National Politics - 2016

American Politics: Total Chaos

2016: ALREADY A YEAR LIKE NO OTHER The American electorate is in upheaval.  Inside (and outside) of both major establishment parties, populism is surging – creating real problems for the status quo’s “candidates of choice.”  By the end of today – Super Tuesday 2016 – those problems could become even…

2016: ALREADY A YEAR LIKE NO OTHER

The American electorate is in upheaval.  Inside (and outside) of both major establishment parties, populism is surging – creating real problems for the status quo’s “candidates of choice.”  By the end of today – Super Tuesday 2016 – those problems could become even more pronounced for the “Republican” party, which is in the midst of a full-on nuclear meltdown.

Recently we did a post breaking down the current U.S. electorate into five groups: The rabid socialists backing Bernie Sanders, the status quo Democrats backing Hillary Clinton, the establishment “Republicans” supporting Marco Rubio, the strident evangelicals supporting Ted Cruz and the angry conservatives fueling the candidacy of Donald Trump.

Is this candidate-based division of voters on target?

We checked in recently with our “DC Op” – the mysterious “veteran Washington, D.C. operative” we’ve written of in prior posts – to see what he thought of the situation.

Here’s what he had to say …

I think you are basically right but it’s even more complicated.  The ideological labels don’t seem to have the same relevance any more. John Boehner was a “conservative” so what the heck does that word mean?  George W. Bush was a conservative but look how that turned out.

The GOP primary electorate is split almost exactly in half.  On one side, you have people who are afraid of Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders winning.  On the other side are people who are terrified the Republicans might win – and that it won’t matter.  This seems to have manifested itself into half of the electorate wanting someone who has little to do with the Republican Party – who is an “outsider” and at least stands the chance of not becoming another corrupt big government scumbag.   These people are more blue collar and I’ll bet they view the economy in much more dire terms.  A lot of them are ideological conservatives but a lot of them really don’t know what they are.  They know the government sucks and that things need to change fast.  These people can be kind of moderate, kind of conservative, kind of libertarian.  Politics isn’t a hobby for them – in fact they think ideologues are part of the problem.  Because, after all, aren’t those Republican loons in the Congress “ideologues?” They say they are and look how that’s turned out.

The other half of the electorate is really what is now “the establishment.”  They know things are bad but they think everything can be fixed with the right kind of Republican in the White House.  They don’t want big changes.  Generally, these people are what you would consider “moderate” Chamber of Commerce types.  Government’s role to them is to grease the skids for business.  However there are a lot of people in this group who either really, really care about the Republican Party and truly see themselves as “movement conservatives” or they are profoundly devout Christians who only care about voting for the most Godly candidate.  The Lord will then provide.  These two groups don’t want radical change, either, nor do they want to take any risks with this election.  And they certainly don’t want some outsider redecorating their clubhouse or someone who doesn’t go to church twice a week polluting their party.

So … where do the candidates fall on this grid?  Who is drawing votes from which half of the electorate?  And how does it all play out?

Trump is clearly the outsider – and is dominating with the first group.  Roughly half of Ben Carson’s vote comes from the outsider group.  Some of Ted Cruz’s vote comes from that half, too, however last November Cruz decided he was no longer going to play the role of “sane Donald Trump” and went to war with America’s favorite billionaire.

Cruz repositioned himself as the leader of the most devout evangelicals and the conservative hobbyists who desperately care about “the movement.” Both of these groups fall on the insider side of the line.  The problem is, that cohort is tiny.  It’s big enough in Iowa to win – but practically nowhere else.  And so Cruz turned himself into a niche candidate like Santorum and Huckabee – leaving all the pissed off voters in the “outsider” half of the electorate to Trump.  And Trump, being the master marketer that he is, was more than happy to help Cruz stuff himself into the crowded insider half of the electorate – leaving him with a much larger, less contested pool of voters.

Marco Rubio positioned himself as the new establishment candidate and set about trying to secure votes in the “non-outsider” half of the electorate as well – running a typically, dusty old playbook GOP campaign.  Cruz took the militant evangelicals and the few conservative hobbyists leaving Rubio scrapping with Bush, Kasich and Christie for the traditional business moderates.

So that is where we are now.  Trump is taking a very large majority of the outsider half of the electorate while the other guys fight amongst themselves for the insider half.  And since it’s almost impossible to get the militantly devout evangelicals and the Chamber of Commerce types to agree on anything, the insider half of the electorate is at war with itself.  Advantage Trump.  He has a much, much greater upside than people realize.  He just seems nuts.

Ok … what about the Democrats?  What is the breakdown among their voters?

On the left it’s a fight between reasonably wealthy ideological white liberals who are pissed Barack Obama didn’t do squat to bring about the socialist utopia – and the minorities who are at the moment teamed up with the crooks running the Democratic Party.  The white liberals are having a hard time turning out their vote, however, and the Democratic Party is now dominated by minorities since all the blue collar whites were effectively expelled by Obama.  It’s going to be increasingly difficult for a white hippie liberal college professor who wants to discuss atheism and transgendered string theory all day to do so in a party that is owned by African Americans and Hispanics. Oddly enough, the minorities may eventually moderate the Democratic Party once they take over. That’s when things will get really interesting.

What do you think of “DC Op’s” analysis?  Is he right?  Is he full of it?

Share your thoughts on the current status of the American electorate in our comments section below …

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58 comments

Flip March 1, 2016 at 8:23 am

Trump: Really America?

Cruz, Rubio: Really America?

Carson, Kasich: Really America?

Clinton: Really America?

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idcydm March 1, 2016 at 8:37 am

Sanders, Really Flip?

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Flip March 1, 2016 at 10:02 am

Yep! I voted for Sanders. When Hillary takes the throne I won’t regret voting for him like the Trump supporters will regret voting for Trump.

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idcydm March 1, 2016 at 10:04 am

You mean it’s not going to piss you off you didn’t get all the free stuff?

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Flip March 1, 2016 at 10:07 am

No one who supports Sanders thinks they are getting free stuff. That is really dishonest of you to say that’s why I support him.

I’ve already been to college so whatever happens to college tuition doesn’t affect me, but I don’t want our children and grandchildren to have to rack up huge amounts of debt just to go to college.

I have health insurance so I’m not in need of Medicare for all, but Medicare for all will help others who don’t have a way of buying insurance.

Maybe Sanders supporters just want a system that works? I can’t speak for all of them but that’s what I support him for.

idcydm March 1, 2016 at 10:11 am

“I can’t speak for all of them but that’s what I support him for.”, sure sounds like you are…”No one who supports Sanders thinks they are getting free stuff”.

Flip March 1, 2016 at 10:17 am

I can change that to “no one I have met who supports Sanders thinks they are getting free stuff” if it makes you feel better. A number of things he is proposing he wants to pay for by small increases in payroll tax so at least a portion would be paid by everyone.

idcydm March 1, 2016 at 10:43 am

Change it to whatever you want they’re your words.

Why do you think I should pay for things he is proposing? Sorry Flip, I don’t care what you or anyone else does as long as you and they pay for it. We are $19 trillion in debt what is acceptable to you?

Flip March 1, 2016 at 10:48 am

Society should work together to benefit the whole of society, which means everyone should chip in. Right now a majority of the society works for the benefit of a very small minority.

$19 trillion in debt, we started going down this road since Reagan and went faster downhill starting with Bush. Maybe we should take a look at fixing whatever they broke.

idcydm March 1, 2016 at 10:55 am

Ah yes, Socialism…Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

Are you kidding me, Reagan, it started with Reagan you need to look a little further back.

Flip March 1, 2016 at 10:57 am

Google for a chart of the national debt over the last 50 years. Once Reagan was sworn in it started a steep incline.

idcydm March 1, 2016 at 11:05 am

I remember before Reagan and how the debt was increasing, I like many other didn’t like it then and like it even less now. You ever heard of Derksen?

Flip March 1, 2016 at 11:02 am

Also I did not call for socialism, nor have I called for it. Bernie is not socialist. We do not need to seize private property to build a system that cares for the basic needs of the people.

idcydm March 1, 2016 at 11:12 am

Gotta go do some yard work, can’t afford to hire it done, paying too much taking care of the basic needs of people.

Have a nice day Flip.

BTW Saying Sanders isn’t a socialist doesn’t make is so, especially when it’s coming from a socialist.

Huh? March 1, 2016 at 10:12 am

“I don’t want our children and grandchildren to have to rack up huge amounts of debt just to go to college.”

Who’s going to pay for that if not the parents/kids?

Has there ever been a case when the government enters a market where prices dropped long term?

Flip March 1, 2016 at 10:13 am

It wasn’t long ago where public colleges were far cheaper than their private counterparts.

Huh? March 1, 2016 at 10:17 am

Ok, so what’s changed? (setting aside who pays for that for a moment)

Flip March 1, 2016 at 10:19 am

Student loans both private and public, states draining funding for higher ed, states not instituting better controls on public college spending habits and tuition rate hikes.

Huh? March 1, 2016 at 10:21 am

“Student loans both private and public”

What do you mean by this?

Flip March 1, 2016 at 10:26 am

I’d separate the two because private loans typically have a higher interest rate, which makes them slightly worse than regular student loans. Either way both allow colleges to shift unreasonable costs onto students who have been told their whole lives that the only way they will be successful is to take them on.

Huh? March 1, 2016 at 10:30 am

Ok, I don’t know too many college attendees that take “private loans”, in fact, I actually know of “zero”-

They are all loans from government favored banks(BofA, Citi, etc.) that are guaranteed by the government/taxpayer.

If I understand your argument right, you are saying in essence that a failure of government control at all levels has resulted in exorbitant tuition levels. Is that correct?

Flip March 1, 2016 at 10:43 am

My understanding is that private student loans are not guaranteed by the government, which is why the interest rates are higher. That’s not to say the banks wouldn’t pay politicians to bail them out though if the bubble crashes.

I believe student loans is the main culprit with public college tuition skyrocketing. If the general public didn’t have a way to afford public college they would push hard for government to do something about it. No doubt that politicians shifting funding away from higher ed to pay for other things or state governments not instituting better oversight on state colleges has made an impact, but as long as you can sign a paper and “afford” to go to college the public won’t go up in an uproar until the bubble pops, and it will pop.

Huh? March 1, 2016 at 1:47 pm

“My understanding is that private student loans are not guaranteed by the government, which is why the interest rates are higher. ”

Ok, but that has nothing to do with the market prevalence of Federally back loans.

According to wiki, 80% of student loans are Federally backed and not private:

“In June 2010, the amount of student loan debt held by Americans exceeded the amount of credit card debt held by Americans.[59] At that time, student loan debt totaled at least $830 billion, of which approximately 80% was federal student loan debt and 20% was private student loan debt. ”

Even further, the % may now be higher!

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324469304578145092893766844

“I believe student loans is the main culprit with public college tuition skyrocketing.”

I agree with you, but how you can suggest that a failure in government/central planning can be fixed by:

More government/central planning

…is beyond me.

Tazmaniac March 1, 2016 at 9:35 am

Sanders: Not Really America.

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Flip March 1, 2016 at 10:05 am

Sanders: What America Really Could Be

Everyone Else: Symptom Of What America Has Fallen Into

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idcydm March 1, 2016 at 10:06 am

I for one am really glad it won’t be.

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Flip March 1, 2016 at 10:09 am

It is an inevitability that humanity will progress, it has to, our survival depends on it. If it makes you happy it probably won’t happen in your lifetime, but I sure hope it does in mine.

idcydm March 1, 2016 at 10:14 am

Republics decline into democracies and democracies degenerate into despotisms. ~ Aristotle

Flip March 1, 2016 at 10:21 am

That’s a great quote, but I’m talking about humanity, not a government that hasn’t reached it’s 250th birthday yet.

The Roman empire is long gone but the city of Rome still exists.

Tazmaniac March 1, 2016 at 8:59 am

If I have to be pushed in with the Republicans sign me up on the “Outsider” half. I definitely considered myself Conservative, until lately, as I see so many single issue whackos crowing about their Family Values and Conservatism, so i must be lower case conservative. Voted Democrat in the 80’s and 90’s (except Presidential) until the local Party went full blown nutty Liberal.

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Rocky Verdad March 1, 2016 at 9:07 am

I think we over analyze. I think there is three groups. Far left, moderate Dems/Repubs, scared angry white people who can’t understand why it’s not still 1983, who believe Michael Jackson and Scalia were murdered by the New World Order, and can’t understand why they can’t get their job back at the plant as the wheel putter-on-er.

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shifty henry March 1, 2016 at 9:10 am

Reporter 1 – “The cult members seem totally brainwashed, and still place their blind faith in a false savior offering hollow promises of salvation!

Reporter 2 – “And that concludes our report from the White House.

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HD March 1, 2016 at 9:29 am

As I’ve said before, you need to find a new “operative.” If he thinks Trump appeals to “half the electorate,” he’s stupider than you. No mean feat, that. Trump would be lucky to get 150 electoral votes against the weakest Democrat candidate since Dukakis.

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TontoBubbaGoldstein March 1, 2016 at 9:55 am

Trump would be lucky to get 150 electoral votes against the weakest Democrat candidate since Dukakis.

Boy are you in for a surprise.

The only way the Dems can even make it close is if Bernie and Hillary unite behind some other candidate, such as Biden.

If not, Trump wins.

Yuuuuge.

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mamatiger92 March 1, 2016 at 11:22 am

I think it will energize the Dem base. Big turn out of folks voting against Trump (most, while holding their noses to be sure).

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TontoBubbaGoldstein March 1, 2016 at 12:54 pm

TBG suspects Trump will draw a fair amount of support from the Dem base.

Controlling our border, thus protecting American jobs, is not an anathema to most working class Democrats. Neither is a less interventionist foreign policy.

Much to TBG’s chagrin, on many other issues, Trump is much closer to mainstream Dem dogma than to conservatism or libertarianism.

But he’s entertaining, seems to be unbeholden the establishment, is decent on immigration, non-interventionism and has no patience for ”politically correct” BS. That’s good enough for TBG and probably many who traditionally vote Democrat.

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mamatiger92 March 1, 2016 at 1:14 pm

I just don’t see it. Time will tell though! Certainly will be entertaining.

Ed March 1, 2016 at 1:21 pm

Trump, if he wins the GOP, will likely win by a landslide in the General. If he can get the GOP disgruntled chickens to come home to roost – and he likely will once he starts playing Benghazi “what difference does it make” commercials and email felony commercials against Hillary in the General – all the while playing up to the economic concerns of white blue collar workers (who’ve traditionally voted democrat), he’ll steamroll her.

Rocky Verdad March 1, 2016 at 1:26 pm

After his August court appearances for Trump U his own wife won’t vote for him.

mamatiger92 March 1, 2016 at 1:28 pm

We shall see.

TontoBubbaGoldstein March 1, 2016 at 1:52 pm

Certainly will be entertaining.

Agreed.

Rocky Verdad March 1, 2016 at 1:26 pm

Not sure about that, but it will cause a lot of Republicans who love America to not vote at all. Remember Palin’s handler – who refused to vote.

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HD March 1, 2016 at 6:37 pm

Not a chance in Hell. He’s had it easy in the primaries, until just recently. The other candidates were afraid of alienating his supporters. Clinton and the Democrats have no such constraints. He has no concept of the whirlwind that will be unleashed on him. It won’t be close.

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TontoBubbaGoldstein March 1, 2016 at 7:36 pm

He has no concept of the whirlwind that will be unleashed on him.

Trump IS the whirlwind, Chief.

Donald Trump in 2016 reminds TBG a lot of Les Miles in 2007…

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HD March 1, 2016 at 7:42 pm

He’s riled up a minority of Republican primary voters. He’s also permanently alienated a minority of Republican primary voters. It’s very, very hard for a Republican to win a general election for president in the best of circumstances, with a broadly appealing candidate. He’s going to get waxed. He’ll do better than Dukakis, so there’s that.

What? March 1, 2016 at 8:56 pm

What’s Hilliary going to say when The Donald starts bringing up hubby, his lip biting proclivities and general sexual predatorial behavior towards women in general in the most uncouth and unapologetic manner possible- in front of millions on TV?!?!

Are you really so sure that Hilliary is going to “handle” him like she handles her husband or her husband’s bimbo eruptions?

Oh the irony of you discussing the threat of “no constraints” in regard to someone has literally places none on his own behavior…someone who literally has no shame.

Look, you seem fairly intelligent, but you really have got this all wrong. Hilliary can’t survive wallowing in the mud with Donald Trump.

The polling today is absolutely no indication of what would happen after a few debates between the two of them.

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HD March 1, 2016 at 9:15 pm

First, it’s old news. Second, Trump’s as bad or worse in the scumbag sweepstakes.

Trump's demise predicted again March 1, 2016 at 9:59 am

Most GOPers are not very principled, so even though they bitch and moan that Trump isn’t conservative, at the end of the day when it’s a choice between him and Hillary they will cast their vote for Trump. (but they’ll bitch the whole time)

That all assumes the GOP doesn’t snatch the nomination from him via brokered convention or shenanigans like back in 52′- and they just might.

We could be witnessing the birth of a new party if the GOP establishment chooses the scorched earth policy.

It’s all quite exciting.

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yep. March 1, 2016 at 11:05 am

And Justice Thomas asks his first question from the bench because justice Scalia is no longer there to do his homework for him. …Are you gonna drink all that Coke, young lady!?

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mamatiger92 March 1, 2016 at 11:23 am Reply
Jake March 1, 2016 at 1:49 pm

And the election is in Nov. Don’t count your chickens before the eggs hatch.

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mamatiger92 March 1, 2016 at 1:58 pm

So true on so many levels. I’d advise you to do the same ;)

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TroubleBaby March 1, 2016 at 9:12 pm

…only 4 months ago Ben Carson was leading the polls in the GOP primary…lol…Ben Carson.

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Trump 2016 March 1, 2016 at 1:25 pm

There will be Republican establishment chaos tonight. Trump is going to win the nomination and the election. Time to get on the bandwagon or get out of the way.

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Rocky Verdad March 1, 2016 at 1:27 pm

That’s nice Pogo.

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swpbbls March 1, 2016 at 1:41 pm

“rabid socialists backing Bernie Sanders”

They may or not be that — but I know for a fact that they are trained in their rabid socialism and I know at least four who are Ted Cruz plants. They have been planted in my family. Gracias. Not.

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Marco March 1, 2016 at 1:48 pm

I hope Trumps tears Washington in two, and then we can toss him out and start to rebuild. The Federal Government can get worse.

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Buzz Martin March 17, 2016 at 9:16 am

Damn Trump is gonna put Hillary Clinton in office. The asshole.

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