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The Second Amendment affords all Americans the right to carry guns in public – whether the government says they can or not. Which is why we urge civil disobedience of any law infringing upon that right.
Similarly, though, government has no right to force private establishments to allow guns if they choose not to …
The free market should (and does) drive that process … just like it gives private citizens the right to unload on individuals who unlawfully trespass on their private property.
Of course we would urge private businesses looking to exercise their right to keep guns out of their premises to avoid the example of “Pete,” the owner of Backstreets Pub and Deli in Clemson, S.C.
Apparently Pete was “frustrated” when he posted a “No Guns Allowed” sign to the window of his tavern … and got a little carried away.
Take a look …
Hmmmm …
“It just came out wrong because I was frustrated,” Pete told The Washington Times.
(Hmmmm … that’s almost a Michael Scott situation, but not quite).
Again, barring concealed weapons on his property is Pete’s right. And in exercising his right he’s also got a First Amendment right to call carriers of concealed weapons “losers” and “douchebags.”
Or worse, if he chooses …
But at the end of the day Pete is also accountable to the marketplace of ideas – as well as the actual marketplace that determines how long his pub stays open.
And on both of those counts, we find Pete to be a …
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I agree with Pete. I really think that now, all of the thugs and other mofos will definitely disarm before frequenting Pete’s establishment. Way to go, Pete!
The rest of the CWP holders, they’ll definitely stay away now.
So, how many CWP holders are there per 100,000 people in Clemson?
There isn’t a 100,000 people in Clemson unless it’s ESPN Gameday.
Typical Republican dodge.
This seems like a bar that lacks self-awareness. Clemson isn’t exactly known for it’s anti-gun, liberal base.
Here’s hoping Pete sees such a decline in douchebags patronizing his establishment, he gets to post an “out of business” sign on his door in the near future.
It’s his right as a business owner, or don’t you believe in that?
It is also my right to hope the decline in “douchebags” patronizing his establishment (as he apparently wishes) drops to the point that he has to shutter the place.
If there are that many douchebags in that area, maybe he’s in the wrong business. He should be selling flavored douche.
By all means it’s his right, however he just offended a hell of a lot of people.
So, you agree that it’s a business owner’s right to refuse service to anyone they see fit, for any reason including not serving blacks, homosexuals, Jews, Muslims, Christians, Wiccan’s, Democrats, Republicans, etc. Because you can’t have it both ways, it’s either his business or it belongs to the “collective society”.
Bless your heart. You know that’s not what I posted.
Right to refuse service is right to refuse service. If you can refuse service for any reason you should be able to refuse it for all reasons. Poor you, you can’t help it you were born with out a brain in your head. Bless your heart.
You should know that liberals only want to exclude people that they disagree with. Now, if it were a Republican Jew with a firearm, that’s unacceptable!
Guns are exactly like skin color and sexual preference.. almost. Well not at all, but I see where you’re coming from.
Right to refuse service is right to refuse for any reason. I don’t take issue with any reason though it’s bad business in just about all cases.
Right to refuse service is right to refuse for any reason. I don’t take issue with any reason though it’s bad business in just about all cases.
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you mean the civil rights laws didn’t help black people get better housing, equal wage, equal pricing, to sit wherever they wanted on the bus and all that mierda?
SOMEBODY had to sit in the back of the bus, otherwise the rear wheels would never touch the pavement.
I think they should have made Republicans sit in the back of the bus – the extra tonnage would have increased friction on the back tires and saved gas.
Oh, fat jokes, brilliant – the illogical gun-hating leftist’s last refuge (since y’all never have any actual arguments).
Oh, fat jokes, brilliant
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I knew you didn’t *really* think I was an idiot. All it takes is some Republican humor and I’m in like Flynt.
Well, no they’re not – they’re a much MORE strongly protected class (we gun owners are) – we have a constitutional RIGHT to BEAR arms…. do people with varying sexual preferences have such a right, euwe max? You see, there’s a distinction, all right, and excluding gun owners is far more violative of the spirit of the constitution/ law, if not the letter. Quite the opposite of what you thought and implied.
Well, no they’re not – they’re a much MORE strongly protected class (we gun owners are)
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I know, right? You should be, too – I heard about the popcorn attack on that veteran police officer in the theater. If he hadn’t been armed, he would have had to call the manager! As it was, he was able to kill the attacker before he grabbed his coke.
Republican Jew
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Safety dude. Guns kill people when people are drunk.
Carrying concealed weapons into bars and restaurants is legal or not regulated in 25 out of 50 (or all 57 according to Obama) states. Where are all the drunken bloodbaths you scared of your own shadow liberals keep referring to?
I… I.. I don’t know.
Exactly, they don’t exist. This premise is red herring.
Maybe they’re like terrorists, they’re waiting us out.
Reaching.
Can’t it be like porn, and pot? Where there’s always a calamity right around the corner ready to befall us for allowing such a crazy thing?
I know.. instead, I’ll concentrate of hop heads staggering around with CWPs in head shops.
wait.. .wait… it’s coming to me now… some guy shot the screen at a movie theater cause he was drunk! *there*! see?
are the cwps drinking?
Carrying concealed weapons into bars and restaurants is legal or not regulated in 25 out of 50 states
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That must mean it’s rational, then.
Of course it’s rational. It lowers violent crime. Dramatically. This is been PROVEN, unequivocally, beyond a shadow of a doubt, but multi-decade, 3000-county, peer-reviewed, multiple-regression analzyed, social SCIENCE, by the distinguished professor John Lott, of the U. of Chicago.
That does it for me, then. I’m gonna starting drinking hard tomorrow!
We shouldn’t have liquidated our nerve gas – it could have served as a deterrent.
I hear you saying that more guns means less killing. So if a dumbass opens the door in a theater during the screening of batman, and in the dark, opens fire with an M-16 at the front row, and starts sweeping upwards, the fact that everyone is armed wouid overcome his drug-addled mind?
Or would everyone start shooting towards the front when they saw the muzzle flashes?
Never mind. I’ll buy an M-16 and start sneaking it into theaters. Trust me, I’m sane. I’ve just been convinced there should be no gun-free zones, and I’ll kill anyone who contradicts me on that.
It’s not a safety issue, you can’t drink when carrying on your CWP. Rob me signs just alert the criminal class where unarmed victims are located for easy access.
you can’t drink when carrying on your CWP
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but Jay just made me look like a fool… asking where the blood bath is… why didn’t you help me out there?
…and doesn’t the ‘C’ stand for ‘concealed’? how do you know you’re serving a CWP?
Jeesus you’re retarded. Of course they don’t know. It’s not illegal to SERVE someone. It’s illegal to be the actual person who drinks and carries. So we don’t. None of us. Because we are LAW-ABIDING, get it? If we aren’t drinking, why shouldn’t we be allowed to go in and eat a sandwich? Jeez louise, hopolophobes are stupid.
Jeesus you’re retarded. Of course they don’t know. It’s not illegal to SERVE someone. It’s illegal to be the actual person who drinks and carries. So we don’t. None of us.
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and why should I believe you? Because you’re so well-mannered?
Right, which is why it’s ILLEGAL to do so. And we don’t. What’s so hard to understand about that. Alcohol impairs judgment. Carrying a gun does NOT impair judgment.
Alcohol impairs judgment. Carrying a gun does NOT impair judgment.
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Let’s go back to the top, shall we? Should a person with a gun be served at a bar?
If he’s pointing it at me I’m serving him.
If he’s pointing it at you, it isn’t concealed.
TBG believes it is his RIGHT to reserve any individual or group for ANY reason.
Here is a partial list:
Douchebags
Dickweeds
“Obama worshiping Liberal-Tarians”
“Dumb@$$es”
Mexicans
Blacks
Whites
Gays
Straights
The Unsure
Muslims
Fundies
The Handicapped
The non-handicapped
Darwinists
Intelligent designers
Non intelligent designers
Non intelligent “intelligent designers”
Lindsey Graham
Philip Branton
All current and former Citadel Cadets
SPAWAR employees
The Elderly
Those of unclear linneage
Old white bastards, who frequent BOB’s and drink “Ying Ling”
Red blooded ‘Muricans
Those who’s blood runneth Orange
Dirtpeckers
Anyone who refers to himself as “Big” or “Grand”
Drinkers
Teetotalers
Injuns
Rednecks
JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOs
You forgot Native Americans and Jews you bastard. Is that because you are a 1/3 of each?
Hit the button to expand his comment and you will see the third from last is “Injuns” and the last one is “JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOs”.
Damn! I was hoping you wouldn’t give it away!
How do you get in to keep them out?
Lie.
Ah, the universal get around.
I *forgot* to pay my taxes.
Lie.
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To who?
It’s everyone else’s right to hope he goes out of business, or don’t you believe in that?
Not everyone wants him to go out of business. I agree that those who carry should do as they wish and those who are secure enough to not carry should do as they wish as well.
Bless your heart. You know that’s not what I posted.
Bless your heart.
Liberals who coddle terrorists and gangstas, but hate legal gun owners, are a scourge and disgrace to this country. YOU are the freaking problem…But a Clemson Redneck, who does the same, is about as disgusting as you can get.
I agree with Pete. It’s his business and I will frequent it as I’m only frequenting establishments with the signage.
So you’re hanging at a lot of dumps. Getting much business?
She’s probably been murdered – don’t expect an answer. It’s a blood bath out there… what with drunks carrying concealed weapons to protect themselves from imaginary murderers… well, they were imaginary, until the drunks packing heat showed up.
What would make you think that everyone who goes into a bar/restaurant to get food only, is a “drunk”, or even has had a drink, or even drinks at all? In fact, replace everyone with anyone – what would make you think that? Remember, the law PROHIBITS people doing what you are accusing them of (assuming), and CCW holders are law-abiding. So we don’t break the law. I don’t drink, but if a bar is known for good food, I’ll go in there and get me some, as long as it’s not smoky.
What would make you think that everyone who goes into a bar/restaurant to get food only
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You know, I’ve wondered about that whole “license to sell hard liquor” thing – you know anything about that?
Make sure you’re only frequenting establishments that have it properly posted. This jackass is clearly ill-informed. You have to follow federal standards for this sort of policy to stand up in court. This sign, as is, has no power to stop CWP holders from entering this douchebag’s establishment.
I’ve actually handed out the correct signage. What’s your point.
My point is that this fool had it improperly posted and you said you WOULD frequent his establishment. If it’s improperly posted there’s no sense in posting it at all because it’s null and void due to noncompliance. Comprende?
Yes I comprehend. I mail him a compliant sign.
So you’d see the sign, realize his intent, and waltz right in anyway, right?
Actually, Jay, if she cares about her safety, it makes perfect sense that she WOULD go to this place, with improper signage, since law-abiding good guys will be in there, and thus it’s not a true sitting duck killing zone…. It would makes sense to go here, but avoid like the plague the places with the correct signs, since they are the true sitting duck killing zones. However, SCBlueWoman doesn’t use her noggin, so she thinks (correctly) that this place with bad signage will be safe, but thinks (incorrectly) that the other places with good signage are also safe. They may or may not be “safe” generally / big picture, from an “acceptable risk” perspective, but there’s no question that no matter how safe the area, the places with the correctly-made “rob-me please” signs are at least slightly-less safe that those withOUT the correctly-made “rob-me” signs, since mass public shooters ALWAYS intentionally pick sitting duck killing zones to do their murderous business (aka leftist “gun free” zoens). John Lott proved this.
ALWAYS intentionally pick sitting duck killing zones to do their murderous business (aka leftist “gun free” zoens). John Lott proved this.
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Had he heard about the guy shot on the rifle range? Or women and children on the battle field? How about all those people shot on the military base by the contractor? Cops shot in the police station? I’m sure murderers are always cowards where you live, but it seems to me, they’ll choose whatever the fuck venue they want in Texas.
Once, again, you’re a plenary retard. I said “MPSs” – mass public shooting. An ordinary murder, of which there are many, is not an MPS. Learn to read, get it?
Once, again, you’re a plenary retard.
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Don’t hate me because I’m smarter.
I said “MPSs” – mass public shooting. An ordinary murder, of which there are many, is not an MPS. Learn to read, get it?
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sorry, not familiar with the gun nut argot.
Seriously dude, stop drinking – your brain is pickled.
Seriously dude, stop drinking – your brain is pickled.
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I thought that was the whole idea of drinking… maybe I’m not doing it right… I’ll just holster Daisy, jump in old Betsy, and head on out to a bar with bad signage.. I’m not complaining, I’m just sustaining my buzz.
Hopefully your efforts to be murdered by the criminal class will pay off for you, because we know they pay attention to signs. When you get caught in the cross fire of a gang fight I’ll remember not to cry.
I don’t live in fear. Ever. Seems to me many of you do. The one’s toting the guns are in a far more dangerous situation than I.
But that’s the wrong comparison. Sure, we are more dangerous than you (to criminals, not to you or anyone else), but the appropriate comparison is not which is more dangerous generally – we wolves or you sheep – the appropriate comparison is: “which type of patrons are more dangerous to YOU – the average patron in a place WITH a rob-me sign, or the average patron in a place withOUT a rob-me sign?” The answer, John Lott PROVED, with peer-reviewed, triple-regression-analyzed, multi-decade, 3000-county social SCIENCE data, is that the average patron in the places WITH the rob-me sign is more dangerous to YOU, SCBlueWoman. Science PROVED that your “feelings” are incorrect. Get it? Science. Heard of it? MPSs (mass public shootings) ALWAYS occur in places with rob-me signs or in states like IL or NY without shall-issue carry. Always. 100% of the time. Because these gun-free sitting duck killing zones draw these crazies like a moth to a flame (when they do happen, which is rarely, admittedly). But if you have a 0.00005% chance of being a victim of a gunshot wound or other violent crime in a joint WITH a compliant sign, the fact is that ceteris paribus, you’d have a 0.000001% chance of being a crime victim in a place withOUT a rob-me sign. Science proved what we already know/knew intuitively from the fact that ALL MPSs occur in leftist blissninny sitting duck killing zones.
But that’s the wrong comparison. Sure, we are more dangerous than you
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Like a pit bull then. Nice doggie. Unless you’re pissed, or drunk, or punched.
Incorrect. I’m not afraid of much, I have a CWP because it’s good sense to be able to protect yourself, self sufficiency you know. I know y’all liberals don’t understand that, but over on the right side of the line we are all about it.
“An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.” – Robert A. Heinlein
your efforts to be murdered by the criminal class
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Not wearing a gun is an effort to be murdered? Wow… look at the time.
I used to ride around in the early 70’s with a bumper sticker that said “legalize freedom” on it. I eventually was made to understand that I wasn’t being a *good citizen*.
During the Iraq war, someone (I’m not saying who) would collect all the “support our troops” magnetic thingies off all the cars in restaurant parking lots and sticking them to the hummer in that lot.
Going into a bar with a gun saying “fuck you man.. your letters are too small! I’ll have a triple jack black!” seems to be along that same vein.
Yes, but was it a government-approved bumper sticker? Just asking for a friend (Jay)
According to the cops in Lubbock, it was a distraction, and made it less likely I’d get a warning for going 5mph over the limit.
Jesus you’re stupid man. They/ we are NOT drinking, get it? That’s illegal, get it? We’re law-abiding, get it? If we were criminals, we wouldn’t give a flip about this guy’s sign, and would just carry in there anyway. Do you understand the difference between law-abiding and criminals?
Jesus you’re stupid man.
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I heard they invented a cure for that – the tea party!
They/ we are NOT drinking, get it?
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ok… not drinking in a pub. Do you leave your wife in the car, and say “cover me babe, I’m goin’ in!”
Jay sure is a stickler for the law.
Why do you love gubmint regulations so much, Jay?
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Lutz..so you’ll be hanging out in Clemson dive bars?
Hardly.
Where do you hang out? Everyone there packing heat?
That’s your right, to be a complete moron, SCBluewoman. Better you than me sitting in that “gun free” sitting duck killing zone. I guess you haven’t noticed that 100% of the cowards who shoot up places and commit mass public murder choose these sitting duck killing zones for their targets, and 0.00% of them choose places which are NOT leftist-created sitting duck killing zones.
That’s your right, to be a complete moron, SCBluewoman.
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I want to thank you for your public service in showing the downsides of that choice in person.
“Similarly, though, government has no right to force private establishments to allow guns if they choose not to …”
I can agree with that, … up to a point. As with most things, a business owner has the right to ask, eject, or otherwise effect your departure from their establishment for just about any reason or no reason. What the government has wrongly done is to create “force of law” for the idiotic and purposeless “Rob Me” signs. If you are truly carrying concealed and happen to be in an establishment where they prefer unarmed potential victims only, it should be an issue. If they discover you are indeed armed, they can tell you to leave their establishment. Failure to comply at that point is trespassing and applicable laws regarding trespass come into play, as it should be.
The government has no business creating a force of law around Rob Me signs which subjects you to arrest, loss of permit, or worse for refusing to obey the sign. This was totally and completely unneeded. Prior to 1996, before politicians in the SC Legislature created this “issue” out of thin air, the politically connected, rich, and those with a “need” (which did not include self-defense according to Stop Let’s Eat Donuts) for a CWP could carry pretty much anywhere a cop could in SC, as it should have been and as it should be now.
A significant number of people in the world have severe reactions to perfumes and colognes which can be life-threatening. Why is no similar law in place giving signs asking you to refrain from wearing perfume or cologne in certain workplaces, the force of law? Someone walking into such an establishment with a container of perfume or cologne could potentially do far more harm to persons in that establishment than my safely carried gun. If that glass perfume or cologne bottle in your pocket or purse breaks, you could asphyxiate a person or persons in a place. Ditto if it leaks or accidentally sprays.
The whole concept of the “Rob Me” sign is a false issue that has been created and had life breathed into it by anti-gun politicians, pandering to the anti-gun agenda. It needs to go away or at least be reduced to what I read in one state’s law (possibly WV?) which says that before an arrest can be made, you have to have been warned by the proprietor to leave first (possibly in the presence of police?). That would be the same as what is should be, which is using existing trespass laws.
First off, the sign is not compliant with federal code for posting, so it wouldn’t stand up in court if someone decided to “violate” his no guns policy. Secondly, what kind of jackass sits down in front of his Windoz machine and crafts such a half witted message without thinking about the ramifications? This is marketing suicide. It’s going to take a court order for him to get his Yelp profile cleaned up. Pete is the supreme grand ruler douchebag of all douchebags.
The Yelp reviews are hilarious already.
Thanks for the tip, going to read them now. :D
Same. They are epic.
Hilariously embarrassing. Can gun owners spell?
All those tourists visiting Clemson won’t come see him on purpose!
the sign is not compliant with federal code for posting
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I know, right? That right there is an invitation to wear a gun.
What is the pertinent federal statute re gun sign posting? I bet Jay can give us a cite.
He probably carries a ruler with him to the grocery store.
“This Velveeta label is not in compliance with FEDERAL LAW! I demand to see the manager!”
I should get the cheese for free!
“First off, the sign is not compliant with federal code for posting”
Irony is truly dead.
It’s a key talking point!
The “Feds” have nothing to do with it. It’s a state statute – as you posted below.
Way to go, Pete!
Way to go out of business, Pete!
Pete should have posted another sign too:
“Attn: Robbers:
You can rob me with a buck knife because I’m unarmed, just like any law abiding, property rights respecting patron is inside my establishment, because they’ve read my other sign.”
Robbers prefer to go after people with guns — ’cause that’s what they want to take fro you.
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The applicable statute (Section 23-31-235) states:
“(B) All signs must be posted at each entrance into a building where a concealable weapon permit holder is prohibited from carrying a concealable weapon and must be:
(1) clearly visible from outside the building;
(2) eight inches wide by twelve inches tall in size;
(3) contain the words “NO CONCEALABLE WEAPONS ALLOWED” in black one inch tall uppercase type at the bottom of the sign and centered between the lateral edges of the sign;
(4) contain a black silhouette of a handgun inside a circle seven inches in diameter with a diagonal line that runs from the lower left to the upper right at a forty five degree angle from the horizontal;
(5) a diameter of a circle; and
(6) placed not less than forty inches and not more than sixty inches from the bottom of the building’s entrance door.”
Yep, non compliant liberal drivel. Pretty sure the feds frown upon these moronic personal remarks like the one this idiot dolt and other liberal business owners impart on their customers.
It’s ok to have a smoke-free restaurant, but not a gun free saloon.
Of course you can have either one – what make you think that you can’t? Of course, the former is a great idea (very healthy), and the latter is a horrible idea (very very very unhealthy & dangerous, as all “gun-free zones” are) – so while either is “OK” if one wants to create such, don’t be surprised if people criticize and boycott the one that’s unhealthy and dangerous. BTW, the only bars I go to are smoke-free.
Of course you can have either one – what make you think that you can’t?
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I was just asking if it was ok, not if I could.
So, no matter what the obvious intent of the owner, if he fails to dot an “I” you’re going to waltz right in with a FUCK YOU attitude and a gun in the small of your back like you own the place.
Good idea.
Of course. The way the trespass laws work is, if the owner discovers that I’m carrying, contrary to his/her wishes, then he/she can ask me to leave – then it’s only trespassing violation if I then refuse to leave. But I gladly will leave if asked, so I’d never get a trespassing charge. And that’s true whether the “stupid sign”** complies or not. Good luck figuring out that I’m carrying so that you can tell me to cease and desist trespassing. ** The no-guns signs are dubbed “stupid signs” because they serve only to increase crime and make a place more dangerous, and thus, you’d have to be really stupid to put one up.
Of course. The way the trespass laws work is, if the owner discovers that I’m carrying, contrary to his/her wishes, then he/she can ask me to leave – then it’s only trespassing violation if I then refuse to leave. But I gladly will leave if asked, so I’d never get a trespassing charge.
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sort of like sneaking into a KKK meeting, I guess.
I can respect someone not wanting me to carry on their property, as it is their property and therefore their right, but I don’t care much for someone that disrespects me for carrying in general, though.
Have fun going bust, jackass. Just remember, you didn’t want their bidness.
Agreed. All he had to do was post the proper “No Concealed Weapons” sticker on the door and leave out the insults. Nevertheless, it’s ironic that the owner “Pete” has been a CWP holder since 2001. I wonder if he considers himself a douchebag?
I remember some years back, a local district manager with Taco Bell never missed an opportunity to tell the press how even though he was a CWP holder, he didn’t agree with letting good citizens have CWP’s on demand. He apparently got his CWP when you had to be rich, politically connected, or have a “reason” (other than self-defense according to SLED) to get one of those. Because he was a business man, his hide apparently was worth more to him than Joe or Jane average’s hide was to them. It’s good to be the elite, I guess, kind of like Dianne Frankenstiein, who believes she, as a member of the ruling class, should have a gun, but that Joe or Jane average should not.
If you’re black and your pants are falling down while you rap your way to the bus stop, you should be given a gun and a CWP for free just to show we really mean it!
If they’re 21 years of age, not a convicted felon and able to pass the course, they are eligible.
I know.. I was just suggesting waiving the fee.
Funny you should mention that. Recently, there was a “Constitutional Carry” bill on the docket at the State House which would have made SC more like Vermont in that any citizen who could LEGALLY possess a firearm would be able to carry openly or concealed, even without a permit. The premise of its originators and backers was that Constitutionally, you should not have to beg your government’s permission for a right guaranteed in the Bill of Rights. The usual suspects and naysayers were bleating the “blood will flow in the streets” and “it will be the wild West”, horse puckey they always do, but which somehow just doesn’t come to pass, when attempts are made to expand gun rights.
Where were your comments in support of that bill?
um… I… I’m in favor of licensing?
Remember, she exempted Congress from her assault weapons ban!!!
He’s not a CCW holder. He’s a liar. He’s just saying that because it dawned on him that his own idiocy has made him the target of robbery – he doesn’t want robbers to think that NO ONE will be armed in there.
He’s not a CCW holder. He’s a liar.
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Can you document that? If you know any cops, they can check for you, because when they make a routine traffic stop, ownership of a cwp is flagged – (I have no idea why)
Uhhh, no, not in SC anyway. TN DL checks will come back with gun permit status, if any. SC DL checks do not show that data.
I can tell you they do here in Texas… when the cop comes to the window, and asks for your license and registration, if you don’t put the CWP with them – when he returns to the window, he’ll be pissed.
Ok, that may well be in Texas.
Our cops are a bunch of pussies. They’re afraid they’ll get shot or something what with everyone having a gun and what not.
I have seen some unfortunate Youtube videos of some of the Texas LE folk. I’m sure not all of them are that way, but their extreme paranoia in proximity of armed good guys who were not LE was shameful at best.
We got some real winners out here in badass land.
Agreed. I suspect his customers don’t want you in there either though.
you respect his right to express these things, but you still don’t think he should do it? kind of how sane people feel about guns – we respect the rights of people to have them, but its still a bad idea. having a gun is more likely to get you or me killed than not having a gun. thats a simple fact based on actual events in the real world, not on a single anecdote reported and repeated in the idiotsphere.
Funny, I know people whose mileage varies significantly, to include family members, friends, and myself. There have been instances when not having a gun would quite likely have gotten us killed or at a minimum, severely injured.
Showing the bad guy that they had the means to end hostilities in a decisive manner
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um.. isn’t that what the bad guy is supposed to be doing? Zyklon-B?
Corruption, idiotwind is well, an idiot – he/she is a rich leftist who lives in a gated community and never sets foot in crime-ridden areas, and thus has dubbed him/herself and all leftist friends “sane” for not wanting to have a protection tool, and all of us who live in crime-ridden areas “insane” for wanting to have a protection tool…. It’s not hard to understand how blissninny hoplophobotard leftism is created.
an idiot
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All is not lost – he can run for office in the Tea Party.
That sign would keep me out and I don’t have a CWP. Pete, have you checked out yelp as others have mentioned? Your not looking to good.
When I see one of these stupid signs, weather correct or not, I go elsewhere. If they want only criminal’s business they don’t want mine. The douchebag is the person who made the sign.
I can just see a bunch of Bluto Bikers farting their way through the doors, and hunching down in chairs not meant for them so you can see their ass crack… “hey! BEER…. OVER HEER!”… but they took off their guns and left them in their bikes with their colors.
But they have knives and semi-automatic hammers.
Bikers don’t go to random bars, there are specific bars that cater to that demographic. Not sure what point you’re trying to make.
In NYC, they charge 15 bucks for a hamburger on certain streets to keep out the riff raff. Restricting the clientele to no smoking, no guns, may produce an atmosphere that appeals to a certain demographic.
In NYC there’s not much of a choice, it’s a little like Disney World, they got you there they can charge whatever they deem acceptable. How is this catering to a certain demographic? You’re running in circles.
I’m saying this guy might attract people with a subtle difference in their character that says “I’m not afraid to go drinking at the local pub without a gun… especially if no one else there is packing…”
You know, pussies and timid women.
Bikers don’t go to random bars
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Some kind of constitution they promise to obey? A psychological drive connected to two wheel vehicles? A dream you had?
Honestly man, I’m sure you are cracking yourself up. Do some research. They hang out at their cycle club and they likely have some dive bar they frequent. You are talking about gang affiliated bikers right?
Honestly man, I’m sure you are cracking yourself up.
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I’m plenty funny… now you funny too!
I’m talking about a guy who rides a motorcycle wears colors and has a gun.
He gets thirsty – he sees a bar. He goes in.
That man is going to do that regardless of the law. None of the CWP holders I know would ever consider carrying their gun if they’re drinking.
None of the CWP holders I know would ever consider carrying their gun if they’re drinking.
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None of the CWP holders I know, myself included, ever considered going into a posted place with a gun simply because the signage wasn’t strak.
I grew up in Tucumcari, N.M. where the sign “No Trespassing” didn’t have to be spelled correctly to get compliance.
Bully 4 U.
Bully 4 U
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No thanks… I’m a liberal, we don’t believe in that kind of thing… but thanks for offering – it’s probably a sign of friendship in conservative circles.
Not familiar with idioms?
Is that the tea party equivalent of idiots?
See my most recent post, just above.
Most bikers are social people who enjoy the company of their friends and extended family. They do tend to hang with their own clubs or affiliated organizations at selected bars and other venues. There is a biker bar about a mile or two from my house. I am not aware of any problems these guys cause and they may actually contribute to the area being a little quieter in some ways.
Though not a biker myself, and not someone who ordinarily hits the bars, I would feel no fear in entering the establishment if I had some compelling reason to be there.
Most bikers
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agreed.
Actually, the bar I refer to appears to be a 1%’er oriented establishment. The few 1%’ers I have been around or talked to, contrary to media and movie hype, were cordial, respectful people, to me at least.
As I have noted quite a few times before, if I lost my wallet full of cash, I would much rather one of those guys found it than a member of Columbia, Richland, or Lexington city or county councils. My chances of getting it back with everything in it that was there when I lost it would be exponentially better.
I spent time with some outlaw bikers in the early 70’s – Nice enough fellows, but they live on the fucking edge! One guy stayed at the house I was at overnight, and before he got comfortable on the floor with a sleeping bag, he wanted to hit some speed. He didn’t have anything to tie off with so he asked me to hold him off. My hands barely fit around his arm… and then he laid down for the night. He was a felon and liked to fight – really liked to fight. I don’t know if he had a gun or not, but he didn’t look like he needed one!
I was vising a friend around that time. He was a clerk for a motel that hosted poker games and prostitutes… always good for an adventure or two… when the prostitutes were idle one night, he, I and a mutual friend ours went to their room and got into a conversation about what it’s like to be one – I felt sorry for them having to wash off some guys filthy dick… anyway, as I was leaving one night after shooting the shit with the clerk at his desk, I walked by a bar that was beside the motel, and there was a one percenter sitting on the curb. Being basically a dumbass, I asked “you ok?” he looked up kinda sleepy and drunk looking and said “sumbich shot me!” and though it was dark, I could see blood in the gutter… I asked if he wanted me to call an ambulance, and he said the bartender had already called. Talk about a strange night – he was alone on the curb waiting for an ambulance, and no one was out there with him…. I didn’t ask what happened to the guy that shot him.. .maybe he was inside, dead or dying or something…
I didn’t say anything else, but quietly walked away.
I thought *my* life was dangerous.
The younger guys may and probably do get crazy with the drugs and stuff. Most of the guys I have met were older and more grounded in the world. They were quite capable of holding their own in intelligent conversation and had normal type hobbies and interests, much like anyone you might meet next door in suburbia.
One bit of mutual ground I think we shared was an effed up sense of humor. I can always appreciate that in people and I believe they do, too.
Look how butthurt gun owners get when someone calls them a name.
Pete’s right, y’all are a bunch of douchebags. And whiny-ass titty babies.
…and they shoot if they get the worst of a fist-fight. They don’t know how to take an ass whipping, like a *real* man.
Y’all got some issues if you think taking a punch is a good idea. Have you ever heard of traumatic brain injuries? Those can kill you. You throw a punch at me and you signed your death warrant, 2 to the chest 1 to the head permanent dirt nap.
You all Republicans are a bunch of pussies, hiding behind .357’s like little Chihuahuas, bug-eyed and shaking, pissing yourselves.
Ever been hit by a fist from a quarter mile away?
I can throw a punch from a quarter mile away, and you won’t even see my punch coming, because I have a night vision scope on my wrist.
I have the 3 round auto mode kit on my fist, so I can throw 300 punches a minute, and a 30 round punch clip. When I hit you, my fist goes in like a dime and comes out like a cash register.
I can kill a whole room full of little kids with one fist before the cops can even answer the phone!
You’re right to piss your pants if you see me ball up my fists! The graveyards in Iraq are full of Iraqis that underestimated the killing power of marine knuckles.
You’re such a lying poser idiot. You’re about 12, so I kinda doubt you’ve been a Marine.
I didn’t say I was a Marine. Maybe you should take a Rorschach test to see if you’ve got *issues*.
In euwe max’s world, if you are minding your own business and a criminal attacks you out of the blue to rob you, that means you are “getting the worst of a fist fight”, and therefore you shouldn’t protect yourself – you should just take the ass whipping and get robbed. How stupid are you man, seriously? You don’t have a clue what it means to carry. We avoid fist fights like the plague – hell, us law-abiding folks avoid fist fights like the plague anyway, but especially when carrying. YOU think that people go around engaging in fist fights because you’re a criminal. Of course you criminals don’t like good armed citizens carrying. No one in their right mind would get in a fist fight out in public with a stranger…. What you do is avoid, evade, avoid, run, evade, avoid, etc. unless attacked – then if our life is threatened, you bet your ass we can and should and will use deadly force. This euwe character is some guy who likes to go around starting bar fights with strangers, and he just doesn’t like the fact that he cannot do that anymore without endangering his life. The rest of us, we just want to be able to go in and eat a sandwich (while armed legally, peacefully, and concealed), in a bar, while not drinking, without getting attacked by lowlife scum like euwe max.
In euwe max’s world, if you are minding your own business and a criminal attacks you out of the blue to rob you
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It’s probably a banker.
I suck dicks and suck on turds for fun. Would anyone care to join me?
If you were a hot chick I may call you for the “suck dicks” comment. I’m not too interested in the “suck on turds” part.
maybe it’s a metaphor.
Somehow, given your other comments on here, I don’t find this at all difficult to believe.
There are more holes in this story than AK 47 rounds through swiss cheese. The government absolutely can place limits on second amendment rights. Secondly, the private marketplace is not the arbiter of what’s fair and good in this world. If that were the case, Woolworth’s lunch counters back in the 1960s would never have had to change. Lastly, we must get away from this emerging narrative by the arms lobby (NRA) that states all CWP holders everywhere in America are fully trained, calm, relaxed, right thinking, 100% accurate shots, have IQs above 200, can leap tall buildings in a single bound, rose Lazarus from the dead, and of course would never, ever, ever make any mistakes whatsoever…unless you’re a dead guy in a Florida movie theater…or a black youth enjoying some skittles and iced tea, or the grand daughter of a judge in a local SC Sam’s club, or more black youths listenting to loud music at a gas station….
I’m just *waiting* for a Republican to listen to some Christian pop crap at the drive-in so I can blow his ass away.
Again, you’re a criminal…. Criminals commit crimes. Shooting someone unjustifiably is a crime… But we’d expect that from you, a criminal. Which is why you, a criminal, oppose laws that allow good people to shoot back. Why should anyone care what you, a criminal, think about this issue?
Again, you’re a criminal
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Again? I’ve paid my debt to society! Besides, she said she was 14!
Just seems to me that waddling, blustering fools with a cubicle job by day want to “protect the little lady” and “show that bully with the tattoos who’s boss” by night.
I’m white and I blast rap nice and loud whenever I can around scared white folks. The 90’s gangsta rap too. The good stuff. You should see their faces…priceless.
Eat the rich.
Nancy Wilson (of Heart) and Hilary Duff are kind of rich, aren’t they. I could deal with that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-0lAhnoDlU
Hopefully you can play the wrong music in the wrong hood and catch a bullet from one of the thugs you so want to protect. Karma is a bitch ya’ know.
Don’t worry, I can’t stand that country and western shit.
The government absolutely can place limits on second amendment rights.
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Not constitutionally, shall not be infringed is pretty much saying that. No they do, but that’s not constitutional and we all know it. Oh and don’t give me the militia bullshit, it doesn’t hold water. The 2nd amendment has two independent clauses as was standard for writing at that time.
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The private marketplace is not the arbiter of what’s fair and good in this world. — You are right it doesn’t but a lot of us think it should. It’s better than the government forcing people to do “right” at the point of a gun don’t you think?
Dead guy in a Florida movie theater – 1,149,836 CWP holders in Florida, and one incident. Nope sorry numbers don’t show an issue.
Grand daughter of a judge in a local SC Sam’s club – 119,340 in South Carolina and you can fine one incident. Nope sorry numbers don’t show an issue
Black youth enjoying some skittles and iced tea – He started a fight with an armed man, he reaped his reward and it was a 9 mm bullet to the chest. The only good thug is a dead thug.
Black youths listening to loud music at a gas station – These youths need to learn manners, and they might stop getting killed. No sympathy, none at all.
Black youths listening to loud music at a gas station – These youths need to learn manners, and they might stop getting killed.
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cowardice – the Republican solution to everything.
“An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.” – Robert A. Heinlein
Heinlein was an acid head.
And your retarded I fail to see what religion has to do with this.
And your retarded
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you say that like it’s a bad thing. If I were to run as a tea party candidate, it’s a qualification.
I fail to see what religion has to do with this
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you should have said you didn’t grok it. That would have gotten you a beer on the house.
I compared the need for condoms with the need for guns, because guns are guaranteed by the Constitution, and the Constitution is like the bible, inspired by God.
Good use of Alinsky #5.
It was a compliment.
Right. So gov’t can’t place restrictions on the right to bear arms? So can private citizens own RPGs? Can we own fully automatic mini-guns? Anything over .50 cal? Can I have a tank…for home defense of course. I mean the constitution wasn’t clear on those when it was written over 200 years ago by an all male, all white panel of mostly slave owning protestants.
No, I don’t think we can wait on the private marketplace to catch up human rights. Rosa Parks would agree with me. I think you’d be happy with Maurice’s BBQ as he was fully entitled to be a disgusting bigot in his business but he still had to serve black people should they have chosen to eat there. That seems fair to me.
Lastly, you seem to be advocating that a few murders here and there by CWP holders is an acceptable level of collateral damage so these same CWP holders can “protect” us all….less’n that is of course you happen to be black and like rap music.
Do you likewise feel that a few murders here and there by police and military personnel are acceptable levels of collateral damage for the protection they offer us?
No realm of human endeavor is immune to human error and misuse, NONE.
What about the untold numbers of dead on our highways each year? Is that an acceptable level of collateral damage for the convenience of being able to hop in your car and drive across town to visit a friend, do grocery shopping, or go to work the way you like. While most might not like the way I worded it, I would be when it came down to brass tacks, most would agree that it is.
No, but the military and police are given specific powers and have hours and hours and hours of more training and experience than Jim Bob the CWP holder (aka modern day vigilante looking for young black kids to shoot).
I agree with you about the highway deaths. It’s shocking. Imagine the temerity of SC to go nanny style and adopt and enforce seatbelt laws…which…OMG…are actually saving lives now. There’s more we could do in that space but we wouldn’t want ‘Murican freedom to be impeded by such would we?
So, you have a groups of people (police and military) who have all of the hours of training, so that the very small percentage who go rogue, can kill us all the better?
FWIW, depending on state and individual agency, the police firearms training is not all that its cracked up to be. I know a lot of cops who struggle to meet qualification each year. I know a lot of these “untrained” (and “untrustworthy) citizens who can shoot rings around a lot of those cops.
To be a decent shot, you need a certain level of personal discipline and awareness. A lot of people who (thankfully) don’t like guns, lack that discipline and therefore the ability to learn to shoot a gun well. From observation over many decades, I would make an educated guess that in many cases, that ability to maintain the personal discipline needed to be a good shot somehow transfers over into other areas of a person’s life, and other aspects of their behavior. Am I saying that all good shots will be good people? No, because as I also noted earlier, NO realm of human endeavor will be immune from those who make serious mistakes and/or misuses of privileges and powers. Interestingly enough, I have known very few bad guys or problem people who were excellent shots and quite a few good guys who were.
Now you’re in the realm of the tin foil hat crowd who believe ninja police are waiting to just go out murder fellow Americans b/c they are the police.
What I’m saying is that there is a lot of mythologizing going on out there about these supposed new age white knights of the templar (rednecks with CWP) who are infalliable, neigh, better than the police themselves. Somehow imbued with divine skill and wisdom to know what to do at all times, every time. Except who we’re really talking about is mostly white folks who vote GOP, watch Fox News, pay their NRA dues and listen to Limbaugh and walk every minute of every day scared to death of everything to the point they feel they need to carry a weapon at all times and just waiting…just itching…to take out a bad guy.
First of all, I don’t generally dislike the police. Many of my closest friends are LE and retired LE. I also know that just because you have a badge, you are not necessarily 100% trustworthy anymore than the armed citizen who does not have a badge is not trustworthy. I abhor this myth that only police and military can handle the responsibility of being armed. Make whatever snide comparisons you like, a lot of folks in this world are current or retired professional sheepdogs and some never were but are smart enough to have an awareness of the evil that is out there. They are protective of their families, their communities, and themselves.
They have known, and in many cases seen firsthand, the things that evil people can and will do to good people and do not relish thought of standing around and watching such things go down in their presence and not doing anything about it. They do not live in fear because they know they have the means to deal with bad things if such finds them.
I don’t know what difference it makes what race or political leaning a good guy is, as long as he (or she) is there when the SHTF and has the means to bring hostilities to a halt before too much harm is done to innocents. A fair number of liberal leaning folk also recognize the importance of being prepared for bad things. Several Black friends are quite knowledgeable gun people and carry always. They are no less a positive influence in the world than anyone else. Google the “Pink Pistols”, a mostly gay-oriented group of shooting and self-defense enthusiasts.
The stereotype of the knuckle-dragging redneck by those of you who bask in your own ignorance does groweth old.
It is factual though. Most CWP holders are white, GOP voters no?
Seriously, WHO GIVE A SHIT??????
If you are getting robbed at knife or gunpoint and someone tries to intervene in your behalf, are you going to ask them for their political and racial background before accepting their help?
Because it’s pertinent to my argument that some sectors of white America (mainly in the South and mid-west) are hopped up to warp factor 11 on the fear scale b/c of talk radio and Fox News telling them they are losing ‘Murica to minority groups and that ninja police will be busting down their doors at any second to take away gran’ pappy’s old hunting rifle. They walk around with this fear so much, that they’ve got a finger on the trigger at all times just waiting for a kid to walk home, unarmed, minding his own business with skittles and iced tea.
Whatever. I made a reply to your first post yesterday which went through and immediately disappeared. I’ll try to recap parts of it.
Your “example” of the Martin/Zimmerman encounter is kind of a strikeout. Z was acquitted by a jury of any wrongdoing in that case. Little Trayvon was found to be in possession of stolen goods at school, which were later determined to be from a home burglary, days before the shooting. He was not the angel many wanted to paint him as. With the wonderful advantage of 20-20 hindsight, things could have been done differently by both parties which might have yielded a happier result for all concerned. His criminal career was cut short. End of story.
Fact 1: Zimmerman was armed and Martin wasn’t.
Fact 2: Martin was not trespassing and otherwise not committing any criminal activity on the night in question. If you want to bring up prior criminality then you’ll need to ask questions about Zimmerman punching up his lady or run ins with the cops.
Fact 3: Zimmerman accosted Martin by demanding to know what he was doing there (profiling) and against the advice of the 911 operator he followed Martin. Martin had a right to stand his ground but unfortunately did not have a gun.
The jury erred in their decision.
I thought all you liberals where tolerant and inclusive. Apparently you have a problem with white people living in the South or Mid-Midwest that are conservative and enjoy their constitutional rights. Sounds like you have a personal problem there.
Nooooo…I just don’t want to be gunned down by nut job while listening to loud rap music at a gas station.
And most people in prison are black, male, ex-democrat voters. Your point is?
and most food stamp recipients are single white mothers. You’re point is?
You’re the one that started it, I was making a completely non-relevant point, just like you did.
Not when you account for % of population…that would be single black mothers.
Ummm, the same goes for prison populations….which would be white inmates.
So gov’t can’t place restrictions on the right to bear arms? So can private citizens own RPGs? Can we own fully automatic mini-guns?
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ARTICLE I, SECTION 8, CLAUSE 11 Constitution of the United States America.
Article 1, Section 8 authorizes Congress to “…grant letters of marque and reprisal.” This statement, which was part of the Constitution even before the Bill of Rights was adopted, provides penetrating insight into the original intent of the Founding Fathers with regard to the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.
A”letter of marque and reprisal” (usually called simply a “letter of marque”) is “a license granted by a state to a private citizen to capture the merchant ships of another nation”. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that private citizens don’t venture forth to capture other nations’ ships armed with only a flintlock musket. To capture other ships on the high seas, you must own and operate an armed ocean-going vessel. Indeed, many private citizens have operated their own warships, and made good livings raiding and plundering enemy merchant ships with the full blessing of Uncle Sam. Such ships were called “privateers”, which my dictionary defines as “a privately owned warship commissioned by a government to fight or harass enemy shipping”. According to the Funk & Wagnall’s Encyclopedia, the U.S. Government employed privateers during both the American Revolution and the War of 1812. During the Civil War, Congress authorized the President to commission privateers, but this power was not exercised. The Confederacy, however, being critically short of warships, did make use of privateers.
It is therefore evident that the Founders of this nation intended for private citizens, operating their own warships, to augment our Navy in time of war. At the time the Constitution was written, the warship was the most elaborate, sophisticated, and formidable weapon system on earth. Even today, warships remain among the most potent packages of mobile military capability and firepower.
The American Founders trusted individual citizens to own and operate any and all military weapons, up to and including warships.
If you think the Founding Fathers never envisioned “military assault weapons” in the hands of private citizens, you are sadly mistaken, at least up to andincluding including privately owned warships operating on the high seas.
Right, the constitution also classifed black people as 3/5ths of a person.
Incorrect and you know it. It classified other persons as 3/5ths which was understood to not be free men. That however was revoked by the 13th Amendment anyway, so again your point is. ARTICLE I, SECTION 8 has not been repealed by any amendment.
What is your problem with The Constitution? It’s the supreme law of the land and the document by which power is given to the government by the people. It’s worked well for 227 years.
In many ways it’s a magnificent document, but in many ways it’s outdated and static. The amendment process and intervention of the courts mitigates that to some extent but obviously not enough if half of America thinks it says “X” and the other half think it says “Y”.
Rosa Parks was riding public transportation which is completely different from a private business, and not germane to this conversation.
Maurice’s BBQ is a private business he should have the right to serve not serve anyone he wants for whatever reason he chooses. I might not agree with his decisions but that’s his decision. I made a point about that in a comment below somewhere in this thread.
Well that solves everything. So a bunch of Maurice’s working together to deny black folks BBQ in the private sector is ok. Assuming of course the institutionalized and ever pervasive racism in the South which would have seen white hooded folks visiting your house at night should you decide to serve black people…and teach you a lesson…renders that mute. The Feds, bolstered by the constitution, saw differently and (for lack of a better phrase) called a spade a spade and saw discrimination and denial of rights for what it was.
Pete has shit all over himself with this. What a dickhead.
I thought being a dickhead was what it was all about. What are you, some kind of bleeding heart liberal? Let the man be a dick without giving him grief for it. I mean, you don’t like it when people call you a dickhead, do you?
You make less than no sense. The guy called those of us who are good hard-working, law-abiding people, and who take responsibility for our own safety and that of our loved ones (unlike you; gawd I hope you don’t have children, who are undoubtedly defenseless)- he called us “douchebags” and “losers” – just for doing so – why shouldn’t he expect a “dickhead” or two in retort?
Oh. So you were simply following the rules. My bad.
Oh. So you were simply following the rules. My bad.
Wait a sec – are you one of those people who believe that the police actually can or will protect you?
No I don’t believe in civilization – that’s why I carry weaponized anthrax, so I can blow it in the face of people I don’t like.
No I don’t believe in civilization – that’s why I carry weaponized anthrax, so I can blow it in the face of people I don’t like.
Yep. Pete’s right.
If the self righteous prick wants to say that gun owners are losers and douchebags, that’s okay. Of course, he shouldn’t complain if his profits decline when pro-gun people find his sign offensive. It’s a shame that he has to resort to insults and “muh feelings” to get his point across. He seems to be the ideological equivalent of that kid who always cried to the teachers about the other kids not being ‘fair’.
I kinda wish that every small business owner would post their feelings on their door like this so I could make a more educated decision about who deserves my business. On a side note, it sure seems like a good place to rob. It kinda makes you wonder why Liberals don’t have gun-free zone signs outside of their houses.
You can disarm yourself if you’d like to, but the moment you start calling for the rest of us to be disarmed you just crossed the line into “I can count to potato” territory.
If the self righteous prick wants to say that gun owners are losers and douchebags, that’s okay.
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yeah… cowards who use guns to “even up” a fist-fight make better lovers… if you’re into the whole black-and-blue thing.
You didn’t even bait your hook.
I didn’t think it was necessary in Republican circles. Besides, I’m hunting fishermen, not fish.
What in gawd’s name would make you think any of us are “Republicans”? I despise Republicans. In fact, the ONLY party worse than the Rs, among the nine major political parties in the USA, are the “Democrats” – the dregs of the dregs – #s 8 and 9. Why would anyone voluntarily affiliate themselves with EITHER of those donkey-ball-sucking parties? Wait a sec – you don’t actually buy into the neoconcrat false dichotomy do you? You don’t actually think that liberals and progressives want their fundamental rights trampled, do you? There are millions upon millions of very pro-gun Ds and liberals in this country. Liberals (like me) are GOOD. Leftists like you are bad and frankly evil, because you promote a pro-violence stance. You leftist blissninny hoplophobotard shills are among the smallest of minorities even in the D party (at least in most states)
What in gawd’s name would make you think any of us are “Republicans”?
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the “needs killin'” part.
Well, amateur, I apologize for not being able to speak about what goes on in Republican circles, as I am not a Republican. Did your simple mind get offended at my “potato” comment? Feel free to continue to toss shekels at the Backstreet Pub if you choose to do so. While you’re at it, just go ahead and put a little start of David on your door (if you’re a liberal mong) so I can safely avoid giving you money. We’ll put a sticker of a gun or of The Constitution on ours. It’ll go both ways. We’ll both be happier. Try bigger bait next time :)
Well, amateur, I apologize for not being able to speak about what goes on in Republican circles, as I am not a Republican.
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So you’ve never heard of a circle jerk?
Did your simple mind get offended at my “potato” comment?
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no… and you spelled it wrong it’s “potatoe” – remember?
While you’re at it, just go ahead and put a little start of David on your door (if you’re a liberal mong) so I can safely avoid giving you money.
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actually, every morning i give the eave over my door a fresh coat of lamb’s blood.
It’ll go both ways.
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I’m a DC liberal – women only. Ass, exit only.
While I’m sure that you’re quite familiar with a circle jerk, I can’t say that I’ve ever participated in one. Tell me, how was your last lemon party?
While I’m sure that you’re quite familiar with a circle jerk, I can’t say that I’ve ever participated in one.
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I wouldn’t think you could..but you might have been invited.. you’re probably too young yet.
Lemon party?
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you kids today!…
What does that even mean? Why in gawd’s name would anyone ever want to engage in a ‘fist fight’? I think I know what’s going on here folks – euwe max is your local thug out there in Clemson, who beats people up and takes their money (starts said “fist fights” unprovoked), and he’s really offended by the notion that some meek college-town folks might actually hurt him in response, with a weapon.
What does that even mean? Why in gawd’s name would anyone ever want to engage in a ‘fist fight’?
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Not me! I want to booby trap their mailbox and get them that way, or shoot them from a quarter mile away at night with a night-vision scope and an automatic weapon loaded with explosive bullets.
Name-calling — a favorite tool of Tea Partiers, anti-Obama loons, Rush and all the mini-Rushes — is never useful or productive. My advice to Pete: Grow up!
Alinsky rule #5.
I just love the fact that this guy just told all criminals in the state where to come to rob a place, in order to make sure to meet no armed resistance. Anti-gunners aren’t know for their brains, I guess.
Is this a gay bar? I only go to gay bars, and I heard if one of these signs are posted you run a better chance of being anally r@9ped in the bar. I wanna be anally r@9ped in a gay bar.
Should be GUN OWNERS WHO NEED TO CARRY = DOUCHEBAGS
If you’re going to call a certain (probably sizable) percentage of your patrons “douchebags,” you should probably at least be smart enough to read the law and put up a sign that meets the requirements of said statute. This Clemson dude’s sign does not…
SECTION 23-31-235. Sign requirements.
(A) Notwithstanding any other provision of this article, any requirement of or allowance for the posting of signs prohibiting the carrying of a concealable weapon upon any premises shall only be satisfied by a sign expressing the prohibition in both written language interdict and universal sign language.
(B) All signs must be posted at each entrance into a building where a concealable weapon permit holder is prohibited from carrying a concealable weapon and must be:
(1) clearly visible from outside the building;
(2) eight inches wide by twelve inches tall in size;
(3) contain the words “NO CONCEALABLE WEAPONS ALLOWED” in black one-inch tall uppercase type at the bottom of the sign and centered between the lateral edges of the sign;
(4) contain a black silhouette of a handgun inside a circle seven inches in diameter with a diagonal line that runs from the lower left to the upper right at a forty-five degree angle from the horizontal;
(5) a diameter of a circle; and
(6) placed not less than forty inches and not more than sixty inches from the bottom of the building’s entrance door.
(C) If the premises where concealable weapons are prohibited does not have doors, then the signs contained in subsection (A) must be:
(1) thirty-six inches wide by forty-eight inches tall in size;
(2) contain the words “NO CONCEALABLE WEAPONS ALLOWED” in black three- inch tall uppercase type at the bottom of the sign and centered between the lateral edges of the sign;
(3) contain a black silhouette of a handgun inside a circle thirty-four inches in diameter with a diagonal line that is two inches wide and runs from the lower left to the upper right at a forty-five degree angle from the horizontal and must be a diameter of a circle whose circumference is two inches wide;
(4) placed not less than forty inches and not more than ninety-six inches above the ground;
(5) posted in sufficient quantities to be clearly visible from any point of entry onto the premises.
HISTORY: 1996 Act No. 464, Section 13; 2002 Act No. 274, Section 5.