New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie – who has emerged as the early establishment “Republican” favorite for the 2016 GOP presidential nomination – signed a bill into law this week prohibiting therapists from trying to “convert” homosexual minors into heterosexuals.
New Jersey is the only state in the nation with such a ban currently in effect, according to The Wall Street Journal.
“California passed similar legislation, but it’s being challenged legally,” reporter Heather Haddon notes.
So-called “conversion therapy” will still be available to individuals over the age of eighteen, but the law is designed to prohibit parents (or other guardians) from enrolling minors in such “treatment” against their will.
We have no real problem with this legislation, because we believe everyone should be free to do pretty much as they please in their personal lives. Inasmuch as romantic feelings and desires for others are reciprocated, Americans ought to be able to choose whom they wish to be with – as well as the number, nature and duration of these associations.
Assuming they’re over the age of consent …
However, it is curious that government would move to block “heterosexual indoctrination” while at the same time requiring incoming college freshmen at taxpayer-subsidized institutions of higher learning to read books like this.
That strikes us as a bit hypocritical …
Discrimination and indoctrination are wrong no matter who is pushing the agenda – closed-minded bigots or politically correct bureaucrats. Which is why we believe the best policy to follow regarding sexual orientation is … no policy at all. Because it’s none of government’s business.
Anyway, it will be interesting to see how Christie’s support for this legislation impacts his favorability in early-voting states like Iowa and South Carolina, which feature large contingents of socially conservative voters.
We suspect it won’t help …
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I have a HUGE problem with this bill/law. WTF does gubmint have any business doing parenting our children. It’s none of their GAWD DAMNED BUSINESS.
It’s a bill to protect people from bigoted and uninformed practices on innocent people. It also keeps people from practicing medieval techniques on children. As a concerned citizen, I’m sure you will agree once you understand.
I do understand. My child. My rules. How would you like a bill/law passed that allows me to proselytize?
So you’re anti abortion? That is certainly a medieval technique practiced on the innocent and helpless.
Medieval techniques…Like Theodoric of York, Medieval barber?
Meanwhile, it’s considered unethical to perform sex change operations of adolescents under 18, but there’s no law against it.
There should be, along with purely cosmetic plastic surgery or any other medically unnecessary surgical procedures.
Because children should not be forced to suffer under their parents’ piss poor parenting. It’s why we take children away from abusers, molesters, and those who neglect them. It’s why we jail parents who believe in faith-based healing and watch as their child dies from an easily treated form of cancer. It is why we prosecute parents who feed their child(ren) into extreme morbid obesity. It is why we confiscate children from homes that are broken down, diseased, infested, and otherwise dangerous.
If a parent subjects their kid to something that has the potential to break down their psychological state so badly that it drives them to suicide, then yes, that something should be illegal. Psychological abuse is still abuse, and children are far less equipped to handle that kind of stuff.
You should read up on what people who undergo gay conversion therapy have to go through. Even adults commit suicide from the kind of pressure that is put on them by some so-called therapists. There’s no way a parent should be allowed to subject their child to that crap.
That being the case and all of you’ve said, Liberals should be jailed permanently in my opinion. No joke. It’s gone too far.
I have a HUGE problem with this bill/law. WTF does gubmint have any business doing parenting our children. It’s none of their GAWD DAMNED BUSINESS.
It’s a bill to protect people from bigoted and uninformed practices on innocent people. It also keeps people from practicing medieval techniques on children. As a concerned citizen, I’m sure you will agree once you understand.
I do understand. My child. My rules. How would you like a bill/law passed that allows me to proselytize?
So you’re anti abortion? That is certainly a medieval technique practiced on the innocent and helpless.
Meanwhile, it’s considered unethical to perform sex change operations of adolescents under 18, but there’s no law against it.
There should be, along with purely cosmetic plastic surgery or any other medically unnecessary surgical procedures.
Wow. Not being disrespectful of Utah, but I thought they were the only ones who still tried this lame excuse for a bigoted stance on gays. There should be a national ban on this “method.” It reminds me of the lobotomy fads of treatment in the 1930’s. Christie is very far-sighted and reflects the attitude of most considerate and sane people.
Wow. Not being disrespectful of Utah, but I thought they were the only ones who still tried this lame excuse for a bigoted stance on gays. There should be a national ban on this “method.” It reminds me of the lobotomy fads of treatment in the 1930’s. Christie is very far-sighted and reflects the attitude of most considerate and sane people.
A gay kid is going to be a gay adult. You can’t pray the gays away.
I don’t believe it. I still think it’s a choice. Not mine to make, but a choice none the less.
What are you, like eighty, or some shit?
Frank, I’m assuming you are hetero (like TBG)… Do you remember when you “chose” to be that way?
Didn’t think so.
Me neither.
Negative. I know too many that have made the choice. Back and forth. I lived in Frisco for a year. First place I got my butt whooped for calling a homo a fag. Polk street is old stomping grounds for me.
You ask the same shrink that says homo is genetic and he’ll also tell you that for hetero’s it’s any wet whole in storm.
TBG figures that there are two factors at work here. One goes from having a preference that can be represented as extremely “homo”, at one extreme, to being extremely “hetero”, at the other. The other is sex drive, which can run from nonexistent to what appears to be an actual physical need. Where these two lines intersect determines a great deal about a person.
Someone with a high sex drive but without an extreme hetero preference (maybe up to 80%),may very well utilize the “any port in a storm” philosophy in extreme circumstances (prison, Ancient Greece etc…)
I figure that many of the gays that have come out and lead the “extravagantly gay lifestyle”, have extremely high sex drives as well as an extreme “homo preference”. Without the strong sex drive, many “middle of the road” to “pretty much gay” (sexuality) types choose to lead a heterosexual lifestyle.
I don’t think there is any choice where you as an individual fit in in this diagram. I do think that people with low to moderate sex drives and preferences can choose their lifestyle. But I don’t think those on the extreme have much choice.
I say this with humility and kindness (all that I can muster on a 14 hour day), a preference is a choice. If it’s genetic it’s not a preference, its mandatory.
Hmm? :-K EDIT: That’s supposed to be rubbing my chin thinking.
A gay kid is going to be a gay adult. You can’t pray the gays away.
I don’t believe it. I still think it’s a choice. Not mine to make, but a choice none the less.
What are you, like eighty, or some shit?
Gay conversion therapy has driven many people to suicide over something that they never asked for, and in some cases, never wanted. Teenagers are more likely to be emotionally unstable, not to mention are most likely just starting to come to grips with their sexual preferences and are having to sort them out against what their parents, their classmates, and society in general, thinks about those preferences. The last thing they need is a (usually religious) nutjob forcing extreme amounts of guilt and shame down their throats in a vain attempt to “convert” them.
Gay conversion therapy has driven many people to suicide over something that they never asked for, and in some cases, never wanted. Teenagers are more likely to be emotionally unstable, not to mention are most likely just starting to come to grips with their sexual preferences and are having to sort them out against what their parents, their classmates, and society in general, thinks about those preferences. The last thing they need is a (usually religious) nutjob forcing extreme amounts of guilt and shame down their throats in a vain attempt to “convert” them.
Christie drops turds as big as Obama.
Christie has working brain cells……thrilled to know that. Since he’s running for office I was afraid he would trade his two dangly things for tea bags.
Who wouldn’t pay $10 to punch this fat bastard in the stomach?
There’s nothing wrong in trying. If the therapy doesn’t work at least you know that this is the way the child is and not just some crazy notion that festered into something that isn’t. Children are impressionable and mimic things that they see and hear. Today they are bombarded with gayness. It’s easy for them to get the wrong idea even about themselves. Government on all levels needs to stay out of the lives of its people!!!