DEMOCRATIC FRONTRUNNER: GRACE “DOES NOT COME FROM ABOVE”
|| By FITSNEWS || Remember U.S. president Barack Obama‘s “you didn’t build that” gaffe? Well, presumed 2016 Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton may have just offered up one to top that.
During a visit to early-voting South Carolina, the scandal-scarred former Secretary of State paid a visit to West Columbia’s Brookland Baptist Church. In addressing the Palmetto State’s response to last month’s horrific, racially motivated “Holy City Massacre,” Clinton praised the grace that’s been shown in the aftermath of the tragedy.
“That did not come from above,” Clinton said. “That came from people and communities, rising up and speaking out.”
Wait … what?
Grace doesn’t come from above?
Whoa …
We don’t claim to be Biblical scholars around here. Nor do we thump our Bibles at other people (we’re libertarians). Having said that, we’re pretty sure Clinton just told every evangelical voter in South Carolina (and beyond) that their faith in God is meaningless.
Grace doesn’t come from above?
Obviously it’s not as dangerous saying something like that in a Democratic primary election, but still … is that really the view of black churches in South Carolina? Seriously, is that the sort of doctrinal statement that slain Mother Emanuel AME pastor Clementa Pinckney – a Clinton supporter – would have endorsed?
Just curious … because the last time we checked all Christian doctrines held that grace from above was the only way a person could be saved by faith.
Look, we get that it’s no longer cool to be Christian in America. And for the record, this website has never sought to impose its Christian roots on anyone else (again, we’re libertarians). If anything, we’ve angered the religious right with our progressive views on certain hot button social issues.
But to strip away the authorship of grace from whatever your conception of a higher power is … well, that’s just blasphemy. In fact it’s almost as disgusting as the original secular humanist response to the Charleston shooting.
Clearly human beings are capable of grace, and its extension by the families of the Mother Emanuel victims to the white supremacist murderer Dylann Storm Roof is perhaps the most compelling example of grace any of us will see in our lives. But Clinton’s attempt to appropriate the authorship of that grace to human beings – to “people and communities, rising up and speaking out” – is simply anti-Christian.
And while we’d never vote for or against a candidate on the basis of their specific religious beliefs, many do … and many will no doubt recoil at Clinton’s suggestion that their faith is rooted in a lie.
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Nice attempt at click-bait. Zero controversy in what she said.
Good point. Most of FITSNews followers are as Godless as he is. So they whole-heartedly agree w/ the anti-Christian dogma of the Democrat Party.
I’m not Godless. Where do u get that from?
You will know one by his acts.
Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat:
All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues
and may I add, “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.”
Better watch the work/faith angle – Republicans think it’s voluntary.
Hah! You once told me not to “feed” that very same troll.
I believe you are a person of faith. So am I. It suits the agenda and narrative of assholes like pogo and GT to assert otherwise, though.
On Hillary, much as I do despise her — and much as I agree that her take on “grace” is well off the mark — it’s a bit more complicated, as far as whether or not she is truly “Godless.” As I posted elsewhere:
I agree that Hillary is an opportunist, can’t be trusted, and that she is a generally terrible person. Also, I would add that Bill is a rapist. But is Hillary truly without faith? I don’t know.
From Mother Jones (with the same info available from other sources)
/// Through all of her years in Washington, Clinton has been an active participant in conservative Bible study and prayer circles that are part of a secretive Capitol Hill group known as the Fellowship. Her collaborations with right-wingers such as Senator Sam Brownback (R-Kan.) and former Senator Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) grow in part from that connection. “A lot of evangelicals would see that as just cynical exploitation,” says the Reverend Rob Schenck, a former leader of the militant anti-abortion group Operation Rescue who now ministers to decision makers in Washington. “I don’t….there is a real good that is infected in people when they are around Jesus talk, and open Bibles, and prayer.” /// http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2007/09/hillarys-prayer-hillary-clintons-religion-and-politics
There is no god. Grow up.
You follow FitsNews more than ANYBODY. You godless, anti-Christian hater.
Sen. Pinckney would absolutely disagree with this feckless idiot! I knew the Senator and those people of faith in Charleston are the example for the Nation. They did not want Sharpton in Charleston stirring up hate and discontent and God Bless them, they would never agree with the idiot named Clinton. The Grace shown by the Folks in Charleston definitely came from above. The hate mongers and race baiters need to spread their venom elsewhere we do not need them, nor do we want them in SC. Their sacrilege and blasphemy is NOT welcome!
Do you think Pinckney supported abortion, the selling of black baby parts, gay marriage? Yet he loved him some Obama! Now what could possibly make a Black man or woman saddle up next to someone who is against every belief they have?
The democratic party oppressed blacks with chains during slavery. They oppressed them with Jim Crowe laws during reconstruction. When blacks stood up for themselves in the civil rights era the democrats pointed an undeserving finger at republicans and convinced blacks that the democrats would save them. Now we are in the me generation and democrats are telling blacks that it is all about them while they set the stage for a race war.
Then they all became today’s republicans. Thanks for pointing out how dishonest the GOP is.
Unsubstantiated rhetoric. That is the undeserving damage that I was referring to.
How is it unsubstantiated rhetoric to say that Southern Dems became Southern Republicans? It is the very basis of the current hegemony of the GOP in the Deep South. It is as much a historical reality is the fact that Hillary herself was once a Republican (albeit a Yankee one at that time) who belonged to the Young Republicans group in college.
Draw different conclusions from history, but stop pretending parts of it do not happen at all.
The Republican Party never adopted the racist policies of the democratic Party. The Democratic has and always will be the party of slavery, secession, racism, Jim Crowe, BenTillman, segregation, KKK, oppression, and racial division. The history of the democratic Party is similar to that of the Nazi Party. Both are based on racial/cultural superiority. The Democrats just do a better job of hiding it. The Democrats may have become less racist in the sixties but it does not mean that the Republican’s became more so.
The racist Republicans BECAME the racist Democrats. I’m sure you know that, but you’re being obtuse, as usual. They became “Dixiecrats” first, but Strom lost his bid to be POTUS under that party banner. So, like him, over the next decade or so, they all became Democrats. THAT is how the GOP won the South. Playing on racism and fear of losing white supremacy was what the “Southern Strategy” was all about. That was the mission of Lee Atwater’s entire political life, from a certain point on until he had succeeded, wildly. Stop trying to re-write history.
Your words- Not Mine:
The Buzzman 37 minutes ago
“The racist Republicans BECAME the racist Democrats….”
Show me where the Republicans have a racist background or voting record that compares to the atrocities of the democratic party. Look at Strom’s voting record as a Republican compared to a Democrat. Read statements made about him after he died. Statements made by democrats and minorities. it is documented that the Republicans wanted to get rid of David Duke. I could find nothing that said the Democratic Party ever made an attempt.
Obviously, I got it backwards. Correcting that now.
I’m not speaking of individual voting records, because it would be exhaustive to go back into all that. I’m talking about an entire movement at a certain point in history, where a great number of Democrats in the South became Republicans. It is exactly what LBJ predicted was going to happen, due to the Civil Rights Act. Again, an historical event, or series of events, which you constantly overlook. Intentionally.
As for David Duke, I was not aware that he was ever a Democrat. But if he was, it proves my point. A racist Democrat in the South became a racist Republican. Good for the GOP that they got rid of him. But it was likely because he was so damned overt in his racism, and about being connected to the KKK.
Even if that happened, You cannot show where the racism of the Democratic Party transferred to the Republican Party. The legacy of racism belongs to the Democratic Party. I can find nowhere that the republican Party has ever endorsed racism to the degree of the Democratic Party. If this “switch” truly occurred the way Democrats claim then the overt racism that permeated the Democratic Party would have overcome the Republican Party and they would now have the same racist voting history that Democrats have. That is not the case.
“Even if that happened …” You can make book on it.
Both parties have “played the race” card in different ways over the years. Most recently (if we don’t count some of the more insane rebel flag fetishist’s words and actions, the restrictive voting laws pushed and passed by the GOP majorities in several states are a throwback to the Jim Crow years — because they are specifically designed to keep more blacks from voting than anyone else.
This ends my bantering on this with you pogo. You know your position is bullshit, if you have half a brain. And I think you do.
There was some party switching but not to the extent that Democrats like to claim. There wasn’t enough of it to make the Republicans ooze with racism like they Democrats.
The very fact that you try to compare Voter ID to Jim Crowe is an example of the democratic Party’s attempt to minimize the perception of their racist past.
We already require people to register to vote. You used to be required to have your voter registration card with you when you voted. Now you can show your drivers license or other picture ID. What is wrong with trying to minimize voter fraud by requiring people to have an ID? In SC we were going to issue free ID’s to people so they could vote. What percentage of people today don’t have an ID? Democrats only opposed this law because it prevented people from voting for a relative that didn’t want to vote and because it prevented dead people from voting.
Stop with the red herrings. Someone brings up Voter ID and you counter with party history. There is no voter fraud problem, that’s the problem with more requirements to vote. It’s a bullshit cover for an attempt to discourage voters who typically vote D. Out.
The fact that you ignore 110% turnouts in some precincts. Admissions by some democrats to voting multiple times and other things then you cannot participate in a legitimate debate of the need for voter ID.
Source?
Google it yourself. You are yet to cite a reference. I have already given you several
I got your answer: none. Or “I heard”
Show you? How about ‘in the beginning” when Nixon shaped his Southern Strategy which was and is a totally planned, conscious, and willful strategy to oppose a Civil Rights Act in order to gain Southern votes. He noted at the time that this strategy would gain more votes than they would lose if they would support a Civil Rights Act. A true strategy of realpolitik. And then there’s George Wallace who lost a couple of elections due to be too moderate on racial issues. Afterwards, he swore he would never be “outniggered again” and became the racist politician we are most familiar with.
And there wasn’t enough support to defeat the legislation or to elect Wallace. Changing parties did not make the Republican Party the racist party that the democrats were. Neither of these events compare to the atrocities committed by the Democratic Party. If the Republicans suddenly became racist after years of supporting minority rights then there should be a record of a mass exodus of there Republicans to the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party only started to support the Civil Rights Act as a means to end the riots. LBJ was forced to meet with MLK. LBJ was a horrible racist and only endorsed the act as a means to save his party. It was a purchasing of the black vote, a vote that Democrats tried for years to deny to black citizens. It was never about what was morally right, it was about survival.
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/lyndon-johnson-civil-rights-racism
I’ll have those n*ggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years.”
— Lyndon B. Johnson to two governors on Air Force One according Ronald Kessler’s Book, “Inside The White House”http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2484587/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2484587/posts
Seems he did pretty well with those gubernatorial elections though. We’re adult enough to realize politicians do and say things that are not motivated by their beliefs and core values. No news there. But in that context, I’m more interested in whether they do the right thing–or not., as opposed to a party that consistently campaigns on one set of issues but then governs on another
Kinda like LBJ pushing through a Civil Rights Bill that he did not believe in to gain the votes of a race of people that he despised? No core values. The true values of leading Democrats are shown throughout the Civil Rights Era and through today. They are the true racists but they hide it because they need the black vote to help them stay in power and remain relevant.
Given a choice, I would rather have someone do the right thing for the wrong reason than the wrong thing for the right reason. Say for example refusing to adopt and deliver effective pregnancy and disease prevention education to teenagers because their faith, ideology, or “culture” is opposed to it.
Can you define “effective pregnancy and disease prevention education “? What we have right now isn’t working and there is a huge problem with the democrat supported Planned Parenthood.
I’m sure you can offer a lay definition of of such services sufficient for the discussion. We should also attempt pilot projects on providing contraceptives to teens and young adults, as have been found to be impressively successful in a couple of states. Again, trying and doing things to solve the problem vs. turning a blind eye and using our “vales”, faith, or ideology as cover. And, what do you see as the “huge problem” with Planned Parenthood
You haven’t watched the news about the videos exposing them for selling body parts? You aren’t aware that their founder is an unapologetic racist?
Yes, I’ve seen the politicized, edited half-truths. This is a set-up in order to run this issue (abortion and stopping funding for PP) into the election cycle. Repub. have been attacking PP for years. PP claimed they were not making any profit of this, and this will be investigated. That is good. Meanwhile, it appears also the company behind the videos may have been illegally established in a fraudulent way, and they may have violated the Invasion of Privacy Act. I know for the people who think that murder is justified for doctors who perform abortions, but we are still a nation of laws. BTW, are you an organ donor? Do you think the facilities that remove the organs to be donated do it for free?
I agree that the issue will be investigated but the question is whether or not it will be thoroughly and fairly investigated. The lady on the video quotes a price. A price that should cover the expenses of the procedure but the jumps at a price that is more than that. A price that would generate a profit. She becomes coy when asked about making a profit but never dismisses the idea.
Given that these videos were made in a public place they should not violate right to privacy laws. This is no different than you using your phone to record people walking down the street or a surveillance camera recording you in a alley. For that matter, It is no different than a body camera worn by a cop.
I do think that you have proven an important point. So far you have ignored the racism of the Democratic Party prior to the Civil Rights act of 64. you have taken an end justifies the means attitude to dismiss the racism of LBJ and the real reasons that he pushed the Act of 64 through. You will not acknowledge the many racist remarks made by Democrats since then.
You claim that all of the racist Democrats became Republicans despite the many quotes to the contrary. KKK supporter Margaret Sanger never changed parties. She called for the annihilation of the black race. She supported abortion and could have seen PP as a legal way to begin that extermination. Sanger is worshipped by Hillary Clinton. If Margaret Sanger and Ben Tillman had created a child together it would have been to Anti-Christ.
So the point that you have proven is this: ” Racism is not the problem that is portrayed to be. It this the politicization of racism that is the cause of discontent in America.” Democrats are the party that politicizes racism. Racism needs to end. Democrats need it to survive.
Prior to the end of the Civil War the democrats used Slavery to enslave blacks.
From then until the Civil Rights era they used Jim Crowe Laws to control their actions.
Since the Civil War Era they have used the race card and a dose of social action to control their voting habits.
Margaret Sanger suggested using black preachers to control them. Today we have Wright, Sharpton, Jackson, Farrakhan, and others being used to control the masses. That alone ties today’s Democratic party to their racist roots.
Wow. I all the excitement I think you forgot whether you fired 5 shots or 6. You have attributed statements to me that I have not made (looks more like Buzzman’s comments). I do not deny racism in the Dem Party prior to the Civil Rights Act. I DID ask you for examples of what you were describing as racist in that context. But, discussions about the D’s and R’s histories have only limited value at this juncture. I’m focusing on the post-Civil Rights R’s and D’s– that’s going back over 50 years. And I’m focusing on the track record as it connects to the current political situation. Democrats need racism to survive? Puleese. Repubs have been the masters and commanders of dog whistle politics for decades. Who gave us Willie Horton? Who gave us “welfare queens driving Cadillacs and young bucks buying steaks with welfare money”? Who announced his presidential candidacy at the site of the murder of 3 civil rights workers in 1964 and talked about “states’ rights”? No dog whistle to Southern whites there, I’m sure. And Margaret Sanger? I gives a damn. Relevance, your honor.
Learn the definition of race baiting. Thanks.
Here is a hint:
“We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population. and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.”
-Margret Sanger
One od Hillary’s heroes. BTW.
Yes, I know. She was at that church shopping for a colored minister for the primary. I wonder what Bill the Bubba will say about Blacks this time if she loses again?
Hillary worships her.
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
Remind me of a city, or much less country, on the face of the earth, run by blacks, that is not a complete shithole.
Remind me of a Republican that is not scum.
can you name a democrat that’s not scum, either? Politician=scum!
Elizabeth Warren, Barbara Boxer, Bernie Sanders, Barack Obama, Al Franken…
Man, you are a Koolaid drinker! Everyone you named is a socialist/communist!
I’d take a liberal, if they still made them.
You mean Elizabeth “Running Lies” Warren, Barbara “I don’t have to tell you about my property” Boxer, Bernie “I supported Barack originally” Sanders and Al – oh my, what a tool.
You got it, sir. Those are my choices.
mostly fungi in that lot though Warren is reported to actually be an amoebic permutation.
True… she’s got bigger balls than any of her male peers.
The crimes of Caligula shrink to insignificance compared to the havoc wrought by Torquemada
Are you saying Margaret Sanger had a ghost in her machine?
I was simply comparing/contrasting George Bush and Hitler by looking at their paintings.
What is the meaning of negro and why are you using it. I don’t know the side you are, belief is respect. Dark skin as NEGRO. What tone are you,?
Big fuckin’ deal. Y’all will still line up like the ignorant fucking lemmings you are, worshiping this latest priestess-hag of liberalism.
Remember: Obama insulted the white woman who raised him, after his African Daddy abandoned him, as a “Typical WHITE WOMAN.” And you clueless MoFos look to him for guidance in racial issues. How fucking stupid is that?
Let’s just hope enough of the easily fooled have figured out what a fucking liar Obama has been, and FINALLY makes the Democrat Party account for the Gestapo of HATE you are. We can only hope we can throw you bastards out, and begin to heal this country you have so severely harmed.
Keep supporting Trump. He is the only chance the GOP has if they want support on the national level. So tell all your friends…vote for Trump.
Doesn’t it feel good to write the cuss words now? Also funny how Fits winds you up.
Unless you guys have a spare clown in the trunk we don’t know about, you can kiss 2016 goodbye.
How ironic: That’s your ONLY hope – some other clown named Bernie – and it’s none to zero. We’ve seen the whole car full of clowns, and Hillary’s the top Bozo. That’s effing laughable.
Why is she leading against every clown in your quiver?
Haven’t see the polls recently huh? Hill-no is tanking and the socialist… well , all DumbaCraps are either socialist, or communist are not doing too well, like the 2015 Senate elections.
Just like the Japanese bombing Pearl Harbor, “You have awakened a sleeping Giant” and it is the intelligent, patriotic loving American Majority.
Nope. Not happening. Next fantasy?
Obama’s mother was probably one of the young white girls raped by Obama’s mentor Frank Marshall Davis, as written about in his autobiographical porn novel. She was a victim, in other words, of depraved souls. Damaged, she was also a druggie in the hippie era. Doubt she had too much of a clue about anything. The problem with your screeds, though, is that you project (as does GT) all sorts of non-existent loyalty to, say, Hillary Clinton, on the part of people such as myself who are in no way her fans or supporters..
Well, that’s just one problem with your screeds. The entire list could take days to write, and nobody’s got time for that.
Colonel, ITS BACK! Ring up another “horrific”.
Only that it’s not HORRIFIC at all to FITNews or any Democrat.
You’d give a Billion Dollars for the Roof attack, if he did not oblige you for free. Roof is proof positive for the political hatred you sell to the paranoid and ass-backward idiots who vote for you and the Democrat Party.
Considering conservative, republican supporting websites radicalized him, I’d say people like you are to blame. You’re just an older impotent version of that sick young man.
TRUE THAT.
Look. It’s back. Ring up another bitching about “horrific”.
“horrific”
It’s the weekend. TBG was going to drink anyway.
This woman is a conceited idiot.
Lawyer, Senator, Sec of State? Yeah, she’s an idiot. *facepalm
You forgot to put failed in front of all of that. *facepalm
You’re republicans. You’d think you’d be able to recognize a legitimate political failure. Oh well…
I’ve seen some really pathetic lawyers (most of them) senator, senator this is a joke right, senator laughable, Sec. State John kerry, Hell-no-lary! Are you trying to be funny, a comedian? Your attempts are hillarious; but, your subject fell flat! Laughable, truly laughable.
I’m truly enjoying your desperation and fear! I can smell the Dem. fear it is pungent and wafting through the air. Fantastic, unpleasant odor..Dem. fear! I’m loving it.
Fear? lol. More like facts. Why don’t facts like republicans?
An educated idiot. Just think all those folks that vote Democrat are idiots!
He meant “sociopathy” instead of “idiot”.
She should take a lesson from Trump.
I passed Brooklyn Baptist and noticed the sign, “Caution VERY WIDE LOAD” on someone’s rear entering, then I recognized Hell-No-lary entering. There should have been one advertising “Caution Decomposing Brain Matter” also!
What a stumbling, bumbling FOOL!
So a stumbling, bumbling fool with a wide ass is running circles around every single candidate the republicans have to offer? Man, it’s worse than I though!
Stupid say WHAT?
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/22/politics/hillary-clinton-marco-rubio-jeb-bush-polls/
Keep sucking that Dumocrap ass air ass wipe, drink the poison koolaid, and stick your head up this fools ass..please!
more and more people are fed up and getting more fed up. All, but you socialist/communist types.
OK, I will. It’s worked out very well for me and many parts of the country. How’s that republican revolution from the last election cycle working out for you? ;-)
GrandTango used to be a democrat?
Please read it and weep! yes we are fed up with your communist crap!
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/22/..
As soon as you starting saying communist and socialist you send up a big sign that says, “I’m stuck in the 1950s”. Yes, that’s where you want to “take our country back” to. It’s good for the rest of us to know how to easily spot you.
You probably don’t remember the “Communists, Socialists and Marxists For Obama” blog on the official Obama campaign website back in ’09. It was there for about a month before they scrubbed it from the site. It had been done by an associate of Obama and Ayers from their days in Chicago politics, who had been put in charge of creating blogs for the site. He was old-school Chicago leftist coalition all the way, and did not see why it was such a big deal. Under the bus he went, with all the other inconvenient allies.
^^^ Just submitted for some perspective. Not to counter what you say about these obsessed right wing nutjobs on here. In many ways, what they want to do to this nation is worse that communism. But your totally buying in to the current line that there are no hard left leanings in the Dem party is simply sad.
A nation of sheep, we are, in so many ways.
sheep are more attentive – and smarter.
Totally buying into the current line? Not sure what you’re referring to
This is so funny. So, soooooooo desperate for anything. Please, try and make this an issue with voters. The ones stupid enough to care ate already voting for Trump. LOL
How is that statement untrue?
I’m a person of faith and I don’t care, much less feel ‘assailed’. How dumb do you think people are? Most people aren’t your typical SC republican voter.
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Time to call on Hilliary to give an amazing speech and end it by singing “Amazing Grace”.
does Rosie O’ Donnell sing it any better than Shrillary?
Nothing morally or logically wrong with that statement – boy are you desperate !
It is truly silly season now.
Nice try at ‘faith bating’ – especially from a ‘ libertarian’. But apparently for Will faith is a ‘core value for governing’, despite pivoting immediately and saying the opposite.
All code for ‘ get the attention away from third party candidate Trump’.
Maybe what she meant is that the “Grace” came from the greatness of the democratic community that exists inside that community and the “evil” came from the evil republicans. She can’t give God any credit because as a democrat and a member of the government she would have to consider that a separation of church and state.
So ALL members of government are God haters? Great logic there, GT.
No. Just the liberal democrats that don’t understand the constitutional intent of the separation of powers.
A bit of a stretch even for Sic.
Science, the Acadamy – Superstition, the Inquisition.
“That did not come from above,” Clinton said. “That came from people and communities, rising up and speaking out.”
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I’m not sure if fits interpretation of Hillary’s statement is accurate. “Above” in her quote obviously does not mean a direction. Anyone brought up in the Southern evangelical milieu would translate ‘above’ as a “higher” power. But there is another interpretation. She may have meant a higher human power. This could be Black leadership, the government or other leaders.
That she would purposely ‘diss’ God seems unlikely. It still indicates a disconnect with voters
Hillary more than any other candidate has to have advisors shape her image and tell the voters who she is. Every few months we are told by her campaign and the press that we are going to see the real Hillary revealed. As long as she has been a public figure, this would only be necessary if the real Hillary was not good enough.
Not that she was that cogent to begin with, but the rumors of her having had some type brain damaging event are beginning to look plausible. I don’t think she knows what she was saying, so analyzing her every word is kind of a waste of time. In the 90’s the Clintons were horrific people, but the Republicans went over the top with exaggeration when reality would have sufficed. I think this over reach resulted in a “Lifetime Get Out Of Jail Free card” for them and now when they are doing all these terrible outrages it just looks like a “Vast right Wing Conspiracy”. A political boy who cried wolf, if you will.
Amen to that!
It is however, A vast left wing conspiracy to turn the USA into a third world Hell Hole!
A vast left wing conspiracy to turn the USA into a third world Hell Hole!
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The Republicans beat her to it.
Hillary would sooner speak out against God than the leaders of these civil unrest groups that will help her in her quest to get elected.
“At this point, what difference does it make”?
“Above” in her quote obviously
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grace comes from birds.
Matthew 3:16 — And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him;
Did I nail it, or what?
Got it.
GRACE “DOES NOT COME FROM ABOVE”
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It comes from within – asshole.
Will has lead a very godly life. Getting violent with one woman and publicly claiming to have an affair with another married woman is just what Jesus taught. How dare Hillary assail him and his deeply held Christian values!!!
Matthew 7:1-3
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Damn, you’re dumb.
all ya gotta do, after increasing the burdens on the leeches of the world, and transferring their pittance to the wealthiest in America, so that they can “pull their own weight,” is say….
uh… sorry about that, brother.
and *poor* – you’re redeemed!
Grace – the free and unmerited favor of God, as manifested in the salvation of sinners and the bestowal of blessings.
But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows’ houses, and for a pretense make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!
Wow. I think they have a part for you on True Detective
…as a Republican spree shooter?
Hillary has no Grace, no Shame, No Morals, No Honesty, only self serving GREED! Just like O and Haley.
Nothing here. Nothing in the Obama comment, either. Just another Fox News fake scandal.
I’ve been trying to find another mention of this controversy on the Web. Haven’t yet. Not even Fox. Give me a link if anyone finds one.
Amazing grace! How sweet the sound
That saved a wretch like me!
I once was lost, but now am found;
Was blind, but now I see.
’Twas grace that taught my heart to fear,
And grace my fears relieved;
How precious did that grace appear
The hour I first believed.
Through many dangers, toils and snares,
I have already come;
’Tis grace hath brought me safe thus far,
And grace will lead me home.
The Lord has promised good to me,
His Word my hope secures;
He will my Shield and Portion be,
As long as life endures.
Yea, when this flesh and heart shall fail,
And mortal life shall cease,
I shall possess, within the veil,
A life of joy and peace.
The earth shall soon dissolve like snow,
The sun forbear to shine;
But God, who called me here below,
Will be forever mine.
When we’ve been there ten thousand years,
Bright shining as the sun,
We’ve no less days to sing God’s praise
Than when we’d first begun.
I’m often amazed at how scientifically accurate old religious hymns are.
Example: The earth shall soon dissolve like snow,
The sun forbear to shine;
Soon is accurate when compared to eternity. The sun will expand to egulf the Earth before dieing.
Yeah and there is something about seven in Revelations. I love to hear people try to interpret that. I’ve heard so many stories about the planets lining up, signifying the end of the world. Some seven headed something that is sure to devour us. I’ve live through so many prophetic events that were the end of the world. I’ve just decided the world as we know it ends —it is not unexpected, someone is sure to get the time right.
It’s The End of The World as We Know it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeo0_3gN190
Obviously by a reformed Dem.
The Democrats had better rein this person in. She is a walking goofball when left unattended, her own worst enemy.
She needs to go back to the days of telling her supporters who to talk to. Every time she opens her mouth about her mail server she contradicts herself. Roping off the press served her well because she is not good on her feet. She has the Clinton foundation looming in the background with many unanswered questions. How this woman is going to make through the next sixteen months out in the public is beyond me.
The woman needs to retire into seclusion, because being out interfacing with the public is not her strong suit.
If there is such a thing as White Privilege, Hillary is the poster child.
Cannot argue with that.
When Will Folks and/or FITSNEWS ventures into the various definitions of words or theology…silliness ensues.
How much did they pay her to speak? $50,000? $100,000?
Hillary has NO faith, does not believe, is immoral, unethical, self serving individual just like Bill Clinton. Like Haley, she only cares about herself. We need her in the White House for unlimited scandals, lies, coverups, unethical activity and shameless activities.
We need Bill back to take advantage of interns, develop more connections with his pedophile, sex fiend friends and constant immoral activities.
More sell outs to the Russians and Iranians for contributions to their personal accounts, more OUTRAGEOUS speaking fees and commodities and equities deals.
I love Hillary! She lies and has a bigger ego than me.Makes fun of Christians and loves abortion.Her stories about landing in war torn areas under sniper fire is better than my lies about serving in the military and loving Ramadam
My kind of gal.My daughter is actually as ugly as Chelsea.
Sorry, You have my heart felt sympathy.
I agree that Hillary is an opportunist, can’t be trusted, and that she is a generally terrible person. Also, Bill is a rapist. But is Hillary truly without faith? I don’t know.
From Mother Jones (with the same info available from other sources)
/// Through all of her years in Washington, Clinton has been an active participant in conservative Bible study and prayer circles that are part of a secretive Capitol Hill group known as the Fellowship. Her collaborations with right-wingers such as Senator Sam Brownback (R-Kan.) and former Senator Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) grow in part from that connection. “A lot of evangelicals would see that as just cynical exploitation,” says the Reverend Rob Schenck, a former leader of the militant anti-abortion group Operation Rescue who now ministers to decision makers in Washington. “I don’t….there is a real good that is infected in people when they are around Jesus talk, and open Bibles, and prayer.” /// http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2007/09/hillarys-prayer-hillary-clintons-religion-and-politics
The same prayer group/fundamentalist Christian Libertarian cabal that produced Billy Graham, Rick Warren, Mark Sanford and John Ensign, too.
Their basic ‘theology’ is that they are anointed by God to lead like the adulterous King David and never have to pay a price because they are special. The Coes, the preacher/con men in charge, appear to have missed the part about Absalom.
Lindsay Graham & Hillary Clinton are walking contradictions. He luvs the rod & she craves the beaver.
Once again right wingers prove themselves, then pride themselves for being, dumber than dogshit.
What she is simply saying is that grace is a gift from God, that unacted upon, has no value. The “That” of which you reference is simply people embracing that grace. “That” indeed “did not come from above.” It came from “people and communities” consciously making the decision to embrace the gift of grace. They could have rejected it.
“…last month’s horrific, racially motivated “Holy City Massacre…”
That’s 10 CNSYD! Hic…
jus’ who was it that said religion was “the opiate of the masses”? Hillary Marx the spot and we don’t mean Groucho.