Release: NLRB Shuts Down SC Trucking Company
The morning of November 22, 2013, Newberry, S.C. business owner Alton Piester received a frantic calYou must Subscribe or log in to read the rest of this content.
The morning of November 22, 2013, Newberry, S.C. business owner Alton Piester received a frantic cal
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It’s always good to have money outside the banking system for times like those described above as well as a separate unregistered LLC that you can quickly register and fire up, with a very similar name, so that you are not subject to the unreasonableness of both individuals and government.
The above is a tough way to learn that lesson.
“The above communication is a news release from an attorney…” That pretty much says it all.
Is Lee “not so” Bright going to claim this is what happened to his mismanaged company?
I know Lee “not so” Bright, too. I can’t offer the same compliments and support for him as I did Alton Piester earlier this evening.
In fact, Lee is the antithesis of Alton Piester especially when comparing integrity, reliability, and personal honor.
Chalk one up for the working man!!
Sounds like there will be some working men not working.
What working man?
Guy tried to cheat his employees and got his ass handed to him. He needs to be out of business.
I’m sure he pays himself less than minimum wage but I imagine his house and car will not be the kind most minimum wage employees own.
Good riddance!!
Actually, both are very, very modest. No one is going to get rich while trying to earn a living and paying off old farm debt from earnings gained hauling commodity type payloads including grain, fertilizer materials, sand, and/or other aggregates particularly with just 6 trucks.
You’re a bit off base here even if unintended.
He’s unemployed and bitter. Pay him no mind. All business owners are evil to him because he’s unemployable.
He’s the perfect poster child to lead a communist revolution or beer hall putsch.
If I were Mr. Piester or his attorney, I would have contacted my US House representative and senators a long time ago.
Maybe they already have.
I’m sure that will be effective.
I am sure there are two sides to this story.
No doubt Cockroach Bill Nettles and his staff of little cockroaches did everything by the book and are to be commended for putting a nasty criminal like Mr. Piester and his 8 employees out on the street right before Thanksgiving
In fact I think I will do the commendation myself
To: Cockroach Bill Nettles, all the little cockroaches who work for him and to the bigger NLRB cockroach sons of bitches
I hereby commend you to eternal hell and damnation from this day forward
Sincerely,
jimlewis, old white bastard
What does the South Carolina US Attorney’s office (Nettles) have to do with this? The NLRB (and its Atlanta Region) doesn’t rely on US Attorneys for anything. I’m afraid your ignorance is showing.
Perhaps yours is showing, too, or perhaps, inattention to detail is showing (worse). After all, you are the one who referenced NLRB Atlanta venue.
Region Assigned: Region 11, Winston-Salem, North Carolina
Region 11 has been absorbed by Atlanta in a recent reorganization.
Are you the effwad that prosecuted the case or do you sit on the appeals board? You seem a bit less than disinterested and a bit more than unbiased.
Oh, and you, effwad, presented the detail. Why didn’t you make the distinction in venue since you knew it to be a recent event?
No. I have no connection to the case at all and never have. I would be considered a Board expert, having worked in the field for 45 years. I am now retired, though, but keep up with interesting disputes.
As for mentioning the regional office reorganization, I simply thought most people would have been aware of it. The Board’s website map covers it. The reorganization was in the news and has been in effect since January.
BTW, is there a reason for you to be rude and calling names in this discussion? I certainly have not been civil. Why not you?
Differences of opinion or factual mistakes are no reason to be calling names. But, I’m a big boy and can take it. Are you a big boy who can speak on issues like an adult? I bet you are.
Let’s both be big boys. Why would you presume that those in this forum would know (or have reason to care about a recent reorganization of a Federal agency/board?). You, sir, would be the exception in this forum, an expert in labor law, not I, and not most others that post here.
It seems to me and I bet, most, that your presumption is at best misguided, or at least somewhat ill-considered.
This is not a committee of the ABA.
Very good. Now, go downthread to the link and read the Board’s first decision (as well as the reversed decision of the first ALJ), and tell us why you think the Board’s decision is indefensible. And also, if you can, explain why Piester’s lawyer is trying to backfill his mistake by issuing this press release, blaming the NLRB instead of either Piester or himself. (Or keeping his mouth shut.)
If Piester was operating on such a thin margin as you say, why does any lawyer recommend litigation over settlement? Getting him out as cheaply as he can seems to be the wise choice. If Piester had cut off the backpay period (by offering the employee reinstatement) as quickly as the complaint was issued, backpay could have been extremely light, way lighter than the $77 grand found in the compliance case.
If I were Piester, and the lawyer advised litigation, I’d at least be consulting a legal malpractice lawyer.
I’m not a lawyer. Like most, my lawyer is the finest guy in America. Also, like most, my adversarys’ lawyer is the biggest SOB in America (not really, in most of my adversarial proceedings I, and they, have enjoyed mutual and reciprocal respect; in some cases we became social if not personal friends).
I don’t know or know of the attorney of record. My advice to Alton would be as yours.
My observation is that Alton was in way over his head and ill-served by counsel.
By the way, I read the case and the proceedings in their entirety. I keep an account on the Federal Court proceedings.
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Always nice to wake up and find some fuck face has pissed on your leg
Sometimes one can only work with what they are given. Post stated local “United States Attorneys” and the only “local” ones I know of are Cockroach Nettles and his little cockroaches
As for you being afraid of my ignorance who give’s a rat’s ass
After reviewing the jim3k profile, nothing but an NLRB troll.
They get involved in collection because collection is done by the local U.S. District Court.
Wrong. The NLRB does not use the district court for its enforcement orders and uses its own enforcement attorneys. It uses the appellate courts’ contempt powers.
They can bring a contempt proceeding in the appellate court. And you are right. This is what they usually do. Here’s an unusual situation. Piester can show inability to pay to the appellate court. The NLRB is usually dealing with companies that can pay and are just refusing to. So a proceeding under the Federal Debt Collection Practices Act (in District Court) is a better option. They can seize accounts secretly with no prior notice. Hence the local U.S. Attorney gets involved. That’s why the S.C. U.S. Attorney is lead attorney on this case. Check the pleadings for yourself.
In over 45 years of dealing with the Board, I’ve never seen them use the Federal Debt Collection Act. Maybe they should have done so before, but this seems rare. I don’t have access to the pleadings, Chuck, but if you do, feel free to link them.
LOL. I could probably now guess who you are then if I put my mind to it. I practice in this field too but rarely Board proceedings any more and my experience is far less than yours. I would have expected the contempt proceeding. Maybe the FDCPA is a brand new tactic? It seems pretty effective given the element of surprise it provides. I’ll see what I can do tomorrow on providing a link.
Poor Alton Piester,
Whom the gubmint has kicked in the keester.
Send big bucks to me,
Says the NLRB
Or we will audit your seester.
Bless Alton Piester;
The gubmint finally released her.
But it’s just Alton’s luck
They will garnish his truck,
Returning it only next Easter.
I’ve known Alton Piester for more than 25 years. He has provided services to at least two of my companies in the past (actually, I think three of them), though not in the last 10-12 years. I get quite a bit of satisfaction when I see his trucks while traveling on the interstates, primarily I-26 since I’m on it several times each week.
Alton is an honorable man and of great dependability as a provider of transportation services. I know many others that would make the same claim. Although unaware of his current predicament, I will tell you that it would take a pretty difficult person not to reach an accommodation with Alton Piester, up to and including a federal agency.
Alton’s trucking company was born of the Agriculural crisis of the mid 1980’s when he established it in order keep his head above water as his farming enterprise was struggling like most others. Like many farmers, he was forced to switch gears in an effort to stay afloat. He started with one truck and one driver, himself. He later added others as his favorable reputation grew.
I admire those who face adversity and difficulty with their heads high and their pride intact. Alton Piester is no exception.
I hope that Alton will be able to overcome his current travails.
Government; how ever did the wheels of our country function before it managed to insert itself into every facet of our daily lives, often denying us due process as it did so?
Government creating jobs once again, for those who can work for government of course. The parasites will pick the carcass of private industry clean until we have a national Detroit.
Another victory for the nlrb…5 more unemployed Americans!
This sucks, if true.
Well, this SUCKS!
However, I am taken aback by the statement, “a federal agency he has never heard of.”
This is pretty simple. The company lawyer is obfuscating. At this end stage, it’s nothing more than a collections case . The NLRB got a judgment against Piester for unlawfully firing the employee and it refused to pay. So the NLRB has begun seizing assets to satisfy the judgment. Pretty routine. And all of this happened after normal, and fair, NLRB legal proceedings. Win some, lose some. Piester could probably have settled before trial for half what he lost by litigation. Based on this lawyer’s press release, it seems to me that he did not serve his client well. If the lawyer is feeling bad, maybe he should forgive his fee. It’s always cheaper to settle, but this guy took his client down the litigation road to his detriment.
If anyone wants to take the time to actually learn about the NLRB’s case, here’s the link to the NLRB case docket. http://www.nlrb.gov/case/11-CA-021531
It contains links to both the ALJ decision and the Board’s decision. It also notes that the case went to the Circuit Court of Appeals, but Piester defaulted and the court issued judgment against the company.
Hard to have much sympathy. The default means that Piester gave up.
Knowing a bit about the trucking business (I operated 4 rigs as an in-house enterprise within one of my companies) I would suggest that Alton, rather than “gave up,” simply made a good business decision that the judgment of $72K plus interest was “a bridge too far.”
I consider it highly unlikely that the company’s net assets are/were worth the amount of judgment. It is plausible that Alton made the correct decision and perhaps the NLRB and the Plaintiff made a bad decision in not settling. Let them handle the liquidation at their expense, not his. If the NLRB is seizing A/R’s, then I can only imagine they are coming up way short in gaining liquid assets. In fact, I must tell you I doubt greatly there are any significant liquid assets and his A/R’s would be minimal…..freight bills like his are most often paid on presentation of invoice which I bet occurs with great frequency in his operation….one week or less, usually when the next load is picked up for transport. Drivers are paid weekly and fuel bills are on short terms.
The judgment is against the company it appears and not Alton, personally.
Alton can start over. I’m not sure the Plaintiffs can squeeze blood out of a turnip.
The contempt/collections procedure may or may not end with the company and its limited liability. Depends on how well Piester kept company finances separate from his personal finances. The company’s backpay liability is only $77,000 plus interest.
He needed to settle the case before it went to trial before the first ALJ. I’m betting he could have settled for half that at that stage. Why did this lawyer let him fall into the quagmire?
Let me make this clearer. If Piester employed two clerical employees and a mechanic for a fleet of 5 trucks with him as the 6th stand in driver, there ain’t any net worth to the company because there ain’t been any profit of noteworthiness. I was born at night, but not last night.
My 40 years of experience in business with exposure to both trucking and farming as minority parts of my enterprises gives me an insight to his operation that others, not the least of whom would be you, don’t have.
I’m betting the corporate shield is intact. Nothing in the testimony suggested to me any contempt and a default is simply a default. It is not contemptuous insofar as what you have referenced with your exhibits posted prior.
A refusal to comply with a court order is de facto contemptuous.
To the point of attempting to penetrate the shield of incorporation? Even if technically and legally correct, is it practically imposed?
Both the plaintiff and the NLRB have been just as difficult as Piester. By the way, I agree with one of your first comments; Piester’s attorney is doing the classic CYA, bullshit rationalization for the benefit of himself, mainly, and that of his firm, secondarily, and tertiarially, Alton Piester.
For the record, I’ve not spoken to Alton in at least 10 years. He hauled for me as a “spillover” transporter as did 4 other independent truckers who were loaded on an almost daily basis. My four trucks were used everyday. When excess freight was needed (and it was considerable) I utilized Alton. When he was in my markets and empty, he could usually count on a back-haul into another market, if not Newberry.
And thanks for your goodwill gesture in the matter of civility. I was out of line.
Apology accepted.
A refusal to comply is not the same as an inability to comply. The former is contemptuous, the latter not.
Before any finding of contempt, there would be a hearing of some sort before the court where issues of refusal or inability would be presented. So would issues of piercing the corporate veil.
Piester won the first trial. Case no. 11-CA-21531. Its in the decision dated 9/30/2008 on the sixth page. For some reason, that decision isn’t listed in jim3k’s link. Everything you guys are looking at came from the damages phase.
Here is the Board’s link to the underlying liability case. http://mynlrb.nlrb.gov/link/document.aspx/09031d45803ba0ac
The first portion is the Board’s decision reversing the ALJ. The second part is the ALJ’s initial decision (rendered orally) in favor of Piester.
There is no second trial. The Board only reviews ALJ decisions; they are not re-heard ab initio. It only serves as an appellate body.
As noted, the case is now in the compliance stage. Debt collection.
Simple Solution> Sell off the company assets.
Then open up the next day under a new name.
Problem solved.
That’s a bullshit release from an attorney. I went and read the actual orders, etc. The only argument they put up is “we don’t owe him that much because we wouldn’t have rehired him anyway.” Doesn’t appear they ever fought the ruling as to the improper firing. Dumb ass lawyer probably billed him $25K over the last few years and is having a hard time explaining to his client that “Hey, guess we were wrong all along.” Guess he just wants to make the NLRB a boogeyman to cover up his own ineptness.
And they don’t just come and take your stuff. They’ve got a dang judgment, and to get to that point, you’ve been told you are wrong numerous times.
Your wrong. Look for the decision dated 9/30/2008 which has the trial judge’s decision included beginning on the sixth page. The trial judge ruled in favor of Piester and even found Chapman “not credible.” The NLRB gets to decide the appeal, it reversed, and the federal courts are required to defer to the NLRB’s judgment. You are reading from the later decision setting the amount of damages.
See the link I inserted above.
The fact that the ALJ found in Piester’s favor is perhaps comforting, but not the final word before the Board. An ALJ decision is only a recommendation. If the ALJ has misanalysed the facts or applied the law wrongly, he or she is likely to be reversed. That seems to have happened here. You can read both for yourself in the above link
Update: New Order in the case by the District Court. Some of the assets are released so the company can meet payroll and some expenses and appears a settlement has been reached but not yet finalized. No details provided on the settlement.
I can’t do a link as you have to have access to the court records to see it.
Good to hear, chuck. Keep us updated as the case developes. .