National Politics - 2016

Jeb Bush: Bringing Torture Back

GOP CANDIDATE REFUSES TO RULE OUT “ENHANCED INTERROGATION TECHNIQUES” || By FITSNEWS || Former Florida governor Jeb Bush left the door open for the United States government to resume its clandestine torture program – arguing “we’re in a different environment” now than when his brother, former president George W. Bush,…

GOP CANDIDATE REFUSES TO RULE OUT “ENHANCED INTERROGATION TECHNIQUES”

|| By FITSNEWS || Former Florida governor Jeb Bush left the door open for the United States government to resume its clandestine torture program – arguing “we’re in a different environment” now than when his brother, former president George W. Bush, supposedly put the kibosh on some of the program’s more controversial “enhanced interrogation techniques.”

We sure are in a different environment … one of our own making.

Asked in early-voting Iowa whether he would keep in place an executive order from Barack Obama banning the use of torture, Bush demurred.

“I don’t want to make a definitive, blanket kind of statement,” he said. “When you are president your words matter.”

Um, that’s correct.  They also matter when you’re running for president.

Last December, a report revealed America’s “enhanced interrogation techniques” were far more brutal – and far less effective – than originally suspected.  The report also concluded that the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) – which oversaw the $300 million program – “provided incomplete and inaccurate information to the White House regarding the operation and effectiveness of the detention and interrogation program.”

For example the report revealed that intelligence leading to the May 2011 killing of al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden was obtained from “a CIA detainee who had not yet been subjected” to torture techniques.  Additionally, detainees who were subjected to these techniques “withheld and fabricated information” about the al-Qaeda courier who ultimately exposed bin Laden’s compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan.

Our view?

America’s torture program – like its drone attack program and its ongoing “War on Terror” – has not made our country safer.  If anything, it has incited anti-Americanism around the globe (and rightfully so).

Bush – and any credible candidate for the White House – should oppose the program for those simple reasons.

We’ve long maintained America has an obligation to defend itself from credible threats (and to do so using overwhelming force).  And we’ve never seen the virtue of proportional responses when dealing with those who seek to kill American citizens.  Accordingly we welcome intervention abroad – when it’s justified.

But we’ve also long maintained that torture is “beneath a great nation,” and its use is “further evidence of how far America has fallen from the ideals upon which it was founded.”

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92 comments

urbantrout August 14, 2015 at 11:18 am

If you’re an American GI with the ultimate misfortune of being captured alive by the Mohammadean goatfuckers, you’re going to be tortured, no doubt, no question…..so I don’t really give a shit what we do to them in return.

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Vicious Cycle August 14, 2015 at 11:21 am

Why not? They know they will be tortured and locked away forever without trial if the USA captures them.

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Two Wrongs Make A Right! August 14, 2015 at 11:36 am

But if we don’t retaliate, how is the circle of violence going to keep turning?

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urbantrout August 14, 2015 at 7:52 pm

You’re right…when faced with aggressive violence, it’s always best to surrender and hope they won’t kill you.

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flip August 14, 2015 at 11:43 am

Give em to Planned Parenthood so they can chop em up and sell the body parts.

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How's your hero now? August 14, 2015 at 11:46 am

Ask Ben Carson about working with ‘baby parts’. He knows all about it.

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flip August 14, 2015 at 11:47 am

You just don’t like a black man that doesn’t hate America.

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Doesn't Hate America August 14, 2015 at 11:48 am

You insinuating that our twice elected president hates America shows your hatred and contempt for America. Shame on you, troll.

flip August 14, 2015 at 11:52 am

Damn, you outed me again! I do hate America. I hate it so much! I can’t STAND that a black man is in office! Why can’t it be one of those good negro boys like Scott? He knows his place! LMAO!!!

flip August 14, 2015 at 11:52 am

Obama does hate America and has tried to destroy it.Look at his policies,read his book, watch him speak and look who he associates with.His wife even says he smells of body odor and she and kids have to kick him out of bed cause he smells so bad.

Only decent thing about Obama is that he destroyed the Democrat Party from the race for dog catcher to national political seats.

Great Destroyer August 14, 2015 at 11:58 am

He’s destroyed the ‘conservative’ movement without lifting a finger. You fools did all the work and the country is already better for it. Thanks suckers!

flip August 14, 2015 at 12:15 pm

Oh. Since 2008 ‘conservatives’ are + 11 in the senate, +75 in the house, own 34 governorships and gained over 1500 seats in state legislatures…

Thanks Obama.

Rocky Verdad August 14, 2015 at 12:40 pm

Well when you start from rock bottom…….

Stop Hating Our Freedoms August 14, 2015 at 12:29 pm

Hey chucklefucker, a majority of voters voted for him in a free election, so your hating on him is you hating on America.

mamatiger92 August 14, 2015 at 11:54 am

deflection

Ben the baby part butcher. August 14, 2015 at 11:56 am

I think Obama is fine, so you’re wrong there.

flip August 14, 2015 at 12:13 pm

So does ISIS and the Muslim Brotherhood.

RogueElephant August 14, 2015 at 12:26 pm

The US adheres to the Geneva convention while everyone else in the world slices and dices till they get what they want. There should be no “rules of war” There are no rules when it comes to killing terrorists.

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21stconfed August 14, 2015 at 12:34 pm

who says what a terrorist is? The government? the current ruling party? Pretty sure the democratic party would not mind calling Oath Keepers terrorist. Oh, you mean citizens excluding. Well actually the constitution does not mention citizens, it states “people” when referencing rights of individuals. If we believe an individual right is good for our own people and we want to spread democracy( a horrible idea the way we are going about it, btw) then it should be good for everyone

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21stconfed August 14, 2015 at 12:26 pm

American GI should not be there to begin with. Lets bring some of the chinese army here and see how you feel about it.

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urbantrout August 14, 2015 at 4:07 pm

I don’t recall us ramming any airliners into Chinese buildings.

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Soft Sigh from Hell August 15, 2015 at 11:46 am

We have bombers and rockets for that. Didn’t we destroy their embassy in Belgrade?

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Soft Sigh from Hell August 14, 2015 at 5:04 pm

Only scum and morons approve of torture.

It is the one thing McCain was dead right about.

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Conservative "values" August 14, 2015 at 5:15 pm

More Conservative “values”

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urbantrout August 14, 2015 at 7:42 pm

Yeah, name calling is more effective than any substantive argument in rebuttal. The simple fact is that in war, if you are not willing to be as ruthless as your enemy, you will lose. Period. Hence, the carpet bombing of German cities and the nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. But to descend to your level of discourse, I would’t expect some effeminate pajama boy with undescended testicles to have ever been in the military or have the slightest inkling of warfare.

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Sic Semper Tyrannis August 14, 2015 at 7:46 pm

You are correct, but, just shoot the bastards.

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Soft Sigh from Hell August 15, 2015 at 11:43 am

“name calling is more effective than any substantive argument”

“goatfuckers”

OK, you’re possibly more the moron category. And apparently nancy boy.

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urbantrout August 15, 2015 at 2:32 pm

That isn’t an insult, it’s a description….they do fuck goats.

Crooner August 14, 2015 at 11:28 am

Which Republican candidate has a plan to do anything other than return to the GWB administration’s policies?

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Back of the Short Bus August 14, 2015 at 11:34 am

All these clowns say pretty much the same thing, they just use different words. Ultimately there is very little difference, they would all trash this country just like W.

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Sic Semper Tyrannis August 14, 2015 at 5:55 pm

You are correct.

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flip August 14, 2015 at 11:40 am

General Raymond Odierno essentially called Obama today.Policies are one thing-purposely trying to destroy our military and give aid and comfort to our enemies is another.

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U R Ignorance personified August 14, 2015 at 11:43 am

I’d love to go back to TRUE 4.5% unemployment, sub-$2-gallon gas sustained for most of 8 years, pride in America, lower taxes, reasonable environmental policy, rising salaries and opportunity.

You are a TRUE FUCKING uneducated idiot. You believe the lies and Bullshit the media feeds its dolts, to keep you in slavery to feed their greed.

If you win, the country loses. You are miserable, ignorant Fuck, who damages us, severely. Fuck you, you Dumbass. GTFO my country.

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NitWits August 14, 2015 at 11:45 am

I can see why Trump appeals to you so much. He speaks down to your level. Third grade.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/08/donald-trump-talks-like-a-third-grader-121340.html#.Vc4MLIpOLv4

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U R Clueless, obvioulsy August 14, 2015 at 11:47 am

As long as you counter content with nothing but your stupidity, it shows how fucking empty-headed you are.

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NitWits August 14, 2015 at 11:49 am

Nothing. Trump speaks at a third grade level. It’s scientific fact. Oh yeah, facts hate fake conservatives. No wonder you avoid them like the plague.

Third Grade Level August 14, 2015 at 11:50 am

Sounds like he talks three grade levels too high for GrandTango.

GT to a tee August 14, 2015 at 11:55 am

He does. Trump’s not totally dumb. He knows his audience is uneducated, angry and poor.

Diogenes August 14, 2015 at 11:56 am

You’re right about the first paragraph, and add “no stupid wars”, but
1993-2001 and Bill Clinton are now history unfortunately.

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Crooner August 14, 2015 at 11:56 am

You mean the unsustainable smoke and mirrors that came crashing down in September 2008 and fucked the middle class?

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Sic Semper Tyrannis August 14, 2015 at 5:51 pm

None that I know of. Maybe trump?

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WGAF August 14, 2015 at 11:38 am

Jeb is about as relevant as FITSNews.
You’re wildly exciting to liberals, but who else really gives a Fuck about you. other than as a whipping boy in the demonstration of leftwing ignorance?

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flip August 14, 2015 at 11:42 am

Jeb is finished.Media trying to keep him propped up in primaries.Kasich is liberal as well and why the MSM is keeping his name in the mix. Neither has a chance.

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Emily P August 14, 2015 at 11:44 am

Still mad about your total failure of a blog, GT?

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Country is in a mess August 14, 2015 at 11:45 am

I think GT is still mad about the failure of the anti-American you put in the White House.

I’m told GT is doing well. It’s why he does not come on FITS. Plus I think they got tired of being upstaged, and banned him.

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shifty henry August 14, 2015 at 11:59 am

“This affair between GrandTango and GrandTango will linger as one of the saddest love stories in all belles-lettres.”
(Tennessee Williams)

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Elmer F August 14, 2015 at 11:46 am

Still mad about being outed as a communist, Boz?

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Emily P August 14, 2015 at 11:48 am

Who’s Boz? Another of your many shitty profiles?

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Tin foil hat August 14, 2015 at 11:49 am

You sound like a paranoid leftist, idiot.

Emily P August 14, 2015 at 11:51 am

You still sound like Alex Jones if he was having stroke while fellating Trump. Same ol’ GrandTango.

TinfoilTango August 14, 2015 at 11:53 am

I still laugh at his blog. It has almost been a year since he gave up on it. Sad, sad, sad…

UR True Obsession August 14, 2015 at 11:58 am

And you are claiming Flip is obsessed with Boz. A trip to the mirror may be a good idea for you.

Mirror Mirror On The Wall August 14, 2015 at 12:00 pm

Who is the dumbest of them all?

Never mind that, I think I know: GrandTango! GrandTango! GrandTango!

flip August 14, 2015 at 12:06 pm

Since you brought up Boz he was actually BANNED from the Sun News Opinion Blog apparently for the behavior you are accusing others of. I actually left that blog because of Boz and they eventually shut it down.I would allow him to drive me off of Fits:

I am William H. Martin, a long-time SNOB commenter, now banned. Not interested in discussing banning and such here, or controversies involving personalities. Discussion of political stories that appear in The Sun New, from local to international, seem to me to be a more reasonable and desirable aim for this forum.

http://forums.delphiforums.com/snob/messages

No hard feelings toward Boz.He is just a clown.There are many other clowns on here as well-including YOU!!!

flip August 14, 2015 at 12:07 pm

‘not’ allow…

flip August 14, 2015 at 12:11 pm

That was not meant to be directed toward u…. to Emily P and co…….

Exhibit A Your Honor August 14, 2015 at 12:31 pm

See? This is what I’m talking about. I don’t even see Boz in this thread but you are pasting links to his shit. You have serious issues that only a qualified professional and psych meds are capable of fixing. Get some help before you go shoot up a theater or something you whacko.

shifty henry August 14, 2015 at 12:04 pm

Which, incidentally, does remind me of this incident and the conversation went like this—
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GrandTango visited his psychiatrist who greeted him with a pleasant smile. “You know, Mr. Tango, in this profession one rarely uses the word ‘cure’ but after five years of therapy it is my pleasure to pronounce you one hundred percent cured!” he announced proudly.

“What’s this? Why such an
unhappy face?” asked the doctor. “This is a success for me and a triumph for you – I thought you’d be thrilled.”

“Oh, it’s fine for you,” was his snappy reply, “but look at it from my point of
view. For four years I have been “THE GRANDTANGO”. Now – I’m a NOBODY!”

Stalkeresque August 14, 2015 at 11:50 am

Boz is just some commenter here that Flip has some kind of obsessive infatuation for. It’s really creepy. Boz says “no” but Flip doesn’t know his boundaries.

AssBackward Liberals August 14, 2015 at 11:53 am

That shows your ignorance. Not only does Boz post his photo with his profile, there is a confirmed (by him) Youtube video of Boz that has been linked here.

Like Global Warming, you deny reality, but fear imaginary bullshit threats that the DNC makes up to control its idiots.

Gross, Stop Obsessing! August 14, 2015 at 11:55 am

He posts his photo, everyone has seen it yes. No one here except you obsesses over it.

You post more of his YouTube shit than even he does. Doesn’t that concern you?

Seriously, I don’t give a damn about Boz. He’s just one dude here out of many. Your singling out of him every five seconds is something I think you should talk to a therapist about. He isn’t that big of a deal, but you can’t stop making him a big deal. What the fuck man.

An admitted liberal liar August 14, 2015 at 11:57 am

So you were lying about your Boz claims. Thanks for admitting it.

GrandTango's Gay Boz Fantasy August 14, 2015 at 11:59 am

I’m just sick of hearing about him but I swear you bring him up more often than he even posts here. That’s not an exaggeration either, you guys are O B S E S S E D with the guy.

Have you talked to that therapist yet?

Emily P August 14, 2015 at 11:53 am

Flip and GT are the same person. Don’t know who he thinks he’s fooling?

Fooling With Themselves August 14, 2015 at 11:56 am

If he wants to have weird kinky gay sex with his headmates that’s between him, God, and the psychiatrist he sees twice a week.

GT on assistance August 14, 2015 at 11:59 am

He can’t afford a shrink. Please.

Medicaid August 14, 2015 at 12:01 pm

That’s why John Q. Taxpayer affords it for him.

Don't insult Communists August 14, 2015 at 11:48 am

That’s an insult to Communists (:

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shifty henry August 14, 2015 at 12:09 pm

Has anyone wondered (as I have wondered) what the Grand Turnip and Mama talk about after dinner while they slug down cheap booze and crack open roasted peanuts with their teeth?

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Rocky Verdad August 14, 2015 at 12:44 pm

Momma Tango – Gerald, why don’t you go out for a while. I have a friend coming over tonight.
Grand Tango – Mom!!! That’s the third time this week? Why doesn’t he just stay here?
Momma Tango – Well dear, it’s not always the same one.
Grand Tango – #)$(*)# – I’m going downstairs and getting on FITS.

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shifty henry August 14, 2015 at 1:46 pm

pretty good! — but “Gerald”?

Rocky Verdad August 14, 2015 at 2:11 pm

TL sounded lame, and he always goes with GT or Grand Tango, so Gerald came to mind.

CorruptionInColumbia August 14, 2015 at 7:37 pm

Ah! Now I see.

CorruptionInColumbia August 14, 2015 at 2:12 pm

I know. I thought it was “Terrance” or something like that.

Rocky Verdad August 14, 2015 at 2:12 pm

I’d go with Tick, or something like that.

shifty henry August 14, 2015 at 2:52 pm

OK, but you have opened the door to a naming game for the GT…. I’ll think about some ones (heh) (heh)…

erneba August 14, 2015 at 11:50 am

Jeb Bush: Bringing Torture Back?
No, we don’t need anymore, Obama has taken us all to the rack.

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You guys are weak August 14, 2015 at 11:52 am

Just because you can’t openly be a bigot without looking like an ass anymore doesn’t equal torture. Just for ‘conservatives’.

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Pity Me! August 14, 2015 at 11:57 am

It sure is funny to watch them writhe in fake agony over perceived injustices that don’t matter. Gays can get married now, the guberment ruined my marriage! No, you’re just a small minded fool prattling away.

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Keep it coming August 14, 2015 at 12:02 pm

They are so fucking weak and whiny it’s unbelievable. It’s fun to witness, though. Keep crying about how America has been destroyed. It goes well with how much better my family is doing from 8 years ago.

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Handouts to beggars are up August 14, 2015 at 12:45 pm

Just because you got an Obama-phone and 30 extra minutes, $100 more in food stamps and $20 more in your welfare check, is not a sign of a healthy America.

No matter what FITSNews, the media and the Dumbasses at the DNC feed its idiots, like you.

Rocky Verdad August 14, 2015 at 12:45 pm

Jealous?

Keep it coming August 14, 2015 at 1:00 pm

lol. I’m typing this from my iPhone 6 plus. Have you ever even seen one of these? I off today, because I don’t have to work as much as I did 8 years ago. If you can’t get it together in today’s economy, that your lazy ass’s fault. Why are you unemployed? Being an ass in various comments sections around the web doesn’t pay the bills. How much of my tax dollars go to supporting you?

Keep it coming August 14, 2015 at 1:46 pm

Welp. That shut your broke ass up.
LOL!!!!

Anti-American since late 2008 August 14, 2015 at 11:55 am

GREAT Point. American Families have been living in Misery since late 2008 under an Obama Gov’t that hates us, but makes life comfortable for ISIS and Iranian Jihadists Killers.

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Facts are Mean :-( August 14, 2015 at 12:03 pm

Wrong again. Every economic indicator says otherwise. Facts just won’t give you a break, huh GT/Flip/whatever dumb name you’re using today?

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Lies have been exposed August 14, 2015 at 12:42 pm

Don’t you mean Economic Myths?

You can lie, and get away with it for a while, but the people eventually feel reality of this miserable economy in their lives.

And that is what is kicking your asses, right now. People know you are a fucking corrupt liar.

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Rocky Verdad August 14, 2015 at 12:45 pm

Yeah, new car sales at all time hights, increasing real estate values – crappy times tonight boys.

CorruptionInColumbia August 14, 2015 at 12:16 pm

I understand Jebby’s reluctance to blanket-condemn torture. If we are stuck with another damn Bush for four (or eight) years, it will be torture.

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Hate to tell you August 14, 2015 at 12:39 pm

You are either a libertarian or a liberal, hard to tell. Jeb is your guy, but I think you are just too stupid to know it.

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CorruptionInColumbia August 14, 2015 at 2:09 pm

Yeah, just what we need, anothe damn Bush. The first one fucked things up so bad that we were stuck with eight years of the Clintons. The second one fucked things up so bad we got eight years of Obama.

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Sic Semper Tyrannis August 14, 2015 at 5:40 pm

Good comment, I’m glad you see it that way. It is what it is.

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