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Victorious Secret August 6, 2015 at 3:14 pm

I’ll bet a buffalo nickel that the camera spends more time on Megyn Kelly than on Brett Baier and Chris Wallace.

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Rocky Verdad August 6, 2015 at 3:28 pm

But a slightly tilted down angle. Megyn has nice Foxes.

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Sic Semper Tyrannis August 6, 2015 at 4:07 pm

Bet least amount is Trump’s hair.

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Roger Ailes' Sweating Face August 6, 2015 at 5:58 pm

Nothing the Chief Fascism Officer enjoys more than a little hot aryan girl.

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erneba August 6, 2015 at 7:03 pm

Me too, Megyn Kelly, she gots everythang Uncle John needs.
Screw what they say, just show Megyn.

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Mom August 6, 2015 at 9:47 pm

She needs to lose the false eyelashes

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Rocky Verdad August 7, 2015 at 8:08 am

If one falls down her shirt I’ll go get it – yahooo!!!!

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Too Easy August 6, 2015 at 3:49 pm

Who will win the debate? Comedy writers on late night talk shows.

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Will Folks aka Sic August 6, 2015 at 4:07 pm

Ha! Indeed ;)

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Not funny, but sickening August 6, 2015 at 4:30 pm

Sadly the Democrats have made a joke of our nation.

If you can laugh, you must be an America-hating piece of shit, after what you’ve done to us.

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Too Easy August 6, 2015 at 4:51 pm

No, it’s the republicans who are the butt of all the election jokes. I’m laughing because life is certainly better now than under GWB. Sorry you lack the wherewithal to pull up those boot straps and make something better of yourself. Enjoy the shitshow! ;-)

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Gas Prices August 6, 2015 at 5:49 pm

Gas is still hovering around $2 a gallon, much lower than under Bush! Thanks Obama!

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Speak D Truth August 6, 2015 at 6:14 pm

Remember the $4 a gallon that were are still trying to recover from? The National Average for gas was $1.83 the day before Obama took office. The current National Average is $2.68. http://www.eia.gov/petroleum/gasdiesel/ Liberals don’t even want to start to talk about the price of groceries, especially beef and eggs.

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$4 a gallon gas August 6, 2015 at 6:18 pm

Yeah, that was under Bush!

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Speak D Truth August 6, 2015 at 6:20 pm

Nope under Obama.

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Try Again August 6, 2015 at 6:22 pm

Bush had them jacked up to $4 a gallon right before the bottom fell out, facts are stubborn things aren’t they?

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Speak D Truth August 6, 2015 at 6:26 pm
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Speak D Lies August 6, 2015 at 6:43 pm

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/gas-prices-were-421-a-gallon-under-bush–so-why-is-obama-to-blame-for-gas-prices-today/question-2508615/

$4.21 under Bush. Even if you take the $4.23 in that article, adjusting $4.21 for inflation makes it more expensive.

WRONG. AGAIN.

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Speak D Truth August 6, 2015 at 6:46 pm

Inflation that occurred under Obama. Still his economy is horrible. This site has been posting article about low consumer confidence. Obama policies have increased fuel prices, grocery prices, and overall costs of living while destroying what little was left of consumer confidence.

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Sic Semper Tyrannis August 6, 2015 at 6:48 pm

TUPID

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What A Maroon! August 6, 2015 at 6:50 pm

LULZ! Inflation occurs under pretty much every president! You are a total dolt!

And you are trying to blame beef and eggs on inflation when other causes are inflating those prices!

Keep talking, you are cracking me up!

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Speak D Truth August 6, 2015 at 6:53 pm

No I’m blaming Obama’s economic policies.

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Blame Game August 6, 2015 at 6:56 pm

That $4.21 happened a while before Obama came along. That amount of time is more than enough to add 3 cents and put it over that figure on the link you provided.

Are you saying Obama’s policies caused inflation before he even took office?

You can’t stop being dishonest can you?

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Speak D Truth August 6, 2015 at 7:09 pm

http://www.statista.com/statistics/204740/retail-price-of-gasoline-in-the-united-states-since-1990/ The graph shows which President has had the highest gas prices. There is a steady rise under Bush before a drop at the end of his Presidency. They continued to trend down at the start of Obama’s policies and as his policies went in to affect gas prices surged. They are just now starting to fall. Due to transportation of goods fuel prices do have some effect on the cost of other consumer goods. It also affects travel and tourism which effect the economy also.

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Liar Liar August 6, 2015 at 7:32 pm

“They continued to trend down at the start of Obama’s policies”

Damn, lies again?

What policy made gas prices go up?

What specific policy?

You still have not admitted that gas prices dropped due to a recession and were destined to go back up as we recovered.

Can you even do that much?

Your drool bucket is running over.

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RogueElephant August 6, 2015 at 8:31 pm

The only reason for the lowering of fuel prices is the discovery and pumping of oil and gas from private sources in the upper mid west and Canada. The prices would be even lower if Obummer had signed off on Keystone and opened up fed. lands for oil exploration. Higher oil prices help out his friends in the mid east so he is stopping our oil every way he can.

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RogueElephant August 6, 2015 at 8:25 pm

Inflation under Obummer has been horrible. The world price of commodities hasn’t gone up (true inflation) but with all the quantative easings the value of the dollar has gone down. Thus all the commodities like food , fuel and metals have gone way up. They are now only coming down due to over production due to the higher prices. An old farming adage : High prices fix high prices.

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Retard Alert August 6, 2015 at 6:19 pm

Beef and egg prices are affected by more than just inflation you fucking idiot.

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Speak D Truth August 6, 2015 at 6:27 pm

Obama’s economy you pathetic, baby killing, sperm eating, fucking liberal moron. See I can stoop to your level if I have to but I prefer not to.

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RogueElephant August 6, 2015 at 8:20 pm

Agreed. I keep wanting to call these asshole libturds what they really are but I do have a certain level of decorum. Keep up the good work, you are one of the few on here with a functioning brain.

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Sic Semper Tyrannis August 6, 2015 at 6:27 pm

U R TUPID!!!

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Speak D Truth August 6, 2015 at 6:49 pm

When was the last time gas was under $2 a gallon?

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Sic Semper Tyrannis August 6, 2015 at 6:51 pm

U tell me

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Speak D Truth August 6, 2015 at 6:52 pm

The day before Obama took office or shortly thereafter when his policies drove fuel prices through the roof.

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Barely Functional R-tard August 6, 2015 at 6:54 pm

Gas prices dropped down because the economy took a sucker punch. You can’t even admit that much? Wow, what a loser.

Does someone need to dump your drool bucket?

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Rocky Verdad August 6, 2015 at 6:57 pm

AAA’s Daily Fuel Gauge Report for January 14, 2015 – Gasoline costs $1.94 per gallon in South Carolina. So who’s Speakin’ D Truth now!!!!

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Speak D Truth August 6, 2015 at 7:20 pm

National Average!

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Rocky Verdad August 7, 2015 at 8:03 am

National average then was $2.03.

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Speak D Truth August 6, 2015 at 7:11 pm

Can you post under one name only instead of trolling around with different unregistered names to make it look like you have more support than you really do.

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Speak D Lies August 6, 2015 at 6:52 pm

Last time gas was under $2 a gallon we were in a recession. Republicans will surely put us in another one to get those prices back.

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Tom August 6, 2015 at 7:12 pm

Sorry, currently $1.99 per gallon, down the street from me at the Kangaroo.

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Speak D Truth August 6, 2015 at 7:19 pm

That id not the current national average.

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Whine More August 6, 2015 at 7:20 pm

The guy who lies about why beef and eggs cost more now suddenly is a stickler for facts? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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Tom August 6, 2015 at 7:25 pm

What city are you in?

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Speak D Truth August 6, 2015 at 7:28 pm

What does that have to do with the current and past national averages of fuel in the nation?

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Can't Answer? August 6, 2015 at 7:30 pm

I smell fear. Keep retreating, Speak D Lies!

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Speak D Truth August 6, 2015 at 7:34 pm

Troll

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You're Right Tom August 6, 2015 at 7:19 pm

You are correct, but we all know he is trying to say gas was under $2 a gallon when Obama was sworn in. That was caused by a recession, so it was an artificial price. They can’t be honest for 5 seconds and admit that because without it they don’t have an argument to make.

Gotta love these prices under Obama, $2 a gallon and not in a recession either! Barack rocks!

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Rocky Verdad August 6, 2015 at 6:52 pm

DIdn’t we get there like a year ago, like $1.97 or something? I think I recall paying something like that at Goose Creek.

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Speak D Truth August 6, 2015 at 7:13 pm

National Average. We have some of the lowest gas prices and worst roads in the nation because of our low gas tax.

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Not If Republicans Can Help August 6, 2015 at 7:18 pm

Our gas taxes are low, but not for long if your Republican buddies have their way! Republicans actually do love taxes! Just ask Haley!

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Tom August 6, 2015 at 7:04 pm

Five minutes ago at the Kangaroo down the street from me. $1.99 per gallon.

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Speak D Lies Owned Again! August 6, 2015 at 7:07 pm

Check and mate.

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Speak D Truth August 6, 2015 at 7:17 pm

The National Average. Not the average of a state with some of the lowest prices in the nation.

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Rocky Verdad August 6, 2015 at 7:00 pm

Gas was below $2 a gallon in January 2015. Goose Creek, filled up the tank.

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idcydm August 6, 2015 at 7:00 pm

Think again.

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$2.07 Today! August 6, 2015 at 7:03 pm

I fueled up today, so why don’ you think again?

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idcydm August 6, 2015 at 7:07 pm

It’s obvious you don’t get out much.

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More Than You Idiot! August 6, 2015 at 7:17 pm

Did you read the guy below who got $1.99 a gallon?

Maybe you should get out more. You know, from under your rock?

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idcydm August 6, 2015 at 7:35 pm

You obviously missed my point, everyone knows gas is hovering around $2 a gallon.

How much gas did you buy before Obama became President? I can remember buying gas for 15 cents a gallon (of course that was during a gas war) and the first time it reached $3 dollars a gallon when Bush was President.

The only rocks around here are multiple name users.

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Grandpappy's Nostalgia August 6, 2015 at 10:04 pm

15 cents a gallon, wow! And I’ll bet you had to walk 5 miles to school in the blistering cold snow, uphill both ways?

We all know how inflation works. People bought hamburgers for a nickel, but then again there wasn’t many people making $100,000 a year back then either.

Thank you for the stroll down memory lane but you would be hard pressed to buy water at the store for 15 cents a gallon, so it is pretty much irrelevant.

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idcydm August 6, 2015 at 11:01 pm

If we all know how inflation works why all the bitching about the price of gas or the price of anything for that matter.

Never had to walk to school and they didn’t sell water in stores back then.

BTW try using one user name instead of trolling.

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Ownd-bama August 6, 2015 at 7:28 pm

Cheap gas without the useless and destructive Keyston Pipeline. Obama was right again!

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GOP = joke, You = punchline August 6, 2015 at 5:48 pm

You hate America because it isn’t doing what you want, so you are the unpatriotic loser just like those in the “debate” tonight are.

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Ernesto August 6, 2015 at 7:20 pm

Reaganomics was the first mistake, then under Clinton prosperity and equality came back, the we got dragged into two stupid wars by neocons and Obma recovered as much as he could. You had enough chances…enoughis enough. Go regroup for a decade and come back with policies worthy of this great country and stop your destruction of middle class America- and re Trump:stop making fools out of yourselves -you are better than this populist Nero-esque stuff!

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You don't like the masses? August 6, 2015 at 10:37 pm

“populist”

Anyone for democracy is a populist.

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Rocky Verdad August 7, 2015 at 8:00 am

You’re an American-hating piece of shit?

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Linda Lou August 8, 2015 at 5:06 pm

You really shouldn’t fall asleep in front of FoxSnooze – they’re fairly unbalanced! Nice language Treasonoustramp!

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Tumbleweeds August 6, 2015 at 7:26 pm

Gotta love that huge and excited crowd. You’d think they’d definitely hire a crowd for a televised debate. People just don’t give a fuck about these goofballs. Kiss 2016 goodbye, GOP.

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Rand Paul August 6, 2015 at 7:28 pm

I could lend my token black supporter, I’d suggest putting him at the front and then manufacturing headlines about reaching out to minorities!

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JayStamper2014 August 6, 2015 at 4:11 pm

I hope Trump doesn’t tone himself down.

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Nölff August 6, 2015 at 4:46 pm

I expect him to be toned up. I want to be entertained.

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Tanning Bedroom Eyes August 6, 2015 at 7:01 pm

Hell yeah! He’ll look like a fucking punpkin.

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ClownCar August 6, 2015 at 9:45 pm

It’s going to have to be like the Special Olympics and tell them they are all winners just for showing up.

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Rocky Verdad August 6, 2015 at 10:04 pm

It is like special olympics. Jeb starts off like a healed retard and ends up tripping over six-inch hurdles.

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The Colonel August 6, 2015 at 9:51 pm

Trump is showing his ass. His refusal to support the party will be the first chime in his death knell as a “Republican”. He’ll run as a third party if he doesn’t implode.

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Sic Semper Tyrannis August 6, 2015 at 9:57 pm

Where is his non support ?

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The Colonel August 6, 2015 at 10:11 pm

In his refusal to agree to support whoever the nominee is.

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Good! August 7, 2015 at 6:37 am

Considering that the majority of the rest of the people onstage are beholden to the Koch brother I say “GOOD!”.

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Linda Lou August 8, 2015 at 5:00 pm

There have to be some Great Candidates somewhere but not on either side of this race yet! ?

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Linda Lou August 8, 2015 at 4:57 pm

Yes –
Also his inability to show respect or even common courtesy to those who disagree with him –
He would start W A R s Everywhere with his boorishness

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Rocky Verdad August 6, 2015 at 10:03 pm

Yeah, but he’s kicking asses – like his turning to Rand Paul – “I gave a lot of money to you.” He’s like a giant crazy referee saying to them – “cut the bullshit.” He puts them all in an uncomfortable place. And showing his ass – his supporters are irrational ass showers – like they care. BTW Colonel – as a Dem – I really don’t care much for Hillary.

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Limbaughsaphatkhunt August 7, 2015 at 12:37 am

I know what you mean. Hillary is like the brussel sprouts you leave on your plate for the last thing and hold your nose as you try and choke them down one by one as quickly as possible to avoid the taste.

You know they are good for you, but they look, smell and taste like shit.

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Rocky Verdad August 7, 2015 at 7:59 am

Actually I like brussel sprouts. She’s more like rotten meat you keep in the freezer until garbage day so it doesn’t stink up the garbage can. Joe To Go – 2016

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Who cares August 6, 2015 at 10:04 pm

The GOP isn’t worth supporting anyway, & that goes for Democrats too.

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Colonel Commie August 6, 2015 at 10:50 pm

You are nuts.He ain’t running third party you fucking socialist.

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The Colonel August 6, 2015 at 11:13 pm

And I’m a socialist because I don’t support Trump? Apparently 3/4 of the auditorium are socialists as well.

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Socialismo August 7, 2015 at 8:29 am

Flip doesn’t even know what socialism is, let alone who supports it.

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Limbaughsaphatkhunt August 7, 2015 at 12:33 am

Very tricky times for the GOP. Obviously the donor class, the establishment heavies and a fair few GOP voters don’t want Donald to win the nomination, but if you go too hard at him then he’ll continue to pick up Palin-ites and potentially win some early states. If he wins at least one state (N.H., Iowa or S.C.) he’s likely to stay in as an “R” which would be a nightmare for the party as it would drag out the nomination process and horror of horrors he actually wins the nod.
However, if he loses all three of those first states (considering his poll numbers now) he would probably drop the “R” and go as an independent…assuming he still cares about being president at that point.
If that happens, again..another nightmare for the party as he would siphon off votes in the general and hand an already almost assuredly Dem. victory…to them on a silver platter.

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I want DEMOCRAT bashing only! August 6, 2015 at 4:28 pm

Hillary’s refusal to answer questions for the disaster you have made of America, is ALL that I want them to talk about.

Hopefully they will bludgeon the Democrat Party with EACH and EVERY word. That is a way to have FITSNews, MSNBC and the NYT scrambling and shitting on themselves.

And by attacking the America-hating, bigoted Democrat Party, our people will stand with ovations of vehement praise.

Attack the enemy, and you liberals will not be so obsessed with us. That’s why you HATE Trump.

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Sic Semper Tyrannis August 6, 2015 at 4:49 pm

I think you are not informed on the debate.

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Another jacker? August 6, 2015 at 4:54 pm

Do you even have a TV? Probably jacking your wifi from a neighbor or nearby business. In any case, you making very little sense. You’ve created a strange fantasy world.

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Mandingo August 6, 2015 at 6:06 pm

He was just jacking…off.

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flip August 6, 2015 at 6:22 pm

That’s my job!

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Baby Wants His Bottle August 6, 2015 at 5:55 pm

Who gives a flying fuck what you want? Go change your diaper.

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Drink's on me August 6, 2015 at 4:58 pm

Sorry Bill Cosby won’t be there tonight.

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9" August 6, 2015 at 5:29 pm

He already fucked ’em.Don’t waste his time.

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Pfizer Commercial August 6, 2015 at 5:50 pm

Better be quick doing it sir, we aren’t joking about the 4 hour erection thing.

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shifty henry August 6, 2015 at 11:35 pm

good one!

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Typical disaster Democrat August 6, 2015 at 6:29 pm

Wow, you articulate what the Democrat Party is as well as Obama and Hillary.
YOU are what is wrong with America. I hope we win, and deport your ass to some 3rd World cesspool where you can get the kind of government you deserve, you worthless piece of shit.

Thank goodness American did not have to depend on ignorant bastards like you to build it. We’d be like Kenya, or some other toilet country.

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Sic Semper Tyrannis August 6, 2015 at 6:31 pm

TUPID

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9" August 6, 2015 at 6:48 pm

I’m not a Democrat.I’m a Sodomite.I prefer Australia.

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Go to Haiti August 6, 2015 at 6:53 pm

I envision you as a child molester. You’d likely do very well in Haiti. It’s very ass-backward politically, like you. And anything goes for gays, there.

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NAMBLA August 6, 2015 at 6:57 pm

Are you trying to recruit another member, GrandTango?

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The USA isn't ready August 6, 2015 at 4:55 pm

Trump’s fat sweaty pumpkin head will really pop in front of that blue background.
#firstorangepresident

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Sic Semper Tyrannis August 6, 2015 at 5:39 pm

Wow, the votes have Jeb in 4th, can’t wait.

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sparklecity August 6, 2015 at 5:42 pm

Got bigger fish to fry than waste time on this farce called a “debate”
Gotta finish “Our Man In Charleston” that I checked out from the Spartanburg library (only a 2 week limit and I was the first one to check it out).
Damn good read and definitely shows the roots of all the shit that has haunted the Great State of South Carolina to this very day.
I’ll just wait to see what Mika says tomorrow morning on “Morning Joe” then wait for my internet edition of “The Week” for other details.

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Zzzzzzzz August 6, 2015 at 5:59 pm

Not everybody is as interested in you as you.

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Rocky Verdad August 7, 2015 at 8:08 am

Mika – a great French Canadian rack. I’ve always wondered why Montreal produces great racks.

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Speak D Truth August 6, 2015 at 6:20 pm

I think Bobby Jindal was the best candidate in the minor league debate.

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Americans HATE Democrat Party August 6, 2015 at 6:34 pm

If the GOP has learned ANYTHING from Trump, it’s that the American people want the Democrat Party – with Hillary and Obama- attacked and ripped to shreds. We MUST demolish the enemies of this country, and disarm them, or we’re done as a great nation.

The first moderate-libertarian – who tries to please the media – and bashes another Republican for being Conservative, eliminates himself.

I WILL be watching. You best not fuck up.

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erneba August 6, 2015 at 6:34 pm

I watched the debate. Carly Fiorina was the runaway winner.

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Sic Semper Tyrannis August 6, 2015 at 6:35 pm

Yea, and ran away with the mullah after destroying her company.

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Know thy enemy, and attack August 6, 2015 at 6:35 pm

As long as she bashed the TRUE enemies of America, which is the Democrat Party, that is what matters.

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Sic Semper Tyrannis August 6, 2015 at 6:37 pm

Do you know your ass from your mouth ?

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What's the difference? August 6, 2015 at 6:45 pm

Shit comes out both ends either way.

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Sic Semper Tyrannis August 6, 2015 at 6:50 pm

Only for you

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Forgive my politeness August 6, 2015 at 6:46 pm

I just hope the GOP knows yours, and stuffs it, so you will STFU, and quit destroying our nation, begging food stamps and welfare checks, so you can sit on your slovenly ass, and smoke dope and molest children, like the filthy fucking pervert you are.

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Your Average Republican August 6, 2015 at 6:47 pm

Democrats are evil, they are the enemy, they are filth and we need to defeat them at all costs.

Democrats are the divisive ones.

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Sic Semper Tyrannis August 6, 2015 at 6:39 pm

Thanks Will, we already have had so much fun, it hasn’t started yet. You da man.

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Rocky Verdad August 6, 2015 at 6:43 pm

What to watch tonight:

1. Three members of the onstage crew are part time employees – Rand Paul, Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz.
2. Two members of the onstage crew have not worked since 2008 – Mike Huckabee and Jeb Bush
3. The third place guy is a college drop out
4. One guy is a doctor
5. One Governor is so hated back home only 19% of his state would vote for him
6. That Governor, and another, are lovers of Obamacare and expanded Medicaid.
7. One guy’s last job was reality TV show.

And these guys want to be our next Latex Salesman.

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Rocky Verdad August 6, 2015 at 6:47 pm

First question of the debate goes to Marco Rubio. “Senator Rubio – can we get you bottle of water?”

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Rocky Verdad August 6, 2015 at 6:48 pm

Second question of the debate goes to Jeb Bush – “Governor Bush, to overcome your last name, do you intend to get a Brazilian wax?” His respond to Meygn – “Can I see yours?”

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Rocky Verdad August 6, 2015 at 6:50 pm

Third question of the debate goes to Ted Cruz – “You recently cooked bacon with a machine gun. Is it true Senator that you used Canadian bacon?”

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Rocky Verdad August 6, 2015 at 6:50 pm

Fourth question of the debate to Dr. Ben Carson – “Dr. Carson – can you tell us, the exact setting for the timing on a 1973 Chevy Nova?”

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9" August 6, 2015 at 6:53 pm

I,Rocky,HAD a 73 Chevy Nova.And YOU,flying squirrel,are no Chevy Nova.

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Rocky Verdad August 6, 2015 at 6:58 pm

I will not use 9″’s youth and inexperience for political gain.

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Sic Semper Tyrannis August 6, 2015 at 7:02 pm

That would be 8 degrees btc if a V8.

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Rocky Verdad August 6, 2015 at 6:51 pm

Fifth question of the debate goes to Scott Walker – “Governor Walker, what year did you graduate college?”

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erneba August 6, 2015 at 7:20 pm

Years ago, there was an individual who was asked that same question, and his reply was, “I never attended college.”
Too bad he did not make anything of himself, so you probably have never heard much about him, his name was Abraham Lincoln.

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College Then and Now August 6, 2015 at 7:23 pm

College was not nearly as necessary then as it is now.

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Mitch August 6, 2015 at 8:10 pm

Some of the most successful people on earth did not graduate from college.

Most diploma snobs are not very successful at all. Somehow, a sheepskin makes them feel relevant.

it doesn’t.

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euwe max August 6, 2015 at 7:24 pm

What language did he program in?

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Doctor Bubba August 6, 2015 at 7:27 pm

I’ll be ya surgeon today there pardner! I never went to those newfangled liberal med schools but I’ve helped deliver a calf before, open heart surgery can’t be that hard! Delilah! Bring that moonshine over here, and grab a stick too!

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euwe max August 6, 2015 at 6:58 pm

Paul Krugman talks about the rise of Donald Trump in the polls — and the oh-so-surprised media response to his popularity in the Republicans party

What I would argue is key to this situation — and, in particular, key to understanding how the conventional wisdom on Trump/McCain went so wrong — is the reality that a lot of people are, in effect, members of a delusional cult that is impervious to logic and evidence, and has lost touch with reality.

I am, of course, talking about pundits who prize themselves for their centrism.

Pundit centrism in modern America is a strange thing. It’s not about policy, as you can see from the many occasions when members of the cult have demanded that Barack Obama change his ways and advocate things that … he was already advocating. What defines the cult is, instead, the insistence that the parties are symmetric, that they are equally extreme, and that the responsible, virtuous position is always somewhere in between.

The trouble is that this isn’t remotely true. Democrats constitute a normal political party, with some spread between its left and right wings, but in general espousing moderate positions. The GOP, on the other hand, is a deeply radical faction; even its supposed moderates are moderate only in tone, not in policy positions, and its base is motivated by anger against Others.

What this means, in turn, is that to sustain their self-image centrists must misrepresent reality.

On one side, they can’t admit the moderation of the Democrats, which is why you had the spectacle of demands that Obama change course and support his own policies.

On the other side, they have had to invent an imaginary GOP that bears little resemblance to the real thing. This means being continually surprised by the radicalism of the base. It also means a determination to see various Republicans as Serious, Honest Conservatives — SHCs? — whom the centrists know, just know, have to exist.

We saw this a lot in the cult of Paul Ryan, who was and is very obviously a con man, whose numbers have never added up, but who was nonetheless treated with vast respect — and still sometimes is.

But the ur-SHC is John McCain, the Straight-Talking Maverick. Never mind that he is clearly eager to wage as many wars as possible, that he has long since abandoned his once-realistic positions on climate change and immigration, that he tried to put Sarah Palin a heartbeat from the presidency. McCain the myth is who they see, and keep putting on TV. And they imagined that everyone else must see him the same way, that Trump’s sneering at his war record would cause everyone to turn away in disgust.

But the Republican base isn’t eager to hear from SHCs; it has never put McCain on a pedestal; and people who like Donald Trump are not exactly likely to be scared off by his lack of decorum.

For what it’s worth, I still don’t expect The Donald to win the nomination; the big money will presumably coalesce around someone — though given Jeb’s foot-in-mouth performance it’s hard to see who — and will probably squeeze him out in the end. But the story so far has been a remarkable illustration of how little many professional political pundits seem to understand.

Jonathan Chait pretty much nailed it with this piece the other day:

But Trump has outdone him not just in celebrity appeal, but in calculated offensiveness. Trump’s crude denunciation of Mexican immigrants as criminals made him the symbol of Republican nativism in the Latino community, yet this only enhanced his appeal. The most staggering indicator of his success to date is not that he has maintained his polling lead. It is that opposition among Republican voters has actually decreased. A month ago 59 percent of likely Republican voters said they would never vote for Trump. That has fallen to one third. The attacks on Trump have actually backfired.

The amorphous fervor of the right-wing base has stumped liberals as well as conservatives. Outsiders have struggled to comprehend how Republican voters can attach themselves to an economic agenda so plainly at odds with their own interest, or whip themselves into a frenzy over a manufactured outrage (whether it is Elián González, ACORN, death panels, or the legitimacy of Obama’s birth). Trump embodies that mysterious X factor that has eluded analysts of all sides. His affect supplies his appeal — he is strong, mad, and, above all, unapologetic in a world that demands he apologize. Trump is not the spokesman for an idea at all, but the representation of undifferentiated resentment.

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Smart Man! August 6, 2015 at 7:01 pm

“the reality that a lot of people are, in effect, members of a delusional
cult that is impervious to logic and evidence, and has lost touch with
reality.”

This thread has a number of the people he’s talking about, and they are easy to spot!

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A proven HOAX August 6, 2015 at 7:12 pm

“delusional cult”

“You’re the party of manmade Global Warming, Dumbass. (:

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Stop Global Warming August 6, 2015 at 7:15 pm

We could do a lot to save the environment if we could plug up all that hot air leaking from the heads of people like you.

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He's fucking ignorant August 6, 2015 at 7:09 pm

Krugman writes: “Democrats constitute a normal political party…”

This may be the most IGNORANT motherfucker to ever breathe. (:

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euwe max August 6, 2015 at 7:11 pm

This may be the most IGNORANT motherfucker to ever breathe. (:

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Yeah.. no education.

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Ignorant fucking the ignorant August 6, 2015 at 7:14 pm

He’s probably got degrees covering his wall.

The fact that it’s how liberals gauge wisdom and intelligence – by indoctrination from dumbasses like him – shows how fucking stupid you are in reality.

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College Dropouts August 6, 2015 at 7:16 pm

You sound like someone who could never graduate college. Someone’s got a bit of envy!

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euwe max August 6, 2015 at 7:20 pm

Not you – you’re too clever to fall for the education scam.

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excellent

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Eliminate LibertarianModerates August 6, 2015 at 7:07 pm

Jeb and Christie, and any other libertarian moderate, needs to be eliminated tonight. That will be a GREAT benefit to the country, and to the party.

And it will, in effect, snuff out Hillary’s chances to be president.

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Doofus Speaks Nonsense Again August 6, 2015 at 7:08 pm

Liberal-Tarians?

GrandTango, how is a libertarian a moderate Republican? Republicans are leftists to libertarians.

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He's 100% Right August 6, 2015 at 7:10 pm

But you do agree with what he said don’t you? If you don’t you’ve not very politically savvy.

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Press 1 For English August 6, 2015 at 7:13 pm

You’ve not very politically savvy? God damn outsourcing to India.

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Rigid mind liberal August 6, 2015 at 7:17 pm

Not able to think on your feet, I see.

I bet you’re used to having it spoon fed to you, like they do to dumbasses, or you can’t get it. The DNC loves idiots like you (my apologies to true idiots.) They pour it in, and you follow like a clueless fucking robot.

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True Idiots Like You August 6, 2015 at 7:26 pm

Voting for a real libertarian would at least stop a lot of the fucked up things you Republican idiots are doing to this country. Someone has to save the rest of us from the mouth breathers like you.

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He's Toast August 6, 2015 at 10:03 pm

And liberals like Trump.

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Mavis Johnson August 6, 2015 at 8:23 pm

thanks for this live blog! commentaries are great. …waiting for the Donald! Carly said she’d go after Putin, clueless.

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euwe max August 6, 2015 at 8:43 pm

15 minutes…

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The Colonel August 6, 2015 at 9:10 pm

Trump just killed himself

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Rocky Verdad August 6, 2015 at 10:38 pm

No, you don’t get it Colonel. He can’t do that. The people who support him, he could rape white women in his office, and they’d support Trump and vilify the victim. They are not rational. They’re nuts. Crazy ass nuts.

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Sic Semper Tyrannis August 6, 2015 at 9:11 pm

Jeb, a conservative, LOL.

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Speak D Truth August 6, 2015 at 9:13 pm

There are those that will be turned off by Trump’s comments but he is right that political correctness is ruining this country.

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Sic Semper Tyrannis August 6, 2015 at 9:15 pm

Cruz is right republicans have no honor

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Sic Semper Tyrannis August 6, 2015 at 9:17 pm

Christy, read my lips

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9" August 6, 2015 at 9:18 pm

what about his hair?

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Sic Semper Tyrannis August 6, 2015 at 9:19 pm

Donalds rocks vschristy

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9" August 6, 2015 at 9:21 pm

who’d go near them?

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Sic Semper Tyrannis August 6, 2015 at 9:20 pm

Thanks Bush for Iraq rp

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Sic Semper Tyrannis August 6, 2015 at 9:22 pm

K man rocked, Obama made a difference

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Sic Semper Tyrannis August 6, 2015 at 9:23 pm

Jeb ain’t TA one

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Speak D Truth August 6, 2015 at 9:26 pm

Trump’s ego is showing. Too many “I’s, Me’s, and ‘If not for me’s.”

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Sic Semper Tyrannis August 6, 2015 at 9:27 pm

Trump just + 12

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Mavis Johnson August 6, 2015 at 9:29 pm

i like this:

Megyn Kelly asks Donald Trump about his history of referring to women offensively, including calling them fat pigs and slobs.

“Only Rosie O’Donnell,” Trump quips, drawing laughter.

“For the record it was well beyond Rosie O’Donnell,” Kelly said.“Yes I’m sure it was,” he said.

“I think the big problem this country has is being politically correct,”
Trump said to big applause. “I don’t frankly have time for total
political correctness, and to be honest with you, this country doesn’t
have time either.”

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Sic Semper Tyrannis August 6, 2015 at 9:33 pm

Point

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Marlin Johnson August 6, 2015 at 9:40 pm

Really That’s an important world issue for Megan? She sounds like a liberal wrote her questions

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Megyn is Half Feminazi August 6, 2015 at 10:20 pm

Megyn has been known to get super pissed at people knocking women in powerful roles. She may be a good little shill for most Republican policies but nothing grinds her gears more than that.

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Marlin Johnson August 6, 2015 at 10:21 pm

Sh.. she ought to be on The View

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Rocky Verdad August 6, 2015 at 10:37 pm

She’s freakin’ hot, and I’m sworn against blonde American chicks. But she’s freakin’ hot. Hot. Hot. Hot.

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Sic Semper Tyrannis August 6, 2015 at 9:36 pm

Cruz lost

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Marlin Johnson August 6, 2015 at 9:37 pm

I think the hosts are attacking like Trump adversaries. The rest of the candidates are getting softballs. I’m very disappointed in the moderators

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Sic Semper Tyrannis August 6, 2015 at 9:37 pm

Me to

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Sic Semper Tyrannis August 6, 2015 at 9:38 pm

Doughnut lost

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Sic Semper Tyrannis August 6, 2015 at 9:39 pm

Rand lost

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Speak D Truth August 6, 2015 at 9:39 pm

Rand should just withdraw right now and walk off of the stage.

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Rocky Verdad August 6, 2015 at 10:06 pm

Yeah, he’s finished.

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Ron Paul August 6, 2015 at 10:18 pm

Even I had better success. Son, I am disappoint.

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Speak D Truth August 6, 2015 at 9:39 pm

Trump has brought immigration to the forefront. I don’t think the Democrats can compete with the Republicans on this issue. The Republicans will score big points with the voters on this topic.

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Sic Semper Tyrannis August 6, 2015 at 9:39 pm

I agree with you

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Marlin Johnson August 6, 2015 at 9:41 pm

Not if they want to give amnesty.

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Facts, please August 6, 2015 at 9:43 pm

Except for the fact immigration, both legal and illegal, is down tremdously since the mid-2000s
http://www.pewhispanic.org/2010/09/01/us-unauthorized-immigration-flows-are-down-sharply-since-mid-decade/

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Speak D Truth August 6, 2015 at 9:51 pm

Drive through Saluda and then tell me that website is correct. Drive down Percival Rd and tell me that website is right. Go to a Wal Mart on payday and tell me that website is right. You can’t honestly do it.

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D Truth Hurts August 7, 2015 at 4:02 am

They’re only statical facts that are right no matter where you ask someone to go . Are you saying you frequent places illegal immigrants hangout? If that’s so, do something about it.

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Obama LIES, A LOT August 7, 2015 at 7:15 am

Part of Obama’s biggest lies is to cheat on data to cover himself. And a lot of liberal pollsters poll as he tells them to poll, to help him.

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Speak D Truth August 7, 2015 at 8:01 am

How does the government determine the number of illegal immigrants crossing the border each year? Are they handing out welcome packets and keeping count as they pour across the border? If so, why aren’t they stopping them instead.

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Rocky Verdad August 7, 2015 at 8:14 am

Are you drinking? They bashed Latinos last time and got wiped, now they’re doubling down.

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Sic Semper Tyrannis August 6, 2015 at 9:43 pm

Jeb is double dead

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Marlin Johnson August 6, 2015 at 9:44 pm

I think the moderators want to hug him and Huckabee

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Sic Semper Tyrannis August 6, 2015 at 9:45 pm

Trump is getting a raw deal, k brothers want to rule

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Marlin Johnson August 6, 2015 at 9:46 pm

I guess the Fox media want to prove they are just like the rest of the media

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Speak D Truth August 6, 2015 at 9:45 pm

Ben Carson ” If you are going to be in a war then be in it to win it.”

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Sic Semper Tyrannis August 6, 2015 at 9:46 pm

Damn, the Dr is right

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Sic Semper Tyrannis August 6, 2015 at 9:48 pm

It’s sad, the k boys exicution

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Marlin Johnson August 6, 2015 at 9:51 pm

The moderators are attacking Trump like adversaries. The rest of the candidates are getting softballs. I’m very disappointed in the Fox. I guess they are trying to show who is boss like the mainstream media

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Sic Semper Tyrannis August 6, 2015 at 9:53 pm

U expect more

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Sic Semper Tyrannis August 6, 2015 at 9:55 pm

Donald is being held in the box like a race horse. The K money is very powerful.

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Rocky Verdad August 6, 2015 at 10:01 pm

My take so far, Jeb’s struggling, a few moments of bright, but otherwise falling flat. Marco is off to the side and staying there. Kasich seems to be make a strong showing, and Trump – I love this guy .What a jerk, but man he puts them in their place. Quote of the night – Trump to Rand Paul – “I gae you a lot of money.”

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Marlin Johnson August 6, 2015 at 10:08 pm

Boy they are sure making Huckabee squirm… NOT He must of wrote the questions for them

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The Colonel August 6, 2015 at 10:10 pm

Rand Paul is coming across as shrill and whiny

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Oligarchy FTW! August 6, 2015 at 10:10 pm

The Fuckbook signs in the background are a nice touch. No matter which pol wins, Mark Zuckerberg wins more.

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Deep Pockets Fill Themselves August 6, 2015 at 10:13 pm

Now if Zuckerberg can pull a Koch and make all of them kiss his ring for funding, he can get in on the puppetmaster action.

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Oligarchy FTW! August 6, 2015 at 10:14 pm

Ring? Hell, if I’m Zuckerberg I’m dropping my drawers expecting the “big kiss” from Hilliary or whoever wins.

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Oligarchy FTW! August 6, 2015 at 10:12 pm

Trump is the perfect man to see this country through its needed bankruptcy, even if he is a orange douche.

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Fifth Time's a Charm August 6, 2015 at 10:14 pm

If he somehow manages to win the nomination, he better pull off a massive troll with his VP pick.

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Speak D Truth August 6, 2015 at 10:22 pm

Vince McMahon for VP

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Marlin Johnson August 6, 2015 at 10:12 pm

Here we go again. Rip into Trump, no questions about policy or vision. F Fox

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Fake News Strikes Again! August 6, 2015 at 10:17 pm

Fox News = FEBE, For Establishment By Establishment

Their only goal is to weed out the free radicals and make sure the same old same old goes up.

Most of their viewers are completely blind to that.

That is why the GOP has floundered so badly when it comes to the White House.

Their death grip is only killing their own party.

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Oligarchy FTW! August 6, 2015 at 10:24 pm

Nice commentary.

Thing is, when you hear some of the inane applause over the most retarded of talking points vomited out by the candidates, it doesn’t take long to realize the idiots are in charge and the monkeys are just part of the Special Olympics.

It’s no different for the Dems too.

When Ben Carson said he doesn’t think people are stupid, he showed his own stupidity. I don’t care if he’s a “doctor” or not.

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Speak D Truth August 6, 2015 at 10:13 pm

Trump is getting out of the box they are trying to put him in.

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Marlin Johnson August 6, 2015 at 10:15 pm

I think he put Chris Wallace in his place. All Trump’s successful business ventures and they hold four failures against him?

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Oligarchy FTW! August 6, 2015 at 10:16 pm

…and in fairness to him none of those on stage have ever had to risk anything in life because they live off the taxpayers.

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Speak D Truth August 6, 2015 at 10:21 pm

I don’t think they were failures. They were strategic maneuvers that were completely legal. Many people in today’s world have escaped debt by declaring bankruptcy and then rebuilding.

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Oligarchy FTW! August 6, 2015 at 10:26 pm

Yep. More importantly, it’s a fundamental part of the economic system here….in countries with no bankruptcy you have fiscal slavery and economic stagnation.

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Rocky Verdad August 6, 2015 at 10:40 pm

It’s a constitutional right. No kidding.

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Rocky Verdad August 6, 2015 at 10:39 pm

Did I just hear Cruz say he takes it from behind?

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Did your ears perk up? August 6, 2015 at 10:55 pm

That’s your inner want speaking.

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Rocky Anal August 6, 2015 at 11:05 pm

Rocky fucks his daughter every night.Give him a break.

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Rocky Verdad August 7, 2015 at 8:12 am

Uncalled for.

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flip August 7, 2015 at 8:57 am

I saw that comment and I agree-uncalled for.However I did see your comment on this thread mocking fun of and mocking the disabled and ’special olympics’.

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flip August 7, 2015 at 8:58 am

‘making fun of’

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Rocky Verdad August 7, 2015 at 8:59 am

I was making fun of Jeb actually.

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flip August 7, 2015 at 8:59 am

On the ‘backs’ of the handicapped and disabled.

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Rocky Verdad August 7, 2015 at 8:59 am

But that probably was an insult to handicapped people, so I apologize. Jeb runs like a girl.

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flip August 7, 2015 at 9:00 am

Obama throws like a girl.No problem.

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Rocky Verdad August 7, 2015 at 9:01 am

:)

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Rocky Verdad August 6, 2015 at 10:41 pm

Holy shit, Carson just said we have a few planes as we had in 1940. You mean we’re down to just a handful of bi-planes? Holy crap!!!!! Not to mention a deficit in bayonets and horses.

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flip August 6, 2015 at 11:03 pm

Carson had the line of the night.Hillary won’t be the democrat nominee.

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Rocky Verdad August 7, 2015 at 8:12 am

You may be right. Biden is polling even better than Hillester agasint the entire GOP field.

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Rocky Verdad August 6, 2015 at 10:42 pm

Walker seems like he’s almost smart, too bad he didn’t finish college. He’s done. Wants to deploy missiles to Czech Republic.

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Rocky Verdad August 6, 2015 at 10:43 pm

Huckabee can be renamed – I hate gays. I hate gays. I hate gays.

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flip August 6, 2015 at 11:00 pm

lol…thank God your family is not allowed to vote.

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Rocky Verdad August 7, 2015 at 8:11 am

Me and wifey are.

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Fox News is a disgrace August 6, 2015 at 10:56 pm

Fox News comes out of this debate as the grand loser, they have done nothing tonight but to try and trash Trump…..it just goes to show even Fox is not fair and balanced….I am voting for Trump, the rest are a bunch empty suits who are not part of the solution but they are the problem. Trump and Carley in 2016.

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No surprise August 6, 2015 at 10:58 pm

They did the same thing to Ron Paul last cycle. Maybe they’ll piss off Trump enough for him to run third party.

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Marlin Johnson August 6, 2015 at 11:02 pm

I totally agree. I am Was a big fan of Fox. The are obviously in the tank for the RNC as the mainstream media is for the DNC

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flip August 6, 2015 at 11:02 pm

Kelley had an axe to grind. Other than that great job by Fox and the candidates.

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Marlin Johnson August 6, 2015 at 11:03 pm

She ought to go work on The View.

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flip August 6, 2015 at 11:04 pm

yep

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FOX still attracts eyes August 7, 2015 at 7:07 am

Maybe it will end up with the same viewer number of MSNBC or CNN. (:

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The Colonel August 6, 2015 at 11:03 pm

Line of the night – “…I’m the only one to remove half a brain but somebody beat me to Washington…” Dr. Been Carson

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Great slam toward Obama August 7, 2015 at 7:06 am

I’m not sure Obama has even HALF a Brain, unless it’s a half from Mao Tse Tung.

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Rocky Verdad August 7, 2015 at 7:59 am

Yeah, he’ll never win re-election by a landslide.

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Linda Lou August 8, 2015 at 5:02 pm

And yet, he’s smarter than you’ll ever be!

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shifty henry August 7, 2015 at 12:09 am

Just received a phone call from one of Trump’s operatives.

“How did you find me?”

“We accessed the archives at the White House. We also have a mole at Fitsnews.”

“That was a long, long time ago.”

“Yes, but you sort of stand out.”

“What do you want from me?”

“Mr. Trump needs to generate some down-to-earth humor to lighten his persona.”

“His persona? Are you kidding me?”

“No, Henry, we feel that you have matured to the point that your assistance on the campaign trail would be beneficial to Mr. Trump’s success in achieving the nomination.”

“What the hell gave you that idea?”

“We know as factual information that you once made Arnold Schwarzenegger
laugh. You can do the same for Mr. Trump.”

“Where did you get that information and is there any money in it for me?”

“Yes, once each week you can keep all the chips that you can pick up off the carpet in one of Mr. Trump’s casinos.”

“Look here, leave the humor to me. But I’ll mull over your offer.”

“We’ll be back in touch. So stay near your phone.”

“OK, but don’t make it a collect call.”

“Henry, you’ve got me laughing already. You really have the touch.”

Click…dial tone…….

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US's next president, cabinet August 7, 2015 at 7:20 am

A least 5 would be FAR FAR better than the disaster in the White House now. And there are SEVERAL cabinet members on the stage too.

We’ll have to purge all the gov’t agencies that are infested with radical anti-American liberals. That’s where Bush made a bIG mistake. He left these cretins in place, and they worked against the country behind his back. Then blamed him, to the thill of the media.

Liberalism is being proven a VERY FALSE religion. We can really damage it if we run a scorched earth campaign. And we have the people to do it. The stage shows that.

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flip August 7, 2015 at 7:44 am

Yes indeed.A great night.I was always curious about Megan Kelley’s relationship with for Obama hac man Bill Burton.We found out last night that she is a true femi-nazi and a Democrat.

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We are FAR better than this August 7, 2015 at 7:48 am

I looked at some of my liberal FB Friends comments. They are SQUIRMING. While Hate Speech lofted Obama, I don’t think that’s going to work for Hillary, especially after what they have done to America.

and if nothing else the gOP candidates are clearly pointing out the mess the Democrats have made of the nation.

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Megyn Kelly is Half Feminazi August 7, 2015 at 8:38 am

Thought I’d back up my comment earlier with this link. Megyn Kelly bucks a lot of the Republican stuff when it comes to women’s issues. Here she is laying into Erickson.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbvSn0Vp4pE

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