Janelle Austin Top fanFebruary 17, 2023 at 8:09 am
As convinced as I am that he is guilty, the prosecution has not proven that Alex is the one who pulled the trigger on either victim. No doubt he was there, but his presence at the time of the murders is not what he’s being tried for.
So you wanted then to try him for “accessory to murder” instead ? Would you convict him of that ?? Think of it as possibility vs probability, Is it “possible” someone else shot them (Yes), Is it “probable” someone else shot them (No–beyond a reasonable doubt met).
Also, if he is so innocent, why wouldn’t he simply hand the police the “boat shoes” the night nurse saw him wearing at his momma’s house yet didn’t have on 30 minutes later when the police come (tennis shoes) and also hand them the “tree” video clothes he had on an hour before the murders in the tree video but didn’t have on an hour after the murders? He can’t because he had to get rid of them.
Alleged Alex was even worse than I thought. Staggered rounds and dancing around at different angles trying to make it look like a Cowboy cartel hit. He must have backed up the shotgun butt on the ground for Paul’s kill shot.
No, the low angle 2nd shot on Paul is because the shooter is shocked that Paul didn’t drop from the first shot and is staggering toward the door. The shooter has to quickly back up to avoid Paul falling on him, and the shooter trips on the door sill and falls to the ground. Thus the low angle on the 2nd shot is because the shooter fell to the ground
I believe in Waters opening statement, he acknowledged the case relied heavily on circumstantial evidence. Remember the analogy of concluding it had rained despite seeing it with your own eyes?
QUESTION: Has anyone addressed the amount of Hydrocodone $50-60k per week, will buy? I searched the internet and it states a quality pill (of main ingredient) gets a street value of $25 per pill. 120 pills at $25 a pill is $3000 a week – If he took 120 pills each day, multiplied by seven days per week, multiplied by $25 per pill = $17,500 – How many pills can a person take and still have room in their gut???
I think he was taking some Hydrocodone… but he MUST have been taking something much more expensive! Why hasn’t anyone caught this issue?
Surprised state did not address time of death in their case in general . It now exist a major loose end for defense to grab and go with . The issues of phone use stopping proves nothing . Do you believe beyond a reasonable doubt that Alex on certain date etc . If you have reasonable doubt you must return verdict of not guilty . Also in last 38 years been involved several murder cases and never seen one with so much time spent on such a less than obvious motive . Also with each witness came testimony of a son who was the apple of his fathers eye and a loving marriage . Also , jury knows if they return verdict of not guilty he still going prison for very long time .Dont kid yourself ,can make big difference .
Kinda agree on the “still going to prison” fall back position. Probably the smartest thing Harpootlian has done all trial was emphasing that “Alex confessed to crimes that could land him in prison for the rest of his life…”. If the jury was paying attention and appreciated what he was saying, I could definitely see them using that in their deliberations.
Also Gx FITSNews has not mentioned it but ,correct me if I am wrong , corner testified today that victims could have died between 8 pm and 10 pm . Some questioned why he was called to stand . As I say talk about something to run with . If can’t prove time death case becomes house of cards . About to see two excellent attorneys turned loose on circumstantial case with 300000 dollar plus expert witness budget .Debating driving down next week to watch some of this live . Kentucky not that far away .
Anyone else curious about the green pills found in Alex’s computer bag? Large quantities of cold meds, isn’t that an ingredient in meth? And purple drank or whatever they call it? That paired with the 911 call where Alex mumbles something about Paul aka the little detective why’d you have to get involved? Possible Alex, in his quest to stash and hide money was trying to sling some drugs, like generations before?
Also Gx FITSNews has not mentioned it but ,correct me if I am wrong , corner testified today that victims could have died between 8 pm and 10 pm . Some questioned why he was called to stand . As I say talk about something to run with . If can’t prove time death case becomes house of cards . About to see two excellent attorneys turned loose on circumstantial case with 300000 dollar plus expert witness budget .Debating driving down next week to watch some of this live . Kentucky not that far away . Ps may see inventor of 300 blackout testify extractor rod is not unique on rifle and thus has no traceable component , out goes the Theory of guns from home .
Yeah, i don’t find that possible timeframe very compelling. We know the shooting didnt happen before 8:44 (time of video). So, you condense that 2 hour “possibility” down to an hour, 15 minutes. Then you have their cellphones ceasing activity 5 minutes after the video at 8:49. And, then Maggie’s phone has an orientation change shortly after that (face recognition doesnt work). Based on all of that, I just don’t think it’s reasonable to believe that they died any later than 9:00 pm.
So, if the jury really dives into the details of what the evidence shows (as opposed to just listening to the defense throw stuff against the wall) I don’t know how they can conclude anything other than the deaths happened between 8:49pm and 9:00pm—while Alex was still on the property.
As to the .300 rifle, while I agree that the defense’s hired experts will criticize the conclusions drawn by SLED, I still believe it’s credible testimony that the shell casings found by Maggie’s body and at other parts of the property shared the same markings, suggesting that they were fired from the same rifle. Additionally, based on those markings, they were able to rule out the .300 rifle that was still at the main house—because, they couldn’t recreate the same casing markings with that gun during test firing. That tells me that there is at least some “uniqueness” between rifles.
Kathleen Bounds Top fanFebruary 18, 2023 at 11:41 am
As POOT said in response to Hizzoner – “Ready to rock and roll” with the defense’s case in chief. That leads me -and many others I imagine – to ponder whether AM will take the stand.
Any chance of adding that question to the morning polls regarding guilt/innocence? Just a thought.
If putting up Old Man River to explain his Mary Katherine Gallagher armpit test is “rockin and rollin”, ole Alec’ is in trouble. Not what I would call a blazing start for the Defense.
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As convinced as I am that he is guilty, the prosecution has not proven that Alex is the one who pulled the trigger on either victim. No doubt he was there, but his presence at the time of the murders is not what he’s being tried for.
Im with you Janelle…I am over the gray….I need something to say YES he definitely pulled the triggers…or NOPE there is no way.
So you wanted then to try him for “accessory to murder” instead ? Would you convict him of that ?? Think of it as possibility vs probability, Is it “possible” someone else shot them (Yes), Is it “probable” someone else shot them (No–beyond a reasonable doubt met).
Also, if he is so innocent, why wouldn’t he simply hand the police the “boat shoes” the night nurse saw him wearing at his momma’s house yet didn’t have on 30 minutes later when the police come (tennis shoes) and also hand them the “tree” video clothes he had on an hour before the murders in the tree video but didn’t have on an hour after the murders? He can’t because he had to get rid of them.
Alleged Alex was even worse than I thought. Staggered rounds and dancing around at different angles trying to make it look like a Cowboy cartel hit. He must have backed up the shotgun butt on the ground for Paul’s kill shot.
No, the low angle 2nd shot on Paul is because the shooter is shocked that Paul didn’t drop from the first shot and is staggering toward the door. The shooter has to quickly back up to avoid Paul falling on him, and the shooter trips on the door sill and falls to the ground. Thus the low angle on the 2nd shot is because the shooter fell to the ground
Please add a second Google link for the chart on the right (red row at bottom).
Nevermind. I can see it all now. Thanks.
Please delete my comments.
I believe in Waters opening statement, he acknowledged the case relied heavily on circumstantial evidence. Remember the analogy of concluding it had rained despite seeing it with your own eyes?
this timeline is pretty compelling in terms of guilt
It is not necessary to prove someone “pulled the trigger” to prove murder. How can people be so clueless?
White Bronco slow not black Suburban fast, let that be a lesson to you Alex.
QUESTION: Has anyone addressed the amount of Hydrocodone $50-60k per week, will buy? I searched the internet and it states a quality pill (of main ingredient) gets a street value of $25 per pill. 120 pills at $25 a pill is $3000 a week – If he took 120 pills each day, multiplied by seven days per week, multiplied by $25 per pill = $17,500 – How many pills can a person take and still have room in their gut???
I think he was taking some Hydrocodone… but he MUST have been taking something much more expensive! Why hasn’t anyone caught this issue?
I can’t remember from Alex bank records, was there $600,000 deposited and withdrawn around June 7th?
“4:20 p.m. EST – No additional questions from the state for Harvey … not sure why he was called.”
He was called to make the investigators look like boobs – he was successful but SLED had already taken care of that.
Surprised state did not address time of death in their case in general . It now exist a major loose end for defense to grab and go with . The issues of phone use stopping proves nothing . Do you believe beyond a reasonable doubt that Alex on certain date etc . If you have reasonable doubt you must return verdict of not guilty . Also in last 38 years been involved several murder cases and never seen one with so much time spent on such a less than obvious motive . Also with each witness came testimony of a son who was the apple of his fathers eye and a loving marriage . Also , jury knows if they return verdict of not guilty he still going prison for very long time .Dont kid yourself ,can make big difference .
Kinda agree on the “still going to prison” fall back position. Probably the smartest thing Harpootlian has done all trial was emphasing that “Alex confessed to crimes that could land him in prison for the rest of his life…”. If the jury was paying attention and appreciated what he was saying, I could definitely see them using that in their deliberations.
Also Gx FITSNews has not mentioned it but ,correct me if I am wrong , corner testified today that victims could have died between 8 pm and 10 pm . Some questioned why he was called to stand . As I say talk about something to run with . If can’t prove time death case becomes house of cards . About to see two excellent attorneys turned loose on circumstantial case with 300000 dollar plus expert witness budget .Debating driving down next week to watch some of this live . Kentucky not that far away .
Anyone else curious about the green pills found in Alex’s computer bag? Large quantities of cold meds, isn’t that an ingredient in meth? And purple drank or whatever they call it? That paired with the 911 call where Alex mumbles something about Paul aka the little detective why’d you have to get involved? Possible Alex, in his quest to stash and hide money was trying to sling some drugs, like generations before?
Also Gx FITSNews has not mentioned it but ,correct me if I am wrong , corner testified today that victims could have died between 8 pm and 10 pm . Some questioned why he was called to stand . As I say talk about something to run with . If can’t prove time death case becomes house of cards . About to see two excellent attorneys turned loose on circumstantial case with 300000 dollar plus expert witness budget .Debating driving down next week to watch some of this live . Kentucky not that far away . Ps may see inventor of 300 blackout testify extractor rod is not unique on rifle and thus has no traceable component , out goes the Theory of guns from home .
Yeah, i don’t find that possible timeframe very compelling. We know the shooting didnt happen before 8:44 (time of video). So, you condense that 2 hour “possibility” down to an hour, 15 minutes. Then you have their cellphones ceasing activity 5 minutes after the video at 8:49. And, then Maggie’s phone has an orientation change shortly after that (face recognition doesnt work). Based on all of that, I just don’t think it’s reasonable to believe that they died any later than 9:00 pm.
So, if the jury really dives into the details of what the evidence shows (as opposed to just listening to the defense throw stuff against the wall) I don’t know how they can conclude anything other than the deaths happened between 8:49pm and 9:00pm—while Alex was still on the property.
As to the .300 rifle, while I agree that the defense’s hired experts will criticize the conclusions drawn by SLED, I still believe it’s credible testimony that the shell casings found by Maggie’s body and at other parts of the property shared the same markings, suggesting that they were fired from the same rifle. Additionally, based on those markings, they were able to rule out the .300 rifle that was still at the main house—because, they couldn’t recreate the same casing markings with that gun during test firing. That tells me that there is at least some “uniqueness” between rifles.
As POOT said in response to Hizzoner – “Ready to rock and roll” with the defense’s case in chief. That leads me -and many others I imagine – to ponder whether AM will take the stand.
Any chance of adding that question to the morning polls regarding guilt/innocence? Just a thought.
Keep up y’all’s great work!
If putting up Old Man River to explain his Mary Katherine Gallagher armpit test is “rockin and rollin”, ole Alec’ is in trouble. Not what I would call a blazing start for the Defense.