WOW! What a tour de force from Mme. Chief Justice!! This lady knows EXACTLY what she wants to hear and doesn’t want to hear in order to reach her conclusion(s) and ruling(s). She drew up her game plan and will stick to it with fidelity I’m sure.
I’m with FITS (Will, Dylan & Jenn) – H&G have their work cut out.
And a second trial for AM is now pretty-much a pipe-dream.
No, it was ugly, vindictive and totally irrelevant. Says more about you than it does about Judge Toal. I hope I look so good when and if I make it to 80.
I strongly believe that the events surrounding the “egg juror” are extremely relevant to the jury tampering charges.
First, upon learning that this juror was leaning toward a not guilty vote, Becky fabricated a Facebook post in an attempt to have this juror dismissed.
When that didn’t work, a second attempt in the form of a suspicious email from a co-worker of one of Ms Hills tenants, claimed that the egg juror was speaking about the trial during the delivery of a refrigerator. The tenants themselves have come forward to say that the events as they occurred were misstated by SLED. This event was that which resulted in the juror ultimately being removed as Ms Hill desired.
These events themselves must be investigated as there is a very high likelihood that the jury tampering extends to Ms Hills desire to have a juror favorable to Mr Murdaugh removed from the jury.
Perhaps Mr Harpootlian and Mr Griffith need to present this in a different way as an event on its own, but either way, I can’t believe that this is not considered relevant. Everything surrounding the egg jurors removal is suspicious.
You say, “Becky fabricated a Facebook post in an attempt to have this juror dismissed.” Please direct the rest of us to your “evidence” that this is true. How irresponsible you are for saying such gossip and slander without backing it up.
And try to keep up with other facts … it’s Mr. Griffin, not Mr. Griffith.
You must have watched way too much, Perry Mason, Matlock, or LA Law. This is real law, not a Hollywood writers law. Besides, even if “Alex” got a new trial, he would still be found “guilty” as Sin, by any jury with an ounce of common sense!
So pleased with Judges Newman and Toal for standing up to the antics of the Griff, Harpo and Murdaugh circus show, costing South Carolina taxpayers millions. Murdaugh will go on to appeal … let him have it. The overwhelming evidence against him proved he executed his wife and son, and that evidence will stand again.
Night, night, AleX. In your dreams they’ll be until the day you die . . .
Rebecca Shields Top fanJanuary 17, 2024 at 9:24 am
It has been made very clear that the FB post is not the reason the “egg juror” was dismissed. She was dismissed for not following his directions by speaking with people and for lying to Judge Newman.
Toal & Dick used to be pretty tight. I believe Toal blessed $8M in attorney fees to Dick back in the day, courtesy of the taxpayers of SC. This could be the bluster before the bulwarks of the SC Democratic Party circle the wagons and take care of their own. Murdaugh. Everyone could say how tough she was on the case, before she ‘reluctantly’ rolls over and gives them everything they want.
Hard to figure how this issue could be decided without limiting the matter to what Toal ruled. It is a process that is being judged here and not the clerk of court. If the process was biased by Hill or another court official, it can only be discovered by actual juror testimony. Permitting the defense to cross examine jurors or disqualified jurors like the egg lady would open every judicial decision up to endless and pointless appeals and litigation. They gave their verdict and performed their sworn duty as jurors. It would unleash a totally dysfunctional legal precedent if Harpo et al were permitted to badger them as if they were on trial for their verdicts. Even in SC that would be a terrible idea…
Attorney Harpootlian was correct and Judge Toal was wrong, yet again. State v. Green quote “…the Supreme Court of the U.S. has held that “any private communication, contact, or tampering … with a juror during a trial about the matter pending before the jury is … deemed presumptively prejudicial.” Remmer v. United States , 347 U.S. 227, 229(1954). The Court in Remmer concluded: “The presumption is not conclusive, but the burden rests heavily upon the Government to establish … that such contact with the juror was harmless to the defendant.” Id.” I had the misfortune of Toal’s ruling in a case where she claimed to have read the entire record in the 2 days she was on the case (nearly 11 years’ worth filling an entire room in the courthouse) yet missed my attorney’s current motion. I express no opinion about M’s actions, only that it is time to permanently retire J. Toal.
And here is what the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals (includes South Carolina) says on it “Applying the Supreme Court’s decision in Remmer, we established the following burden-shifting approach to considering claims of outside juror contact:
The party who is attacking the verdict bears the initial burden of introducing competent evidence that the extrajudicial communications or contacts were more than innocuous interventions. If this minimal standard is satisfied, the [ Remmer] presumption is triggered automatically. The burden then shifts to the prevailing party to prove that there exists no reasonable possibility that the jury’s verdict was influenced by an improper communication. United States v. Cheek, 94 F.3d 136, 141 (4th Cir. 1996)” U.S. v. Blauvelt, 638 F.3d 281(4th Cir. 2011). And from the 6th Circuit, this comment : “the Government shoulders the burden at a Remmer hearing of showing that the alleged juror bias was harmless and has reaffirmed that defendants are awarded a presumption of prejudice at that hearing. See B. Samantha Helgason, Opening Pandora’s Jury Box , 89 FORDHAM L. REV. 231, 242–43, 249–50 (2020)”. And almost universally, defendant’s attorneys get to ask the questions.
judge toal has made it clear, she is the judge…. and she’s not a drunk like one person commented. i hope she puts this case to bed and lets that murdering husband/father rot in prison for killing them!! and as for the ”egg lady” i saw her in the court room sitting with another woman behind her white haired lawyer that thinks he’s gods gift to women. lol. and judge newman made the right call when he dismissed her for running her mouth. now she’s out for revenge just like many people know. they reminded me of 2 fifth graders sitting there grinning every time prosecutor waters spoke. just so they know, murdaugh wouldn’t wipe his butt on neither one of them.
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WOW! What a tour de force from Mme. Chief Justice!! This lady knows EXACTLY what she wants to hear and doesn’t want to hear in order to reach her conclusion(s) and ruling(s). She drew up her game plan and will stick to it with fidelity I’m sure.
I’m with FITS (Will, Dylan & Jenn) – H&G have their work cut out.
And a second trial for AM is now pretty-much a pipe-dream.
Prosecution must have bought Hugh Leatherman-In-Drag a case of Old Grandad.
OUCH! SC Queen. That comment is both uncalled-for AND unkind. “Let him {her} without sin cast the first stone” to paraphrase John 8:7. ‘Nuff said.
No, it was called for. She is a corrupt old drunk who created much upheaval in courts and courthouses when she was Chief Justice.
No, it was ugly, vindictive and totally irrelevant. Says more about you than it does about Judge Toal. I hope I look so good when and if I make it to 80.
Why so angry and defensive? The old bat suffers from organic brain syndrome And most all senior members of the SC bar know she is an alcoholic
up yours.
i meant the comment ”up yours” for SC QUEEN OF CORRUPTION..
Wow, I never much cared for her honor when she was active but she may change my mind.
I strongly believe that the events surrounding the “egg juror” are extremely relevant to the jury tampering charges.
First, upon learning that this juror was leaning toward a not guilty vote, Becky fabricated a Facebook post in an attempt to have this juror dismissed.
When that didn’t work, a second attempt in the form of a suspicious email from a co-worker of one of Ms Hills tenants, claimed that the egg juror was speaking about the trial during the delivery of a refrigerator. The tenants themselves have come forward to say that the events as they occurred were misstated by SLED. This event was that which resulted in the juror ultimately being removed as Ms Hill desired.
These events themselves must be investigated as there is a very high likelihood that the jury tampering extends to Ms Hills desire to have a juror favorable to Mr Murdaugh removed from the jury.
Perhaps Mr Harpootlian and Mr Griffith need to present this in a different way as an event on its own, but either way, I can’t believe that this is not considered relevant. Everything surrounding the egg jurors removal is suspicious.
You say, “Becky fabricated a Facebook post in an attempt to have this juror dismissed.” Please direct the rest of us to your “evidence” that this is true. How irresponsible you are for saying such gossip and slander without backing it up.
And try to keep up with other facts … it’s Mr. Griffin, not Mr. Griffith.
You must have watched way too much, Perry Mason, Matlock, or LA Law. This is real law, not a Hollywood writers law. Besides, even if “Alex” got a new trial, he would still be found “guilty” as Sin, by any jury with an ounce of common sense!
GOODY3,, UP YOURS!
So pleased with Judges Newman and Toal for standing up to the antics of the Griff, Harpo and Murdaugh circus show, costing South Carolina taxpayers millions. Murdaugh will go on to appeal … let him have it. The overwhelming evidence against him proved he executed his wife and son, and that evidence will stand again.
Night, night, AleX. In your dreams they’ll be until the day you die . . .
It has been made very clear that the FB post is not the reason the “egg juror” was dismissed. She was dismissed for not following his directions by speaking with people and for lying to Judge Newman.
Toal & Dick used to be pretty tight. I believe Toal blessed $8M in attorney fees to Dick back in the day, courtesy of the taxpayers of SC. This could be the bluster before the bulwarks of the SC Democratic Party circle the wagons and take care of their own. Murdaugh. Everyone could say how tough she was on the case, before she ‘reluctantly’ rolls over and gives them everything they want.
Someone sees how things are really done with these crooks!
Hard to figure how this issue could be decided without limiting the matter to what Toal ruled. It is a process that is being judged here and not the clerk of court. If the process was biased by Hill or another court official, it can only be discovered by actual juror testimony. Permitting the defense to cross examine jurors or disqualified jurors like the egg lady would open every judicial decision up to endless and pointless appeals and litigation. They gave their verdict and performed their sworn duty as jurors. It would unleash a totally dysfunctional legal precedent if Harpo et al were permitted to badger them as if they were on trial for their verdicts. Even in SC that would be a terrible idea…
A notorious alcoholic sits on the bench again!!!!!
Shhhhh… You are supposed to ignore that part of hit and run Jean’s persona.
Attorney Harpootlian was correct and Judge Toal was wrong, yet again. State v. Green quote “…the Supreme Court of the U.S. has held that “any private communication, contact, or tampering … with a juror during a trial about the matter pending before the jury is … deemed presumptively prejudicial.” Remmer v. United States , 347 U.S. 227, 229(1954). The Court in Remmer concluded: “The presumption is not conclusive, but the burden rests heavily upon the Government to establish … that such contact with the juror was harmless to the defendant.” Id.” I had the misfortune of Toal’s ruling in a case where she claimed to have read the entire record in the 2 days she was on the case (nearly 11 years’ worth filling an entire room in the courthouse) yet missed my attorney’s current motion. I express no opinion about M’s actions, only that it is time to permanently retire J. Toal.
And here is what the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals (includes South Carolina) says on it “Applying the Supreme Court’s decision in Remmer, we established the following burden-shifting approach to considering claims of outside juror contact:
The party who is attacking the verdict bears the initial burden of introducing competent evidence that the extrajudicial communications or contacts were more than innocuous interventions. If this minimal standard is satisfied, the [ Remmer] presumption is triggered automatically. The burden then shifts to the prevailing party to prove that there exists no reasonable possibility that the jury’s verdict was influenced by an improper communication. United States v. Cheek, 94 F.3d 136, 141 (4th Cir. 1996)” U.S. v. Blauvelt, 638 F.3d 281(4th Cir. 2011). And from the 6th Circuit, this comment : “the Government shoulders the burden at a Remmer hearing of showing that the alleged juror bias was harmless and has reaffirmed that defendants are awarded a presumption of prejudice at that hearing. See B. Samantha Helgason, Opening Pandora’s Jury Box , 89 FORDHAM L. REV. 231, 242–43, 249–50 (2020)”. And almost universally, defendant’s attorneys get to ask the questions.
It’s time to let him serve his life sentence because he killed his wife and son and focus on the other crimes like Stephen Smith case
judge toal has made it clear, she is the judge…. and she’s not a drunk like one person commented. i hope she puts this case to bed and lets that murdering husband/father rot in prison for killing them!! and as for the ”egg lady” i saw her in the court room sitting with another woman behind her white haired lawyer that thinks he’s gods gift to women. lol. and judge newman made the right call when he dismissed her for running her mouth. now she’s out for revenge just like many people know. they reminded me of 2 fifth graders sitting there grinning every time prosecutor waters spoke. just so they know, murdaugh wouldn’t wipe his butt on neither one of them.
Why do you lie so much? We should subpoena FitsNews’ records for your ISP and any other records, like the MAC address for any and all devices you use