NEW PARTY RISES OUT OF THE CONFEDERATE FLAG DEBATE …
|| By FITSNEWS || This website has seriously entertained the notion of secession in the past … and with good reason.
Undertaken the right way, we believe it is an increasingly viable option for the preservation of life, liberty and prosperity in a region of the country which has all the tools to succeed … yet which continues to be held back by government at all levels.
“There comes a moment in the evolution of every free society when its intellectually curious element (or what’s left of it) must take inventory of the governments representing it at all levels,” we wrote two summers ago. “For those who live in South Carolina, that’s an exceedingly grim outlook.”
And this outlook has only gotten grimmer in the intervening years …
Of course as we noted back in November of 2012, “secession has to be the beginning of a plan, it can’t be the plan itself.”
“Secession would have to be accompanied by the complete dissolution of South Carolina’s infinitely corrupt state government (and its banana republic municipalities, too),” we wrote at the time. “Second, a new form of government replacing these rotten edifices would have to be drawn up. This is especially critical given South Carolina’s status as one of the most backward, underperforming states in America – as well as the racial stigma that lingers from its prior attempt to secede.”
In other words there is a right way – and a wrong way – to approach this issue.
Down in Charleston, S.C. last week, a “new secessionist” named Tyler Bessenger strolled into the offices of The (Charleston, S.C.) City Paper to lay out his thoughts on the issue.
A 26-year-old native of Florence, S.C., Bessenger “sported a South Carolina ball cap and bore tattoos on his forearms of the Ron Paul ‘Revolution’ and ‘Coexist’ logos,” according to reporter Paul Bowers.
After laying out some pretty rational thoughts regarding the surface divisions (a.k.a. false narratives) driving the debate in our country, Bessenger proceeded to dive into the Confederate flag issue – saying the S.C. General Assembly’s vote to remove the banner from the S.C. State House is what got his movement going.
“It got people’s dander up, and every movement needs a little of that,” he told Bowers.
Dander? Oh brother …
Bessenger also said his new party – the S.C. Secessionist Party – had adopted the Confederate-era South Carolina Sovereignty flag as its banner. And if all that weren’t enough, he says he’s related to the late barbecue magnate Maurice Bessinger, a staunch segregationist.
Yeah …
We’ve said it before and we’ll say it again: The only way secession will ever be taken seriously – or undertaken successfully – is if the ideals it advances are universally accessible. And if the movement advancing those ideals is also available to all comers.
Seriously … it’s not as if the federal government (or the nation’s first black president) is doing anything to materially improve the lives of black citizens. In fact the opposite is true. Why, then, would a movement which seeks to remove this yoke turn away potential converts – on any basis?
We don’t get it …
Secession is a legitimate idea. But it will never be viewed as such until the racial stigma rightly associated with its first incarnation is replaced by a genuine populist movement impervious to surface divisions and focused exclusively on the advancement of individual freedom and free markets for all.
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Unfortunately, this region is also full of “tools” who would never be able to succeed in running a functioning independent state based on the Libertarian fantasy of “freedom and free markets for all.”
SC wouldn’t make it two months without all the federal aid it’s used to getting.
They actually have a pretty good deal going on with all the poor Democrat Party voters occupying the welfare rolls.
My statistics show SC gets $7 of federal money for every $1 they send in. For example Ohio is an even $1 and $1.
Until Democrat Party voters are cut off the perpetual welfare train things will never improve.
What about me. I vote Republican straight ticket all the time. My trailer has a confederate flag, my EBT card is well worn, and I’m missing most of my teeth so I don’t need gubermint dental.
Oh my, one of flip’s alter egos is becoming sentient! LMAO!!!
Welcome aboard! My husband wears sheet at night!
Depends: If you’re talking about the Democrats in this state, they would fail immediately.
And I bet you’re one of the ignorant motherfuckers who votes Democrat. Democrat is the assbackward, party of failure, hate and dependency.
Democrats prove you right every day. But I bet you’re too stupid to know that you are putting down yourself. The DNC does not tell you they are the party of ignorance, hate and failure. But you are (See Obama)…
This guy is the reason we need to do away with mental health facilities and bring back insane asylums.
Like that great saying (said by a member of one of the founding families of South Carolina – a Pettigrew{sp}) goes:
“South Carolina is too small to be a republic and too large to be an insane asylum”:=========Rings truer every day!!!!!!!!!!
Some of these mouth breathing ankle draggers that post on FITS need to read a very recent book called “Our Man In Charleston”.
Providing they can read past a paragraph that is………………………….
He might be from Florence, but it figures that this would have happened in Charlestown. What a racist shit hole it is there. They still “honor” the slave market, and have very segregated clubs that practice this crap. Bunch of 4th and 5th generation wealthy families directly decendents of slave owners.
and the totally non-racist locale is?
so you do not actually deny the obvious racist town of Charleston? Let me guess you are wearing pink shorts a white shirt and a yellow bowtie wit boat shoes while writing this. Its the new dress code of the KKK
you are avoiding the question. where is this nirvana?
I will answer that just as soon as you admit the truth, Charleston is a racist city. Admit it and I will gladly answer
All cities of the world are racist, therefore Charleston must be racist as it is a city of the world. Your turn.
I’m not sure I like how you got your answer. You just say the words “Yes, Charleston is racist” nothing more nothing less and I will have your answer
It is obvious that you refuse to answer a simple question. Name the cities that are totally non-racist. Your refusal indicate that you do not know of any.
I 100% know of some, but as usual all you do is avoid the actual proposed question. As I have promised you say exactly the words “Charleston is racist” no more no less and I will give you your answer (which I am indicating I have). Anything short of that or no response also proves how full of shit you are.
In order to determine if Charleston is racist, I need to know the metrics that you are using. Such as, not as racist as Boston, NYC, LA, or Detroit or more racist than Antarctica.
you are still blowing smoke. its was a very simple proposal to which you are desperately trying to avoid and not honor. Until the words “Yes, Charleston is racist” ( and you say no more and no less) we are done on this. You have too much of a habit of being nothing more than full of shit and once again you have proven that.
Since Charleston is so racist, we residents of this fine area implore you to stay in whatever paradise you have found on 2 notch road.
where is 2 notch road?
In the screen door to hell. Obviously you are not from around here.
Since you will not provide your metric, one can only assume that you don’t have one. Your so mature utterings indicate your level of discourse. Honor is a term of which you are completely unfamiliar. If being in Charleston offends you, I suggest you pack your carpet bag and depart.
see you avoid it again with your typical deflection as I assumed you would. You are just as full of shit as you are a racist fuck head.
Oh such scholarly profanity. Plus you know everything about me. You are so perceptive. In the movie “No Country for Old Men”, Carson is asked just how dangerous is Anton. His reply was, “As compared to what, the bubonic plague?” See without knowing your metrics, a measurement can not be obtained. Even you should understand that.
There is no metric needed dumbass. Ironically its just black or white, no grey and no comparison to make. Charleston itself is a racist city, and you just need to admit it, but you keep dodging it quoting movies and flat out being a piece of shit just like you are full of too.
Such a scholar who needs profanity to explain himself as he lacks the mental and verbal attitude to do otherwise. Race as explained by what? Asian vs non-Asian? What about English vs Irish? Chinese vs Japanese? Is that “racial”. For the umpteenth time, what metric do you want to apply. The fact of the matter is, as I explained earlier, there is no place on earth that is not racist in some form. So what is your point?
Ay point is as it always has bee, Charleston is a racist city, nad you are an idiot that rambles off topic. There are a few place with no racism on earth yet you will always be to closed minded to see that. you are a racist pig trying to condone it to make yourself feel better. I guess kind of like they do at the Klan rallies you attend frequently, Anyone such as yourself to hate a race just because they are different sows jealousy and inferiority to said race and you aren’t bright enough to see it
Are you drunk or just not all that familiar with the English language?
Just having problems with the keyboard but nice try to change the subject. I am gong to quote something posted above though to see how you feel about it:
If people live in Cities, and all cities of the world are racist, then people who live in cities are racist. With that said CNSYD lives in a city of the world, therefore CNSYD is a racist. Now of course only someone who agrees with your statement of all cities in the world are racist can prove this to be true, so either you do and admit it that you are yourself, or your original statement of all cities are racist is false and then Chucktown is already right without even having to name his “nirvana” as you called it. So again either you are a racist or there are non-racist cities. Which is it?”
Could that be a checkmate on your dumbass?
I see you take a cue from Folks and refer to yourself in the third person. Not only are all cities racist but all people (above the age of accountability) are racist to some degree, so therefore we both are. The point you keep avoiding is the degree of racism.
If people live in Cities, and all cities of the world are racist, then people who live in cities are racist. With that said CNSYD lives in a city of the world, therefore CNSYD is a racist. Now of course only someone who agrees with your statement of all cities in the world are racist can prove this to be true, so either you do and admit it that you are yourself, or your original statement of all cities are racist is false and then Chucktown is already right without even having to name his “nirvana” as you called it. So again either you are a racist or there are non-racist cities. Which is it?
If by ‘slave market’ you mean the tourist-oriented market that runs along Market Street from Meeting to Bay Streets, that has never been a Slave Market. Ever. That is one of many misconceptions.
There is a museum called the Slave Market Museum that was indeed a slave market, but it does not in any way ‘honor’ slavery. It merely displays the history of slavery in the area. The injustice and cruelty of slavery is fully displayed.
The Old Slave Mart was originally part of a slave market known as Ryan’s Mart, which covered a large enclosed lot between Chalmers and Queen streets. The market was established in 1856 by Charleston City Councilman Thomas Ryan, after a citywide ban on public slave auctions made private facilities necessary. Slave auctions were held at the site until approximately 1863; in 1865, the Union Army occupied Charleston and closed Ryan’s Mart. The Old Slave Mart Museum has operated on and off since 1938 Which is much after. Don’t try to change the subject by lying about it
that kind of actually verifies what he said actually but still to have anything that using the word slave museum or market in it for tourism is in fact “honoring” it and trying to make a buck off it
It completely verifies what he said. Hard to explain to someone who only knows Charleston for Hyman’s Seafood and the other bullshit he sees on his hotel travel TV channel.
Please, do it. Even though it would be less than year before SC begged to be taken back, it would be fun to watch a bunch of incompetent fools try and be a sovereign nation.
If SC had to go without federal funding for more than a week this place would be on the verge of a riot.
I wonder how many people realize that secession means all the people on Social Security are instantly destitute?
I’m sure the other 49 states would help us pack.
I’d not only help all you worthless fucking, handout-beggar, godless Liberals seeceed, I’d give you a boost, with my foot in your ass.
You are Destructive counter-productive, lazy, and hateful. You are a drain on our nation…GTFO now…We’ll even give you foreign aid, like you gave $150 Billion to Terrorist Iran, if you leave. It’d be well worth it.
time for your meds, flip.
Wow…how creative. That’s the first time I’ve ever seen that used.
Get a mind, you fucking brain-dead Democrat robot. You people are nothing but the cliches of the DNC.
I wish I was smart enough to write that. I am smart enough to know you are an American and VETERAN hating femi-nazi that worships at the alter of abortion, Smirks.
Nice description flip. You are exactly right about “mamtiger.”
They hate America so much, I’d LOVE for them to go to one of the Hell-Holes they so much admire, like Cuba, Iran or China.
That mind out the DNC has been filling them w/ myths and lies, about our country, that they hate so much.
Wow, I agree with flip and Adios. We should all have one giant orgy.
You’re right, mamatiger. flip does seem unhinged this morning.
what a brilliant observation, mamatiger. unhinged is exactly the word I’d use too.
Replying to one’s own comments is fun. I should’ve tried this along time ago. Thanks, flip!
lol….I know folks keeps ya busy in Fitsville….no problem LMAO!!!!!
Let us know when the ‘folks’ says you can post again! Oh mY!!!
It would be like taking off one of our cement shoes, the other being Mississippi.
You just hate blacks,liberal.
There’s a reason we vote Democrat, and that’s because racists like you are Republican.
No.The ONLY reason a black person would vote Democrat is for food stamps,Section 8 housing,Medicaid and Obama phones.
Blacks been riding the perpetual welfare train that Democrats enslaved them in for two generations now.
“I’m sure the other 49 states would help us pack.”
Then why was it stopped the last go round?
Nothing’s changed….the idea of peaceful secession would never be allowed by those in DC.
States?
States have become pretty meaningless since 1865.
Feds rule, comrade.
Democrat run states, instead of lowering taxes and regulations, think up new ways to squeeze more money from a shrinking population. Like California, trying to retroactively tax small business owners with interest on tax credits legally taken but now found to be unconstitutional by the State Supreme Court years later.
It won’t be long before the only people left in states like these will be illegal aliens, welfare recipients, and government workers shelling out a diminishing pie.Bitch,bitch,bitch….you liberals are NEVER happy…South Carolina is Gods Country! Get rid of the liberals and we would have a utopia of love and money..
Blue states give, red states taketh away.
Democrat run states are the makers, Republican run states are the takers.
Republicans do win all state and local elections.You are right.We TAKE seats in government.
Yes, you take quite a bit more federal funds than you give. The more states you take over the fewer blue states will be around to give you though, so your game is about up.
When we get rid of the illegals will be plenty of money for everybody.
I want all you liberals to GTFO my country.
So YES, I’m for the secession, too, OF YOU.
Fuck you. This isn’t “your” country. You are not entitled to owning the rest of us.
He, if he’s a Conservative, built this country. So YES he is ENTITLED. You liberlas are NOT. You have torn us down. And you’ve robbed him blind, and that’s (you are) the problem…
GT is a on public benefits he is a taker who sits on his ass all day and does not work. He isn’t entitled to shit.
We’ve talked it over, and we fully support you. We’ll move the Navy’s data center from Charleston to San Deigo, which doesn’t get threatened by Hurricanes, we have plenty of space for those fighter jets in other states. The Marine’s we’ll move to Kings Bay GA where we have lots of space and a larger metro area nearby. You can keep the nuclear plant, since it’s a piece of crap anyway. Oh, and you can forget any road money. Thanks in advance, the other 49 states.
what other 49? 46 of you have your own problems to worry about and I promise you aren’t in the 3, so speak for yourself
Does this mean that you’ll take back all these bastards from Ohio who seem to love it here so much?
Fortunately for those of us who live in our great state, love our great country and are not dumb racist rednecks, we have already settled the issue of whether a state can secede from the Union of its own accord, and the answer is an unequivocal no. The only way for a state to leave the union is to dissolve the contract that binds us together as states. That means a constitutional amendment. Through the amendment process all states, a single state, or any portion of a state can be either kicked out of the union or allowed to leave the union. Otherwise a state cannot leave the union, because the federal government is charged with protecting the constitutional rights of its citizens, and no state can take those rights away. If a state can secede our rights guaranteed under the US Constitution are meaningless. We live at the whim of a dumb local, and in SC racist redneck, mob.
I for one have exactly zero interest in living under any form of Government the backwards leaders of this state could envision. I am an American first and a South Carolinian Second; and I firmly trust the US Federal Government to defend my rights more than the leaders of my state; and more than the electorate of my state.
So if you want to go, leave me out of it. I want to stay; but if after you leave and the US Government will allow it I would welcome all of the cheap immigrant labor such a move would create; and I will not pay you in your worthless state currency. You will get greenbacks; something you are likely to need to buy food after the food you were able to loot and hoard just before the secession runs out.
“Fortunately for those of us who live in our great state, love our great country and are boot-licking cowards, we have already settled the issue of whether a state can secede from the Union of its own accord, and the answer is an unequivocal no.”
There you go champ, all fixed.
Ha, Secessionist are by definition cowards. They are the people who are afraid to leave the country by themselves. They want to get a mob together and force other people to go with them. If you don’t like your country you should leave. Just don’t try to take me with you or threaten to take away my property if I don’t want to go with you. Boot licking cowards are the ones who won’t stand up to the local mob.
“They are the people who are afraid to leave the country by themselves. ”
No, they are people that are tired of living under a corrupt system.
It is people like you that are cowards, coward.
“Just don’t try to take me with you or threaten to take away my property if I don’t want to go with you.”
No one’s threatening to take your property champ, that’s made up in your head. A made up “outrage” against those that don’t boot lick the corrupt government. You can’t find any moral ground, so you make it up.
If you were really committed to the protection of taxation and property owned by rulers you would have stood up for King George.
What a load of crap!! There are plenty of places in the world and in this country for you to go. Sell your property and go there. No one is forcing you to stay or to go. The choice is all yours. That is FREEDOM!!. You obviously benefit from living here or you would not want to stay.
But people like you want to take freedom. You want to force people like me to leave my home, my land, and my business my state, just to retain my rights as US citizen. My right to live in a modern western democracy. I don’t boot lick for anyone, especially a local redneck mob. I am happy with my country and I sure as hell don’t want to live under some made up Government, by people who can barely read and know almost zero about history and the rest of the world.
Taxes. What bull shit. Most the people who would be dumb enough give up their US citizenship to live in your new banana republic don’t make enough to pay taxes; and would be the first to bitch when there were no roads, no airports, no fire department, no police protection; no courts who will listen to you if you don’t have a bribe. I lived in a third world country for a couple of years. I know what its like and left to its own devices, I know what SC would become in no time at all.
We do not live under a corrupt system. I’ve seen corrupt systems. You want to create a corrupt system that works for your benefit, that operates the way you want it to operate; that benefits the people you want to benefit. You are nothing like the people who fought for this nation to exist. They were fighting for a just cause. Something all could benefit from. You just want your way and want to force everyone else in this state to live your way. Well there are plenty of us who don’t want to live your way. We like knowing we can count on our rights, We like knowing we can go anywhere in the United States or anywhere in the world unhindered. We like being able to hop on a plane and fly to New York, or Florida or California and know we can count on things to work the same way. That we can be safe and have our rights and persons and property respected. The last thing we want is to be locked in a country the size of SC with bunch of confederate flag wavers, who could easily be convinced to round up anyone who did not think like them and imprison them or worse.
Well posted.
Like I posted a few minutes ago. Read “Our Man In Charleston’ to see just how fucked up MANY of the citizens of the Great State of South Carolina were during the 1850’s – 1860’s.
All I have to say about South Carolina during that period is it’s too damn bad the abolitionists didn’t have napalm and A-1 Skyraiders…………
Or maybe even a few B-29’s with incendiary bombs and harbor mines with General Curtiss LeMay leading the formation………………
They had Sherman and Lincoln, who decimated and punished the south enough…enough to the point that people 150 years later are still wondering “how the south got so backwards”.
From you post, I gather some still want punishment, not realizing that the punishment is only making the problem worse, not better.
Way to go, smart guy.
He is a native of the traitor state. WVA. You know how advanced they are. They have slavery there today. They called it coal miners.
West By God Virginia ain’t all coal mines but I’m grateful that you showed your ignorance. At least we have natural resources – what has South Carolina got – the economic version of a whore house – that’s what
Just because my home state was the last one to succeed should not make you jealous.
We saw how fucked up the Confederacy was and knew it was a losing proposition plus we truly had the capacity to think for ourselves not like the obedient serfs who did not have the slightest idea of how to leave the plantation or the bosses who gave them a pittance of a job.
From what I’ve seen things in the south really haven’t changed much as far as mindset goes………..
At the time of the Civil War, 95% of the citizenry of SC did not own slaves. Even worse the vast majority of the citizenry were not allowed to vote. SC did not have a referendum on whether to leave the union. We were taken out of the union by a cabal of slave owning Plutocrats who ran the government because they owned land.
The 95% that did not own slaves had absolutely nothing to gain from that war. Their lifestyle would not have changed one iota whether we were part of the US or not. Yet they were the ones who were killed, starved and forced into decades of poverty.
They were duped by the mega-wealthy elite of their day into supporting a cause from which they could not benefit. Duped into betraying their country and becoming cannon fodder, under the guise of some type of second revolution, when in fact all they were doing was defending the lifestyle and wealth of people who would do nothing for them. Much like the billionaires of today duping the wingnuts into believing they will benefit from making the billionaires richer. So if you want to blame anyone stop blaming the wrong people. Blame the people who started the war in the first place.
That’s why it was called a “rich man’s war and a poor man’s fight” which was often uttered in the glorious region called the South by it’s soldiers doing the fighting and more sadly the dying…..
The South ain’t backwards. It’s had the smarts to prostitute itself from the 1890’s through the 1960’s for every mill and factory that could be built. And it still continues to this very day but at a slower pace but with even more whoring due to the global economy (of which I support since I am a capitalist)
It wasn’t Lincoln but his cabinet who tried to have vengeance after Booth killed Lincoln. The die-hard dicks in Charleston had already been defeated. Just read the damn book….It’s a best-seller BTW
To get rid of weeds you’ve got to poison the entire area……….
I’m talking about the 1830’s to 1862……..for napalm and fire bombs from the sky.
if I could have I’d have done it in a microsecond and had a beer afterwards!!!!!!
Those dicks from back then reaped what they sowed.
We won’t be sending Sherman’s Army to reverse your decision this time.
They won’t ask to keep Fort Sumter either. They will just build a fence and bleachers by the border and sell popcorn and binoculars.
Libertarians despise government too much to ever form one that can actually govern.
They want to use government to pass dangerous drugs laws. Libertarians LOVE government when it furthers their agenda of electing Democrats.
Plus, most of you are too fucking stupid.
Ad hominen attack is the favored refuge of intellectually barren cowards.
Yeah, that “Exodus 200” crowd that attempted to take over Anderson, SC (not to mention the Confederate expats who emigrated to Brazil after the Civil War) established GREAT CIVILIZATIONS didn’t they?????
NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Typo correction: “EXODUS 2000”
Sorry for the typo……….
“This website has seriously entertained the notion of secession in the past …”
In English: “This website consistently flirts with, no, embraces fringey silliness, which keeps anyone directly associated with it from being taken seriously by grown ups.”
WTF. “Secession is a legitimate idea.”???????