ESTABLISHMENT CANDIDATES STILL SUCKING WIND …
|| By FITSNEWS || Donald Trump remains the runaway GOP presidential frontrunner after the second “Republican” debate last week – but there’s a major reshuffling of the candidates behind him underway.
That’s according to a pair of new polls released in the aftermath of last week’s presidential debate in Simi Valley, California.
According to the latest CNN/ ORC survey (.pdf results here), Trump leads the GOP field with 24 percent of the vote. That gives him a nine-percentage point lead over former Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina (15 percent) – the new No. 2 candidate – and a ten-percentage point lead over retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson (14 percent).
Together, the three non-politicians are pulling a whopping 53 percent of the primary vote, according to that survey.
Meanwhile a new NBC News Online Survey (.pdf results here) showed Trump getting 29 percent of the vote. That’s a fifteen-percentage point lead over Carson (14 percent) and an 18-percentage point advantage over Fiorina (11 percent).
In that survey, the three non-politicians combine for 54 percent of the primary vote.
Ready for the kicker?
In neither survey is any candidate who currently holds (or formerly held) elected office drawing more than 11 percent support.
In fact if you discount U.S. Senator Marco Rubio of Florida’s 11 percent showing in the CNN/ ORC poll, every single current or former politician in the race is polling in single digits.
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In other words,the GOP is scattered,smothered and covered.
Dream election:Trump vs Bernie Sanders.
Debate between Trump and Biden would be worthy of a pay per view.
DA What ?
And once the news gets out that Sanders is a democratic socialist of which Europe is full of and not. ‘Commie’ more people will look at his message and say ‘why not?’.
Denmark, Sweden, Norway and Finland are nice places to live….and for those who want to buy me a ticket I lived there (Sweden) for two years and enjoy going back every year or two. Great schools free education and health care and yes high taxes to pay for all that.
There is a much greater correlation in living standards in Scandinavia with its European, historically Christian Protestant undiverse population than any social democratic character of its goverments. There are many countries (Latin American, Greece etc..) that have difficulty pursuing socialism while preserving democracy
The majority of Scandinavians are secular – probably makes them ‘commies’.
I think guys like you should really travel more and talk to people in different countries – you are so ignorant!
Swedes are not socialists! Danes are not communists – they just value certain things differently and don’t force religion on to everybody.
I hope you know that you can be Christian or historically (I was very specific by including “historical”) Christian and be secular in your politics. Also their are many successful democratic non Christian countries (Japan).
I carry a lot of baggage by calling myself Bible Thumper, but don’t jump to assumptions. I never called Swedes, socialist or Danes, communist. In fact I never criticized their governments. I do however suggest Scandinavia has many cultural and historical advantages that explain their success other than their government.
Then would you agree that education and free health care as well as a culture of community are part of thst heritage?
I want education and healthcare available, but they are never free. In a cummunity everyone should contribute voluntarily.
Precisely education and healthcare are paid by taxes. Community is based on more than voluntary participation – who would voluntarily pay taxes? Nobody -so there is a certain ‘soft coercion ‘ – religion ( thou shall not .,,) is ‘soft coercion’ to enable communities to exist at all. What one needs to avoid is the exploitation of the common byindicviduals ( ‘the tragedy of commons”). Paying taxes for a community is the pricefor leading a civilized life.
“In a cummunity everyone who can should contribute voluntarily.”
The difference between taxation with government mandate and voluntary action is that only one has the potential to actually solve problems. The United States is rich in its history of having to use government to solve a problem that would not, or even could not, be voluntarily fixed.
Republicans love to tell you how much the Canadians and the British hate their health care system. Take it from them, not the actual majority of people who live there and like it.
I always thought those places qould be great fun to visit but they won’t be that way for long. The same elements (found among Republicans AND Democrats in the US) who are destroying our country with Islamic multi-culturism, are doing it to those countries, Germany, and more, by bringing in hordes of Muslims and other riff-raff that will dominate, not assimilate, in their lands. It is sad to see countries with strong, happy cultures. being destroyed in this manner.
Muslims and riff raff ?
Germnay integrated the Turks into their political and economic system and they will do the same with the Syrians. Or in your language : “most of these guys are terrific and will be doing amazing things for Germany”.
You want to turn the US into South Africa under apartheid?
You will if you like it or not – and I see how you hate it- live in a multicultural Hispanic so iety with many minorities – white rule is over!
Already, German girls are being told not to wear short skirts for fear of offending the dear Muslims and “inviting” rapes by them. I understand that the Swedes are seeing increases in rapes by the new “foreigners” in their land. As I said, wherever they go, the Muzzies must dominate, rather than assimilate. I have no problem with Hispanics who belong here, either through family heritage or other legal process other than this ridiculous “anchor baby” system. As I have noted many times, Puerto Ricans are born citizens of this country. They are Americans and belong here. I don’t get how opposition to having our borders overrun with people from a third-world nation(s), who over tax our economy, health, and criminal justice, systems is somehow anti-Hispanic.
Absoluter Bloedsinn! Xenophobia is well and alive in this country. Why does BMW build cars here!
Got no problems with Germans, Spanish, French, Greeks, British, Italians, etc for the most part. Only an idiot can look at behaviors that are common to Muslim countries and areas and deny the negative difference commonly brought to the tables from those areas, coupled with the lack of cultural pluses those aforementioned nationalities usually bring to the table with them, wherever they go.
To see a pattern and be aware of it is not xenophobia.
I hear that it’s no longer safe to go I to a black church in South Caolina anymore if you don’t want to be shot by a “der white racist”….idiot!
… or a mixed church in Alabama because you might get shot by a crazy Black guy, eh?
My dear friend – I have two daughters and i am Hispanic ( from Argentia), a doctor, pay my taxes and go to my church. But my daughters have been Mainly harassed by white middle class boys including frat boys at USC. Do I judge ALL whites to be sexual predators ? NO – but I don’t take anecdotal evidence as factual – if I do that as a doctor I might misdiagnose you. Think!
While I am not taking up for the caucazoid frat boys or their behavior, your daughters were “harrassed”. Had they been in an Islamic country or a predominately Islamic area, perhaps you and your daughters would be wishing they had been harrassed, rather than being raped and/or murdered.
Do me a favor and read that sentence again – is that really what you would like to say?
Nice deflection – and great way to protect the frat boys. “Sure they tried to rape your daughters, but heck, they ain’t Muslilm”
Big difference in harassment and rape (and/or murder). Please note that I am in no way protecting or backing the frat boys, just noting it could be MUCH worse.
Carson off my short list.He should have told Chuck Todd we already have a Muslim pResident.
He’s not a Muslim. He’s a decent guy who I just have disagreements with.
I really wish our party wasn’t bogged down by cretins like you.
Wrong.We live Barack!
Barack’s not with you guys, but don’t worry, I’ll take care of you.
We love Barack.He invites us to the wH just like the cop killers Black Lives Matter!
Also, please note where I have said numerous times on here that I am not anti-Hispanic. I am unaware of any problems with Argentines flooding our country illegally, draining our financial, medical, and criminal justice systems. I gather that you and your family are here LEGALLY, so there is no problem. Welcome to the USA, Sir! I hope you and your family have an enjoyable and pleasant stay here!
If you don’t like America…LEAVE! We are getting ready to deport about 11 MILLION illegals…just jump on one of the busses….
May you find peace in this song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FdcIOGq6CE
Since Ernesto is a doctor, I would guess he is here LEGALLY, therefore deportation should be of no concern to him or his family.
My friend – we are staying here and within the political system here we will build a future for us and our family. Where I come from family and respect s very important.
You have probably never sat in a prison cell for you conviction – lucky you.
I know what a dictatorship is. You are very disrespectful and ignorant.
Shut up @sswipe. You’re deporting anyone – crap for brains. The SCOTUS will stop you and Trumpy so fast “your head will spin, I can tell you that.” Moron.
I would be willing to bet your daughters are not fat and ugly.
Trump is giving Hispanics, women and Muslims all they need to know about him. His base is a solid and angry section that will stay strong but never become a majority in this country. People like me will hold their nose and vote for Hillary or Bernie with a strong second or uncle joe and a strong second. Dream
On…last time you had the pizza king emerge and fall back into the sewer.
Sweden = imagine Wisconsin and Minnesota without tea party nuts like walker. Fund the universities, state wide health care and divide a basic income by abolishing and severely reducing stae and federal bureaucracies – I can alive with that – I’m no longer throwing by vote to a blow hard that is unelectable.
And Bernie has proven he will not take away your gun.
Are 70% of people living in New Hampshire commies? I doubt it – he is the only one that argues policies and will tell you that he will raise the taxes.
How has he proven that???? The same “way” that 0bama has? Bernie has said he favors bans on semi-automatic weapons and other measures.
There are still idiots who will tell you that 0bama does not want to take our guns as his administration continues to work behind the scenes towards just that end.
I’m guessing that by ” blow hard that is unelectable”, you are referring to Donald Trump.
Don’t bet on it unless you are prepared to lose.
“…every single current or former politician in the race is polling in single digits…except for Rubio…”
The appeal of the non-politician still remains strong with Trump, Fiorina, and Carson garnering 53% of the votes in the poll. When will the other candidates issue the perfunctory mea culpa, apology, and proclaim an allegiance to a smaller, less intrusive, smaller Federal government. Probably won’t happen.
It seems that the appeal and Favorability of professional politicians is inversely proportional to the size and power of the federal government.
Politicians and,more specifically, the Republican Party have created this scenario by making promises that they don’t keep. No one trusts a politician and we are now looking to the business world to lead our country. If a non politician wins the nomination then they will probably need a politician on the ticket as a VP to help negotiate the political system.
The democrats aren’t in much better shape. No one believes or trusts Hillary and the only other candidate that they currently have running is an admitted communist. Biden is expected to announce his intent to run as the savior of the party but there have been so many apologies for his past comments that he will be easy so discredit as the race goes on.
Sorry to burst your bubble – heis a democratic socialist. Not a communist.
But that’s too nuanced for you….not everybody that increases taxes and grows the welfare state is a communist – in Europe half of the parliaments are full with social democrats and democratic socialist – but instead of talking about his policies let’s just call him a ‘commie’ like the pope ( Rush Limbaugh).
My mistake he is a progressive and a socialist. : Democratic Socialism-a political movement advocating a gradual and peaceful transition from capitalism to socialism by democratic means.
a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
I don’t believe that these are the principles that our country was founded on or what made our country great. These are the things that are destroying America.
Well at least we agree that it is a peaceful transition that Sanders is promoting and yes ‘ owned and regulated by a ommunity’ and not an oligarchy as in Russia and more and more in the US. This economic system needs to change and provide more for the individual, become a real meritocracy again and get rid of this aberration called ‘ Citizen-United’ which equates money with free speech – the biggest political mistake in the last decade.
The Pope is a socialist. Sad.
Man are you far out there….
The Pope is a socialist and appeases tyrants and dictators like Obama:
Four dissidents opposed to Cuba’s communist regime were arrested when they tried approaching Pope Francis in Havana on Sunday, an activist group reported.
The Foundation for Human Rights in Cuba identified the dissidents as Patriotic Union of Cuba members Zaqueo Baéz, Boris Reni, Aymara Nieto Muñoz and Maria Josefa Acon Sardiña, who is also a member of the Ladies in White, a peaceful protest group founded by female relatives of Cuban political prisoners.
Photos showed some of them being dragged away by security personnel at Havana’s Revolution Square, where they reportedly tried to approach the pope as his white popemobile carried him to the Mass he was giving.
They were yelling “freedom!” and anti-government slogans, according to an Agence France-Presse photographer. Opposition groups have widely criticized the pope’s decision not to meet with them during his Cuba trip.
Posted: 09/20/2015 04:20 PM EDT
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/cuba-pope-arrests_55fef33ce4b00310edf76d24
Our democratically elected president isn’t a dictator. I’m sure you wish your Republican buddies could end the democratic process so they could have an iron grip on America’s throat though, you America-hating loser.
I LOVE the ‘democratic process’.Since Obama was elected Republicans have:
gained 11 senate seats
75 house seats
have 34 governorships
gained 1500 seats in state legislatures
And a fine job those Republican governors are doing… Brownback’s budget hole, Walker’s job losses, Christie’s port authority scandal, Scott’s ineffective welfare drug testing to line his own pockets… The list goes on…
At least Nikki took down that damned flag though.
Senate seats and governorships are gerrymandered? What a dumb ass you are!
I mentioned Gerrymandering because it’s why Republicans have such a strong hold on the House. You aren’t very bright buddy.
Ask black Democrat Jim Clyburn about gerrymandering!I will agree Republican will keep the house for 100 years.
As I said, Republicans love gerrymandering, keeps 6 red seats in South Carolina and hangs up the one blue seat on a terrible Democrat. Wouldn’t want politicians that could actually be held accountable by the voters now would we?
Hope it’s not your high water mark.
Once we get a Republican President to eliminate ALL of Obama’s illegal Executive Orders on immigration( bulild the WALL,begin deportations etc…) Obamacare and shutting down the Iran deal it will be MORNING in America again.
Queer thing here to stay.Obama’s legacy.Perverted marriage for <1% of the country.
Let me know when ya git er done Ted !
Republicans? What was that party, mom?
Oh Johnny, they used to be a party of conservatives until the old racist crazy guys took it over and ruined it, then all the sane conservatives left to form their own party.
Trump on Obama…
“I would hire him. He’s handled the tremendous mess he walked into very
well. He still has a daunting task ahead of him but he appears to be equal
to the challenge. He has kept his eye on both national and international
issues and his visits to foreign countries have shown him to be warmly
received, which is certainly a change from the last Administration. I
believe he should pay more attention to OPEC and what’s going on there,
but overall I believe he’s done a very good job.”
Trump is a Democrat, silly.
Who gives a shit? ANY Republican nominee will have to agree to build a WALL/close the border AND NO Amnesty/path to citizenship/VOTING.
Trump already won.
I agree, Trump has won. Won second place anyways.
You’re welcome, Hillary!
Trump already won whether he is nominee or not.
NO AMNESTY/NO PATH TO CITIZENSHIP/NO VOTING! LMAO!!!!
You are right, since he was in it to help me out he really has won. Thank you, Trump. Look at my polls, already rebounding! Sanders was my only real worry! As you put it, lmao!
Hillary? She can’t win.See the polls in Florida.She loses to EVERY Republican candidate by 5-10 points.Immigration carries this election.
Thank you Donald.
Don’t get hung up on one state kid, that’s what Rove did.
Rove sucks.Republican wins Florida and election is over.Deportations can begin.
Yeah, and Romney is going to win Ohio too! Any minute now…
Rove sucks however Ohio is going Republican BIG in 2016. Won’t be close in pResidential election.They hate Obama.
No enough votes to steal for Democrats in Cleveland (Cuyahoga County) in 2016.
I heard the same things said about Ohio and Romney, Mr. Rove.
No liberals on Republican ticket this year.
I thought you said Trump would win? He’s a liberal.
You truly speaking d shit if you think Obama has done a good job.
Those are your boy, Trump’s words. So, yeah he speaks a lot pf shit.
He’s done a better job than Republicans have done. Hahahahahaha!
This is a CNN Poll, relative to reactions from the Second Debate. It means very little. There is no way 10% suddenly switched to support Fiorina, and once her past quotes and supportive positions come out, she’s sunk. She’s a Militant with a VERY poor history of Business Leadership. She won’t be able to sustain, and she is NO comparison to Donald Trump.
TRUMP 2016!!!
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You liberals are verklempt with every new poll. Your hand-wringing and ultra-nervous anxiety is so evident as Hillary flatlines, and several GOP candidates look GREAT to the American people.
Face it: YOU SUCK, and the American people know it. You cannot flip your finger at us, and run the country into the ground, and get away with it forever.
Nobody really cares if dumb racists are getting flipped off.
Most people can’t wait to join in.
Np Amnesty-No voting-No Democrat Party! LMAO!!! Look at the polls in Florida!
That’s a good one. A poll taken when the only airplay right now is the GOP primary. And that was taken before the debate, the Muslim thing and the latest round of whack a spic. BTW – Dem candidate for Rubio’s seat, mops the floor with the GOP candidates. Guess that’s a +1 for my team. Throw in Kirk in IL, and a couple others, we get the Senate back in 2016. Will be nice for President Biden to have the Senate on his side, return of Dirty Harry cleaning up the mess.
Ha Ha…
Larry Sabato has it 51-47 with the TWO toss ups LEANING Republican….Nevada and Florida…if the Democrats don’t win senate this cycle they will only have 40 seats after 2018.
Dream on buddy. You’re actively alienating Catholics, Asians, Hispanics, Women, younger voters, soldiers, veterans and every other group you can come up with. Old, angry and white ain’t gonna win much.
Sorry pal.No illegals…NO democrat party for 100 years.
In your case queers,illegals,socialists,terrorists and NO Obama to get black vote out is a sure way to LOSE elections for the democrat party!
As we add two million new Hispanic voters between now and next November – aye corruption.
The Pope is a social agitator and socialist like Obama.They will get along well.
The Catholic Church used to stand for life and human dignity.Social justice for those without a voice.Now it stands for propping up dictators.and protecting pedophiles.
53-47 Republicans!
Your president advocated shooting down WHITE police officers in the streets.
Do you mean yourselves when you say dumb RACISTS? Because the evidence indicts YOU, and the Democrat Party.
And Obama has the transgender crew ready to try and dance with the socialist Pope at the wH. Sad.
Obama does not care that he is destroying the credibility of his party.
xoxoxo
That lie isnt getting you far.
Obama said to gun down white cops? Can you link me to the video? I’d like to hear that.
Brain go pwewwwwww.
Look how cute. GT getting told how to think by a liberal New Yorker like Trump and now he thinks it entitles him to speak Yiddish. You sound more Bernie than Donnie. Since you have expanded your limited vocabulary, here is one for you to Google, as it describes you perfectly: meshugenah.
So The Donald is liberal…yet you hating him with every breath.
If nothing else, you gotta love how he has you stupid fucks disavowing yourselves. And you’re too fucking stupid to even know it.
I am liberal. I support abortion and universal health care.
No what he says today and who cares?
WALL and NO AMNESTY!!! DEmocrats will never win another election without illegals!
I don’t say it today to keep the support of idiots like you. Once I’ve defeated the other losers in the party I’ll hand over the win to Hillary just as planned.
Just like Tom Ervin tried to do in the governor’s race.
See? This guy gets it. Flip saw this coming with Ervin but doesn’t have a clue now! What a loser!
Ervin didn’t run as a Republican.Did he ever poll above 1%?
Sandi, are we hooking up tonight? I got that new attachment.
LMAO! You done stalking Taylor now?
I watched Shankshaw Redemption.I can do it from prison?
I’m already picking up steam again, chump. Thanks Trump!
What’s amazing isn’t that Donald is high in the polls. It’s that real, normal candidates like Bush and Kasich and Walker and Christie and Rubio are at the bottom. Apparently the GOP is completely in wacko mode now.
With Bernie Sanders COMMUNIST leading the Democrat Party! LMAO!!!!Hillary going to prison and Biden having to hide behind his dead kid so t he can get in.
Oh.The Pope is a disgrace.
Good point. Looks like the GOP is working to field a nominee who the PEOPLE LOVE.
The Democrats are promoting a fringe-type nutjob because they believe the voters hate America as much as the DNC does.
Yeah, seems like a repeat of the 2012 Field of Dreams. Three months from when the Primaries get really going, and the experienced candidates all polling in single digits, and a Carnival barker, a failed CEO and a guy who performs experiments on aborted fetus’ are the leaders. Ha, ha, ha. And Real Clear Politics avg – you constantly are swept.
When talking to yourself at least make sense. Hillary’s drop in he polls still only gets her down to the highest any GOP contender has ever been.
Jesus called – he wanted me to let you now he won’t be inviting you to the party when you’re dead. He said try Lucifer, that you seem to be really a better fit for employment with his organization.
Thank God you have never met Jesus so your opinion matters NOT!
How do you know? Maybe he chatted with me yesterday evening at Mass.
True. Jesus probably doesn’t want someone who mocks school aged children on his team.
You sit around trolling against the Pope late on Sunday night? Wow – what a good Christian.
deflection! pew… pew!
Bernie Sanders is NOT a communist – he is a democratic socialist who -using non-violent democratic tactics is pushing for a socialist more community based market system such as existing in Denmark, Sweden, Norway and Finland.
He honeymooned in the former USSR! Check mate!
So, everyone who travelled to the former USSR is a communist? I better let my in-laws know. I always thought my father-in-law was more of a fascist. This clears things up tho.
When you have idiots like Cruz you see why Trumpeeee is leading.
Following your logic Hillary is a world beater. Hahahahahahah…
So who is the REAL idiot? Go look in the mirror, and it may give you an idea. (:
GT reminds me of that Brad Paisley song – “I”m so much cooler on line.”
I’d say you look like an idiot on line. So I hope you’re cooler in real life.
Congrats, flip! You’ve just won today’s George Costanza Lamest Comeback of the Day Award. Pretty impressive stuff there.
George Castanza – “I feel like an out of work porn star.”
The jerk store called….
Hey Smirks. Clocked in on MY dime?
Looks like another bad day eh.
Any day God Almighty give me breath to fight the hideous enemies of my country, I give thanks. I find this a Wonderful day that the Lord has made.
If you are not filled with joy with our many victories, you should learn to rejoice in your blessings.
While the media says God is dead, and our country cannot be redeemed, we know that is a lie. You may feign bravado, but we slay some part of your evil and corrupt gods each day we come to battle you.
I praise God for my discernment, love for justice and passion to war against all that is destroying us.
Hallelujah that I am strong, and more full of resolve than ever.
Hmm….this is more like a “media class” taking the political “elites” out to the woodshed and charging high ad rates while smiling all the way to the bank. Naturally, its the conversation in the woodshed that FITSNEWS should report…
Why would Trump have himself photographed with that group. It looks like the mafia.
When that WALL is being built and Nikki is running for Democrat House seat in SC, we will need that ‘mob’ behind him.
Never heard of the Clinton Mafia?
Carly will not be the nominee.
First she was one of the candidates who went to California, kissed the feet of Koch and begged for Koch money. Lets her totally out as far as I am concerned.
Second, she can run from her screw up at HP, but she can’t hide. She outsourced a ton of American Jobs, ran the company into the ground, and then took 21 million in stockholder money to go away. No personal responsibility for her.
Third, wait until this Bloomberg story about HP selling products to Iran, develops. It seems Carly, who criticized Obama for his recent deal easing sanction on Iran, turned a blind eye while an foreign entity affiliate of HP sold products to Iran in violation of sanctions.
Carly is a hypocrite. She is a failure, pretending to be a success. She outsourced thousands of US jobs, but now pretends to be pro-middle class. She sold goods to Iran in violation of sanctions, and now objects to sanctions being lifted.
Good article somewhere about Carly, quoted in Businessweek during her time at HP: “Fiorina has a silver tongue, an iron will, but the rest is fool’s gold.”
Polls of 1000 here or 1000 there …. *yawns* …. 350,000,000 people in America. Maybe I will poll 897 members of a pigmy tribe in Africa on the best way to use bow and arrow when elephant hunting.
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