11% of people in the poll don’t think he’s guilty?! Damn! I bet you people don’t think he stole from his law firm either, do you? Amazing to me. All it takes is a couple of rabbit trails and some criticisms of the investigation to sway you?
None of that information changes the fact that Alex lied numerous times about being at the scene of the murders….5 minutes before they occurred. (And, he some how miraculously escaped the “real murderer(s)” and didn’t hear 7 gunshots on his property….at 9pm). None of that changes the fact that he attempted to bribe two witnesses as to his conduct on the night of the murders. None of that changes the fact that he lied about why Maggie came to the house that evening. And, none of that changes the fact that Paul’s AR .300 blackout rifle cannot be accounted for. You folks are a defense team’s dream. Gullible and simpleminded.
Mary Jean Rackley Top fanFebruary 16, 2023 at 1:47 pm
Why wasn’t it stated that the second shot to Paul could have come from the shooter having taken a knee and thus creating what would have been the somewhat odd angle had the killer been standing or stooped over?
precisely. why the prosecution allowed Dick to leave the jury with the lasting impression of an old, feeble, weak man holding a shotgun awkwardly and in a rather impossible position to shoot a shotgun, is beyond me.
Just listened to call from the rehab between special agent and Alex and his attorneys. I find it interesting that Eddie would shoot Alex without an exchange of money or that Eddie would.agree to shoot a client that he makes substantial money off of.NOT UNLESS that substantial money WASN’T for.pills but for murder for.hire payment. I.wish Agent Kelly would have asked how.many pills were purchased for that high amount! AND the ditch digging on the Redbeard property!?
Also interesting, if Alex had such a bad drug habit and was in withdrawals, why would he ask.Eddie to bring him some pills…certainly would have helped the injury. Alex was administratored fentynol and Zofran in the helicopter ride. That would explain the the positive test at hospital. But negative for amphetamines? Hmm. Plausible Eddie didn’t refuse Alex request to shoot him out of self preservation since by this point Alex CLEARLY knew he was the ONLY suspect/person of interest in the double homicide and I strongly believe Eddie was was implicated in this ambush. I think Alex killed Maggie and Eddie shot Paul.
william foster Top fanFebruary 16, 2023 at 5:02 pm
The State really needs to call a DEA agent to explain to the jury just how much Oxy $40,000 to $50,000 per week actually is, that’s absurd, it would show to the jury that Murdaugh was STILL lying, even after he’d “came clean” about the roadside shooting (after being caught and confronted with the evidence), and while in rehab and no longer in the “bad, bad place.” That means Murdaugh is still lying about what happened.
All these kneeling shooter theories…. Ever thought maybe that he was shooting from the hip? Yeah, I know I’m shooting from the hip here, but the angles work out and shotguns don’t have to be fired from the shoulder at the range we’re talking about. In fact, that might explain his sloppy marksmanship.
The second shot was not from a “kneeling” person. There are no defensive wounds on Paul (arm raised in defense) because the person holding the gun, in the shed, is known to him so he has nothing to fear from the person holding a gun near him. The shooter then attempts to shoot Paul, once in the chest straight at the heart, to kill him in one shot. Paul slightly turns away when the shooter suddenly raised the gun directly at him and the shot rings out. It does not hit Paul straight on and into his heart, as the shooter intended, because he made a slight turn away a millisecond before the trigger is pulled. Paul doesn’t die and staggers forward “towards the door” where the shooter is standing (slightly inside the shed to hide the first shot from Maggie). The shooter never anticipates that Paul doesn’t drop and is shocked to actually see Paul staggering/walking towards him near the door. The shooter has to back up as Paul is quickly staggering towards him. While unexpectedly and quickly backing up, the shooter trips over the door sill and falls to the ground, thus requiring a 2nd shot to kill Paul and that shot now comes from a lower angle near the ground as the shooter has fallen down. This slight delay gives Maggie additional time to run away from the scene she just witnessed but not far enough away for the shooter to stand up, spin the rifle around from his backstrap, and shoot a rifle shot into Maggie’s leg and thus stopping her escape. The shooter now advances toward Maggie to kill her, Eventually, she is fatally shot in the head and drops dead. Not stopping there, the shooter fires one more headshot into an already dead woman. This 2nd headshot is the “rage shot”. The shooter who kills Maggies has to have a “rage” inside to shoot her unnecessarily a second time in the head. So Paul knows the shooter and the shooter has rage, inside them, against Maggie. Now we just have to find someone that fits that description!!
what do you mean the shot wasn’t from a kneeling position? the shot to the shoulder was the one that could have been from a kneeling position, which is the most likely position in order to get the angle trajectory and to shoot someone by surprise. I think you confused which shot was which. The first shot was to the shoulder, and kneeling behind the door frame to shoot someone by surprise would have been consistent with no defensive wounds in terms of raising arms and such.
If Maggie was running AWAY, then explain why her body was found head down in Paul’s direction. Scroll down halfway in the Fox link at the end of this below and you’ll see the map of positions of the bodies. Maggie’s body is literally around the corner with her head facing Paul’s direction, so she is headed TOWARD Paul, she is NOT running away. And c’mon, the short time between shootings–how in the world did AM do all this by himself, dual armed with two different types of heavy guns that take a lot of muscle to shoot, yet at point blank with no blood splatter, no fingerprints on any casings. Remember, Maggie had DNA under her fingernails from someone else. I highly doubt she was having an affair. And there was a set of tire tracks that did not match any family cars. It was sleeting that night and a gazillion number of officers and family members etc were walking all over the place, ruining the possibility of footprint recovery. And explain the tire track on Maggie’s body that was mentioned during the trial? And Alex’s defense has done a tremendous job of opening holes in the prosecution case, especially in gaining admissions that several key points of purported evidence needed for the murder indictments in reality did not exist. And the Court reversal of the roadside shooting of Alex opens the door to force Eddie/Curtis to testify which opens up the possible scenario below.
Alex is a 6’2 guy. IS IT POSSIBLE the shooter who shot Paul was a really short guy, and IS IT POSSIBLE what happened is a couple of bad guys shot Maggie first–not fatally–but the shot thru the kidney as described in the testimony–and then shot Paul– and then forced Alex to deliver the final blow to Maggie’s head, forcing him to do this by threatening to shoot him or his son Buster and extended family or something along those lines, and being the narcissistic weak sack of shi* he is, Alex weakly obliged, hysterical but in shock. IS IT POSSIBLE that after the murders of Paul and Maggie occurred Curtis/Eddie–who was NOT at present, according to LE, at the murders of Paul and Maggie, was later instructed by whoever really was directing all of this (someone who was blackmailing and punishing Alex, likely for failure to deliver even more money to whatever they were blackmailing him over) to finish Alex off. If this scenario has any merit, I could see a situation where Curtis/Eddie, due to his long friendship with Alex told Alex he was ordered to kill him and the two of them came up with the roadside shooting-which would explain why Eddie wasn’t paid anything. And, Eddie/Curtis simply missed–possibly on purpose because if Curtis had NOT missed he would be solely blamed for not only Alex’s death but those of Maggie and Paul as well, or possibly simply because he missed. And the reason this is plausible is because both Curtis and Alex’s DNA are on the knife used to slash the tire, and why Alex came up with the cockamamie story that he gave Eddie the gun that has never been found and why Eddie floated the false rumor that Maggie was having an affair with the groundskeeper.
There is no possible way Alex was spending $50k to $60k a week on oxycontin. In order for him to being spending that kind of money on oxy, he would have to be taking multiple pills of the most expensive street pill (80mg or 160mg) cannot ingest that level of oxy without it being fatal, even if your body develops tachyphylaxis (resistance to the effects of drugs, with more of the drug needed to achieve same buzz.) Even for a patient who has developed tachy that amount of ingesting would be fatal. Further, Alex shaved all his body hair off shortly arriving after jail because someone likely informed him that his hair might be sampled and that oxy has an extremely short half life (6 to 18 hours and is out of your blood within 2-3days) but lives in the hair a long time, for 90 days. In other words, your hair tells the truth about how long you have been on oxy, whereas popping a few pills immediately before rehab simply gets you a blood test showing positive on entrance to rehab. When an addicted person wants to use these to get “high” they compromise the delivery system (e.g. crush to snort, put in solution to inject, etc.). It is for this reason that the manufacturers are now required to make tamper-resistant pills for all new opioid medications to try and decrease and hopefully eliminate their abuse. An example of how much more valuable the immediate release is to the afflicted, OxyContin 80 milligram (mg) street price prior to January, 2010, was from $50 to $80 per tablet. In January, 2010, the pill was reformulated to turn to paste when crushed, foiling attempts to crush and snort or inject. Because of this the street value has dropped to $20 to $30 per pill from $80. Immediate release Roxicodone has supplanted OxyContin as the preferred drug for addicts and a 30 mg pill of Roxicodone goes for the same price as an 80 mg OxyContin. Alex’s attorneys are counting on the fact most jurors know nothing about pricing for street drugs. Therefore, you can do the math, it’s simply not possible to get to $50k-60k a week for pills sliding down Alex’s throat, as was mentioned in the testimony so far. And to add one more comment–oxy addicts at the level suggested start showing discoloration of skin and lips–to a bluish gray. They clinch their fists and mouths etc. Then-fat-slob Alex instead had rosy red cheeks and didn’t look like he was clenching his fists in the SLED interviews.
There is every possible way Alex was involved in organized crime or his version of it and the deaths of Maggie and Paul were a signal to ALL involved in that ruckus to play ball. Eddie digging ditches? And you are in back country where victims are fed to alligators. And after this trial is over and Alex is locked away for at least the financial crimes, then life over in that part of our vast country is going to be back to crime as usual if I am guessing correctly.
I think Alex Murdaugh is a scumbag. He might have pushed his housekeeper down the stairs. But did he pull the triggers against his wife and son? I do not see how prosecution can get to a murder conviction of him based on the evidence presented I have watched and read so far.
Check out Behavioral Panel on YouTube regarding Murdaugh’s first police interview that night at the crime scene. If I were on the jury all it would take was that he repeatedly lied about being at the kennel at the time the murders were committed.
Our of curiosity, do we know what Randolph Mutdaugh’s will said? If I’ve listened to all these pieces correctly, Alex was counting on money from his father. However, he didn’t really feel the need to visit. Meanwhile, Paul regularly visited his grandfather. Maybe Paul became the heir for that branch of the family? Did something change if Paul died before Randolph?
It’s all about money with this guy. It feels like there has to be a mattress full of cash somewhere.
So agree with the above narrative. I had already come to believe that it was drug related and two people or just one at the scene threatening to kill Murdaugh’s son Buster if this son and wife weren’t killed.
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11% of people in the poll don’t think he’s guilty?! Damn! I bet you people don’t think he stole from his law firm either, do you? Amazing to me. All it takes is a couple of rabbit trails and some criticisms of the investigation to sway you?
None of that information changes the fact that Alex lied numerous times about being at the scene of the murders….5 minutes before they occurred. (And, he some how miraculously escaped the “real murderer(s)” and didn’t hear 7 gunshots on his property….at 9pm). None of that changes the fact that he attempted to bribe two witnesses as to his conduct on the night of the murders. None of that changes the fact that he lied about why Maggie came to the house that evening. And, none of that changes the fact that Paul’s AR .300 blackout rifle cannot be accounted for. You folks are a defense team’s dream. Gullible and simpleminded.
$50,000 per week? $50,000/$50 per pill (overestimate)=1000 pills. 1000/7 days or 1 week= 142.8 pills per day? Impossible. Someone better dig deeper.
I voted not guilty just to skew the poll and get a rise out of you.
Bastards!! ;)
The real killer was a hobbit.
I can’t think of two more disgusting human beings than the ones who sent in the above posts.
Why wasn’t it stated that the second shot to Paul could have come from the shooter having taken a knee and thus creating what would have been the somewhat odd angle had the killer been standing or stooped over?
precisely. why the prosecution allowed Dick to leave the jury with the lasting impression of an old, feeble, weak man holding a shotgun awkwardly and in a rather impossible position to shoot a shotgun, is beyond me.
Shooter was likely in a kneeling position for the second shot at Paul. Not in an awkward position
I’m SMH trying to understand why that was not brought up? The shooter took a knee for balance/stability to get off the second shot at close range.
Just listened to call from the rehab between special agent and Alex and his attorneys. I find it interesting that Eddie would shoot Alex without an exchange of money or that Eddie would.agree to shoot a client that he makes substantial money off of.NOT UNLESS that substantial money WASN’T for.pills but for murder for.hire payment. I.wish Agent Kelly would have asked how.many pills were purchased for that high amount! AND the ditch digging on the Redbeard property!?
Also interesting, if Alex had such a bad drug habit and was in withdrawals, why would he ask.Eddie to bring him some pills…certainly would have helped the injury. Alex was administratored fentynol and Zofran in the helicopter ride. That would explain the the positive test at hospital. But negative for amphetamines? Hmm. Plausible Eddie didn’t refuse Alex request to shoot him out of self preservation since by this point Alex CLEARLY knew he was the ONLY suspect/person of interest in the double homicide and I strongly believe Eddie was was implicated in this ambush. I think Alex killed Maggie and Eddie shot Paul.
Eddie was cleared by police in not being present during the crime.
The State really needs to call a DEA agent to explain to the jury just how much Oxy $40,000 to $50,000 per week actually is, that’s absurd, it would show to the jury that Murdaugh was STILL lying, even after he’d “came clean” about the roadside shooting (after being caught and confronted with the evidence), and while in rehab and no longer in the “bad, bad place.” That means Murdaugh is still lying about what happened.
All these kneeling shooter theories…. Ever thought maybe that he was shooting from the hip? Yeah, I know I’m shooting from the hip here, but the angles work out and shotguns don’t have to be fired from the shoulder at the range we’re talking about. In fact, that might explain his sloppy marksmanship.
The second shot was not from a “kneeling” person. There are no defensive wounds on Paul (arm raised in defense) because the person holding the gun, in the shed, is known to him so he has nothing to fear from the person holding a gun near him. The shooter then attempts to shoot Paul, once in the chest straight at the heart, to kill him in one shot. Paul slightly turns away when the shooter suddenly raised the gun directly at him and the shot rings out. It does not hit Paul straight on and into his heart, as the shooter intended, because he made a slight turn away a millisecond before the trigger is pulled. Paul doesn’t die and staggers forward “towards the door” where the shooter is standing (slightly inside the shed to hide the first shot from Maggie). The shooter never anticipates that Paul doesn’t drop and is shocked to actually see Paul staggering/walking towards him near the door. The shooter has to back up as Paul is quickly staggering towards him. While unexpectedly and quickly backing up, the shooter trips over the door sill and falls to the ground, thus requiring a 2nd shot to kill Paul and that shot now comes from a lower angle near the ground as the shooter has fallen down. This slight delay gives Maggie additional time to run away from the scene she just witnessed but not far enough away for the shooter to stand up, spin the rifle around from his backstrap, and shoot a rifle shot into Maggie’s leg and thus stopping her escape. The shooter now advances toward Maggie to kill her, Eventually, she is fatally shot in the head and drops dead. Not stopping there, the shooter fires one more headshot into an already dead woman. This 2nd headshot is the “rage shot”. The shooter who kills Maggies has to have a “rage” inside to shoot her unnecessarily a second time in the head. So Paul knows the shooter and the shooter has rage, inside them, against Maggie. Now we just have to find someone that fits that description!!
what do you mean the shot wasn’t from a kneeling position? the shot to the shoulder was the one that could have been from a kneeling position, which is the most likely position in order to get the angle trajectory and to shoot someone by surprise. I think you confused which shot was which. The first shot was to the shoulder, and kneeling behind the door frame to shoot someone by surprise would have been consistent with no defensive wounds in terms of raising arms and such.
If Maggie was running AWAY, then explain why her body was found head down in Paul’s direction. Scroll down halfway in the Fox link at the end of this below and you’ll see the map of positions of the bodies. Maggie’s body is literally around the corner with her head facing Paul’s direction, so she is headed TOWARD Paul, she is NOT running away. And c’mon, the short time between shootings–how in the world did AM do all this by himself, dual armed with two different types of heavy guns that take a lot of muscle to shoot, yet at point blank with no blood splatter, no fingerprints on any casings. Remember, Maggie had DNA under her fingernails from someone else. I highly doubt she was having an affair. And there was a set of tire tracks that did not match any family cars. It was sleeting that night and a gazillion number of officers and family members etc were walking all over the place, ruining the possibility of footprint recovery. And explain the tire track on Maggie’s body that was mentioned during the trial? And Alex’s defense has done a tremendous job of opening holes in the prosecution case, especially in gaining admissions that several key points of purported evidence needed for the murder indictments in reality did not exist. And the Court reversal of the roadside shooting of Alex opens the door to force Eddie/Curtis to testify which opens up the possible scenario below.
Alex is a 6’2 guy. IS IT POSSIBLE the shooter who shot Paul was a really short guy, and IS IT POSSIBLE what happened is a couple of bad guys shot Maggie first–not fatally–but the shot thru the kidney as described in the testimony–and then shot Paul– and then forced Alex to deliver the final blow to Maggie’s head, forcing him to do this by threatening to shoot him or his son Buster and extended family or something along those lines, and being the narcissistic weak sack of shi* he is, Alex weakly obliged, hysterical but in shock. IS IT POSSIBLE that after the murders of Paul and Maggie occurred Curtis/Eddie–who was NOT at present, according to LE, at the murders of Paul and Maggie, was later instructed by whoever really was directing all of this (someone who was blackmailing and punishing Alex, likely for failure to deliver even more money to whatever they were blackmailing him over) to finish Alex off. If this scenario has any merit, I could see a situation where Curtis/Eddie, due to his long friendship with Alex told Alex he was ordered to kill him and the two of them came up with the roadside shooting-which would explain why Eddie wasn’t paid anything. And, Eddie/Curtis simply missed–possibly on purpose because if Curtis had NOT missed he would be solely blamed for not only Alex’s death but those of Maggie and Paul as well, or possibly simply because he missed. And the reason this is plausible is because both Curtis and Alex’s DNA are on the knife used to slash the tire, and why Alex came up with the cockamamie story that he gave Eddie the gun that has never been found and why Eddie floated the false rumor that Maggie was having an affair with the groundskeeper.
There is no possible way Alex was spending $50k to $60k a week on oxycontin. In order for him to being spending that kind of money on oxy, he would have to be taking multiple pills of the most expensive street pill (80mg or 160mg) cannot ingest that level of oxy without it being fatal, even if your body develops tachyphylaxis (resistance to the effects of drugs, with more of the drug needed to achieve same buzz.) Even for a patient who has developed tachy that amount of ingesting would be fatal. Further, Alex shaved all his body hair off shortly arriving after jail because someone likely informed him that his hair might be sampled and that oxy has an extremely short half life (6 to 18 hours and is out of your blood within 2-3days) but lives in the hair a long time, for 90 days. In other words, your hair tells the truth about how long you have been on oxy, whereas popping a few pills immediately before rehab simply gets you a blood test showing positive on entrance to rehab. When an addicted person wants to use these to get “high” they compromise the delivery system (e.g. crush to snort, put in solution to inject, etc.). It is for this reason that the manufacturers are now required to make tamper-resistant pills for all new opioid medications to try and decrease and hopefully eliminate their abuse. An example of how much more valuable the immediate release is to the afflicted, OxyContin 80 milligram (mg) street price prior to January, 2010, was from $50 to $80 per tablet. In January, 2010, the pill was reformulated to turn to paste when crushed, foiling attempts to crush and snort or inject. Because of this the street value has dropped to $20 to $30 per pill from $80. Immediate release Roxicodone has supplanted OxyContin as the preferred drug for addicts and a 30 mg pill of Roxicodone goes for the same price as an 80 mg OxyContin. Alex’s attorneys are counting on the fact most jurors know nothing about pricing for street drugs. Therefore, you can do the math, it’s simply not possible to get to $50k-60k a week for pills sliding down Alex’s throat, as was mentioned in the testimony so far. And to add one more comment–oxy addicts at the level suggested start showing discoloration of skin and lips–to a bluish gray. They clinch their fists and mouths etc. Then-fat-slob Alex instead had rosy red cheeks and didn’t look like he was clenching his fists in the SLED interviews.
There is every possible way Alex was involved in organized crime or his version of it and the deaths of Maggie and Paul were a signal to ALL involved in that ruckus to play ball. Eddie digging ditches? And you are in back country where victims are fed to alligators. And after this trial is over and Alex is locked away for at least the financial crimes, then life over in that part of our vast country is going to be back to crime as usual if I am guessing correctly.
I think Alex Murdaugh is a scumbag. He might have pushed his housekeeper down the stairs. But did he pull the triggers against his wife and son? I do not see how prosecution can get to a murder conviction of him based on the evidence presented I have watched and read so far.
Check out Behavioral Panel on YouTube regarding Murdaugh’s first police interview that night at the crime scene. If I were on the jury all it would take was that he repeatedly lied about being at the kennel at the time the murders were committed.
Our of curiosity, do we know what Randolph Mutdaugh’s will said? If I’ve listened to all these pieces correctly, Alex was counting on money from his father. However, he didn’t really feel the need to visit. Meanwhile, Paul regularly visited his grandfather. Maybe Paul became the heir for that branch of the family? Did something change if Paul died before Randolph?
It’s all about money with this guy. It feels like there has to be a mattress full of cash somewhere.
So agree with the above narrative. I had already come to believe that it was drug related and two people or just one at the scene threatening to kill Murdaugh’s son Buster if this son and wife weren’t killed.