American Politics: Total Chaos
2016: ALREADY A YEAR LIKE NO OTHER The American electorate is in upheaval. Inside (and outside) ofYou must Subscribe or log in to read the rest of this content.
2016: ALREADY A YEAR LIKE NO OTHER The American electorate is in upheaval. Inside (and outside) ofYou must Subscribe or log in to read the rest of this content.
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Trump: Really America?
Cruz, Rubio: Really America?
Carson, Kasich: Really America?
Clinton: Really America?
Sanders, Really Flip?
Yep! I voted for Sanders. When Hillary takes the throne I won’t regret voting for him like the Trump supporters will regret voting for Trump.
You mean it’s not going to piss you off you didn’t get all the free stuff?
No one who supports Sanders thinks they are getting free stuff. That is really dishonest of you to say that’s why I support him.
I’ve already been to college so whatever happens to college tuition doesn’t affect me, but I don’t want our children and grandchildren to have to rack up huge amounts of debt just to go to college.
I have health insurance so I’m not in need of Medicare for all, but Medicare for all will help others who don’t have a way of buying insurance.
Maybe Sanders supporters just want a system that works? I can’t speak for all of them but that’s what I support him for.
“I can’t speak for all of them but that’s what I support him for.”, sure sounds like you are…”No one who supports Sanders thinks they are getting free stuff”.
I can change that to “no one I have met who supports Sanders thinks they are getting free stuff” if it makes you feel better. A number of things he is proposing he wants to pay for by small increases in payroll tax so at least a portion would be paid by everyone.
Change it to whatever you want they’re your words.
Why do you think I should pay for things he is proposing? Sorry Flip, I don’t care what you or anyone else does as long as you and they pay for it. We are $19 trillion in debt what is acceptable to you?
Society should work together to benefit the whole of society, which means everyone should chip in. Right now a majority of the society works for the benefit of a very small minority.
$19 trillion in debt, we started going down this road since Reagan and went faster downhill starting with Bush. Maybe we should take a look at fixing whatever they broke.
Ah yes, Socialism…Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.
Are you kidding me, Reagan, it started with Reagan you need to look a little further back.
Google for a chart of the national debt over the last 50 years. Once Reagan was sworn in it started a steep incline.
I remember before Reagan and how the debt was increasing, I like many other didn’t like it then and like it even less now. You ever heard of Derksen?
Also I did not call for socialism, nor have I called for it. Bernie is not socialist. We do not need to seize private property to build a system that cares for the basic needs of the people.
Gotta go do some yard work, can’t afford to hire it done, paying too much taking care of the basic needs of people.
Have a nice day Flip.
BTW Saying Sanders isn’t a socialist doesn’t make is so, especially when it’s coming from a socialist.
“I don’t want our children and grandchildren to have to rack up huge amounts of debt just to go to college.”
Who’s going to pay for that if not the parents/kids?
Has there ever been a case when the government enters a market where prices dropped long term?
It wasn’t long ago where public colleges were far cheaper than their private counterparts.
Ok, so what’s changed? (setting aside who pays for that for a moment)
Student loans both private and public, states draining funding for higher ed, states not instituting better controls on public college spending habits and tuition rate hikes.
“Student loans both private and public”
What do you mean by this?
I’d separate the two because private loans typically have a higher interest rate, which makes them slightly worse than regular student loans. Either way both allow colleges to shift unreasonable costs onto students who have been told their whole lives that the only way they will be successful is to take them on.
Ok, I don’t know too many college attendees that take “private loans”, in fact, I actually know of “zero”-
They are all loans from government favored banks(BofA, Citi, etc.) that are guaranteed by the government/taxpayer.
If I understand your argument right, you are saying in essence that a failure of government control at all levels has resulted in exorbitant tuition levels. Is that correct?
My understanding is that private student loans are not guaranteed by the government, which is why the interest rates are higher. That’s not to say the banks wouldn’t pay politicians to bail them out though if the bubble crashes.
I believe student loans is the main culprit with public college tuition skyrocketing. If the general public didn’t have a way to afford public college they would push hard for government to do something about it. No doubt that politicians shifting funding away from higher ed to pay for other things or state governments not instituting better oversight on state colleges has made an impact, but as long as you can sign a paper and “afford” to go to college the public won’t go up in an uproar until the bubble pops, and it will pop.
“My understanding is that private student loans are not guaranteed by the government, which is why the interest rates are higher. ”
Ok, but that has nothing to do with the market prevalence of Federally back loans.
According to wiki, 80% of student loans are Federally backed and not private:
“In June 2010, the amount of student loan debt held by Americans exceeded the amount of credit card debt held by Americans.[59] At that time, student loan debt totaled at least $830 billion, of which approximately 80% was federal student loan debt and 20% was private student loan debt. ”
Even further, the % may now be higher!
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324469304578145092893766844
“I believe student loans is the main culprit with public college tuition skyrocketing.”
I agree with you, but how you can suggest that a failure in government/central planning can be fixed by:
More government/central planning
…is beyond me.
Sanders: Not Really America.
Sanders: What America Really Could Be
Everyone Else: Symptom Of What America Has Fallen Into
I for one am really glad it won’t be.
It is an inevitability that humanity will progress, it has to, our survival depends on it. If it makes you happy it probably won’t happen in your lifetime, but I sure hope it does in mine.
Republics decline into democracies and democracies degenerate into despotisms. ~ Aristotle
That’s a great quote, but I’m talking about humanity, not a government that hasn’t reached it’s 250th birthday yet.
The Roman empire is long gone but the city of Rome still exists.
If I have to be pushed in with the Republicans sign me up on the “Outsider” half. I definitely considered myself Conservative, until lately, as I see so many single issue whackos crowing about their Family Values and Conservatism, so i must be lower case conservative. Voted Democrat in the 80’s and 90’s (except Presidential) until the local Party went full blown nutty Liberal.
I think we over analyze. I think there is three groups. Far left, moderate Dems/Repubs, scared angry white people who can’t understand why it’s not still 1983, who believe Michael Jackson and Scalia were murdered by the New World Order, and can’t understand why they can’t get their job back at the plant as the wheel putter-on-er.
Reporter 1 – “The cult members seem totally brainwashed, and still place their blind faith in a false savior offering hollow promises of salvation!
Reporter 2 – “And that concludes our report from the White House.
As I’ve said before, you need to find a new “operative.” If he thinks Trump appeals to “half the electorate,” he’s stupider than you. No mean feat, that. Trump would be lucky to get 150 electoral votes against the weakest Democrat candidate since Dukakis.
Trump would be lucky to get 150 electoral votes against the weakest Democrat candidate since Dukakis.
Boy are you in for a surprise.
The only way the Dems can even make it close is if Bernie and Hillary unite behind some other candidate, such as Biden.
If not, Trump wins.
Yuuuuge.
I think it will energize the Dem base. Big turn out of folks voting against Trump (most, while holding their noses to be sure).
TBG suspects Trump will draw a fair amount of support from the Dem base.
Controlling our border, thus protecting American jobs, is not an anathema to most working class Democrats. Neither is a less interventionist foreign policy.
Much to TBG’s chagrin, on many other issues, Trump is much closer to mainstream Dem dogma than to conservatism or libertarianism.
But he’s entertaining, seems to be unbeholden the establishment, is decent on immigration, non-interventionism and has no patience for ”politically correct” BS. That’s good enough for TBG and probably many who traditionally vote Democrat.
I just don’t see it. Time will tell though! Certainly will be entertaining.
Trump, if he wins the GOP, will likely win by a landslide in the General. If he can get the GOP disgruntled chickens to come home to roost – and he likely will once he starts playing Benghazi “what difference does it make” commercials and email felony commercials against Hillary in the General – all the while playing up to the economic concerns of white blue collar workers (who’ve traditionally voted democrat), he’ll steamroll her.
After his August court appearances for Trump U his own wife won’t vote for him.
We shall see.
Certainly will be entertaining.
Agreed.
Not sure about that, but it will cause a lot of Republicans who love America to not vote at all. Remember Palin’s handler – who refused to vote.
Not a chance in Hell. He’s had it easy in the primaries, until just recently. The other candidates were afraid of alienating his supporters. Clinton and the Democrats have no such constraints. He has no concept of the whirlwind that will be unleashed on him. It won’t be close.
He has no concept of the whirlwind that will be unleashed on him.
Trump IS the whirlwind, Chief.
Donald Trump in 2016 reminds TBG a lot of Les Miles in 2007…
He’s riled up a minority of Republican primary voters. He’s also permanently alienated a minority of Republican primary voters. It’s very, very hard for a Republican to win a general election for president in the best of circumstances, with a broadly appealing candidate. He’s going to get waxed. He’ll do better than Dukakis, so there’s that.
What’s Hilliary going to say when The Donald starts bringing up hubby, his lip biting proclivities and general sexual predatorial behavior towards women in general in the most uncouth and unapologetic manner possible- in front of millions on TV?!?!
Are you really so sure that Hilliary is going to “handle” him like she handles her husband or her husband’s bimbo eruptions?
Oh the irony of you discussing the threat of “no constraints” in regard to someone has literally places none on his own behavior…someone who literally has no shame.
Look, you seem fairly intelligent, but you really have got this all wrong. Hilliary can’t survive wallowing in the mud with Donald Trump.
The polling today is absolutely no indication of what would happen after a few debates between the two of them.
First, it’s old news. Second, Trump’s as bad or worse in the scumbag sweepstakes.
Most GOPers are not very principled, so even though they bitch and moan that Trump isn’t conservative, at the end of the day when it’s a choice between him and Hillary they will cast their vote for Trump. (but they’ll bitch the whole time)
That all assumes the GOP doesn’t snatch the nomination from him via brokered convention or shenanigans like back in 52′- and they just might.
We could be witnessing the birth of a new party if the GOP establishment chooses the scorched earth policy.
It’s all quite exciting.
And Justice Thomas asks his first question from the bench because justice Scalia is no longer there to do his homework for him. …Are you gonna drink all that Coke, young lady!?
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/01/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-poll/index.html
National poll: Clinton, Sanders both top Trump
ouch
And the election is in Nov. Don’t count your chickens before the eggs hatch.
So true on so many levels. I’d advise you to do the same ;)
…only 4 months ago Ben Carson was leading the polls in the GOP primary…lol…Ben Carson.
There will be Republican establishment chaos tonight. Trump is going to win the nomination and the election. Time to get on the bandwagon or get out of the way.
That’s nice Pogo.
“rabid socialists backing Bernie Sanders”
They may or not be that — but I know for a fact that they are trained in their rabid socialism and I know at least four who are Ted Cruz plants. They have been planted in my family. Gracias. Not.
I hope Trumps tears Washington in two, and then we can toss him out and start to rebuild. The Federal Government can get worse.
Damn Trump is gonna put Hillary Clinton in office. The asshole.