A SOLUTION FOR THE “END TIMES” WAR WITH ISIS
We don’t watch Showtime’s Homeland, although we’ve heard from those who do that we should. And judging from the first clip of the show anyone has forwarded us, they’re absolutely right …
The clip below is taken from the first episode of the show’s fifth season (currently airing), and features fictitious Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) black-ops agent Peter Quinn (portrayed by English actor Rupert Friend) outlining the options for addressing the rise of militant jihadists.
It is, well … just watch …
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All we can say is … “wow.” Also, we’re doubly impressed that Quinn (according to his Homeland Wiki bio) attended our founding editor’s alma mater, The Hill School in Pottstown, Pennsylvania.
The two options presented by Quinn for addressing ISIS are worth discussing. The first option – putting 200,000 U.S. ground troops (and an equal number of doctors and teachers) in Syria – is the path favored by America’s military industrial complex, whose warmongers are eager to continued reaping huge profits from the war against ISIS. It’s basically the path we’ve followed in Afghanistan and Iraq.
The second option – dubbed “hit reset” (a.k.a. pounding the ISIS stronghold of al-Raqqa “into a parking lot”) – is a new option.
Years ago another fictitious monologue from the hit program The West Wing addressed the militant jihadists. Its conclusion? “They’ll like us when we win.” The “hit reset” option looks at the situation a bit differently. Specifically, it concludes as follows:
They can’t “not” like us if they’re dead.
That’s a hard truth – but it’s truth nonetheless. And as the “end times” battle of which Quinn speaks continues ramping up, we believe it is an option America’s leaders should begin considering more seriously as opposed to throwing more of our blood and treasure into the cauldron.
Here’s the thing: Many confuse this website’s support for non-interventionist foreign policy as being dovish. Rest assured, it is not. It is purely fiscal in nature (much like our opposition to opening America’s borders to a flood of Middle Eastern refugees). We simply don’t believe it makes sense to spend trillions of tax dollars that we don’t have on wars of occupation that have failed to do anything but make our enemies stronger and angrier at us. Nor do we believe it makes sense to spend hundreds of billions of additional money we don’t have defending Israel and other countries while simultaneously flooding the region with weapons (many of which wind up in the wrong hands).
We cannot afford to continue these ill-conceived policies. Nor can we afford to launch another Middle Eastern invasion/ occupation.
So what to do? Here’s what we would recommend …
U.S. leaders should immediately agree to cease any and all offensive operations against ISIS and remove all U.S. military assets from the Middle East. More importantly, America should stop subsidizing the defense of Israel and the weaponization of various factions in the battle for Middle Eastern supremacy. We should pull out of the area completely, in other words.
Why? Because our strategy there has failed (at a colossal price tag) … and it will continue to fail moving forward. Guaranteed.
In exchange for this concession (which our nation’s current fiscal situation necessitates, it’s worth noting), ISIS will vow to never again target Americans at home or abroad – including our tourists, our flagged vessels, etc. In fact, its caliph will issue a fatwa expressly and permanently condemning violence against America and her citizens in acknowledgement of our support for self-determination in the Arab world.
Basically it’s like this: We agree to stop trying (and failing) to “make the world safe for democracy,” and they agree to leave our democracy – such as it is – alone. Or else.
Which is where Quinn’s “hit reset” comes into play, albeit on a much broader scale than the mere razing of al-Raqqa. If ISIS refuses to reach this accord – or if it accepts the terms of America’s ultimatum and then carries out attacks against U.S. citizens anyway – then the population centers of the Arab world will be subjected to the most deadly, disproportionate retaliatory violence ever unleashed by one group of human beings against another. We’re talking about the wholesale slaughter of tens of thousands – possibly hundreds of thousands or millions – including the use of nuclear weaponry to accomplish the objectives if necessary.
That’s right … and the collateral damage would be based on a simple ratio: Kill one of us, we kill a thousand of you. Women, children – we don’t give a f*ck.
Some believe such a strategy is cruel. Others might regard it as being unrealistic (believing Islamic militants will never consent to rescinding jihad against the infidels in America).
Maybe so. But it is a strategy. And if it fails, it will have been the choice of the jihadists to plunge the world into this new darkness …
The bottom line is simple: ISIS is playing the game with the simple objective of killing everyone who isn’t a Muslim. And the only way to fight an enemy like that is to offer them the same choice.
Stop the violence – or be consumed by it.
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Damn Will, this sounds like a plan to me; and a good one at that!
Because it’s from a TV show.
Do you people every leave the house?
They can’t tell the difference anymore. They probably think 24 was a bibliographical documentary on a real guy.
The GOP and Fox News trotted out Jack Bauer on a regular basis between 2006-2010. Bret Hume even invoked that character during a 2007 GOP debate. IIRC, there was a GOP House closed door pep rally one time where the 24 hero was invoked to pumped them up.
Did he wash his hands afterwards? Man, that’s got to leave some scarring.
I think he used the dramatic production as an introduction to what would be one of the most practical ways of dealing with the islamic problem. The general idea has been floated around for years. It has nothing to do with an idea because it was on TV.
A friend who occasionally posts on here had a good variant on this idea shortly after 09-11-2015. His idea involved putting the Islamic world on notice that any more such shit out of them and Mecca would be vaporized, leaving a large glass parking lot. Subsequent offenses would involve additional vaporizations and more glass parking lots.
I’m sorry you cannot comprehend the value of glass parking lots.
…09-11-2001…
Good luck getting them to agree to that now.
That’s what the “Plan B” part of his idea was designed to cover.
The Hill School? http://www.thehill.org/RelId/619088/ISvars/default/About_Us.htm
I can just imagine you in your Blue Blazer with the little patch on it, kind of like the one Sanfraud wore in Florida had before he carpetbagged to South Carolina.
Sic must have met some of the Howard Rich kids when he was attending “The Family Boarding School”.
I still have my Hill School blazer actually. No word on the Rich kids. Above my pay grade.
Just having it is one thing.
Does it still fit?
That’s what she said.
LOL!
Will is a prep school republican.
Just like Jeb! without the money.
He’s the serving class to the establishment power brokers.
What?! I thought you were a product of SC’s “failed public education system?”
Republicans get their foreign policy from TV shows.
That’s why they are always fucking everything up.
Just wait until FitsNews sees and episode of the G.I. Joe cartoons!
Are you people seriously looking to TV dramas to get your foreign policy ideas?
No wonder everyone laughs at Republicans…..you guys just can’t stop making fools of yourselves!
Clips like these get the chickenhawks hard, they don’t like the liberal ones like from The Newsroom.
Not “Republican.” And the TV drama monologue is far more direct than anything DC politicians in either party have put forward.
Definitely republican and looking to TV shows instead of dealing with reality is ridiculous.
Right, because Obama is definitely “dealing with reality”, huh?
Yes, he is. You guys are still running around crying about Syrian refugees all being terrorists.
Is the anything you guys aren’t afraid of these days?
Nobody is “crying” about anything, simply asking for sober-mindedness regarding the reality of the times. If all you can do is couch the argument in terms of being “afraid”, then you aren’t interested in reality. If I’m unarmed and a group armed home invaders come into my house, what the hell good does it do me to not be afraid? Would you consider that a rational, “reality”-based response?
What armed invaders are coming into your house? The refugees? Those dangerous men and women looking for food, shelter, and a meager paying job without risking their lives just to walk outside?
You can’t even properly parse an analogy. The question “Is there anything you guys aren’t afraid of these days?” was asked. To illustrate the abject stupid of that logic and the complete irrelevance to the real issues, I issued the aforementioned comparison. It has nothing to do with “men and women looking for food” or whatever line you want to use to describe the “refugee crisis”. I guess you would rather live in a “Fantasy Land” to avoid the reality that this is more likely what’s coming:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA_0HHKmfGs
Yes. You are crying like babies over some made up fear. The GOP has you fools scared of your own shadows!
You got the obligatory “fear” deflection out there, but you forgot the “racist”, “xenophobic”, and “ethnocentric” ones. Every little bit will help if you’re trying to divert the point.
Don’t you guys realize that the only people who would run from bombings and shootings in their home countries are people who want to kill us?
The reality, contrary to the fantasy you would paint, is that these poor people, fleeing violence and oppression, almost invariably bring the violence and oppression with them and grow it anew in their new “homeland”.
Women being beaten to death for “honor killings”, female circumcision, and more quaint customs from the Middle East/Africa are just a few of the things these poor people often have a hard time leaving behind when they come to the civilized world. Thanks, but no thanks. We have enough problems and home-grown shit without bringing more in from elsewhere.
Just like Ted Cruz and Rubio’s patents?
Mexicans and Cubans are Christian and as such can be assimilated into this country and respect our laws and constitution. Muslims cannot be assimilated….they seek to force us to conform to their laws not vice versa. An person can only be an American not American hyphenated anything else (Muslim-American is an oxymoron). And before you respond with a rant on Christianity ask yourself why liberals hate Christianity so much but are enamored of Islam whose followers will kill their precious LGBTs quicker than you can say “Jihad”…..and last time I checked, Christians don’t kill people for leaving the faith or failing to convert.
Bullshit. What laws have Muslims forced you to conform to? What about the Hindus, Scientologists, Jews, Buddhists and yikes Atheists they aren’t Christians? As far as forcing anything on me – how about the Southern Baptists, Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons who are constantly knocking on my door attempting to sway me to their beliefs and how I’m going to hell otherwise.
First of all, someone knocking on your door and handing you a pamphlet does not compare to someone knocking on your door and cutting your head off. As for Muslims forcing us to conform to their laws…..that only happens when they reach a majority in a population and establish the Caliphate. Why do you think the Syrian refugees are mostly all men of fighting age….that is their goal. Please tell me you are simply uninformed and not one of those “head in the sands”, pathologically compassionate people, At least if it is a matter of getting exposed to some facts there is hope for you.
As far as I’m concerned I consider people pestering me at home with THEIR beliefs harassment. So you admit Muslims in the US aren’t forcing laws on us. Only in some unrealistic far off world that you fear. I understand perfectly what is happening over in the mid east and Africa. I also understand the risks and possibilities of terrorism occurring in the US. What I do know is that there is zero possibility of the US or Europe ever being part of a Caliphate.
Two points: 1) He who will not learn from history is doomed to repeat it. 2) A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.
Europe never being a Caliphate??? Are you that clueless about what is happening over there? They took in almost a million muslims this year and are on track to get 3-4 million more by 2017. Europe is lost. Watch the video “Open Gates” the forced collective suicide of Europe
https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=open+gates+video&ei=UTF-8&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-004
By the way, Hamtramck, MI just elected a muslim town council. They are in the majority there. Let’s see what happens if the LGBT community decides to have a parade down main street.
Coming soon to a town near you.
There was a clear agenda behind the “With Gates Wide Open” video. While some real footage of Muslim refugees is used, several deceptive practices were employed in the editing of the film. For instance, many of the individual shots used in the film appear on screen for only a few brief moments, which makes it difficult to determine the contexts of those scenes.
Take the clip shown at the 7:43 mark, for example. The audio comes from a man talking about how he is afraid to walk down the street due to the growing refugee population, while the visual shows someone being attacked. In the context of the video it is reasonable to assume that the man is being attacked by refugees, but that is not the case. Instead of showing refugees attacking an innocent civilian, the clip actually shows two Slovakian migrant workers who were attacked by leftist activist in Stockholm:
Similarly, a clip at the 7:51 mark that is played as the narrator talks about “crime skyrocketing” has nothing to do with refugees. The clip comes from a 2013 incident in which soccer fans rioted following Paris Saint-Germain’s first French league title in 19 years.
The video also uses previously debunked footage purportedly showing Muslims on a train in Germany in 2015. That piece of footage actually came from France and was first uploaded to YouTube in 2010, before the current Syrian refugee crisis began:
The “With Gates Wide Open” video features glimpses of violence in cities across the world. While the video is edited to make it seem as though all of the incidents involve refugees in Europe, that is simply not the case.
Another point you should consider….part of the plan is to migrate to western countries and once there, breed as fast as they can in their own population and with natives (non-muslims) so they can grow their numbers quickly. And no I am not an alarmist, I am a realist and I have read the teachings of Mohammed. Islam has nothing good planned for the Western World and you better wake up!
BREED? Ok, good-bye.
” And no I am not an alarmist”
lol
If all Muslims did was pester us Infidels with pamphlets there would be no ISIS
Can we please let a few in so they can throw a few million or so Liberals off rooftops to help clean up our gene pool? Or behead them, doesn’t really matter to me.
Good point, Taz. It actually crossed my mind today that it’s a damn shame that the ones wringing their hands and clamoring for us to bring hordes of muzzies in, despite the fact that there will be terrorists or other unwanted drama with them, won’t be the first ones to be beheaded, raped, or have a female loved one raped, or otherwise be menaced by these savages. As with the judges who turn violent criminals loose to inflict harm on innocents time after time, or a governor like Mike Huckabee who orders early release of same, instead of them or their family, it will be some innocent person and/or their loved-ones who are harmed.
Sadly, Karma can be really slow in coming home to the idiots who set the rest of us up for failure.
I think we should all watch Rambo III for lessons on how to deal with Sunni terrorists.
Killing by proxy is a rite of passage for Republicans.
They wear and fondle guns to show their allegiance to the cult of death.
But the people who have fucked them over for decades is giving them an option they know they can’t trust us to respect, or death! Are we not reasonable?
Win the hearts and minds of your enemies by proving to them we *still* can’t win a guerrilla war from the air *or* on the ground.
Nothing like a fat rat-fuck American hypocrite swaggering around in cheap spandex walmart camouflage underwear with a heart condition, talking about how America is “exceptional.”
Standing at the gas pump, proudly pumping 70 dollars of 10% ethanol gas into his gas-guzzling copy of the Iraq war bankrupt Hummer that even the Chinese won’t make.
You ARE one of America’s enemies ALWAYS giving aid and comfort those seeking to destroy this nation.
If we really want to destroy ISIS and set an example for other radical Muslims and the Putins of the world to fear us and leave us in peace, we must use the tools that can do this. Put simply, we should employ tactical nuclear weapons to wipe out the enemy. We cannot worry that Islamic civilians will be killed in the process. In the end this strategy, as was true of the Japanese in World War II, saves not just American but Muslim lives as well.
This website has LONG chided the GOP warmongers.
Only because it costs too much.
Exactly.
“Many confuse this website’s support for non-interventionist foreign policy as being dovish. Rest assured, it is not.”
Yes, God forbid anyone is “dovish”. If Jesus was who he really said he was, I’d love to see his commentary on the above statement.
LMAO.Trouble and euwe lovin on the terrorists…
LMAO? If you believe that, why is it “funny”?
Funny that you would expose yourself as the America hating fool you are.
You’ve got a strange sense of humor, aside from having perception problems. (with reality that is)
You just compared America to Nazi Germany.My perception is 100% correct!
I compared the misplaced patriotic jingoism of some in the US to those in the Nazi empire.
There’s a distinction there that you’ve lost.
What event made you loathe your country?
Oh you’re such an idiot sometimes. A collectivist too. How can I even discuss things with you when you’re constantly presupposing what people think, how, etc?
I really think you do it on purpose to vilify anyone who disagrees with you as I have a hard time believing you can’t see nuance.
ALERT> Hold on I just got an email from Mark Sanford about this. Be back.
He’s the new flavor of flip’s Disqus account, so needless to say his derangement finds killing people in foreign lands funny and sane minds as evil.
Why would you chide those that seek to defend this nation and her people?
He’s confused, he doesn’t want to be called “dovish”, yet somehow knows warmongering is wrong.
Btw, God isn’t going to ask you when you get to the pearly gates whether you defended a nation and its people, he’s going to ask you if you behaved in a way pleasing to him.
Nazi’s felt like they were defending their homeland at one point, the Russians, the Maoists, etc. et al
So now you define America as Nazi Germany? Sweet Jesus!
No, that’s you flip/pogo.
I look at the bigger picture. The US gov’t has been meddling over there for a good 70 years or so now, the West way more than that.
So let em all come here as refugees so they can meddle here? Great plan.
I never said “let all come here”, that’s you making shit up.
They are coming here and liberals like you want to let em in.
He isn’t even a liberal you dumb motherfucker.
Self-proclaimed libertard.Same thing.Libertarians elect Democrats.
Actually, morons like you do, by scaring off sane voters from giving Republicans a chance.
We gave the Republicans power while you RINO’s were salivating over your god Obama.
Obama would have lost his re election if it wasn’t for people like you scaring off moderates and sane people from the party. Fuck you, you’ve done a lot to ruin our great nation.
That was your boy Romney promising immigration reform and Amnesty.We ain’t following your LOSER lead this time.
We the People not only have a Muslim enemy in the Middle East to defeat, but also a Muslim sympathizer in the White House that is bent on destroying our Judeo-Christian heritage and way of life.
YOU elected him!
Don’t forget you did too !
Hey dude.Did they bathe ya today and give you a shave?
Shut up fucking idiot. I never said that, nor do I desire it.
ALERT>>>
From my political hero,Mark Sanford.He wrote the book on defeating the DNC and ALL things Democrat!!! :
Dear Friend,
Any crisis brings with it a chance for reflection, and in the wake of all that has transpired since the Paris tragedy we all have much to think about – and thanks for the blessing of life is certainly something I thought about over the weekend.
I write on two threats and two blessings. The threat of sinister groups like ISIS is alive and real and is our focus on it, it’s important we not lose sight of the financial threat that continues to grow in this country. The blessings are in friendship and purpose…something we may appreciate a touch more when we see others who have senselessly lost both.
More on that in a moment…but first a touch on the current news.
It seems that the administration has repeatedly downplayed the strength of ISIS. Just last Friday, the President noted that “We have contained ISIS”…a proclamation made just hours before the terrorist attacks took place in Paris. Last year, the President likened ISIS to a JV team…
When the leading Democratic Senator on the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, Dianne Feinstein, offers she has “never been more concerned,” as “ISIL is not contained. ISIL is expanding,” it reinforces the importance in being diligent in watching those who have said they will come to our shores.
For that reason, I’ve signed onto a host of bills that would curtail the President’s ability to allow refugees to enter this country. I think pausing before taking action here is prudent.
Like Trump?
Get real…
You are right, every time I shot a hippie, my pecker got hard.
Hmmm. I’m surprised you could actually see your pecker. According to your circle jerk partners it’s mighty small.
You must not have seen the movies ‘Walking Tall” with Buford Pusser.
Walk tall and carry a big stick is erneba’ motto!
I understand that when a shot hippie dies, his pecker gets hard – and he shits and pisses.
I think it was a curious cowboy that told me that, in a moment of weakness.
huh ?
Welcome back! Took a nice break?
The opposite – I’m neck deep in abstract dependencies.
If you ever want to come over and touch mine just say so.
I have my own… I take it out when my wife isn’t home, and have my way with it.
He called us all ‘faggots’ today. You escaped that wrath.
Throw a rock at a pack of dogs and the one that howls the loudest is the one you hit.
faggot….You contribute NOTHING pussy…
Very appropriate for FITS…VERY appropriate for you.
In other news.Bye Bye Obamacare!
The U.S.’s biggest health insurer is considering pulling out of Obamacare, a month after saying it would expand its presence in the program.
UnitedHealth Group Inc. is scaling back marketing efforts for plans it’s selling this year under the Affordable Care Act, and may quit the market entirely in 2017, because the business has proven to be more costly than expected. It’s an abrupt shift from October, when the health insurer said it was planning to sell coverage in 11 new markets next year, bringing its total to 34. The company also cut its 2015 earnings forecast.
A pull-back would deal a significant blow to President Barack Obama’s signature domestic policy achievement.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/biggest-us-health-insurer-may-quit-obamacare/ar-BBncjie?li=AAa0dzB
FITS ain’t interested in the real world (unless it’s the one on MTV) …he’s busy trying to tell us reality is what he sees on the tube.
And for him, and his minions, it is. It’s why they crap all over themselves when the DNC script is interrupted by the truth…
lol…I jabbed him with a little ‘Sanford’ today….:)
There was a movement that started in the 1930’s in Germany and was set to consume all of Europe and surrounding areas before the world gathered up enough fortitude, lead by the United States to defeat it. A simultaneous movement, although of less ferocity, but with enough capability to consume the majority of Asia, had its birth in Japan. And the US played a major role in the defeat of Japan. These two countries along with their political ideologies were out to conquer and control a major portion, if not all, the world. If not for spending four years at war, we would probably now be speaking Japanese in San Francisco and German in New York City.
We now have the leaders of a religious philosophy that essentially declared war on the US and the Christian world on September 11, 2001. They have not succeeded in conquering us, in a short period of time, fifteen years, but the fight continues at a slow pace. They are killing thousands of Christians and non Muslims every year. They have stated their strategy, are carrying it out, and the civilized world, ignores the threat. Their radical religious philosophy has established no time frame for conquering the world, and it does seem they would be satisfied if they had to fight for hundreds, if not, thousands of years.
Various sects and groups within this religion are more evil and vile than the worst Nazi’s or Japanese. They have no respect for human life unless you are a Muslim.
Why we, and the civilized world, are not treating this as a priority and confronting and killing these religious radicals is beyond comprehension.
Seems we are facing a similar situation as we were facing in the late thirties and early forties. Eliminate the problem or suffer continuing and ever-expanding consequences.
You are killing them with facts.It will be dead quiet now.
“We now have the leaders of a religious philosophy that essentially declared war on the US and the Christian world on September 11, 2001. ”
Let’s assume for a moment the above statement is correct for the sake of argument(and I’m not granting that, I’m just saying it to move forward in discussion):
What % of this movement represents Muslim culture in general? Is it important to consider WHY your claim might have occurred(if so)? In other words, what directed a radical Muslim agenda towards our shores?
I think it’s important to sincerely ask that question, because its answer could direct how to approach the problem.
If Muslim’s were left alone, would even the radicals among them have reason to blow themselves up in our midst?
Some might sincerely believe they would, out of some sense of misplaced ideology surrounding “killing the infidels”…I myself highly doubt it.
Radicalism is much harder to find among a prosperous, happy people. (not impossible mind you, but reduced greatly)
“In other words, what directed a radical Muslim agenda towards our shores?” You really are uninformed and stupid.
Quran (2:191-193) – “And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing…
but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)” (Translation is from the Noble Quran) The verse prior to this (190) refers to “fighting for the cause of Allah those who fight you” leading some to believe that the entire passage refers to a defensive war in which Muslims are defending their homes and families. The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, however, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). Verse 190 thus means to fight those who offer resistance to Allah’s rule (ie. Muslim conquest). The use of the word “persecution” by some Muslim translators is disingenuous (the actual Arabic words for persecution – “idtihad” – and oppression – a variation of “z-l-m” – do not appear in the verse). The word used instead, “fitna”, can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. This is certainly what is meant in this context since the violence is explicitly commissioned “until religion is for Allah” – ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.
Ok, but in the context of the “comfortable Muslim”, how many practice “killing the Infidel”?
The Old Testament pushes eating your kids, stoning adulterers, etc. but you don’t see the Jews running around doing it.
Myself, I’m not religious…but I’m just saying that you don’t see most people in any particular religion taking some of its tenants to the extreme.
See you don’t think outside the ‘box’ you live in.
Obama told America he was going to ‘transform’ aka DESTROY America.
ISIS and radical Islam is telling you liberal socialists they want to kill you.
WTF is wrong with you people?
“Obama told America he was going to ‘transform’ aka DESTROY America.”
What you heard was “destroy”. Sure, Obama is mostly a in the closet socialist…but in his head he’s “fixing” America.
“ISIS and radical Islam is telling you liberal socialists they want to kill you.”
So once again, I’m not a “liberal socialist”. Secondly, you have to ask yourself flip/pogo “why”. Until you ask yourself “why”, beyond the scriptures a few extreme lunatics live by, you’ll struggle to understand a solution outside of killing them all.
If this was a religious war on the scale you and others would have us believe, why aren’t all Muslims trying kill all Christians?
Appears to me they are at least plotting to kill Christians.If only the walls inside the mosques inside this country could talk????
I think you are painting Muslims with a very wide brush. Think about this, I’ve actually read that two sets of Muslim parents of the terrorist 20 somethings in Paris had already disowned their children for their extreme beliefs-
1 set of the parents had already expressed that they had previously hoped their children were dead.
So while their parenting obviously sucked, they still had the ability to understand evil for what it is…and they are Muslim.
Good point.Parents disown em.Wonder why Obama wants em as refugees?
There’s something called “pathological altruism” that infects many people on the Left. They are good people in intent, but don’t fully examine/understand the nature of wealth distribution and ignore that it requires an “evil” to start.(taxes)
I may hire you as my psychiatrist.I believe God has ordained me to save America and the burden is heavy. :)
Read the Koran. It states very clearly that followers of Islam (Muslims) must kill and enslave infidels (non-muslims). People who don’t believe in the Koran are not muslims. A person who self identifies as Muslim and does not follow the teachings of Mohammed they either don’t understand Islam or they are wolves hiding in sheep clothing. Is it possible there are secular people who come from an Islamic background and have wandered away from the faith? Sure but they aren’t Muslim. There is no watered down version of the Koran….it is an all or nothing proposition
Ok, but did you read my point above about the Old Testament and the Jews?
Are you going to apply the same standard to them?
Or do Jews simply not understand or are wolves in sheep clothing when it comes to eating their kids or stoning adulterers?
Since declaring their “global caliphate” in June of last year, Islamic State – also known as ISIL and ISIS has executed 10,000 men, women, and children. The London-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights says that 3,207 have been killed in that country alone.
Got any stats on how many Jews have killed since last June?
I hate when you make a fool of yourself.
Let’s look at how many Jews have killed in one exchange, the Gaza War, from 08-09:
6,400–6,700
But for a more encompassing look at Jewish lead specific killing, see the following link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_casualties_of_war
Now, do you see me declaring Jew ideology defunct and claiming they have an unquenched desire to kill all those not conforming?
No, of course not.
Damn wars! Are Jews out to exterminate ANYONE based on their faith?
Are you blaming the Jewish people for the Halocaust?
Are you really that daft?
I am deft.
lol…ok, that’s funny.
Time for work.I enjoyed shredding your incoherent world view today.
Peace.
The short answer? Yes.
faggot
What a load of shit. There are plenty of self identifying Muslims who don’t believe any of that. Just like there are self-identifying Christians (like yourself) who don’t follow all of Jesus’ teachings. I have Muslim friends who drink and eat bacon. Turn off FoxNews, crazy.
They can call themselves Muslim but if they don’t follow the Koran then they are not Muslim. That is according to the Imams. Someone who doesn’t believe that Christ died for our sins is not a Christian no matter how many times they claim they are
Suzanne darling. Thanksgiving is close. May I suggest you go in the kitchen and prepare your christian feast, but remember no bacon and if you are good baptist watch the booze.
And your so-called Muslim friends wouldn’t last 2 seconds in Saudi Arabia….they would convert or die
Absolutely correct, they have no problem invoking the same rules to fellow Muslims that are not “all in” for Allah.
Man, woman, or child, these fanatics will kill their own if they are “infidels.”
Yes, you are correct.
They don’t believe in converting the non-Muslim masses, they believe in killing them, according to the Koran.
“The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with
nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and
fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do
not join the fight are
called ‘hypocrites’ and warned that Allah will send them
to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.”
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm
Read the Koran. It states very clearly that followers of Islam (Muslims) must kill and enslave infidels (non-muslims).
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would you mind posting that excerpt for us?
Thanks in advance.
silly boy….the muslims who are not actively killing right now are the reserves….they will step up to fill the shoes of the dead soldiers of Allah or activate when a greater fighting force is required. Even the women and children are part of the army. Watch the videos of how they start training the little jihadists as early as the age of 2! We are not dealing with rational human beings…we are dealing with savages and vermin. People who continue to support and apologize for them are no better than Muslims. (Yes, YOU!)
The world must be a terrifying place for you if every Muslim in it is engaged in a war on Christians.
She used to work for Raytheon in “Intelligence”.
Suzanne you are the FIRST female (excluding FitsNews Taylor) that speaks fluent TRUTH on FitsNews.
Thank you.
“We are not dealing with rational human beings…we are dealing with savages and vermin.”
Liberalism and the Democrat Party 2015.
So when do I round up some Muslims, tie them to a post for you to shoot like I do rats at the old “dump” (makes my day killing them and keeps my shooting skills honed)
You talk so tough you pull the trigger on old men, women (including pregnant women) and children since they are vermin as you post.
YOU PULL THE TRIGGER AND SLAUGHTER THE VERMIN IF YOU’RE SO SET TO DO THAT
GO AHEAD, I WANT TO SEE YOU DO IT – I SURE AS HELL WON’T STOP YOU. Then you can join the sisterhood of Nazi female guards at the concentration camps who considered the Jews vermin that need to be exterminated
That my friend is the difference between Christianity and Islam….Christians have made adjustments as time has elapsed and have entered the age of reason! Oh sure, you can find biblical text that by today’s standards is horrific and inappropriate and guess what, no one preaches that anymore!
Islam has not done that….they espouse and practice the same teachings just as they were handed down over 2,000 years ago. I rest my case!
You’re really not considering % of extremists vs. not Suzanne.
That’s my whole point. The Middle East didn’t go through the Industrial Revolution at the same time or degree, many are still living subsistence lifestyles-
The truth is a vast majority of Muslims are not seeking to cut off the heads of infidels, just like a vast majority of Jews have no plans to stone adulterers or eat their children.
You’ve preached an overall disdain for Muslims with no regard to how many of them are truly extremist.
“If Muslim’s were left alone, would even the radicals among them have reason to blow themselves up in our midst?”
Ask the Yazidis that same question.
We’re not in Iran’s backyard….
“We’re not in Iran’s backyard….”
Neither is Nigeria.
The movement of people is always a cultural concern, that’s why I’m not for taxpayer subsidized immigration of refugees to the US, even further…the US government doesn’t do a good job of protecting private property in general so there’s that.
But regardless, it’s the whole “birds of a feather” argument. We shouldn’t be on a crusade to make the world like us…instead we should be MYOBing.
Fan Jinghui (Chinese) and Norwegian, Ole Johan Grimsgaard-Ofstad were beheaded this week. ISIS doesn’t discriminate.
You’ve ignored where the men were captured, & you’ve also failed to note that China has no interest still in condoning the bombing in Syria even when asked directly in relation to Fan Jinghui.
Anyone who travels to that region that is not native is simply asking for it.
That Chinese policy has not saved them from terrorist attacks even inside their own borders. It is even in the news today where they have retaliated against terrorist. There are no sidelines in the struggle against ISIS.
“There are no sidelines in the struggle against ISIS.”
lol…yes there are, it’s the sideline named “practicality”.
You want a global jihad as badly as them.
“You want a global jihad as badly as them.”
No. It’s naivety to believe it is not already here. Today the people of Mali are not saying, We should not bombed Iraq.
Dude, I don’t care what the people of “Mali” are saying.
Not only that, Mali has been Muslim forever and it’s most ancient texts written in Arabic.
It’s for all intents and purposes part of Arabic culture and what you’re referring to is more a civil war than anything else. It’s 98% Muslim for crying out loud.
Would you like the US gov’t to interfere there too?
“…what directed a radical Muslim agenda towards our shores?
First thought, goes back to the US and the conflict with Iraq.
I don’t think that is the answer… maybe the actual act of freeing Kuwait and defeating Iraq made the radicals aware of an intrusion by the US in that area, and they did not want it to happen again.The clash of civilizations beginning with the exploitation of oil reserves?
What % of this movement represents Muslim culture in general?
Sympathetic to the cause ..at least 75%
Active among the terrorist…less than 10%
I think directing their terrorism toward us involves the world wide exposure for them that it brings. they need the publicity for recruiting and funding, and having us as an enemy brings that to them.
Those are good questions, you made me rack my brain and I I drew some blanks. The questions should make people think about what really brought this about, who is involved, and why they are involved.
Their actual faith, Islam keeps them from progressing, and along with regional and tribal conflicts, they have become slaves to the past.
And you alluded to just leaving them alone and maybe the terror would subside….. even though that live culturally and religiously in centuries past, would they leave us alone at this.
Random thoughts, you convinced me, that I don’t know as much as I should.
There are millions upon millions of chickenshit Muslims whom live vicariously through ISIS, silently, and sometimes not so silently cheering them on. If confronted they deny it, but you never hear about them informing on radicals. They may not directly help but they don’t interfere either. I don’t know why that is such an outrageous concept, many Christians were rooting for Eric Rudolph on the down low. Libs had no problem acknowledging that. IMO, anyone who wants to kill based on an ancient text is not in their right mind.
Can’t argue with that logic… Good points.
“IMO, anyone who wants to kill based on an ancient text is not in their right mind.”
Agreed, hence my argument via use of Old Testament verses.
I think were I disagree with most here is the figure surrounding how many non-hard liners are really secretly rooting for the extremists-
Thing is, it’s almost impossible to debate because no one is taking polls on the subject among their populace.
They are not in the “right mind’ as we who are not hard-core Muslims look at the world. But to them it makes perfect sense and there is nothing anyone can do to convince them otherwise.
Same can be said for any fundamentalist based religion. Ever hear of the Army of God? Really no difference in mindset between radical Christians or Muslims.
The voice of reason is something they totally block out
Here is a good article that I thinks sums it up rather nicely.
You really caught me flat-footed with that first reply.
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/middle-east/2002-11-01/real-roots-arab-anti-americanism
Shit that article was written back in 2002! Do you math asshole that’s 13 years ago. As always you are behind time or are you on Chesterfield County time?
I finally had a chance to read that link- the major problem I see with it is it never address the CIA coup against the democratically elected PM in 53′
Nor does it really address the power vacuum created by the US gov’t desposing Saddam.
It gives a host of reasons why there is anti-American sentiment is the M.E., but just explains them away as basically convenient tools for extremists…which really doesn’t make sense to me.
It’s an article that tries to come off balanced, but never really addresses the two major interventions in the area by the US.
I think Reagan had the most cogent thoughts on the M.E. after the Beirut bombing:
“In the weeks immediately after the bombing, I believe the last thing that
we should do was turn tail and leave. Yet the irrationality of Middle
Eastern politics forced us to rethink our policy there. If there would
be some rethinking of policy before our men die, we would be a lot
better off. If that policy had changed towards more of a neutral
position and neutrality, those 241 marines would be alive today.”
Yeah, good points.
You are right, there is no straight line explanation from the aftermath of World War Two to the present time. Wrapped up in all this is the adherence and practice of an extreme form of religion of Islam.
Oh come now erneba. Read up on your history. You say and I quote you, “before the world gathered up enough fortitude, lead by the United States to defeat it.” In the 30’s the U.S. was politically and militarily isolationist, due to our involvement for a little over a year (April 1917 to November 1918) in WW1. It’s was the British resolve and fortitude as well as Churchill’s determination that address the German situation before we entered the war, after we were attacked by Japan. Are you suggesting that the Holocaust who the Nazis instituted did not have ferocity as today’s current extremism? Are you suggesting that Japanese vile treatment at the time was not as ferocious as today’s extremism? Are you suggesting that Statin’s treatment, over 20million people butchered, of his people and German citizens? So my boy, typical of you half truths and quite few fibs.
…to one aspect of your point, it could be suggested that the US simply performed clean up duties in both WW1 & 2- minimizing expenditure & casualty.
Absolutely not. I was replying to that idiot erneba’s comments. What I stated is fact not fiction. FDR knew that at some point we would have to enter WW2, however he also understood that a group of politicians and vast number of citizens were against this country entering the war. In addition FDR commited equipment and supplies to England via the Lend Lease program. When we entered WW1, and if you read or studied history I trust you can come to understanding that no way in hell was the U.S. to quote you “performed clean up duties.” Nor I did suggest so. How you could interpret that is beyond me. Notice that erneba doesn’t have the gumption to reply, and typical this coward he and his ilk makes inane comments and then runs and hide.
” In addition FDR commited equipment and supplies to England via the Lend Lease program. When we entered WW1, and if you read or studied history I trust you can come to understanding that no way in hell was the U.S. to quote you “performed clean up duties.”
I really don’t agree with you. I don’t exactly understand your angst towards erneba, but the Lend Lease program if anything shows the US’s unwillingness to enter at the time…really positioning itself for “clean up” in my mind.
I’m not really sure how you interpret it otherwise- especially given your earlier note about the US’s formerly isolationist/non-interventionist policies.
You like your pal erneba are products of a failed South Carolina educational system. Sorry pal can’t make it any easier, may I suggest you keep reading my post till you get. Me thinks you are way over your head and go back for a remedial course.
lol…I didn’t even go to school in SC. You’re right champ, you win. congrats.
I am convinced this Fred guy is an idiot.
Calling him an idiot is giving him way too much credit.
All the bullshit you took the time to write can be condensed into your last sentence; “Eliminate the problem or suffer continuing and ever expanding consequences”
That shit sounds (and more importantly LOOKS) like the same thing the Nazis proposed for “The Final Solution”
You posted that you have “relatives” in the military (1st or 2nd cousins???? maybe a nephew or two???) but obviously you have never served one fucking day over there.
Except for having an opinion to express (which you have every right to as well as FITS) that is as far as your validity goes (again as well as FITS’)
You don’t have one damn day’s worth of knowing what goes on over there but you post reams of words.
Basically you are saying “Kill them all and let God (i.e. your version of a “Christian” God) sort them out”
Your proposal would set the stage for a 100 year old war that the West will tire of in about 1-3 years (5 years tops…) UNLESS the United States or more importantly the UN) establishes a version of the French Foreign Legion.
Even then I ain’t betting on a successful outcome
It’s the fall of Saigon 10 to the 3rd power…………….
Again, you (and your kind) don’t have a fucking clue…………
Have another beer on me.
Excellent post sparkle city. See how this clown erneba “the boy” from Chesterfield County reacts, one liners with absolutely no intelligent back up what so ever. Typical ultra conservative behavior with no substance and totally misinformed. Did you ever know of anyone worth his weight that came out of his county. Dirt poor,uneducated with no social skills or desire to better himself. This is his only outlet where can try to express himself. One lonely looser.
Modified Will’s text a bit…wonder how this would have worked out?
U.S. leaders should immediately agree to cease any and all offensive operations against Nazi Germany and its allies and remove all U.S. military assets from Europe and the far east. More importantly, America should stop subsidizing the defense of Russia and Great Britain and the weaponization of various factions in the battle for European / Asian supremacy. We should pull out of the area completely, in other words.
Why? Because our strategy there has failed (at a colossal price tag) … and it will continue to fail moving forward. Guaranteed.
In exchange for this concession (which our nation’s current fiscal situation necessitates, it’s worth noting), Nazi Germany and its allies will vow to never again target Americans at home or abroad – including our tourists, our flagged vessels, etc. In fact, its leaders will sign a treaty expressly and permanently condemning violence against America and her citizens in acknowledgement of our support for self-determination in the European / Asian world.
Basically it’s like this: We agree to stop trying (and failing) to “make the world safe for democracy,” and they agree to leave our democracy – such as it is – alone.
Isolationism did not work in the early 20th century and won’t work now.
Good points.
“..wonder how this would have worked out? ”
As I said, We would probably be speaking German on the East coast and Japanese out West.
“We agree to stop trying (and failing) to “make the world safe for
democracy,” and they agree to leave our democracy – such as it is –
alone.”
That won’t happen, these people are religiously committed and driven to “kill the Infidels.” That has been part of their everyday life in the Middle East and they are now looking for franchises world-wide.
Reset is all any form of militant will ever understand. There is no reasoning, negotiating, bargaining, group hugs, etc.We’re dead or they’re dead. Or, devolution will solve liberal global warming. It’s all the same issue from a political view.
If you bomb a terrorist group then you never have to bomb them again. Also, if you bomb them then they will fear you and they will never try to defeat us or threaten us. Also, it is important to have nukes ready just incase a country tries to nuke us we are prepared. My motto on nuke is one and done!
Fits plan is exactly what ISIS is hoping for. Their book believes in an Armageddon and that is what they want. That is what his policy would achieve and ISIS would refuse the American offer.
This plan would achieve many of ISIS policy goals. It is what they pray for.
1. Right now ISIS kills many times more Muslims than Christians or others. They kill them in Bagdad, Beirut, Egypt, Yemen, Libya and Syria. They even execute the Taliban in Afghanistan. This policy would unite Muslims, who are now deeply divided, against America.
2. This policy would alienate our friends among the Muslims.
3. This policy would divide Americans more than they are already are.
4. This policy would divide America from its western allies.
5. This policy would not end terrorism, but would increase its frequency.
What other book believes in an end times with a one world government?
Matthew 18:7 — Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh! – KSV
In taking on the Muslim caliphate, now being spearheaded by ISIS, we need to take a lesson from President Harry Truman in ending World War II. Showing real grit and leadership, Truman and his advisers correctly concluded that even if thousands of Japanese civilians had to be sacrificed in dropping atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, this seemingly unthinkable strategy would save countless lives in the end. And, not just the lives of U.S. servicemen who were then fighting in the Pacific theater, but by bringing the war to a close quickly also countless Japanese lives as well.
Give em Armageddon.Tactical nuclear weapons.
Against groups like ISIS, tactical nukes could be choice for massive bombardment what required destroying their groups. And i’m not speaking now about 100Kt A-bomb, but small tactical weapons, 1-2K should be enough. Saves money, time and most important lives of US troops when one airplane with rightly delivered package does it all. There is no need to send hundreds of pilots for unnecessary danger. Tactical nuke keeps damage to minimum so we don’t see any “new Hiroshima”.
2. This policy would alienate our friends among the Muslims
Please educate yourself….the Muslims are not our friends
Qur’an
(3:28) – This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as
friends, unless it is to “guard themselves” against danger, meaning that
there are times when a Muslim may appear friendly to non-Muslims, though they should not feel that way..
Qur’an (9:3)
– “…Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters…”
The dissolution of oaths with the pagans who remained at Mecca following its
capture. They did nothing wrong, but were evicted anyway.
Qur’an (40:28)
– A man is introduced as a believer, but one who must “hide his faith”
among those who are not believers.
Bukhari (52:269) – “The Prophet said, ‘War is deceit.'” The context of this is thought to be the murder of Usayr ibn Zarim and his thirty unarmed men by Muhammad’s men after he “guaranteed” them safe passage
Bukhari (49:857) – “He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar.” Lying is permitted when the end justifies the means.
Bukhari (84:64-65) – Speaking from a position of power at the time, Ali confirms that lying is permissible in order to deceive an “enemy.”
Oh my!!!! Suzanne is smarter than Haley. Checkmate!
Well, there are Kurdish Muslims who are doing a lot of fighting for us in northern Syria and Iraq.
The Jewish Holy Book, Talmud: ” The Jews are called human beings. but the non-Jews are called Beasts.” Talmud: Baba Mezia, 114b page referral. ” A pregnant non-Jew is no better than a pregnant animal.” Talmud: Coschen Hamischpat 405. ” If you eat with a non-Jew it is the same as eating with a dog.” Talmud: Tosapoth, Jebamoth.
Jewish religious leaders are allowed to have sex with any male or female over 3 years of age.
You see what Suzanne did there? The only good Muslim is a dead Muslim in her world.
She doesn’t see any “friends among the Muslims”. She probably doesn’t even realize we consider the Saudi’s allies.
Tell Thumper you like Haley and he will agree with anything you post.Way you liberals roll.
We should send our Mormon friends to show them that following a false profit can actually be pretty swell if you don’t kill everybody.
lulz- that’s a good one.
Well, that may have worked in the past when Mormons could have multiple wives.
Harry Reid? That didn’t turn out well for senate Democrats.
Execuse me, but I believe the correct spelling is prophet not profit. Profit has something to with finance and prophet is a religious thing!
Incredible. Is this still the USA? People think this clown is Presidential material? He called a protestor seriously overweight yesterday and now this insane idea. Will he require that they wear a M or I on their clothing too?
Trump would not rule out warrantless searches in his plans for increased surveillance of the nation’s Muslims, Yahoo reported Thursday.
He also remained open toward registering U.S. Muslims in a database or giving them special identification identifying their faith, the news outlet added.
Sounds like a plan.Do the same with the illegals until we deport them.
Well, well, well… Will attended the Hill School. That explains a lot.
We can help!
IG Farben helped to develop agent orange. Two friends who fought in Vietnam died from it’s use there.
It’s on now with the crisis in Mali: The West vs. Islam…..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s570OpuW04
Not really the only choice.
The “youth” in the Arab secretly desire all the decadent “rap” & other contemporary music they can listen to. I say we do a couple of things:
1. Airdrop shitloads of “gangsta rap” & other contemporary music CD’s, DVD’s and flash cards.
2. Recruit & handsomely pay shit loads of Bloods, Crips and other street gangs to go over there and raise total hell to lure the “youth” away from fundamentalist Islam…….
When you think about it the only thing that this country has been totally successful in exporting world wide is the “3M’s” (Music {i.e. blues, jazz, rock & roll, “rap”}, Movies, and McDonalds……….)!!!!!!!
The youth in the racist state of Israel are a murderous gang of sociopaths bent on exterminating the heroic Palestinian people. We should airdrop a million copies of Mien Kamp, which I read in the 7th grade. Although it’s generally the intellectual class that spearheads the revolution, the Bloods & Crips will be needed as foot solders here in the wilderness of North Amerikkka.
Gentlemen, what’s wrong with ‘recruiting’ all of the Five Points thugs and sending them for a 90 day tour — come back alive and get one day reduction of sentence for each ‘scalp’ accounted for. (just a wild late night thought …..)
Sir, let’s send the cooperate thugs on a 60 day tour of Syria & pray they do not return. Let’s not forget the banksters who made millions homeless in 2008.
Oh, to refute another baseless proposition, America has exported more death dealing weapons than all other nations combine. And that does include nuclear ones.
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It’s the strategy that the dictators of these lands used before we killed them, and substituted chaos with the express purpose of westernizing foreign countries with bombs.