DECISION IMPACTS PALMETTO STATE PERMIT HOLDERS …
Effective February 1, 2016, the Commonwealth of Virginia will no longer recognize concealed carry permits from twenty-five states that its top prosecutor says “do not meet Virginia’s safety standards.”
The decision – announced by the state’s liberal attorney general, Mark Herring – comes in the wake of “an audit and update of the thirty states whose concealed handgun permits have been considered valid within the Commonwealth.”
“Their laws are not sufficient to prevent someone who is disqualified under Virginia law from receiving a concealed handgun permit,” Herring’s office noted. “These states therefore do not meet Virginia’s standards for issuance of a concealed handgun permit or for recognition of such permits.”
Because South Carolina’s laws demand dual recognition, Virginia concealed carry permits will now no longer be recognized in the Palmetto State, which is itself staring down a major anti-gun push.
As we’ve stated repeatedly, this website staunchly supports the Second Amendment, and have called for civil disobedience of any gun law (federal, state or local) infringing upon it.
Why? Because the evidence is conclusive: More guns = less crime.
And even if the evidence wasn’t conclusive, the right to bear arms is constitutionally guaranteed – meaning the government has to change the constitution if it wants to uproot the right.
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There seems to be no logic involved with the Left’s reasoning on guns and gun laws.
Just as Obama saw the San Bernardina massacre as not a terrorist’s problem, but a gun problem is indicative of their stated illogical reasoning ability. Don’t let this ruse fool you, they know exactly what they are doing. They are out to take our guns away.
The Left will slowly peck away at our gun’s rights as they see this as simple solution to murders in the USA. We can not sit idly by while they slowly turn up the heat to boil us alive.
Poor little gun nut. Now you know how pro-choice advocates and women feel under Republican control.
Hey, give women the choice, but give MEN the choice, too. If the man wants the woman to have an abortion and she doesn’t want to, let him off with half the cost of the procedure and that ends it. REAL choice. Fairness and all that…. it took two to tango, after all.
There’s more of that irony mentioned by the poster above.
No wonder you can’t find a wife. Hanging out here isn’t going to help you get into a tango….oh wait, you’re looking for another ‘conservative’ man aren’t you?
I’m sure you wish that people like him would go away and quit shredding your arguments. Too bad for you, it doesn’t seem to work that way.
I am pro-choice as well as pro-2A.
NEXT…
I also read you are a Sandy Hooker hoaxer from another comment awhile back.
You’re opinion is worthless, if that is true.
As is yours..
We actually did fine in this country with the Brady Bill assault weapons ban and there would be who knows how many of the mass shooting victims still alive if it had not been allowed to expire.
A lot would still be alive. That’s why I supported it. Why won’t those who worship me today support it?
You didn’t start supporting it until near the end of your last term, when your Alzheimer’s was beginning to really kick in. Up until that point, you had resisted it because you knew it was wrong, even though you felt an obligation to do something for James because he was your friend.
Now you are speaking for me and putting words in my mouth?
No wonder the GOP will lose by ANOTHER landslide in 2016….you have forsaken me?
All violent crime fell during the same period, from 1992 to 1997. The percent of homicides committed with guns actually stayed the same. The decrease in the gun homicide rate was part of an overall declining crime rate that had nothing to do with the Brady Bill. Violent crime started falling in 1991, which was three years before passage of the Brady Bill. The Brady Bill did not apply in 18 states, yet violent crime in those states fell just as quickly.
And it CONTINUED to fall even after repeal…..
Oh…..like the ‘pro-life’ strategy against Roe v. Wade?
Oh the irony.
Do you support post-partum abortion?
Are you retarded?
Dude….fewer guns = fewer deaths. It’s simple. Look at Australia.
I know it’s an inconvenient truth for the LaPierres of the world but Australia has removed somewhere around 750,000 firearms from the populace and gun deaths have dropped by around 42% since.
Contrary to perceptions, people there can still legally own a firearm.
At the same deaths went down in Australia while the government confiscated guns, the death rate in The United States went down while gun sales were increasing.
I posted the graphs last night on the other conversation.
You are basing this on Australian numbers that have very little relevance to our situation in the US.
What logical conclusions can anyone derive from the crime rate going down in both countries while one was banning guns and the other country gun sales were increasing.
You have to get off this Australian model as your guide. Look at what happened in the US, where we just happen to live.
Try this one on for size:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
You have to sort in descending order for the “Total” column but the US has the highest ranking for developed, western democracies in the list of countries.
It is too many deaths, but it does not change the fact that deaths have been decreasing while gun purchases have been increasing.
That many deaths is a societal/behavioral problem, not a gun problem. An inanimate object, by itself, never has driven anyone to murder
Where do you get the stat that gun deaths are decreasing while gun sales have increased?
Here it is…
https://www.aei.org/publication/chart-of-the-day-more-guns-less-gun-violence-between-1993-and-2013/
Lol…American Enterprise Institute…Really???
If you would read the article, instead of trying to find something to criticize about it it, you would discover that AEI is using data supplied by the Centers for Disease Control.
Below is a direct quote from the article. Your attitude is one of a spoiled obnoxious brat. Loosen up a little and don’t go flying off the handle with your prejudices and poor judgement.
Have a good one, when you can act more mature, we might engage again.
“According to data retrieved from the Centers for Disease Control, there were 7 firearm-related homicides for every 100,000 Americans in 1993 (see light blue line in chart). By 2013 (most recent year available), the gun homicide rate had fallen by nearly 50% to only 3.6 homicides per 100,000 population.”
Simply look at FBI Table 8 or refer to the graph I posted two days ago.
So less spoons equal less fat people?
It’s a For-Profit Law Awaiting Overturning …
The state leaders of Virginia need cash. The gun lobbyists did not cough up enough. So they make a ruling that affect CWP’s in 25 states.
It will be overturned. Once the right amount is paid.
Cry all your want. But them tears better be in coins, wiped with hundred dollar bills, sent to Richmond …
I obey the laws, just as my president does.
If more guns equal less crime, why is SC ranked number 6 on the most dangerous states to live in?
Because of all of the idiots that we allow to drive.
It’s not just that SC’s lack of gun laws (hell, you don’t even have to report a lost or stolen firearm in this State –– what a fucking joke) is dangerous to SC (and it is). It’s also that SC is dangerous to other States. Around 1,500 guns trafficked out of SC end up being used in crimes in other States. Only five States export more crime guns than SC.
South Carolinians have trouble securing their firearms. How else would ONE dude have over 7,000+ stolen guns in his possesion?
Supposedly most of them came from North Carolina.
I agree that there should be a requirement to report a stolen gun. Some laws really ARE “common sense”, however the left refuses to accept that hard data may contradict their agenda. It also seems to be an issue when liberals refuse to go after the actual law breakers because of some misplaced sense of social justice, then try to foist the blame off on an object. I don’t see them saying “ban minivans!” after that woman ran down 37 people in Nevada the other day….
Because we report crimes honestly, unlike a lot of leftist states that create charges that list as “non-reportable offenses”, like California’s domestic laws….
That….or….fewer guns actually makes a difference.
Also remember that those stats come from the same source that warned Liberals were the source of 58% of the world’s methane, when other sources say it’s more like 98%.
Yankee infiltration via I-95,I-26,I-77.
Suppose the root cause of this was IKE and his interstate system, whereby, the average YANKEE could drive himself to GODS COUNTRY!
99% go to Florida – so they ain’t driving to what you call God’s Country – it’s just a drive over.
OH CONTRAIRE!
Have you not encountered the “half backs”?
+100
Mostly because of the number of black people. More blacks equal more crime.
I see they still honor Utah permits as Utah meets their criteria. Not that I plan on going to VA in the foreseeable future, but I’m glad to have my Utah permit (and one other thing) up my sleeve, just in case.
Bad guys with a gun are just a myth the government made up to go on a gun grabbing spree though.
Good guys with guns is a myth created by the NRA on behalf of gun and ammo manufacturers to keep business rolling in using fear and intimidation.
Don’t forget…the NRA used to be all in for gun registration until they were against it.
When was that, Limbaugh? Citation?
http://www.businessinsider.com.au/nra-used-to-support-gun-control-2013-1
Thank you! Unfortunately, the video the article referenced was not available or otherwise I could not view it on my phone. Not your fault. I was curious if this might be a version of the NRA in Australia they were speaking of as I am only aware of the one here in the US.
I am unaware of the NRA here ever having supported gun registration. Not saying it didn’t happen, just that I am unaware. I grew up in a family where my father and one grandfather were constant NRA members. The only damnfoolery of the sort that I recall was the NRA’s support of “Saturday Night Special” laws back in the 1960’s. Such laws were designed to outlaw a lot of cheap, pot metal, .22’s, .32’s, and the like which were on the market. Such laws, they later came to realize, stood to deny poor people, who couldn’t afford more expensive guns, the means to protect themselves. Such laws, such as the one in SC which required a sample of any model handgun be placed in a furnace at SLED to see if it melted at certain temperatures, were also short-sighted. They didn’t take into account, improvements in metallurgy or polymer technology. Changes had to be made in the law so SLED could purchase plastic Glocks for its agents.
In short, the NRA used to be about responsible gun ownership, marksmanship, hunting, recreation and some forms of gun control.
Then, from the mid 70’s it got conflated with the Libertarian movement and anti-gov’t panic and the focus shifted towards aggressive activism, political lobbying, and being against any gun control whatsoever.
They woke up. They realized that compromising on your rights was a losing proposition because the anti’s will NEVER be satisfied. Those who bleat about “sensible” gun control will N-E-V-E-R be satisfied. The very nature of life is that whatever safety device you put in place to prevent some form of tragedy or other from occurring, a tragedy will eventually find a way to happen. No matter what safeguards you have in place to prevent criminal acquisition of firearms, to include an out-and-out ban on all weapons and ammunition, criminals WILL acquire them. Then you and your minions will be ever cheering for even moar restrictions, even if on water guns or make-believe finger guns.
Compromising on the “Saturday Night Special” issue was a mistake. The NRA learned its lesson. Sadly, they seem to have been infiltrated by the Brady/Bloomberg camp in some ways. They do not vet the supposed “pro-gun” candidates from year to year. The Jakes, Mike Pitts, and Katrinas, of the world have figured out if they do something good for the 2nd Amendment early on, they can do anything after the NRA endorsements and money start coming in and they will still be just fine with the NRA. For that reason, I dropped my membership several years ago.
Not true. Just worked a case the other day that says otherwise. Actually, I’ve worked quite a few where a gun has been the difference between a victim being harmed and the bad guy losing the argument. If I ever get married, it will be to a woman who refuses to be victimized and isn’t afraid of protecting herself or her children. I’ve dealt with too many of the liberal kind….with their names in the “victim” block and the injury box checked “yes”.
“If I ever get married…..”
Yep, you’re the typical, modern ‘conservative’, white male.
Like kryptonite to women.
I’m actually quite comfortable dating….. lots of benefits, no alimony or inlaws. No lack of companionship, just enjoy the freedom. Plus, women are a lot of fun when they’re trying to impress you. They dress up, clean up, and give you lots of attention. LoL, you sound like you never dated much….
Another full of shit commenter on FitsNews?
Say it ain’t so!
Paying for companionship, if you get any at all.
Typical conservative white male.
No game.
^HEAR, HEAR!!!!!!^
Actually, what they have with Utah is a written agreement – the AG cannot over turn that. I foresee action by the VA legislature to deal with this.
I hope so, Colonel!
I’m for States Rights!
Except when I’m not!
Yep. Socialism is the worst too.
Did my favorite college team win this week?
If my marriage license has to be recognized by Virginia, why doesn’t my CWP? It’s a hell of a lot harder to get a CWP.
States rights.
Ask Virginia.
Yep – states rights.
Of course, South Carolina’s CWP permit system is actually a higher standard than Virginia’s and I’m willing to bet that no crime has been committed in Virginia by a CWP holder. It will be interesting to see how long this AG lasts.
Who cares?
Gun control is coming and nobody is going to take anyone’s guns away.
Just try and do better going forward.
You keep bleating that crap about gun control coming but “nobody is going to take anyone’s guns away”. Yet in another breath you wish to ban certain types of weapons. Sorry, I don’t believe you or buy into the bullshit.
You’re right about one thing, woe be unto whoever does happen to come to try and take them. When training newbys, years ago, I would often turn the conversation in the car around to what would they do if a blanket order to confiscate guns were given. I told them they better choose their answer carefully, even if it meant giving up the career and retirement they had worked for and towards. I explained that if they chose wrong, they were no longer a cop, but a terrorist, and they might rightfully expect to be treated accordingly by anyone they violated their oath and tried to push that agenda on.
Sadly, I wish it were coming…but nothing that will do anyone any good will get passed ever anywhere in the US.
We’ll keep killing ourselves to the tune of tens of thousands a year and be happy about it….’cause Murica.
didnt BL teach you to respect weapons? all weapons, even the ones that kill.
BL?
Fee income?
GOOD ONE! +100
you could move to one of those states where they’ve now decided to waive those pesky training courses for concealed permits and just hand them out like candy…as the founders intended.
Yes, and pilots licenses too, if you can drive a car you can fly a plane, right. You’re an idiot.
……or, the headline could read…
“Virginia State gov’t enacts minuscule gun safety measure in attempt to protect its citizens”
So, disarming citizens who went through the vetting and training to obtain the permits makes us all safer? Meanwhile, criminals carry when and where they damn well please because being criminals, they don’t worry about permits, laws, safety, or much of anything else.
Makes perfect sense…
My personal vision of gun control, not a blanket gun seizure (important distinction) would be the following:
1. Every gun made that gets sold is registered and tracked. We do it for car VIN numbers, we can do it for guns.
2. Certain types of arms made illegal. This includes high caliber and high capacity guns and semi-autos.
3. Incentivize the voluntary buy back of existing arms in the general populace with tax breaks and cash payments funded by the gun industry.
4. A health fund paid for by the gun industry (along the same lines as the tobacco settlement) to treat victims of gun shots.
That’s the first phase…we’ll see how that goes and then evaluate what to do next.
1) Thanks but no thanks. Registration, more often than not, eventually opens the door to confiscation.
2) What would qualify as “high caliber”? Why make them illegal? How would doing so reduce crime? Check out The Colonel’s chart on the SC proposed gun legislation thread and THEN get back to me. How will banning normal capacity guns and semi-autos for good citizens stop or reduce crime? Again, the law-abiding and/or otherwise good guys that these silly laws affect are NOT the ones causing the problems. Criminals are, and they are minimally if at all affected by more laws that do little or nothing to keep them locked away.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7F1nPSNnaBo
3) Why make the gun industry pay for it? Have we tried this with automobiles to reduce the number of cars in the hands of drunks or otherwise reckless and stupid drivers? Would such even have any effect? Seriously?
4) Again, seriously? Why punish the industry for a legitimate product with legitimate uses (self defense, hunting, recreational shooting, LE, etc)? How can they really be responsible for what is done with the product as long as it is made reasonably safe (ie: doesn’t discharge if accidentally dropped)? Should automobile manufacturers be penalized for drunks and idiots who misuse their otherwise legitimate products? Would your proposal pay for treating people who deserved to be shot, such as robbers, rapists, carjackers, etc?
1) Thanks but no thanks. Registration, more often than not, eventually opens the door to confiscation.
What cases? Are you going back to the well again with the Nazis? Which by the way, you’re assertion seems to be that untrained armed citizens could have defeated the most powerful army on earth at that time. What other cases have you? North Korea? Russia? Despotic arab kingdoms? Show me an example of a western democracy with gun control (inc. registration) where the gov’t has gone door knocking to take away all guns.
2)
What would qualify as “high caliber”? Why make them illegal? How
would doing so reduce crime? Check out The Colonel’s chart on the SC
proposed gun legislation thread and THEN get back to me. How will
banning normal capacity guns and semi-autos for good citizens stop or
reduce crime? Again, the law-abiding and/or otherwise good guys that
these silly laws affect are NOT the ones causing the problems.
Criminals are, and they are minimally if at all affected by more laws
that do little or nothing to keep them locked away.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=…
I would say tell that to the victims of Sandy Hook, Columbine, Aurora, San Bernadino, and so on and so on.
3)
Why make the gun industry pay for it? Have we tried this with
automobiles to reduce the number of cars in the hands of drunks or
otherwise reckless and stupid drivers? Would such even have any effect?
Seriously?
Yes, it would. If nothing else, the gun industry produces a product that is designed by its very nature to kill stuff and forcing them to bear at least some of the public health costs as a result of their product could in turn prompt other changes in the regulatory or design arenas that eventually reduce gun deaths and injuries further.
4) Again, seriously? Why punish the industry for a
legitimate product with legitimate uses (self defense, hunting,
recreational shooting, LE, etc)? How can they really be responsible for
what is done with the product as long as it is made reasonably safe
(ie: doesn’t discharge if accidentally dropped)? Should automobile
manufacturers be penalized for drunks and idiots who misuse their
otherwise legitimate products? Would your proposal pay for treating
people who deserved to be shot, such as robbers, rapists, carjackers,
etc?
Pools are not illegal but people who have them must build fences to protect young children. Cars are not guaranteed by the US constitution but drivers must have insurance and cars must have minimum safety standards.
Actually, possession of firearms (including quite a few WWII bring-backs) were a prime component of the civil rights movement (especially in Mississippi and Alabama). Black men had the right to protect their families with those pesky semi-automatic rifles you detest so much, and YES, it meant the SURVIVAL of the civil rights movement in a number of states.
Bundy ranch ring a bell? I may believe that he was in the wrong, but a healthy exercise of the Second Amendment guaranteed that the exercise of the First Amendment was protected. Anyone with a lick of political sense could see that is what happened.
As to columbine/ Sandy Hook? I’m sure Mcveigh gave a damn about the fact that making, transporting, and using a big frickkin’ BOMB was illegal.
As to the taxation, EVERY example you cite is responsibility for the individual owner, and not necessarily the industry as a whole. Minimum safety features on cars? Fine, minimum safety standards ALREADY exist on firearms. There is NO legal REQUIREMENT for the owner of a pool to build a fence or have insurance. NONE. The only requirement for homeowner’s insurance is in the loan papers for the house. The loan is a PRIVATE CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT, knut.
Actually, nut,
1) we DO NOT continue to track cars after they are sold UNLESS a person wishes to drive that car on public roadways. Guns are serialized, and initial purchase is tracked JUST LIKE CARS. Your analogy sucks.
2) Are you being silly? Why? Semi-automatic rifles (the ones that make you piss your panties) are almost never used in crimes (FBI stats). It’s a boogy-man made up by the Stalinists to make gun control more “palatable”. Do you plan to limit high-capacity alcohol containers and limit sales to get rid of drunk driving fatalities? Maybe govern all cars to 65mph to prevent speeding and reduce highway fatalities from reckless driving and racing? What about the woman who mowed down 37 people with a mini-van? Or the 34 in the bus collision? “For the children” and all that… Oh, and exactly WHAT is “high-caliber”???? Making shite up as you go, right?
3) How about that being illegal? Oh, yeah, leftist agenda, it’s ok. Laws….. just kind of a guideline, right?
4) Let’s do that for the fast food industry, the alcohol industry, the automotive industry, and every other industry in the US!!!
What next, a poll tax, maybe a reading comprehension tax to vote (with only liberal opinions deemed as appropriate)? Maybe take care of all those nasty conservative kulaks the old-fashioned way, eh comerade? After all, tolerance means that everyone has to agree with YOU, right?
What percentage of gun deaths in this country are remotely connected to citizens who have valid carry permit? Close to zero. If the left leaning courts would enforce the laws we already have related to crimes committed with guns, there would be far fewer gun deaths. But their strict enforcement would lead to non-PC results, so there you have it…. You are a complete fool.
Again, that’s no true. What statistical base are you using for this argument.
Please refer to story below and read in full:
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/10/oregon-shooting-gun-laws-213222
OK, I read it. Absolutely nothing in the piece refutes anything I wrote above. You want so badly for the facts to support your hysterical hatred of “guns” that you have missed the larger picture. Legitimate permit holders are not likely to use firearms illegally, and the far left is not excited about cracking down on those who (statistically) do. So, their solution is to vilify all guns and gun owners, thus neatly avoiding the elephant in the room.
My gun control platform isn’t about who has the guns…it’s an overall reduction of guns circulating in the populace full stop.
Did you hear that rapper King Louis was shot in Chicago? Gosh, hate we didn’t get the anti gun message out to the shooter. I’m sure he(or she, (liberal nod) would have hesitated before bussin’ a cap in that nigga’s hade.
FYI, Politico is NOT an unbiased source…. in fact, they are ridiculously biased in favor of leftist agenda.
Like the NRA or this site are unbiased?
Besides, Politico didn’t author the story, they posted it from another source.
You are right on. That is where I go to get the temperature of and see what the far left is thinking.
If you download the data table and actually review the data you’ll see that Politico makes up their conclusions to meet their agenda. The idea that general “arguments” leads to most murders is ridiculous. They base that assertion on the fact that “other arguments” is listed as the proximate cause for 23% of murders – after categorizing a variety of arguments. Could it be that the “other arguments” were over drugs, turf, hookers etc.?
While we’re on the subject, the data also show that gun crimes continue to drop despite the proliferation of firearms…
So why is SC the most dangerous state in the US if we love our guns?
By what measure are you seeing that we are the “…most dangerous state…”?
Louisiana has the highest murder rate per capita by far at 10.3 (SC 6.1)
Alaska has the highest rape rate at 79.7 (SC 35.5)
Alaska is number one in violent crime as well at 602 (SC 490)
Nevada is number one in Tibet at 185 (SC ~ even close at 83)
If you consider DC to be a state, it is by almost every measurement the most dangerous place in the US.
Now, does our fair state have work to do? Absolutely, but Wallethub’s little survey is both inaccurate and biased.
Don’t ask me, ask Fits….he posted it.
But it’s all based on lies. Pretty much everything the Va atty general said was untrue. But then again, liberals believe nothing but the agenda matters, and any lie told or law broken is excusable in pursuit of that agenda.
Ladies and gentlemen, the evidence is far from conclusive. In fact, I could point you to a number of references that show fewer guns = fewer deaths.
HAHAHAHAHA … You could be killed with a brick. HAHAHAAAAA!!!!
Ah yes, but even the lowly brick is registered at the point of sale to the contractor who buys them and their manufacture conforms to governmental guidelines.
I guess Virginia got schlonged by the gun control lobby?
NO PROBLEMEEMO in Belvedere.
I possess an Arizona Non- resident CWP, and Virginia still recognizes it. LOL, ain’t been to Virginia in 14 years, or Arizona in 34.
But I still go thru Possum Kingdom a few times a year!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow! When I first read the headline, I thought it read “Virginia Blows Anti-Gun Lobby.” It’s a relief to know Virginia was only genuflecting.
God bless Virginia.
How about this? Want to carry a concealed weapon in VA? Get a VA CWP? Shit SC won’t even recognize a Virginia Bar Admission… and the Virginia Bar is way harder than than the SC color within the lines one.
Why would I want to do that,when Virginia recognizes my Arizona non resident CWP?