Summey: The Truth About Those “Greenbelts”
Much has been made lately about Charleston County’s “Greenbelt” program by politicians lookingYou must Subscribe or log in to read the rest of this content.
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“the right idea the wrong way” —— yep, and here’s the proof!
Henry, I am not sure where you came from, but please stay as long as you want.
“the right idea the wrong way” —— yep, and here’s the proof!
Henry, I am not sure where you came from, but please stay as long as you want.
More tilting at straw men. Tilt on mofoes
I love your mixed metaphor.
More tilting at straw men. Tilt on mofoes
I love your mixed metaphor.
OK
OK
…lands that will have little to no public access…
Mr. Summey, What are these lands, specifically? This is news to me.
One of these pieces of land is very near me. It was purchased for a PRIVATE group for PRIVATE use. Also know that I went to a meeting to fight against this purchase and found the board discussing how they needed to hurry and spend all the money for the year. They were afraid of having any left over so they would not be able to get the same amount the next year.
(cough) (cough) ahem (cough) Eliot Summey (cough) likes to write reading but (cough) not read writing. Looks like he won’t respond. There’s leadership for you.
Anything that has received a conservation easement is not considered “public” land. It is up to the individual private property owner who he does or does not allow on the property. In most cases these are private owners who hunt their land and only let friend or family use it. Some are farms.
…lands that will have little to no public access…
Mr. Summey, What are these lands, specifically? This is news to me.
One of these pieces of land is very near me. It was purchased for a PRIVATE group for PRIVATE use. Also know that I went to a meeting to fight against this purchase and found the board discussing how they needed to hurry and spend all the money for the year. They were afraid of having any left over so they would not be able to get the same amount the next year.
(cough) (cough) ahem (cough) Eliot Summey (cough) likes to write reading but (cough) not read writing. Looks like he won’t respond. There’s leadership for you.
Anything that has received a conservation easement is not considered “public” land. It is up to the individual private property owner who he does or does not allow on the property. In most cases these are private owners who hunt their land and only let friend or family use it. Some are farms.
If the money had not been bonded, but instead land had been purchased on a ‘pay as you go’ basis, wouldn’t the cost of inflation have more or less equalled the interest cost being paid? Plus in the interim, some of the lands would,or at least could have been developed, the prevention of which is the whole point of the program.
I’d like to know the author’s thoughts on those points.
The conservation easement approach is you take a percentage of the potential value if it were to be developed then spread that cost over a income tax break. So for instance land that would be purchased at $10,000 per acre would then have an easement value of $1000 per acre.
If the money had not been bonded, but instead land had been purchased on a ‘pay as you go’ basis, wouldn’t the cost of inflation have more or less equalled the interest cost being paid? Plus in the interim, some of the lands would,or at least could have been developed, the prevention of which is the whole point of the program.
I’d like to know the author’s thoughts on those points.
The conservation easement approach is you take a percentage of the potential value if it were to be developed then spread that cost over a income tax break. So for instance land that would be purchased at $10,000 per acre would then have an easement value of $1000 per acre.
Unfortunately, had we waited, most of the land would have been gone. There have certainly been some questionable decisions made. The problem is the same general one we always have: under-funding real problems, crisis oriented responses that subvert planning and the tendency of the Old Boy network to corrupt everything it touches. The good news is that in 25 years anything which still has trees on it will be worth it’s weight in gold. Our only regret then will be that we didn’t do more now. The roads will end up half empty. We’ll continue to expand transit. What little is left of the Lowcountry will be precious beyond measure. I ride down Rifle Range Road in Mount Pleasant now, telling my son I remember the Tomato Fields which once went for miles. He can’t comprehend what it was like. All he sees are Walmart, Gas Stations and Strip Malls.
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What little is left of the Lowcountry will be precious beyond measure. I ride down Rifle Range Road in Mount Pleasant now, telling my son I remember the Tomato Fields which once went for miles. He can’t comprehend what it was like. All he sees are Walmart, Gas Stations and Strip Malls.
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It’s true and it’s a pity. And it’s fine with most county councilmen (excluding Schweers & Sass). And fine with Joe Riley, Bobby Harrell, Chip Limehouse, and Jim Rozier, who can’t wait to bulldoze I-526 through the tomato fields and four black churches on Johns Island. You know, to help out their campaign donors.
Unfortunately, had we waited, most of the land would have been gone. There have certainly been some questionable decisions made. The problem is the same general one we always have: under-funding real problems, crisis oriented responses that subvert planning and the tendency of the Old Boy network to corrupt everything it touches. The good news is that in 25 years anything which still has trees on it will be worth it’s weight in gold. Our only regret then will be that we didn’t do more now. The roads will end up half empty. We’ll continue to expand transit. What little is left of the Lowcountry will be precious beyond measure. I ride down Rifle Range Road in Mount Pleasant now, telling my son I remember the Tomato Fields which once went for miles. He can’t comprehend what it was like. All he sees are Walmart, Gas Stations and Strip Malls.
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What little is left of the Lowcountry will be precious beyond measure. I ride down Rifle Range Road in Mount Pleasant now, telling my son I remember the Tomato Fields which once went for miles. He can’t comprehend what it was like. All he sees are Walmart, Gas Stations and Strip Malls.
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It’s true and it’s a pity. And it’s fine with most county councilmen (excluding Schweers & Sass). And fine with Joe Riley, Bobby Harrell, Chip Limehouse, and Jim Rozier, who can’t wait to bulldoze I-526 through the tomato fields and four black churches on Johns Island. You know, to help out their campaign donors.
To help put this into context, the green belt was funded from the 2004 half cent sales tax. On the ballot “green spaces” and “public transportation” were listed, along with about a dozen local road projects to be improved. However, in 2005, County Council voted to reallocate some 350 million for the local matching funds for the extention of I526, which is 7 miles and two huge bridges to go across Johns Island, and cut through the James Island County Park. Meanwhile the public transportation hasn’t improved at all and the green space was just a slush fund with the county allowing hunting rights. Now had this been listed on the ballot, 350 million, for 526, the tax probably wouldn’t have passed, as it is now, people think it is free money, and Elliot Summey has already proposed another half cent sales tax to pay for the improvements needed around 26 and Boeing. So, yes, I am bothered by this because I voted on the half cent sales tax thinking it would improve public transportation and green spaces, as I pass people with one leg, walking on crutches to the grocery store, not a highway that cuts through our county park and a slush fund for special interest developers, that Summey and others are all to willing to accept funds and do their bidding at the tax payers expense.
All of the match money came from construction projects that we were doing, not actual new moneys.
Thanks for the reply Mr. Summey. I came back to say I appreciate you being forthcoming about the green belt funds. I’m not sure what match money you are talking about? However, the TIFF for the Beach Company is a disgrace. You were not on County Council when the half cent sales tax was introduced. I remember the Coastal Conservation League was against it but I voted for the public transportation and expanding green spaces. I find it incredulous that county council was not aware of using such a large portion of the tax funds for 526, and that was the reason it was not listed on the tax in context of the actual cost. The ballot actually had a ramp listed for 526 even when there was no project yet for 526, so that indicates the bait and switch was deliberate, and implied that 526 was already approved, when it didn’t yet exist. It also avoided stating how much it would cost compared to other projects that are listed as a higher priority for our county. You want 526 so I respect your vote on that, but don’t agree with the cost benefit for the project, as you also need another tax increase for Boeing and 26. I hope you can see how the TIFF for the Beach Compay, Vic Rawl’s development, Chip Limehouse selling property adjacent to Kiawah, all appear as a conflict of interest and not in the best interest of tax payers. At this point don’t you think it would be best to simply put 526 on the ballot? You have been the unofficial spokes person for 526, and even said Charleston County shouldn’t be the one building it when you all tried to send it back to SCDOT, then the City, and now back to the County. Should have simply listed it on the ballot with the actual cost. But that’s just my opinion, as that was the most unique tax increase I’m aware of that included things that mean a lot to me.
To help put this into context, the green belt was funded from the 2004 half cent sales tax. On the ballot “green spaces” and “public transportation” were listed, along with about a dozen local road projects to be improved. However, in 2005, County Council voted to reallocate some 350 million for the local matching funds for the extention of I526, which is 7 miles and two huge bridges to go across Johns Island, and cut through the James Island County Park. Meanwhile the public transportation hasn’t improved at all and the green space was just a slush fund with the county allowing hunting rights. Now had this been listed on the ballot, 350 million, for 526, the tax probably wouldn’t have passed, as it is now, people think it is free money, and Elliot Summey has already proposed another half cent sales tax to pay for the improvements needed around 26 and Boeing. So, yes, I am bothered by this because I voted on the half cent sales tax thinking it would improve public transportation and green spaces, as I pass people with one leg, walking on crutches to the grocery store, not a highway that cuts through our county park and a slush fund for special interest developers, that Summey and others are all to willing to accept funds and do their bidding at the tax payers expense.
All of the match money came from construction projects that we were doing, not actual new moneys.
Thanks for the reply Mr. Summey. I came back to say I appreciate you being forthcoming about the green belt funds. I’m not sure what match money you are talking about? However, the TIFF for the Beach Company is a disgrace. You were not on County Council when the half cent sales tax was introduced. I remember the Coastal Conservation League was against it but I voted for the public transportation and expanding green spaces. I find it incredulous that county council was not aware of using such a large portion of the tax funds for 526, and that was the reason it was not listed on the tax in context of the actual cost. The ballot actually had a ramp listed for 526 even when there was no project yet for 526, so that indicates the bait and switch was deliberate, and implied that 526 was already approved, when it didn’t yet exist. It also avoided stating how much it would cost compared to other projects that are listed as a higher priority for our county. You want 526 so I respect your vote on that, but don’t agree with the cost benefit for the project, as you also need another tax increase for Boeing and 26. I hope you can see how the TIFF for the Beach Compay, Vic Rawl’s development, Chip Limehouse selling property adjacent to Kiawah, all appear as a conflict of interest and not in the best interest of tax payers. At this point don’t you think it would be best to simply put 526 on the ballot? You have been the unofficial spokes person for 526, and even said Charleston County shouldn’t be the one building it when you all tried to send it back to SCDOT, then the City, and now back to the County. Should have simply listed it on the ballot with the actual cost. But that’s just my opinion, as that was the most unique tax increase I’m aware of that included things that mean a lot to me.
What I think it ridiculous is how Summey admits to all of this corruption, but denies his involvement in it. He voted for the I-526 extension, which favors developers and will destroy Johns Island and James Island County Park.
Dude, he’s a spoiled Silver Spooner who inherited positions and still hoist the “Don’t Tread On Me” flag as though he’s had it so bad…lol
What do you expect from his hypocritical type.
What I think it ridiculous is how Summey admits to all of this corruption, but denies his involvement in it. He voted for the I-526 extension, which favors developers and will destroy Johns Island and James Island County Park.
Dude, he’s a spoiled Silver Spooner who inherited positions and still hoist the “Don’t Tread On Me” flag as though he’s had it so bad…lol
What do you expect from his hypocritical type.
Dear Informational Cadets,
This is a prime example of a LOCAL politician doing….WHAT..?? Just think Cadets….why would Wil Folks run this article when the Post and Courier has not..?? or has it..?? Why would the fine Elliott Summey write this article NOW..??
How should this article be used in a MASS-Action Law suit as evidence and the fine citizens who comment being the witnesses for jurors to question..!!?
How would an “Erin Brockovich” type lawyer use this article to deposition Mayor Kieth Summey about the amount of TRASH Energy the City of North Charleston produces that is skimmed by Charleston COUNTY…?? How much diesel fuel is consumed and taxes funneled by Mayor Kieth Summey..??
How would the comments about the Greenbelt article here be used to question the future location of WIND Turbines that benefit ..WHAT…landowners..??
How would this article the used to illustrate how citizens are kept in the DARK..??
How would this website be used to illustrate just how “open” Mr Elliott Summey really is on a daily basis with his voters..??
We wonder if Mr. Elliott Summey will go to the military times website and actually read about Wind Turbines in New Port Rhode Island..??
Is Elliott Summey (Kieth) a sitting DUCK for Wil Folks or a backstabbing politician..??
Dear Informational Cadets,
This is a prime example of a LOCAL politician doing….WHAT..?? Just think Cadets….why would Wil Folks run this article when the Post and Courier has not..?? or has it..?? Why would the fine Elliott Summey write this article NOW..??
How should this article be used in a MASS-Action Law suit as evidence and the fine citizens who comment being the witnesses for jurors to question..!!?
How would an “Erin Brockovich” type lawyer use this article to deposition Mayor Kieth Summey about the amount of TRASH Energy the City of North Charleston produces that is skimmed by Charleston COUNTY…?? How much diesel fuel is consumed and taxes funneled by Mayor Kieth Summey..??
How would the comments about the Greenbelt article here be used to question the future location of WIND Turbines that benefit ..WHAT…landowners..??
How would this article the used to illustrate how citizens are kept in the DARK..??
How would this website be used to illustrate just how “open” Mr Elliott Summey really is on a daily basis with his voters..??
We wonder if Mr. Elliott Summey will go to the military times website and actually read about Wind Turbines in New Port Rhode Island..??
Is Elliott Summey (Kieth) a sitting DUCK for Wil Folks or a backstabbing politician..??
Dear Mrs Kieth Summey……(yes YOU …mama!!)
We wonder Mrs Summey…..have you actually taken time todday to read the Post and Courier concerning some CONDOS that are up for foreclosure..?? Where will the children who live in these Million DOLLAR condos actually play..?? Well, Mrs Summey, if you get out Google EARTH and take a look you will see a PARK that was funded by certain funds that is sitting right on TOP of a former SUPERFUND site…!! Mrs Summey, can you ask your SON and Husband where the water comes from to WATER the grass for the Soccer fields…!?! Mrs Summey….just think…..when Mrs Wil Folks goes to Google Earth and does a little of her own research….do YOU seriously think that Mrs Wil Folks would allow her son to play on those fields …??? One time may not hurt…..but how many times is too much..??
On another note Mrs Summey……how much wind energy tax revenue is sitting above WESCOTT Plantation…?? We really want you to thank Kieth for puttin up those turbines on top of City Hall…..it just really makes one wonder just how much WIND ENERGY is at 700 feet above City Hall instead of at roof top level..!!?
Mrs Summey…..do you think that Wil Folk’s wife is STUPID..?? Do you think that Mr. SMIRKS is dumb and blind to know Green Belt land will be used to LOCATE Wind Turbines…??
Mrs Summey we sure wish you would fix a helpin of your Macaroni and cheese and invite WIl Folks for dinner…!!! Maybe you could ask some questions that YOUR son failed to ASK and Answer in this article….!!!
Dear Mrs Kieth Summey……(yes YOU …mama!!)
We wonder Mrs Summey…..have you actually taken time todday to read the Post and Courier concerning some CONDOS that are up for foreclosure..?? Where will the children who live in these Million DOLLAR condos actually play..?? Well, Mrs Summey, if you get out Google EARTH and take a look you will see a PARK that was funded by certain funds that is sitting right on TOP of a former SUPERFUND site…!! Mrs Summey, can you ask your SON and Husband where the water comes from to WATER the grass for the Soccer fields…!?! Mrs Summey….just think…..when Mrs Wil Folks goes to Google Earth and does a little of her own research….do YOU seriously think that Mrs Wil Folks would allow her son to play on those fields …??? One time may not hurt…..but how many times is too much..??
On another note Mrs Summey……how much wind energy tax revenue is sitting above WESCOTT Plantation…?? We really want you to thank Kieth for puttin up those turbines on top of City Hall…..it just really makes one wonder just how much WIND ENERGY is at 700 feet above City Hall instead of at roof top level..!!?
Mrs Summey…..do you think that Wil Folk’s wife is STUPID..?? Do you think that Mr. SMIRKS is dumb and blind to know Green Belt land will be used to LOCATE Wind Turbines…??
Mrs Summey we sure wish you would fix a helpin of your Macaroni and cheese and invite WIl Folks for dinner…!!! Maybe you could ask some questions that YOUR son failed to ASK and Answer in this article….!!!
County Council created the GBB to select the best properties with the greatest impact on preserving wildlife. Council established GBB to be comprised of citizens with expertise in wildlife management, environmental resources, real estate law, land surveying, botany and zoology — and to be unpaid volunteers. GBB members love and want to preserve the lowcountry.
With no interference from politicians on County Council, the GBB voted (in open meetings) on properties they considered important to keep undeveloped and out of the hands of developers and in the domain of wildlife.
Once Council discovered that GBB was buying lands that Councilmen could make money on, Council removed from the GBB the final authority to select these lands.
This unusually political decision occurred during the tenure of Paul Thurmond’s tenure there. Having revoked GBB’s authority and replacing it with Council, GBB is nothing more than a wet sponge. I understand that GBB members are afraid of Council — afraid Council will “retaliate” against GBB members — explaining why GBB members are silent and do not publicly protest Council’s actions.
Councilman Thurmond persuaded Council to ignore the GBB in 2012 and buy swamp land that Thurmond’s law client needed to sell quickly in a divorce settlement. GBB did not want Thurmond’s mosquito-laden swamp land. The Post and Courier editorialized three times that the swamp-land purchase odd, not well researched, overpriced, “rushed,” and ill-advised.
Council now controls all $220 million of this GBB money.
Call it a slush fund.
Democracy at work, yes?
County Council created the GBB to select the best properties with the greatest impact on preserving wildlife. Council established GBB to be comprised of citizens with expertise in wildlife management, environmental resources, real estate law, land surveying, botany and zoology — and to be unpaid volunteers. GBB members love and want to preserve the lowcountry.
With no interference from politicians on County Council, the GBB voted (in open meetings) on properties they considered important to keep undeveloped and out of the hands of developers and in the domain of wildlife.
Once Council discovered that GBB was buying lands that Councilmen could make money on, Council removed from the GBB the final authority to select these lands.
This unusually political decision occurred during the tenure of Paul Thurmond’s tenure there. Having revoked GBB’s authority and replacing it with Council, GBB is nothing more than a wet sponge. I understand that GBB members are afraid of Council — afraid Council will “retaliate” against GBB members — explaining why GBB members are silent and do not publicly protest Council’s actions.
Councilman Thurmond persuaded Council to ignore the GBB in 2012 and buy swamp land that Thurmond’s law client needed to sell quickly in a divorce settlement. GBB did not want Thurmond’s mosquito-laden swamp land. The Post and Courier editorialized three times that the swamp-land purchase odd, not well researched, overpriced, “rushed,” and ill-advised.
Council now controls all $220 million of this GBB money.
Call it a slush fund.
Democracy at work, yes?
Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury……..
Just want to also add this article into evidence in a “public” manner for you to read …..
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/bribing_his_way_onto_the_ballot_3XFvV67oWZHFo7bVdoCkcO
….Jury members, we want you to consider the information that you have received about the Green “belts” up to this point before trial….
Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury……..
Just want to also add this article into evidence in a “public” manner for you to read …..
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/bribing_his_way_onto_the_ballot_3XFvV67oWZHFo7bVdoCkcO
….Jury members, we want you to consider the information that you have received about the Green “belts” up to this point before trial….
Did anyone proof this before print?
Did anyone proof this before print?