Electoral Math: Base Problems All Around
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the electoral college in general needs a complete overhaul. there arent enough delegates to actually represent the voters, delegates are not bound to vote the way their district wants, and often their vote doesnt even count because of “super delegates”
we have the technology to go to a strait popular vote, with no need for the electoral college at all.
regardless, neither party actually represents the will of the people, so its insane to change the rules to make it easier for one party or another to gain votes. the way democracy works is if you arent popular you get voted out, you dont change the rules to make it not matter as much that you arent popular
Super delegates are for nominations, not the Electoral College. All Electoral College delegates must be elected.
Kid, you don’t know crap. There are super delegates at party conventions not in the Electoral College. And that is the STRAIGHT truth.
Sorry, I’m only interested in the GAY truth. LMAO!!!
You are wrong about the super delegates, but you are right the Electoral College is an anachronism that no longer serves a legitimate purpose. President’s should be elected by popular vote. We could have avoided the disaster that was George Bush if that were the case.
All for that after we deport the 15 million illegals and close the borders.
Illegals do not vote, so that will not impact anything you idiot. Go back into your hole and count your welfare money you lazy POS.
Dems need illegals and new voters.Fact.middle America has turned on em.
Presidential elections don’t have to continue to be about a narrowly focused barrage of attention by the media, candidates, pollsters, strategists, organizers, and ads in the handful of unrepresentative
swing states that dominate and determine the general election, while most of the country is politically irrelevant.
By state laws, the National Popular Vote bill would guarantee the presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes in the country.
Every vote, everywhere, would be politically relevant and equal in every presidential election. No more distorting and divisive red and blue state maps of pre-determined outcomes. There would no longer be a handful of ‘battleground’ states where voters and policies are more important than those of the voters in 80%+ of the states that have just been ’spectators’ and ignored after the conventions.
The National Popular Vote bill would take effect when enacted by states with a majority of the electoral votes—270 of 538.
All of the presidential electors from the enacting states will be supporters of the presidential candidate receiving the most popular votes in all 50 states (and DC)—thereby guaranteeing that candidate with an Electoral College majority.
The bill has passed 33 state legislative chambers in 22 rural, small, medium, large, red, blue, and purple states with 250 electoral votes. The bill has been enacted by 11 jurisdictions with 165 electoral votes – 61% of the 270 necessary to go into effect.
NationalPopularVote
I could not agree more. The Electoral College does nothing but take away the vote of about 45% of the Voters in the country. In SC uniess I vote Republican my vote does not even count in the presidential election.
Further it is a a system capable of being manipulated to orchestrate a Coup D’etat should the right people pull the trigger. That option should not even exist.
Republicans don’t fare to well with the popular vote either.
Yeah, they lost by 5 million votes, 2.5% of the voting age population.
If Republicans nominate Trump the whole scenario above goes out the window. If Republicans want to win, they should nominate Trump.
Shit, we can’t gerrymander the presidential election! What do we do?!
Don’t worry…they are trying to dream up ways to get rid of the college. Voter ID laws are just the start.
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They don’t gerrymander senate seats or governorships either and kick your fucking ass.Only reason gerrmandering is done is to elect blacks.
Republicans in Pennsylvania are trying to elect blacks?
You are a true representation of Republicans, klansman pogo.
This Is about as ignorant as you can get. Why do you think that the Republican Party in SC was so willing to go along with creating black districts? They wanted to bleach out Republican-leaning districts completely, guaranteeing easy election results. Look at the number of Republicans who lose re-election. If it ever happens, it will be in the primary.
And the simple answer as to why the Republicans hold the U.S Senate seats and the governorship is that the electorate is 70 per cent white, and twenty per cent redneck.
Then, would you please enlighten us as to how you think Tim Scott got elected in South Carolina?????
As far as his Senate seat goes, he was appointed and then won against a black woman
A swing and a miss.
Because Republicans love them a good ‘boy’ token where they can pretend they aren’t racist.
THe Senate is going back to the Dems in January 2017.
Gerrymandering is as old as the Country itself, long before most blacks could even vote. Want to try again?
Doesn’t negate his point. The issue is not why gerrymandering was done in the past in a different political climate in various parts of the nation. It’s why it is done here in SC. “Pubs in landslide” was exactly right.
Gerrymandering in SC is required by the Voting Rights Act for black representation but is done for many other reasons that have nothing to do with anything but re-electing the incumbents involved.
DIdn’t you just lose Louisiana?
If you really want to have some fun with numbers, compare the percentage of registered voters to those qualified, and the percentage of those registered that actually voted and then rank the states by their Rep/Dem ratio.
It might give some insight into voter apathy in some strongly red states and some strongly blue states. For example, some Democrats may not think it is worth their time to go to the polls (or maybe even bother to register) in such a deep-red state as Sakerlina when it comes to voting for a President.
Thank u for another worthless comment.
More thought provoking than the garbage you throw up here.
This blog has gone to shit without Grand Tango.
What’s keeping him away? Shame?
He has returned under a number of Disqus aliases, but there must be some genetic defect because they die off after after a day or so.
I hate to bring up Australia…again (see gun control threads) but they have mandatory voting there. You can opt out in certain circumstances or pay a fine but generally the returns are over 85% of the electorate.
In Australia, they try and get more people to the polls, whereas here….we try and keep people away.
To me, that’s the will of the people being clearly expressed but that would never happen here. Gov’t intrusion, blah, blah, blah.
Everyone should vote. But personally, there’s a lot of inbred idiots in trailer parks who never vote, and that’s just fine with me.
Excellent point. Yeah, I’m saying you had an excellent point. But SC is a state which thrives on a one-party system. You know this. It’s the Republicans right now, but in three years, it might be the ShortArmsInspection Party. But it will be a single party. And Hugh Leatherman will lead it. (Too strong?)
There’s still a year before anyone should think about this. MERRY CHRISTMAS AND PLEASE GET A LIFE.
Uhmmm, you first.
I’ve sworn off thinking who, what and why until its time to vote.
Winning the election is a good-news, bad-news kind of thing.
First the good news; you are now President.
Now the bad news; you are now President
Clint Eastwood
I’ll remember to tell that to President Hillary.
We don’t seem to agree on much but on this I agree.
The president can set his/her agenda for what they want to do and direct efforts…even some executive actions and the veto threat. However, they are largely clipped by congress and to some degree the courts.
Congress being the cluster F it is, doesn’t provide much room for the president to get anything done (unless you have a super majority..which even then doesn’t guarantee anything).
We are in a constant state of inertia in this country…but in a way we only have ourselves to blame. We keep electing the same people back to congress expecting things to change, when really the congress people are by and large doing what we tell them…which is not to cooperate and cut deals with the other guys. Frankly, I’m surprised Ryan got his budget to pass.
“Broad swaths of the GOP electorate simply sat on their hands rather than vote for a liberal candidate like Romney.”
I think it’s got way more to do with Christian fundamentalists sitting on their hands rather than vote for a Mormon
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/01/the-great-republican-revolt/419118/
‘Axis of evil’ Bush speechwriter David Frum says in The Atlantic that the Republican base is finally figuring out that Republicans (which in the Establishment are overwhelmingly kowtow to the Libertarians on Wall Street) simply do not have their economic interests at heart.
Yo…SC U.S. House delegation (except Jeff Duncan) remember
your gutless butt-kissing of RINO Boehner and now of RINO Ryan?
Don’t look now but those tattered, bleeding rear ends you
see ARE your own—and the Tea Train that’s rolling over you is the lion
That’s right—you backed ole
Back-Door-Agreements-With-Obama-Ryan like Boehner and in 2016 don’t forget
payback is coming
No-no—you are NOT paranoid—that IS your political funeral
dirge that’s play and that long-running Tea Train is doing the drumming !!!
There’s a lot of people who post on this site with perma-boners for that clump of all white, all men, all anglo, all christian group of guys who created the constitution.
They are all too happy for our fellow citizens to be cut down by gunfire to the bushel full cause it’s in the constitution…but they have a problem with the electoral college…also in the constitution. For that matter, the US Postal Service is also in the constitution…so show some respect.
Where’s the consistency guys?
You are one evil diumb fuck.A waste of human flesh.May God inflict you with incurable cancer or some other hideous disease that illegals are bringing into this country and rid the earth of trash such as yourself.
Hittin’ the vodka again this morning Tango? Merry Christmas to you. Hey, ain’t it four Friday tomorrow – the fourth Friday that’s passed without the Scopes Dumpy Trial starting.
Oh my.Terry Ward gonna be suing Mr.Rocky Verdad.If your above comment is not libelous nothing is.Merry Christmas Rocky.
Who’s Terry. I was talking to U R Satan’s playmate Tango.
1st Guy: “Hey, man …. What’s going on with all this fuss and confusion in congress today?”
2nd Guy: “Well, it’s as though the government can’t carry out the thingamajig without a clear whatdoyacallit. And unless the thingamyob is put right the whole thing will bust up. Have you not heard about it?”
1st Guy: “I’ve heard about it, but I didn’t know any of the details ‘til now.”
Hard to say really. The best way to beat an opponent and tamp down support and turn out…convince them they can’t win in the first place. White voters are about to really turn out for just about whomever the GOP picks sans trump. If an establishment person like Bush – assuming he gets some stage presence and doesn’t sound like he running for a city counsel election (to watch him NOW youd this “damn he was gov of FL!?!), it could flabbergast manner poll handicappers. Obama got 93-94% of the black vote, a generic dems pulls about 83-84%. That will be lost by the dems this time (again sans trump), and many Reagan dems who can back to the party for Clinton Obama elections, are not as happy with Obama as many would have you believe. I think they will either sit out or vote GOP IF it’s not a total nutcase who wins their primary. Obama’s hobby of passing on considering real solutions, particularly in the foreign policy areana which has been a total bust, while using his twitter feed to weigh (usually wrongly) on so many hot button social issue topics about 10 minutes to 24 hours after it hits the headlines BUT before all the facts have come out – only to make the situation worse, has led many more academic white dems, and middle class dems, lean away from the party as a logical/thinking mecca of the two parties. It could be a much more difficult slog than democrats are expecting IN SPITE OF the demographic advantage.