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What Is The Real Unemployment Rate In America?

HINT: IT’S SOMEWHERE BETWEEN FIVE AND FORTY-TWO PERCENT … || By FITSNEWS || GOP presidential frontrunner Donald Trump made headlines this week when he suggested America’s real unemployment rate was 42 percent. His claim – dismissed as “wild” by the mainstream media – refers to the United States’ steadily deteriorating labor participation…

HINT: IT’S SOMEWHERE BETWEEN FIVE AND FORTY-TWO PERCENT …

|| By FITSNEWS || GOP presidential frontrunner Donald Trump made headlines this week when he suggested America’s real unemployment rate was 42 percent.

His claim – dismissed as “wild” by the mainstream media – refers to the United States’ steadily deteriorating labor participation rate. According to the latest data, a whopping 94 million working age Americans are not part of the labor force (a number which soared by 261,000 in August).

That puts this widely watched indicator at 62.6 percent … its lowest level in nearly four decades.

When U.S. president Barack Obama took office in 2009, the labor participation rate was 65.8 percent.  When former president George W. Bush took office in 2011, it was 67.1 percent.

At the other end of the spectrum?  A 5.1 percent unemployment rate … the lowest in seven years.

Trump calls that number a “joke.”

Is he right?

Yes …

Unemployment is down, but it’s not because the American economy is creating jobs at anywhere near the level it ought to be. And those jobs it is creating?  They’re not raising wages.

The mainstream media is free to mock “The Donald” all it wants – calling into question his numbers as well as his terminology.  But at the end of the day, numbers don’t lie.  As a percentage of the population, fewer people are part of the labor force now than at any point since the late 1970s.

And the amount of money they are earning is steadily declining …

Oh, and that’s government data.  Not Trump-speak.

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55 comments

Elfego September 28, 2015 at 4:14 pm

Government manipulates numbers all the time.

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Manray9 September 28, 2015 at 4:20 pm

So does Sic.

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zock September 28, 2015 at 6:46 pm

So do you, dick bump.

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zock puppet September 29, 2015 at 10:27 am

So does your mother.

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vicupstate September 28, 2015 at 4:24 pm

Another total Horseshit ‘the sky is falling’ economic horror story from Zero Hedge/FITS.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/feb/10/ted-cruz/ted-cruz-says-92-million-americans-arent-working/

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U R Ignorant of REALITY September 28, 2015 at 4:47 pm

People KNOW the truth Dumbass. We LIVE in the country. We SEE what is going on. Not enough groceries for WORKING people. College grads living at home w/ parents, FT jobs cut into PT…and people just trying to bide their time until Obama is gone, and we can fix the Fucking mess you’ve made.

We don’t just sit on our asses, taking food stamps, living in gov’t housing, talking on an Obama-Phone all day…like you ignorant MoFos must. We’re having to deal with the disaster o liberalism gone wild.

Why do you think Hillary and the allies of the Democrat Party are tanking?

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Sic Semper Tyrannis September 28, 2015 at 5:24 pm

You are either blind, dumb, or SC educated.

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Rocky Verdad September 28, 2015 at 6:07 pm

He lives in Crapville. For vacation he went to Shit Town. On weekends he visits Dumpsboro. He wouldn’t know what’s going on in America if it bit him in the ass. Though he’d enjoy it.

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nchuckler September 28, 2015 at 6:20 pm

Crapville?You are awfully judgemental. Raised 3 children and NEVER had time in my day for the kind of time you spend on Fits.

Sounds like it is Crapville in Verdadville for the children?

Sic Semper Tyrannis September 28, 2015 at 6:40 pm

I wouldn’t call them children. I’d call an future freaks as you are.

nchuckler September 28, 2015 at 6:47 pm

You failed this country and your fellow Marines.erneba is a veteran and makes us proud.You sir, are a disgrace.

Sic Semper Tyrannis September 28, 2015 at 6:54 pm

I bet ” Squidly ” had ammo for his weapons ? We didn’t you fuck up.

nchuckler September 28, 2015 at 6:56 pm

‘We didn’t you fuck up.’

lol! Translate you illiterate bastard! Oh my!

Sic Semper Tyrannis September 28, 2015 at 6:59 pm

Ok, i need to adjust my droid. Have your laugh

nchuckler September 28, 2015 at 7:03 pm

adjust your droid? You fucking idiot! Just put the 40 oz Colt 45 down!

Sic Semper Tyrannis September 28, 2015 at 7:24 pm

Translationcomplete: Reagan ORDERED no ammo for airport security. He should of been tried for treason like Bush ! He murdered 243 Marines for ” Brinkmanship ” as your buddy says it. Check it with eneuba ?

nchuckler September 28, 2015 at 7:30 pm

Pussy Marine you are.

nchuckler September 28, 2015 at 7:32 pm

The Marines had lax security at the barracks.

Sic Semper Tyrannis September 28, 2015 at 10:15 pm

I’ll pass.

nchuckler September 28, 2015 at 10:28 pm

You must have.

Sic Semper Tyrannis September 29, 2015 at 7:28 am

That is the government version

Sic Semper Tyrannis September 28, 2015 at 7:03 pm

I’m glad to disgrace both of you ! You both are not American at this point in your lives. Just Old R puppets. Dinosaurs that want to reverse time, LOL.

nchuckler September 28, 2015 at 7:05 pm

You don’t think Obama is a ISIS and Russia ‘puppet’?

Sic Semper Tyrannis September 28, 2015 at 7:18 pm

Why would I?

nchuckler September 28, 2015 at 6:53 pm

Calling Rocky’s children ‘freaks’ is sad.Get some help!

nchuckler September 28, 2015 at 6:59 pm

Nobody fucking talks to you all day.I don’t mind.

Flip's Condition Isn't Genetic September 29, 2015 at 10:26 am

I doubt that his kids are like him. It seems like Flip was probably dropped on his head as a child twelve too many times.

Rocky Verdad September 28, 2015 at 8:36 pm

We have 4.8% unemployment in Verdadville.

nchuckler September 28, 2015 at 8:58 pm

Please.I have visited Charleston SEVERAL times.Parts of it look like South Africa.20% unemployment at LEAST!

ZeroFacts September 29, 2015 at 10:24 am

As usual.

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What's the point? September 28, 2015 at 4:35 pm

The numbers have been calculated tge same way for decades. Whether it’s a repub or dem administration. What’s the point here? If the numbers are wrong, they’ve always been wrong.

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Same Game, Different Teams September 29, 2015 at 10:22 am

The number is only valid if it is favorable for the party in question. Who wants to bet that we wouldn’t hear about labor participation rates if Ron Paul were prez?

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You're now like NAZI Germany September 28, 2015 at 4:43 pm

WTF difference does it make?

FITSNews, and its dolts, will believe whatever Obama tells you.

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GrandTango, FITSNews Addict September 29, 2015 at 10:28 am

Yet you keep coming here day after day. You must be an Obama supporter then.

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erneba September 28, 2015 at 4:59 pm

It is called cooking the books on both sides. I think Trump is wrong and I also think the current administration is wrong. The true unemployment rate is probably somewhere around ten per cent, if calculated by methods used prior to the Obama administration.
The United States economy needs a jump start and the current administration is incapable of doing that when all their policies are based social and political motivations

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Bible Thumper September 28, 2015 at 5:13 pm

There are more old people. They are living longer. If they won’t work, they should at least die.

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Rocky Verdad September 28, 2015 at 6:08 pm

You might be a Republican, but at least you gots a brain.

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nchuckler September 28, 2015 at 6:26 pm

Thumper seems like a good guy and great American.He skews ALL opinions based on if it helps Nikki Haley, however.He can’t argue that SC is doing well under Haley unless he also defends the fact 94 million are unemployed,40 million are on Food Stamps and 80 million on Medicaid.

Smart man.

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Bible Thumper September 28, 2015 at 8:47 pm

That’s because I’m not a Tea party – throw the bums out with the bath water Republicans.
I’m a crony capitalist – establishment – warmonger. What we need is more money in politics.

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nchuckler September 28, 2015 at 6:35 pm

Counting high-school-age kids (roughly 10 million) and Americans 65 and up (17.6 million) we are at 68 million not working.Subtract 8 million for college age.

60 million NOT working. All your numbers and unemployment is still 25-30%.

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Sic Semper Tyrannis September 28, 2015 at 6:56 pm

Get a job fuckhead !

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nchuckler September 28, 2015 at 6:58 pm

I have two! You need one? Will the homeless shelter let you work? I will send Boz over on his bicycle to pick you up.

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erneba September 28, 2015 at 5:39 pm

If you want the real unemployment rate, check out the Forbes site. The Forbes Company does not harbor any political bias, as far as I know.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/dandimicco/2015/02/13/jobs-the-real-unemployment-rate-please-anyone/

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Tom September 29, 2015 at 5:46 pm

Good, then you want mind if we start running things more like the Countries ahead of us on this list.
http://www.forbes.com/best-countries-for-business/list/

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erneba September 29, 2015 at 6:18 pm

I have not the slightest clue as to what kind of idiocy you are attempting to peddle.
Hint: Try it on someone, that does not work with me.

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Dorchester County Felons September 28, 2015 at 6:45 pm

The construction industry is crawling with illegal aliens. Just look at the new schools being built by Dorchester County District 2. That school system knows they are working on their property. The school districts contractors employ them. Some of what is going on is felonies. That school district’s leaders are set up to be charged and arrested under 18 U.S. Code § 4 … “Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.”

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Lawless Employers September 28, 2015 at 7:06 pm

More and more companies are violating American’s workers protected rights. Staples had to pay out 26 million dollars for age discrimination to 60 something year old man. They tried to get other employees to lie against the guy. But it backfired.

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There are no jobs September 28, 2015 at 7:38 pm

STFU, you idiot. Obama has shed millions of jobs by being a terrible president. Blame him, you fucking dumbass.

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nchuckler September 28, 2015 at 7:43 pm

Congressional Budget Office issued a revised projection that nearly 2.5 million workers could opt out of full-time jobs over the next 10 years(Obamacare) – allowing employers to wipe 2.3 million full-time jobs off the books. As usual,YOU are correct.

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Rakkasan September 29, 2015 at 8:36 pm

Troll off, bitch

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Rocky Verdad September 28, 2015 at 9:34 pm

We’ll find out Friday. $10 says Will don’t post it until next Monday.

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nchuckler September 28, 2015 at 9:45 pm

Rocky, I am with you. 40 million on Food stamps and 80 million on Medicaid is GREAT news!

Counting high-school-age kids (roughly 10 million) and Americans 65 and up (17.6 million) we are at 68 million not working.Subtract 8 million for college age.

60 million NOT working. All your numbers and unemployment is still 25-30%.

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nchuckler September 28, 2015 at 10:00 pm

So.My buddy Rocky.Using YOUR numbers (eliminate high school,college and seniors) we got 60,000,000 divided by 237,000,000 adults (still included YOUR crew). 25% unemployment.

You and Thumper get a room and figure this out. :)

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Rocky Verdad September 29, 2015 at 8:34 am

Except once again, you assume if someone does not participate, they are by defnintion unemployed. Stay at home parents for example are nearly 6 million. There are 12 million in high school. 20 million in college undergrad. Another 5 million graduate students. That alone is close to 45 million, or nearly half of your “huge” number. Another 6 million receive supplemental SS income, and there are 14 million disabled or early retirees receiving SS. That’s another 20 million, so we’re at 65 million. Of that remaining 25 million one cannot assume they are all out of work. They include wives of childless homes who do not work (age groups 50 to 65), a sizable portion of couples 55 to 65 with assets and wealth that do not require they work, young grandparents who remain at home to help their kids, and sadly, older workers (high amount minorities) without the skills that enable them to obtain gainful employment. And that particular group has been with use for a long time. So recheck your numbers. Regardless, there is no correlation between participation and economic growth. The statistical models (the R-squared) is weak at best. But hey, if it makes you feel better, enjoy.

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tbnclt September 30, 2015 at 4:12 pm

Velocity of money is 20% what it was 10 years ago! Think about that 20%. The U6 is the closest to the real number and even it does not count all.

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