THE FLAG IS DOWN … WHERE DOES THE PALMETTO STATE GO FROM HERE?
|| By FITSNEWS || Fifty-four years after it was raised by state lawmakers, the Confederate flag has been removed from the grounds of the South Carolina capital in the aftermath of a terrible, racially driven tragedy.
So … what happens now? Where does the Palmetto State go from here?
Hmmmm …
We’ll be writing in the coming weeks and months about the fallout from the flag flap … which we can assure our readers is going to be intense. Relationships have been permanently damaged inside the building where the flag once flew, and the Palmetto state’s power structure could shift dramatically as a result.
We don’t yet know how all the power plays will ultimately play out … but we do know a category five sh*tstorm is brewing. And the ship of state is going to have to weather that storm with a badly divided crew.
That’s too bad …
In recent flag-related posts we’ve been pointing out (“control c, control v-style”) that South Carolina has serious, chronic, deeply ingrained problems it desperately needs to address. Our hope was that dealing with the flag expeditiously would enable us to get to work in addressing these problems in a more united fashion.
Judging from the initial reaction we’re seeing under the State House dome – this hope has been tragically misplaced.
Black lawmakers are shamelessly exploiting the racial turmoil to advance more of the same big government “equality of outcome” nonsense that has held South Carolinians of all races back for decades.
And Americans of all races, for that matter.
Seriously: It’s a quantum leap to go from “some flag-toting crazy white person just killed a bunch of black people” to “let’s expand Medicaid in their memory,” but black lawmakers have made that trip.
Apparently the demonstrated failure of massive government expansions to even remotely improve black people’s lot in life is been completely lost on them.
Meanwhile white lawmakers – the vast majority of whom subscribe to the same big government fiction – are at each other’s throats in the aftermath of the flag coming down. Many who sought to defend what they saw as the south’s sacred honor experienced what they’re saying was less-than-honorable resistance.
“Everybody was lied to – at every step of the process,” one pro-flag white GOP lawmaker told FITS.
Indeed. It’s become increasingly clear to us that the honorable outcome of the flag coming down (which we called for in the immediate aftermath of the Charleston tragedy) was achieved via a perversion of process and a relentless deluge of deception (including eleventh hour lies allegedly told by the self-proclaimed star of the show, S.C. Rep. Jenny Horne).
And while we don’t have buyer’s remorse regarding the flag coming down (it should have never been raised in the first place), the process of getting it down has created unnecessary animosity and discord.
Which is unfortunate …
Obviously we’ll have much, much more to say on all of that, on all the intrigues and intricacies related to this ongoing drama … but the bottom line is this: Addressing the Palmetto State’s problems via pro-liberty, pro-free market solutions (as opposed to throwing more government at them) has likely become immeasurably harder in the last four weeks.
The flag has fallen, as it should have, but the “new South Carolina” everyone keeps talking about will never rise if our state’s good ol’ boy lawmakers (and good ol’ gal governor) continue conducting “business as usual.” Or if they continue living off the land as opposed to improving underlying soil conditions for all citizens.
South Carolina’s leaders cannot continue doing the same thing and expecting different, better outcomes.
More government has failed … in fact this approach has created an economic climate in which people like Dylann Roof are drifting in search of scapegoats rather than working for paychecks.
To fix that, our “new South Carolina” must – by definition – try new things.
Count on us to continue proposing such pro-liberty, pro-free market reforms, and holding accountable those leaders who refuse to embrace them.
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I am profoundly disturbed by the people of my state, South Carolina. Not because the flag came down, but by the absolute inability of people to maintain any sense of decorum at quasi-military ceremony. Chanting inappropriate cadence at the honor guard, cheering during the ceremony, yelling, screaming and clapping. Do you cheer at funerals, do you boo at weddings, because this is on par with that behavior. I guess some people’s families don’t teach them manners and decorum. Regardless of your feelings toward the flag, lots of people died defending it, lots of your friends have families that died defending it, some of you have family that died defending it. Even at the surrender at Appomattox Courthouse after four years of bitter fighting none of the Army cheered. Below is an account from General Joshua Chamberlain who received the formal surrender on the behalf of Ulysses S. Grant.
“On our part not a sound of trumpet, nor a roll of drum; not a cheer nor word, nor whisper of vainglorying, nor motion of man standing again at the order, but an awed stillness rather, a breathholding, as if it were the passing of the dead!”
What I observed today was intentional provocation and gloating which is not appropriate given the circumstances. The only people acting honorably for the majority of this ceremony were the South Carolina Highway Patrol Honor Guard.
consider the source.
The flag was put on the grounds to intimidate Black people and to let them know that while the Civil Rights movement may have been going on in other states, it would not take hold in South Carolina. The flag deserved absolutely no respect from anyone who did not feel like respecting it.
Bull fucking shit! The flag was put on the State House in 1961 to observe the 100th anniversary of the War of Northern Aggression. It was moved to the pole in 2000 as part of a bipartisan biracial compromise. If you can’t act appropriately at a flag raising or lower ceremony you should be arrested for disorderly conduct and booked in to AGDC.
“100 year anniversary” your ass. “War of Northern Aggression” your ass. You started the war and had your ass handed to you in return. Deal with it.
You can sit there and be wrong in your wrongness, but the Union was given ample opportunity to abandon the South and go home.
The War of Northern Aggression, or better named the “War of Lincoln’s Power Grab”, was all about Lincoln growing his power. Why is his power hunger never taught? He was given opportunities to prevent the Civil War from happening but instead chose to use aggression on the Southern states. Make no doubt about it, his sole desire to see the Union whole was directly related to having more power for himself and the Federal government. The Southern states knew this which is why South Carolina seceded soon after he won the election.
And, yes, he was the aggressor. Maj Anderson was given ample opportunities by South Carolina to abandon Fort Sumter. Let it be noted that Maj Anderson garrisoned Fort Sumter contrary to what the then Secretary of War told him. The South declared any attempt to resupply the fort would be seen as a hostile action. What did Lincoln do? He ordered the resupply of the fort. He wanted the Civil War to happen as he knew the only way to power was through force and coercion, something we see ample of today in our current Federal government. Lincoln should not be praised; he should be shown for what he was: a power hungry politician.
The Southern States’ Struggle to Sustain Slavery.
Ah yes Lincoln the White Supremacist, the great savior of the enslaved Africans, who fought valiantly by proxy through his slave owing General Ulysses S. Grant (who didn’t free his slaves until December 1865). to free them from Southern European and African oppression. Let’s take a look at a few of his quotes, because the North was the great white knight come to save the day.
“I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races—that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this, that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”
” My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views.”
“You can tell the President of Hayti that I shan’t tear my shirt if he sends a nigger here!”
Lincoln proposed a constitutional amendment that would “appropriate money, and otherwise provide, for colonizing free colored persons with their own consent, at any place or places without the United States.”
Na Na Na Boo-hoo…I am a pervert and you wish you were one too!
POGO proves how pathetic he is again by spoofing my posting name – or is that you Squishy?
^^^ FAKE “SCBlues”
— no Disqus account. Troll, in all likelyhood, it’s flippy pogo.
Poor loser. Boo-hoo.
Face, you are a liar. Lincoln intentionally started the war..
I love fucking animals-why i mentioned the ‘Bull’!
^^^ FAKE “SCBlues” — no Disqus account. Troll, probably pogo or Squishy.
The South left the union … yankee imperialists invaded the South, comrade.
They are the same low lives that show their asses at commencement exercises.
Hey it isn’t everyday a family member graduates from high school, most of their families are either dead, in jail or hanging out on the street at that age.
There was a bunch of redneck white trash showing their asses there????
No. It was a group of take it down supporters of unknown ethnicity disturbing what should have been a solemn moment for everyone there regardless of what side of the issue they were on.
It was a classless act and it was no different than if a Klansman had ridden in to the middle of the field waving a Confederate Flag.
That’s the difference between me and me Blues. I look at things objectively and actually think that we should be working toward unity not deepening the chasm of division. But the democratic party thrives on racial tension and they have to keep it alive if the party is to survive.
face is delirious . he didnt get the ac installed in his cardboard box
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/sc-raised-confederate-flag-in-1961-to-insult-nine-black-protesters-and-took-it-down-to-honor-nine-slain/
Or not. Raw Story is about as biased a source as can exist. I’ll take The State’s account over that any day.
Hollis remembers the day the Confederate flag was hoisted over the State House to commemorate the war. The centennial kicked off on April 11, 1961, with a re-creation of the firing on Fort Sumter. The flag went up for the opening celebrations.
“The flag is being flown this week at the request of Aiken Rep. John A. May,” reported The State on April 12. May didn’t introduce his resolution until the next legislative session. By the time the resolution passed on March 16, 1962, the flag had been flying for nearly a year. (This explains why the flag is often erroneously reported to have gone up in 1962).
“May told us he was going to introduce a resolution to fly the flag for a year from the capitol. I was against the flag going up,” Hollis said, “but I kept quiet and went along. I didn’t want to get into it with the UDC girls.” The resolution that passed didn’t include a time for the flag to come down and, therefore, “it just stayed up,” Hollis said. “Nobody raised a question.”
Find a credible source and not a biased website.
Bull fucking shit yourself!
The ‘war of northern aggression” -laughable! You lost slavery and your ‘cotton pickin’ empire and now your are losing in the arena of gender equality, health care and gun control. You find a trailer…
It was put there to commemorate the anniversary and left there to oppose the Civil Rights Act. It was moved to memorial in 2000 to honor the Confederate Dead.
The flag was put on the grounds to intimidate Black people and to let them know that while the Civil Rights movement may have been going on in other states, it would not take hold in South Carolina.
You are correct, but that is only part of it. The *Rebel* flag was also put there as a protest against an increasingly intrusive Federal government. You might have noticed that the Civil Rights movement that “was going on in other states” also went on in SC years ago. You might also have noticed that many blacks are now leaving their Yankee utopias and returning to the South.
The Confederacy was wrong about slavery…but right about many other things. Slavery ended in the US 150 years ago. An increasingly large, centralised government is with us today…growing more powerful by the minute. The contemporary Rebel flag stood as a resistance to being ordered around by power hungry *leaders* in government, the media, and academia…which is why it *had* to come down.
TBG, for the record, agrees that the flag should NOT have been put up in 1961…but opposed the 2000 compromise, as well as today’s action.
[TBG prefers “nuanced position” to “pretzel-like logic”, FWIW.]
Tonto, I might have been okay with it going up in ’61, ’65 ’15 for a day or two (as it had through the 1900s) but the “…off the dome and in your face…” move was probably a step to far.
You hit the nail squarely on the head and countersunk that bad boy about the dual meaning of the “Confederate” flag, yeah, there’s the “hate thing” and the “heritage thing” and then there’s the not so subtle “protest against a far to big and intrusive federal gubamint thing”. Maybe we all ought to consider flying Bonnie Blue as a reminder to both our state and federal gubamint that “the era of big gubamint” needs to finally and truly come to an end.
Yeah, that’ll show em. Take that. Great idea from someone who made quite a contribution to (and takes quite a bit away from) the military-industrial-government complex. If maybe “big gubamint” would invest some money in infrastructure and jobs programs, maybe we could start some momentum rolling. But no, ideology and getting reelected by peddling tired worn out right wing cliches seems to be all the voters require.
Rak, you do know that I am and have been a Reservist for most of my career? I don’t take nearly as much away as you’d think. I’m an advocate for dramatic cuts in full time forces in favor of “little r” reserves who are better trained and resourced. I’ve advocated against the major weapons expenditures of late (F-35, Ford Class carrier) in favor of more appropriate, cheaper and more effective weapons (A-10, LCS, M-1 life span) and sound most of my time here decrying the state off our roads, schools and infrastructure (when not swapping war stories).
After 30 years I’m sure the retirement points you’ve earned will earn you enough of a pension that lots of folks would be envious. Of course it can’t compare to a full-time active duty one, but given your rank and 30 years, well those 2 multipliers make a world of difference. When you talk about your positions on specific programs, it’s clear where you stand and what your belief it. When you or anyone make sweeping generalizations about big intrusive gubamint or “welfare”, it sounds like tired, worn out R talking points or tribal rhetoric. It diminishes the experience, intelligence, and critical thinking skills you have clearly worked hard to develop.
I hear you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdphvuyaV_I
Oh climb off your high horse Clyde.
The only thing youre pissed about is that they lowered that goofy flag.
All the rest of your comment is pure BS.
The racist losers lost.
Jesus smiles.
Some racist that hate black people lost.
Some good people that want to honor their history, not slavery or racism, lost also. That includes some blacks.
Some good people that viewed the flag as oppressive won.
Some racists that hate white people won.
Not everyone that lost are united on the issues. Not everyone that won is divided on the issue.
A lot of people never won or lost because they could care less if the flag was on the grounds. They realized that this was not an issue that would solve any of the real problems that face our nation. It certainly hasn’t resolved the racial tensions.
Someone should have been singing Dixie. An appropriate accompaniment to the lowering of our flag. It would have shown respect for those that gave their lives in the war for Southern Independence.
Did you know Dixie was written by a Yankee named Daniel Decatur Emmett? It was a favorite of President Lincoln and he had it played when he received news of Lee’s surrender
Come to think of it, I had heard that somewhere. Thanks for the reminder. But wasn’t it also The Confederate National Anthem ?
Not really, not anymore than there was one official “Confederate flag”.
There is even a story that the “Dixie” the slaves wished the were in was a farm in New York owned by an bad farmer/farm owner named Johann Dixie. The legend goes that Dixie didn’t work his slaves very hard and decided they weren’t worth keeping and had them shipped to Charleston and sold – where they lamented the easy times on Dixie farm…
Never heard that one before. I had always assumed that Dixie was the Nat. Anthem. Oh well. I have always prided myself on having three national anthems, The Star Spangled Banner, Dixie, and Scotland the Brave. You just burst my bubble. LOL
Scotland the Brave is the best of the three but it’s not the official anthem of Scotland, they don’t have one. The Star Spangled Banner uses the tune of an English drinking song and is nearly impossible for a normal dinner to do well. Dixie is still a great song despite the negative PC connotations.
The Star-Spangled Banner is without a doubt our national anthem and it means a lot to me and “Dixie’ is a good rallying tune but as far as “national songs” go, “Waltzing Matilda” has ’em all beat.
The actual national song of Australia is something else but I’ll never forget singing “Waltzing Matilda” with a bunch of Aussies on their equivalent of July 4th while at Al-Udide back in 2003…..They sang their “national song” (which is kind of a la-de-da” rather generic sounding song & I don’t remember its title) first then said “Now we’re going to sing the REAL national anthem” and broke into “Waltzing Matilda” and we joined in because that is one of the songs everyone remembers the words to (at least most “Boomers” like myself do). We did an encore for good measure. It’s something I’ll never forget.
Scotland???
Yeah, that referendum to become an independent nation (a heavily socialist new nation I might add) went over real big didn’t it?
Other dirty little secret was the Scots wanted independence but wanted Great Britain to keep them on “the dole”.
When the Scots realized that GB would not keep them “on the dole” they decided independence was not such a great thing after all.
I’m simply talking songs (tunes in the case of Scotland the Brave), not politics. The Start Spangled Banner still gets to me but it is to damn hats to sing well.
I have no trouble singing “The Star Spangled Banner” now, but I did before I started using a CPAP machine for my sleep apnea. It added two octaves to my range,, one “up” and one “down.” I love that song. I love “Dixie” as well, and enjoy singing it, too.
I know what you are saying but for all around unabashed “national pride” Waltzing Matilda” wins – hands down.
I was at Ali-Al-Salem twice (2002 & 2005) – Aussies weren’t there when I was there (Koreans in 2002 as I recall) but our Operations tents were less than 1 “click” from each other at Al-Udide in 2003-2004. We used to share rides from the Ops Tents to the “chow hall” together. I got to know their Sgt. Major (who was aborigine) pretty well. I’ve got a cool Aussie T-Shirt & digger hat that I treasure.
Aussies are just plain awesome – hard partiers and even harder fighters.
If I wasn’t an American I’d wish I was an Aussie……
The Aussies were at Ali from’08-’10 I think.the truly great thing about their presence was that they ignored Kuwaiti rules about alcohol and had more Fosters oil cans than they could drink. I had an Aussie SGM as my tactics instructor in the infantry officers basic course – he was a tough little bastard and very, very good at small unit operations.
Next up …. The uniforms of the SC State Troopers are the colors of the Confederate Army …. the SC Highway Patrol cars and vehicles, the same. Several law enforcement departments in SC, their uniforms are Confederate Gray. While the sheep and cattles attention is driven to a stupid flag, the rest of the country is going to total shit.
yep, heard that many times………….
I myself was wondering why those shedding tears over the lowering of the Battle flag of the Army or Northern Virginia didn’t break into a chorus of “Dixie” but it appears for all the bluster and bullshit about how much that flag means to SO VERY MANY (according to some on this blog and on talk radio) nobody had the fortitude to do so.
I’m not surprised – a lot of talk and bluster but no action
Most flag SUPPORTERS have JOBS, and don’t want to lose them by being labelled a “racist” because they have a personal opinion contrary to the favored minority. Or they didn’t want to be arrested for being assaulted by flag protestors (as actually happened).
I never used to consider race in my relations to other people, but this mess has forced me to. I don’t feel I can trust black Americans to treat me with the same respect I give them, so I now avoid interacting with them as much as possible. I no longer feel I can trust people I once considered friends. THAT is what has been created.
Nae, none of us southerners had any idea. No way.
Well how come you weren’t there to lead them in a verse???
That’s my point (below):
For all the wailing and gnashing of teeth on this site (and on right wingnut talk radio) it appears only a smattering of Confederate Flag supporters showed up and even less(if ANY)vocally demonstrated their displeasure.
Yeah, some show of devotion and ‘heritage” fer sure…………….
And speaking of decorum, here is how “real South Carolinians” behave when they’re left alone with a computer. http://www.salon.com/2015/07/09/the_true_people_of_south_carolina_deface_nikki_haleys_facebook_wall_with_racist_rants_after_decision_on_confederate_battle_flag_finalized/
Yep, the flag-fellators show their true “colors.”
As did your crowd this morning.
Scoreboard, racist
Why would this be any more honorable or deserving of decorum than, say, the toppling of Saddam’s statue?
You’re exactly what people are talking about.
What if a group had started “Na, na, na,na, hey, hey, goodbye” as Pickney’s body was passing by?
Face it, your group came off as a bunch of classless niggers on national television. I don’t care if you’re white or black, that’s what people across the country are talking about as much as they are about the flag actually coming down.
The haters–the flagellists–got exactly the respect they deserved and in fact far more than they would have showed.
And to quote the GOPgoobers on 1000 topics, “Who cares what the people outside SC think?”
Enjoy some of your own medicine, GOPers.
I HATE america like you. Keep up the good work.We are destroying america.
POGO! POGO! POGO!
Speak the Truth, even if you agree with him on the flag issue you need to call him out for this statement unless you truly agree with him
^^^ FAKE “SCBlues” — no Disqus account. Troll, probably pogo.
That rhetoric is counter productive to the “healing attitude” of those that wished to take the flag down.
I could care less if the flag was on the grounds or not but I will call out those that choose to use racial slurs, gloat, or misrepresent facts. All of those are counterproductive to the issues that face us as a nation. If we allow those things to happen then the removal of the flag has done nothing positive. It has only removed a scab and caused an old wound to bleed.
” I don’t care if you’re white or black . . .”
Horse-fucking-shit. It is all that you think about and all that you talk about.
You’re the one bringing up horse fucking with the bestiality comment in another post. I guess you are surfing porn in one window while posting here? I guess you got all worked up and can’t get sex off of your mind.
“Horse-fucking-shit” … in Squishy’s squishy little brain a horse actually fucking shit could marry that shit AND Squshy’s sister, in the not-too-distant future — and it’s all YOUR fault for hating the sacred flag of Dixie.
Speak D Truth is another pogo Sybil-like alter.
And in your mind that’s exactly what you and your ‘southern way of life’ rackets were singing.
I agree with you on one thing: this is not over. We are just starting: gun control is next. We will also win the ‘cold’ civil war that your brothers started during Reconstruction and kept going during the civil rights era in the 60ies.
Yeah, keep thinking those things. We’ll also be singing Kumbya as our national anthem according to your side. How much did the Occupy Movement accomplish during their attempt to bring back the 1960’s protest movements. The only movements they had were bowel and in the Statehouse flower beds.
Will be a tough few decades for you. Tough being on the wrong side of history.
Comparing the taking down of a flag that should not have been there to begin with to the funeral of a state legislator and minister who has heartless murdered by a terrorist who was obsessed with it as a symbol of hate has got to be one of the most idiotic things you’ve ever said on here.
Because there is such a thing as winning with grace and acting with class.
The one wanting to yell, ” Na na……, take it down, and like phrases weren’t there to witness history. They weren’t there in hopes of improving race relations.
They were there to agitate the situation and to try to ignite a powder keg.
Horseshit.
… is what typically comes out of your mouth.
Typically what goes into yours when you’re doing your bestiality
When you have no facts to offer you result to personal attacks.
SCBlues NEVER has any fact and ALWAYS resorts to name calling, it’s part of being a dyed in the wool democrat.
SC Blues, welcome to my world. I’ve had this asshole pogo harassing me for five years now. A thousand screen names, and most of them will take a shot at me just because I’m here. Lies on top of lies, piled high and deep with lies on top as bitter frosting.
How’ld that work out for the Iraqis?
I talked to a couple people who went to the ceremony today. Their take was that SC came off on national television as a bunch of classless idiots. The group of people who were calling cadence, cheering, trying to stir up the crowd and the final straw for both was the Na, na, hey, hey, goodbye song. They said they were fully expecting to all hell to break loose at that point because people there for the ceremony were getting pissed at the people who were there to gloat and stir up shit. I watched it online and the audio was very clear what was being said in the crowd. Anyone who thinks this is going to bring the two sides together is fooling themselves, because the actions of the past couple days has divided the two sides further and further apart.
I talked to a couple of people who went to the ceremony. They said it was moving and emotional. And you’re one to talk about bringing any sides together – you have been jumping for joy since these nine black folks were murdered.
I think you’re lying, I doubt you ever talk to anyone… who the hell would want to deal with you face-to-face.
I could give a fuck what you think you low-life piece of trash
Again, The hatred accomplishes nothing positive. Seek counseling, get the help that you need and in time you may be invited back to the big table. Until then, Children are better seen and not heard.
You gonna blame that personal attack on POGO, too? Never mind you forgot to log out before you posted it.
Even Judi Gatson commented that there were some “take it down” supporters there that acted inappropriately and against the best interest of improved race relations.
If you can’t admit that there are divisive people on both sides of the issue then you are a barrier to improved race relations.
What about Miriam Carey. Bet you do not even know her unless you look it up
What about Kate Stenile. It is not about race and your Liberal ways. It is about Truth and Justice and under this President he picks and chooses mostly on a racial basis. You are as blinded as 75% of America.
And another thing. We are taking the american flag next and closing churches.Won’t be long before I can marry my son,LEGALLY.Fuck you!
Do you have a desire to marry your son?
And you’re the one above calling people white trash.
POGO! POGO! POGO!
I think you past what you want as an unregistered and then blame POGO so people don’t see your socialist agenda.
You would like that wouldn’t you.
That’s not your only objective is it?
You posted the following as your political objective. That means you have lost credibility as a person and an American. You and Dylan Roof are no different because you have the same objective.
“SCBlues Soft Sigh from Hell • 3 hours ago
I HATE america like you. Keep up the good work.We are destroying America.”
Dude…it’s Pogo posing as her/him….it’s confusing her stances…I can spot it but I’m not sure you’ve been here long enough to catch the cues…
He/she/it wants to make personal attacks devoid of fact or basis then they can dal with it. It can apologize for the untrue insinuations made about me and debate the facts or they can be held accountable for what is attributed to them on this board. The fact that they conduct themselves in such a manner that people would consider the fact that they feel this way speaks volumes about them and the low life person that they are behind that keyboard.
I think you’re missing what I’m saying, but carry on.
He’s not missing it. He’s being his dickish self.
Watch out, he will start threatening you.
Unless they have a Disqus account, they cannot tell the difference.
There are no difficult “clues” to catch. This creep has a Disqus account. So does the real “SCBlues.” He or she can tell which SNs are real and which are fake, easily. Don’t assume this is not pogo or one of the other regular trolls, like Squishy. It’s an old game, not difficult to play, and easy as hell to spot.
“There are no difficult “clues” to catch. This creep has a Disqus account.”
Well, you’d have had to have know she had one to start….I never clicked on her name so other than grammar and positional stances I wouldn’t have known…
You don’t even have to click on it. Just hover over the avatar. Some people assume that because there is a “ghost” avatar, the person doesn’t have a Disqus account. Not so. You can choose to have a “ghost” avatar with a registered Diqus account.
^^^ FAKE “SCBlues” — no Disqus account.
^^^ FAKE “SCBlues”. A troll spoofing her s.n. NO Disqus account, that’s how you can always tell.
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Yeah – you’re “disturbed” – that is obvious. Good grief – get a life.
So you expect the ancestors of those your ancestors enslaved to show respect when a symbol of slavery and hate is brought down that they have despised for generations?
You are a slow learner aren’t you?
Yes. That is clearly the most important aspect of this issue to focus on and give a thumbs up and place at #1 position on this website that, in almost 400 posts, lets folks talk about Scotland the Brave and Waltzing Fucking Matilda and other off-topic BS when the question is “What Now” for our state. Is that your best thinking folks? Sorry, I forgot that this is an income source for Wil and not a real website that examines the issues and challenges for our State.
Moderator: go ahead. Put me at the bottom of 400 posts. Bury me under the stupid shit banter that sounds like the great dialogues about nothing on this subject.
A few thoughts……(with preceding quotes, of course)
(1) In recent flag-related posts we’ve been pointing out (“control c, control v-style”) that South Carolina has serious . . . ”
– Thanks for the shout out. Credit must also be given to Squishy, Colonel, Jackie, Thumper…and many more.
(2) “Everybody was lied to – at every step of the process,” one pro-flag white GOP lawmaker told FITS.”
– Please distinguish this from other communications made to the general public. I’m all ears! Nah, I’m pretty sure it’s settled that we are all lied to–also at every step of the way.
(3) “And while we don’t have buyer’s remorse regarding the flag coming down . . .”
– (yet “we” can’t help ourselves when “we” mention that Nikki has flipped her position on this topic every single chance “we” get…ad nauseam, but “we’re” above that, of course)
(4) “To fix that, our “new South Carolina” must – by definition – try new things.”
– Indeed, sir. We agree! Nice finish
Cheers!
Thank you :)
“…Everybody was lied to – at every step of the process,” one pro-flag white GOP lawmaker told FITS…. the honorable outcome of the flag coming down…was achieved via a perversion of process and a relentless deluge of deception (including eleventh hour lies
allegedlytold by the self-proclaimed star of the show, S.C. Rep. Jenny Horne)…”Some of the freaking idiots in the State House just can’t do the right thing and then shut up. You have to cover your asses in the search for votes – what a bunch of political whores. “…Well I voted against it before I voted for it…”
Cockroaches
My local (R) Rep. is singing from the same “we were lied to” hymnal, but he also was voting in favor of replacing the Battle Flag with the “First
South Carolina Infantry Regiment Flag” or the South Carolina State Flag.
He also supported putting the question of removal on the ballot so everyone would have a chance to weigh in on the decision. If that is the way he wants to do things, why are we paying him a salary and per diem to represent us in Columbia?
NOW:
How did Roof get his gun?
Where did Roof get his racist hate?
The latter has some preliminary answers. The Council of CONSERVATIVE Citizens, and White-Trash Knoll High School (Lexington County, where else?).
I’m curious…how many violent bloody movies which glorify senseless killings did Roof watch? Did he watch Pulp Fiction and Natural Born Killers repeatedly? Was he inspired by the actions and subsequent wall to wall media coverage of the Boston bombers, the Fort Hood shooter, the VA Tech shooter, and James Holmes …the Colorado Batman movie murderer, and the Sandy Hook school murderer? Did he indulge in playing violent video games on a regular basis? Where the hell were is parents and why did he drop out of 9th grade? Clearly this deranged, satanic, and evil person had some very malignant influences in his life…and he alone bears full responsibility for his brutal, murderous actions…not his marginal participation at White Knoll High School where he apparently dropped out after 9th grade…Incidentally, I believe our broken legal system coddles mass murders…Roof should have been hanged weeks ago after he was captured(Maj.Hassan and James Holmes, too)…in my opinion…swift justice would certainly deter would be future murderous vigilantes and mass murders…the appeals process drags out far too long in these cases where video evidence confirms the mass murders’ evil actions…
Uh-huh. He watched a video game – you’re an idiot. Ignore the blatantly obvious and blame it on a video game. Idiot.
Deep and abiding animosity among the manipulated GOP pols would just be frosting on the cake.
On a stormy day–Lightning–Thunder–rain in torrents– I saw a man working on his roof. “What are you doing?!” I shouted. “I’m fixing this big hole,” he said, “the rain is pouring in.”
“Why don’t you fix it when it’s sunny?” I asked.
“Cause it don’t leak then!” He replied.
What is White-Trash Knoll High School doing to try to prevent copy-cat killings?
White Knoll High School is one of the best schools in the state. Storm Roof dropped out in the 10th grade. What does White Knoll High School have to do with the price of slaves on the dock? Storm Roof hasn’t attended there in six years.
Some people are really stretching the limits of their imagination.
Roof’s young friends or acquaintances publicly stated that he changed notably for the worse after he started at that Lexington County school.
And what a dimbulb you must be to misequate academic achievement with social environment.
Oh lordy no… a teenager who’s irrational!!!
Puke is your standard comment. unattractive puke at that.
Co-op program with Eau Claire High School?
I like it. Same with SCSU and The Citadel.
EC — I think that is where Jailbird Jimmy Metts graduated.
Wrong, shit for brains.
What an ongoing dullard you are.
http://www.wistv.com/story/12378616/eau-claire-alumni-assoc-warns-community-of-impersonator
Jake Knotts tried to warn you!
Someone should ask that “descendent of Jefferson Davis” if she had the genealogy or was told this by her grandfather.
https://jeffersondavis.rice.edu/Genealogy.aspx
I can only hope that multiple news agencies are trying to verify her statement.
You folks are pathetic. Get over it – the damn fucking racist flag was taken down from a government building that represents our entire state. I don’t give a fuck if you want to ride up and down the road in your jacked up pick-up – smoking cigarettes and drinking beer with your tatted arm hanging out the window – and flying an oversized flag – have at it.
So you’re okay with legislators lying to make their point. The fat bitch is going to regret making that statement once all of the alligator tears dry up.
Leave to democrat to be upset that someone wants to see a suspicious fact proven. Jefferson Davis only had one child (female) that bore children. It seems that no one was aware of her claim until she said it on the floor. It is highly suspicious that this would not have been public knowledge before. As a politician, She surely would have been a member of civic groups due to her heritage.
Now for the personal attacks you made. Read my posts, I have stated that I could care less if the flag was displayed on State House grounds or not. I have been to the grounds many times and never felt compelled to visit the memorial. I also don’t believe that I need to go to a cemetery to visit my dead relatives. I don’t have a jacked up pick up, I don’t drink, seldom smoke, have never owned a confederate flag, and think tattoos are trashy.
I am a conservative and it is because unlike democrats I have always despised racism. I have never condoned racism. I have never formed or been a member of a racist group. I believe that racism exists among both whites and blacks. Unlike democrats I condemn it equally. I do not use the racism of one race to fuel racism of the other. Unlike democrats I will not switch allegiances to help me maintain control of those groups. I believe in the sanctity of marriage. I believe that it is important that we understand our history and learn from it. Those who ignore their history are bound to repeat it. I believe in personal responsibility. Society is not the blame for the acts of individuals. It can play a role but at the end of the day a persons acts are their own. I believe in fiscal responsibility both for individuals and the government. I do not believe in the socialist society that democrats seek to create. I believe in a hand up not a hand out.
No, this is not a complete list of my values but it is enough to dispel the stereotypical image of me that you tried to create. So go back down to your mothers basement, light another bowl, and rest assured that mommy bought you the puffy cheese snacks not the crunchy ones and if you eat them all don’t worry, mommy has plenty of money left on the EBT card to get you some more.
Oh please! Spare me your crapola! You’re a complete moron if you think I believe any of your shit.
Your mom’s calling you. She said take out the trash and get lost. Her 10:45 appointment is on his way and she knows the whips and chains scare you. but after he pays her ya’ll can smoke the good stuff and mommy can show you what real sex is because it isn’t what you see men pay her for, That’s all business. By the way, She is so proud of you getting elected to VP of NMBLA.
Craw back in your hole you amateur before I embarrass you even more. debate is one thing but you attacked me personally. I can stoop to your level if I have to but I would rather have a civil debate.
U are a vulgar Little creature, aren’t you? You can choose to be pathetic, or you can be born that way. In either instance, I think you are insignificant and not the kind of person that productive people would choose to have in their circles.
I was attacked and I responded. It chose the rules of the fight. I attacked no one until I was attacked.
And you defend someone that has accused others of bestiality. Blues shoes to attack me and others with baseless personal attacks. It can refrain from doing so or be subjected to the same treatment. It chose the field we fight on.
I don’t think even FITS approved of my rebuke of you. My comment seems to be stuck in moderation. Do not ever attack me personally or I will expose you for the idiot you are and I will launch far worse attacks on you. I will fight you on these boards at the level that you choose.
I prefer to have an intellectual debate of the issues that are supported by the facts. You choose to resort to innuendo, emotion, and personal attacks.
I have given you taste of what I am capable of if you make personal attacks. Don’t make me give you a full dose.
Before you cry about it. I am not threatening you with harm to your person. Given that you have a user name, I am not threatening your personal reputation. As for your online reputation as SCBLUES, well it was shot long before I started posting on here.
Do you wear a cape?
Can you summon crows to do your bidding?
Are you a cohort of SCBlues or do you condemn his invitation for you to join him in this quest?
“SCBlues Soft Sigh from Hell • 3 hours ago
I HATE america like you. Keep up the good work.We are destroying America.”
What a clueless doofus.
Do you buy bridges?
Are you avoiding the question?
sometimes but that’s a personal issue
Intellectual debate, my ass. You have a Disqus account, so you can see which is the real “SCBlues” and which is not. You are either in cahoots with the fake one, or you are doing the fake comments yourself, by logging off of Disqus to post them. Oldest trick in the book. “Don’t make me give you a full dose.” Bullshit schoolyard bully tactics. Creep.
Blues chose to make derogatory comments about me as well as accuse others of bestiality. It chose to take the low road and drag the conversation to that level. Given those type of statements I would not be surprised if it posted them while logged off so they could deny it later. I have voiced my opinions in a firm but cordial manner with everyone until I am needlessly attacked by someone that chose to characterize me as something I’m not in an attempt to support their views. When challenged to provide a factual basis for their views they chose to be insulting. I simply chose to show them that if forced I can conduct business at their level and did so in a way to hopefully convince them that they did not really want to do that. It is welcome to return to the debate on a civil level, if they are capable.
Look at the comments Blues has made while on a “logged in” account and ask yourself if this person is deserving of your defense and support.
It seems that FITS won’t post my strong opinions of you so I will try to say it politely.
Grow up. Learn to debate the issues and not make personal attacks. Support your views with facts not with emotion and insults.
Bullshit. FITSNews is not censoring your comments.
It was held in moderation for longer than normal.
SCBLUES Exposed
You posted the following as your political objective. That means you have lost credibility as a person and an American. You and Dylan Roof are no different because you have the same objective.
“SCBlues Soft Sigh from Hell • 3 hours ago
I HATE america like you. Keep up the good work.We are destroying America.”
^^^ A total fabrication. That was not posted by the “SCBlues” who has a Disqus account. It was posted by one of you trolls. Even though you DO have a Discus account, the lies you tell about her and others on here show that you are a troll as well.
What lies have I posted. I did not past anything as Blues. It did attack me and I replied in kind but who else have I lied abut in your opinion?
She and Davis have a common ancestor, like hundreds of thousands of other people (some of whom are kin to me in Horry) have in their lineage.
Post your proof then and clear the confusion but said she was a direct descendant of Jefferson Davis. We all have common ancestors – Adam and Eve ring a bell?
You posted the following as your political objective. That means you have lost credibility as a person and an American. You and Dylan Roof are no different because you have the same objective.
“SCBlues Soft Sigh from Hell • 3 hours ago
I HATE america like you. Keep up the good work.We are destroying America.”
But you do care. You want to run my life, and everyone else’s. But I suspect you have a pathetic little life and are no use to anyone…at least that is what your mindless post would suggest.
As long as the Democrat Party continues to hold its slaves, hate will be a thriving business in this country. When your party is ripped apart limb by limb, then maybe we can begin to heal this nation that you have so recklessly damaged.
Until the country wakes up, and destroys you, as you deserve, the way you are successfully destroying all of us, we will slouch toward our demise.
The most important element of this story is not the flag which is nothing but a peace of cloth that most people could care less about. It is not even the 9 people, fine people by all accounts, that lost their lives in a fit despair and a perverted search for life’s meaning.
The most important element is Dylann Roof. A lonely little “boy” that was improperly raised, educated and disciplined – he appears to be the product of a humanistic family that did not subscribe to any enduring values. He appears to have isolated himself with his computers and his despair brought him to believe that for his life to matter he had to do something incredible (horrible).
The nine people he killed were just an ends to a means. I suspect it was his despair that led him to the belief that those nine souls were not people…but surely it was not a peice of cloth.
Dylann Roof is a symptom of a detached society that thinks TV, IPods and computers can raise a child. His lack of positive male role models meant that he searched in all the wrong placees for friends and family to love, to learn from and to validate his life. He was a little boy looking for important and meaningful attachments that could have been of love, or as we now know, were of hate.
Millions of dollars have been spent to portray the flag as evil, but of course that was just posturing by politicians and fundraisers and the media. The very fact that we could have this useless conversation about the flag shows we have made no progress on race relations.
All things that matter to us are the direct result of humans and their search for love and acceptance. Until we learn that, and decide to stop blaming flags or other symbols, we will not see the cultural harmony we desire.
Dylaan Roof was a racist piece of shit – period. The flag never had any business flying on a government building.
Your comments are a wonder, truly a wonder.
Fortunately for me, you make my ponts far better that I could ever. Your hateful, nonsensical and juvenile comments are insights into a breed of people, both on the right no the left, that are too stupid and arragant to understand basic concepts of civil discourse.
Hey Gerry – whatever – go get a life, Gerry! At least I sign in under one name and only post under one name. I’m guessing you are the same one spoofing my posting name.
Hey, Puke for brains, know it all, partisan hack of a low iq, small dicked little man.
Posting on this website can not make you a man.
Give it up.
Well we all now know what name Grand Tango is using.
LOL You agree with Grand Tango 100% of the time on EVERY issue – he is your twin brother.
And yeah, “we know” as if you speak for anyone other than your racist, inbred self.
Then blame the democrats that put it there. By the way, It hasn’t flown on the building in 15 years and a republican majority took it off the building.
LOL Yeah – all about the Democrats – you’re such a fucking idiot.
OK then. Who do you think put it there?
Research it? Who raised the flag over the dome?
Well said.
You have written what thinking people have been afraid to say in public. The public conversation on this issue and many others has deteriorated to the lowest common denominator. People are shouting, literally and figuratively (like on this blog) at each other, never stopping to think or examine their positions.
Joesph Campbell used to say something to the effect that when a culture talks more than listens, it is doomed. I fear we have doomed the world to the brutal leadership of Russia and China, while we argue over nothing.
Jerry and Max – how many more different names will you post under to get your point across? I will admit there ARE a bunch of dumb fucks that post on this site that will buy it though. Can I suggest some more names? Steve. Lance. Dick. Marco. Ralph.
Max has been my name for 47 years. Don’t use your poor skills of reasoning to lump me in with others.
Has Gerry been your name for 47 years also? Try one of those other ones out that I suggested. LOL
Sorry.I am a pathetic,transgender she/male that is lonely. You can call me Fredrita.
Or could I just call you idiot, loud mouth and no doubt frustrated male suffering from a lack of testosterone, intelligence and a small and simply inadequate penis.
It must be so, otherwise, how could you be so hateful over a blog post?
LOL I definitely have an inadequate penis – you got that right! LOL
^^^ FAKE “SCBlues” — no Disqus account. Just another obnoxious troll spoofing an ID.
I am a social worker and I agree 100%. These young people are looking for love but find drugs, sex, money and hate instead.
My job has become too much to bear and I am lucky that I can retire. We spend a fortune on govt programs and most of them don’t work. We place all sorts or artificial restrictions on adoption and all we do is doom kids to jail or the streets.
Wake up America, support families and love your kids.
Well said! Thank you Jan and Gerry for providing signs of intelligent life in our comment section. LOLz.
I admit I am not the brightest bulb I around, but these regular loudmouths have not posted anything worth reading for months.
Life has a way of twisting and turning so perhaps these loudmouths will tire of this and go back to masturbating in moms bedroom, making way for people of good will and sincere beliefs to return.
The answers Dylann needed were inside that church, if only he would have opened his eyes and heart.
Maybe if he were Catholic he’d find his way in church to molest children.
If there’s so much these people need inside church, why is the crime rate so high for blacks… they spend more time in church than any other race.
Crime rates among church goers are less than non church goers. Surely you could come up will other explanations for the higher crime rates among American blacks.
If you Google “church attendance black crime rates” you will find plenty of research showing a correlation between church attendance and lower crime rates.
Next you’ll say toddlers commit crime at lower rates than teenagers.
What’s the average age of the white church goer… 60?
Sometimes that love and acceptance, that you believe is needed, is best expressed in a symbolic gesture, like removing a flag.
I am not complaining about the flag coming down. That is a meaningless statement designed to placate those dumb enough to think it changed something.
If taking the flag down is meaningless, then putting it up was meaningless. In fact, all ceremonial use of flags is meaningless.
The truth is that if it was meaningless, we wouldn’t be debating the issue. No one would have cried or cheered when it came down. These things you call meaningless, are meaningless to an animal. The fact that symbols are meaningful is what separates humans from the beasts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yDrtNEr_5M
Let’s party like it’s 1865 – dedicate a monument to Unlimited Federal Government Power.
Americans are manipulated so easily. The media and the pols have made bank off the confederate flag issue and we pay the bills.
Who can deny that Nikki haley, Todd Rutherford and Jenny Horne have increased their “value” by trumpeting what the corporate and media classes wanted them to say?
My father worked to have the flag removed years ago. The conversation was the same then as now, except it has degraded till we now believe that flag controlled Dylann and caused him to kill those church goers.
Public servants have a duty to think, act responsibility and solve problems. Sadly, I saw none of that on display over these last three weeks.
What did you see? Dylaan Roof doing the world a service be getting rid of 9 blacks?
That may be the dumbest, most offensive comment ever made on fits. And that is saying a lot.
Mitch – Max – Gerry – Pogo – Flip – Sandi – Etc., Etc., Etc.
Reasonable people saw a deranged racist fool murder 9 people in cold blood. What did you see a flag pulling a trigger?
Before you start calling me a racist (I am scrolling my way down to reply to your previous diatribe toward me), read my other posts. I said I could care less if the flag was on the grounds or not. Before you call me a racist, I have criticized people for racism. So watch your tongue and make sure that you know the about which you speak before you launch your attack.
Boo-hoo!
What did you see?
It always sees racism with no nuance.
Why do you pity me ? what did you see?
I tuned the whole thing out when I saw haley crying. From that point on I knew it was going to be an elementary school debate
-Public servants have a duty to think, act responsibility and solve problems. Sadly, I saw none of that on display over these last three weeks.-
You will see as little of it inside agencies as inside the statehouse on important decisions. Money and position talk, not rational honesty. Look a DHEC’s water division’s 180 degree instant spin on the Savannah River dredging. A scientific decision? Hah!
“Public servants have a duty to think, act responsibility and solve
problems. Sadly, I saw none of that on display over these last three
weeks.”
Public servants have acted in their interests 95% of the time for thousands of years, you’ve just been naive.
Watch Game of Thrones, read the history of Empire Rome, reads the Bible….deep down there’s a minority subculture that knows this…some of whom become “public servants” and others who just try to avoid the whole mess. The rest are pawns.
If you want a ‘New Carolina’ then stop whining about a flag and stop waiting for the ‘forces of the market’ to do something for you.
You need to provide sustainable jobs and a future for the young people of South Carolina and that can only be achieved by
(1) stop gender bashing and leave the LGBT crowd alone- it’s a lost battle
(2) universal health care – it’s a lost battle
(3) support all education and higher education so south carolinian kids can compete with Asian and European kids
Why don’t we just tell them Obama is right and Hillary should be our next President. Maybe Lindsey Graham can then get his transgender surgery.
Support the failed, expensive and unaccountable education system?
No, you lost me at that one.
We are bankrupting ourselves so the gods of education and their cronies can build kingdoms to themselves and make a handsom living …not educating the students.
What is next? Never forget! We must not cast one vote for anyone who voted to take down the Flag! We must send a clear message! We must make our voice heard. If we don’t these cowards will sweep our history from existence. No quarter.
So you will elect a bunch of democrats that will remove all other traces of our civil war history?
It was Democrats who put the Flag up. It was Republicans who took it down. We must not cast one vote for anyone who voted to take down the Flag.
There are also plenty of democrats that, if given control of government, will vote to remove other memorials, rename other institutions, increase spending, refuse to hold SC State accountable, accept Obmacare money and the requirements that come with it, and spend this state into oblivion ruining our credit rating.
The flag is gone from the grounds, it will not return, what else are you prepared to lose? Do you continue attacking windmills or do accept defeat of this battle and refocus on the rest of the war?
So let them do that, it will only hasten the end that is coming anyway… why delay the obvious? I mean in all seriousness, most of my ilk is better prepared for the end than the Dem’s crowd,
So the world is ending because the Confederate Flag no longer waves on the State House Grounds?
I admire your passion for the issue but aren’t you being a little melodramatic?
Or are you being a pessimist that believes that we are doomed beyond saving so we might as do whatever we can to bring about the end of mankind as soon as possible?
If you feel that we are doomed beyond saving, do you think we are doomed because the flag was removed or were we doomed before that?
If we were doomed before that and you think that removing the flag was a bad thing then shouldn’t you support the removing the flag? After all, It will on help hasten the end that you seem to want to get here tomorrow.
I tend to think he is talking about the 18.3 trillion dollar debt that will eventually come due.
So he will vote democrat over the flag issue so democrats can increase spending and hasten the end of the country? Now, That’s a strategy.
Excellent! Shoot your officers! We will applaud you.
(Lordy lordy I hope they persist and succeed in this.)
You post, continuously, some sort of constant, childish puke. I suppose it is a sickness of some sort. Maybe there is a cure. Doubt it though as it surely must run in the family.
After all their gloating over problems in black culture in America (despite that had nothing at all to do with the flag), let’s see if these flag-mourning GOPer “patriots” want to do something to improve school funding in minority-“rich” rural school systems. Rather than only build and staff fine new schools where politically-connected developers want to build new upscale developments for white-flighters. Or improve roads where people live rather than to where said developers want to build same.
Make your bets on same-ol’-same-ol’ from the mouth-work-only GOPers.
You do realize that these schools must be built in areas that industry wishes to locate at? Businesses select locations, the government creates infrastructure, businesses locate her and create jobs. jobs create revenue for individuals and for the government.
There are programs to try to get teachers to move to rural, impoverished areas to teach.
How involved are the parents on the education of their children in rural areas compared to suburban areas? Do they assist their kids with homework? Do they make sure that the kids are attending school and benefitting from the education that they are offered?
I am in favor of each county having a county wide school district instead of multiple districts. This would eliminate a lot of administrative costs that could be redirected toward the classroom. It may also help distribute funds more evenly throughout a county. If state money were allocated equally then county governments could opt to raise property taxes to fund educational programs in the county as a whole instead of by district. At the same time, I believe that the people that put more in should get more out, to do otherwise is to travel a road toward socialism. Why should I be penalized for making the most out of my educational opportunity when others that were provided the same opportunity to 12 years of education that I was squandered theirs?
Those are just worn out talking points. They equal “the white man short changes us.”
There are many examples of black school districts that spend lots of money (state and federal subsidies) and get crap in return. Fairfield county is prime example of lots of money and no accountability, and terrible results.
Structural change is needed in the school system. Simply spending more money perpetuates the status quo.
If you actually cared about black people you world demand change. But politically charged talking points are easier.
See, same ol’ same ol’.
“problems in black culture in America”
Now tell me, whose policies of forced integration and affirmative action have caused and propagated these problems you speak of?
None of these posts seem to deal with the original question, “Now what?” Perhaps this is an opportunity for the religious community to shine and religious leaders to lead. What about creating some forums in which the races can begin to better understand each other. What about churches partnering with other churches of another race and having joint services on the first Sunday of every month? We do not progress with all this rancor and conflict. It takes us nowhere and exacerbates the problem. We must get to know each other better and this is one way to help accomplish that. I would love to hear of other proposals from posters here on ways to accomplish this.
Didn’t Dr. King say Sunday morning was the most segregated time of the week?
It looks like it would be a huge effort to get that realm from so far back to out in front.
Yes, king did say that. In 1963.
My church is integrated. My neighborhood is integrated. My workplace is integrated.
Our problem is not that we don’t understand each other, it is that many people make lots of money in exploiting racial distrust. From the left, the right and the corporate center, massive amounts of money, power and prestige are aggregated by the cynical and the manipulative.
Until we throw down those people, entities and organizations, we will be hostage to relics like the flag.
“many people make lots of money in exploiting racial distrust”
It is exactly how conservatives have ruled the south since the late 1800s.
God, how predictable you are.
You win, I can’t stand it anymore. I am off to be productive while you keep killing universal karma by just being you…and transmitting through the net to pollute the planet.
You are the real global warming source.
I suppose much looks the same to dullards as you.
This had begun before the murders. Some churches have biracial congregations. It is still rare but becoming more common. It is a move toward voluntary segregation. These types of acts are much more accepted when they occur as a voluntary act instead of a forced one. Bi-racial relationship, marriages and children have become more common in recent years. People have accepted those changes with little or no fanfare. Gay marriage was forced on people by the liberal courts. That has been anything but a calm occurrence. If history has taught us anything it is that change does not happen overnight. It occurs over time and the strike of a pen in an effort to hasten change can often do more to slow it down than speed it up.
[ NOW WHAT? ] — I call down all of the ancient Plagues of the Pharaohs on everyone who acted disgracefully during this episode … and that includes their future generations, if any.
I’m not sure that we could tell a plague of frogs from some of the more primitive posters.
His third grade teacher was asking the GrandTurnip this — “If a number of cattle is called a herd, and a number of sheep is a flock, what would a number of camels be called?” He replied, “It’s a carton!”
The gears that allow GrandTurnip’s brain to function were set when he entered first grade. He came home from school and complained to his mother that the other kids laughed at his
name and called him stupid. His mother bought him a wrist watch and explained how it worked. “When you look at it you see the time it is now, and when you push this little button you can see what time it was at this exact time yesterday.”
Grand Turnip reminds me of a guy I remember from CCGOP – I think his name was John. Low on IQ, big on hate.
Maybe that explains his disdain for those mothers who do care about their children, that he wants to call “dead beat” mothers. His mother couldn’t help him, but seems she tried — bless her heart.
A woman had been set up on a blind date with the GrandTango, and wanting to impress him had offered to treat him to dinner at the nicest restaurant in Columbia.
She watched him have his soup with the wrong spoon, grasp the utensils with the wrong fingers, eat the main course with his hands and pour coffee into the saucer and blow on it.
“Hasn’t watching your mother and father at the dinner table taught you anything?” she asked.
“Yeah,” said GrandTango, “Never to get married.”
LOL and maybe never reproduce?
I should make a master list of plague – wonder how many there were?
Did that childish remark may you feel in anyway superior? Do you think it will change the hearts or minds or those you detest? Do you think it made you look clever?
Obviously, your remark was the whimper of the impotent, the sigh of the miserable, and perhaps the gurgle of a small minded man drowning in his on intellectual waste.
Now let’s take down the USA flag.
Many folks are murdered each day around the globe “for your freedom.”
We send USA drones to weddings … got to love all those dead women and children “terrorists.”
It is no small task we face. Civilizing and developing a Third-Worldish redneckistan with very backward hinterlands and a large marginalized easily-recognizable minority. Maybe Iran or Pakistan or Turkey or India can give us some advice and guidance from their experiences. Though not a small portion of our white city/town/suburban population more resemble Serbs.
Puke
“Puke” is what the pro-slavery paleo-GOPers were called in the midwest.
Can’t you home schoolers get anything right in historical context?
You speak of historical context while you rewrite it to indicate that it was republicans and not democrats that loved slavery?
Simply hateful
Will the real Max please stand up.
You are half way there. You have pointed out hindrances on one side of the issue now point out the attitudes on the other side of the issue that cause hindrances. You cannot solve a problem unless you assess all of the causes and look for a solution that solves them all.
This is a typical ploy in such arenas. “WE can be fanatically biased and one sided, but YOU must be balanced and impartial.”
Nope, has to be the same ground rules for all.
What would be far more interesting in a group of smart informed honest*–even if strongly opinionated–persons of both races and many occupations would be, “Enumerate and describe specifically what YOUR group needs to do or change to make things better, to improve South Carolina.”
*i.e., not here
Yet you neglect to state the barriers that would prevent the other side of the issue from engaging in a productive discussion of the issues. More sidestepping.
Oh my goodness, in four+ lines I didn’t describe ever aspect of a complicated subject!
What a clueless doof.
You only refer to minorities as marginalized which tends to place them on the role of the victim. While you characterize the white majority as having created a “Third-Worldish redneckistan.” Both races have that that possess thoughts, ideologies, and desires to set aside racial differences and exist as one instead of coexisting. Both sides also have persons that believe one rave should be held over the other one. Your original post paints the white race as being devoted to superiority and the black race as a victim. You’re post paints a slanted picture that fosters divisiveness.
The task of moving forward in any citizen-driven way is made extremely difficult by the near impossibility of conducting frank honest open on-topic discussions. Each of these adjectives has a lot of subtopics and a lot more adjectives could be used.
Discussions tend to be by committees of well-meaning but namby-pamby feel-good types (e.g., preachers, teachers) or mobs of agitated loud-mouth know-it-all dullards (look around). For as bad as they are, there may be more hope in legislative subcommittees or carefully appointed technical committees and government action.
“For as bad as they are, there may be more hope in legislative
subcommittees or carefully appointed technical committees and government
action.”
Hope in government action?
Don’t let reality stand in the way of your agenda chief. If you shut your eyes tight enough and click your heels it’ll all be just a bad dream.
II don’t expect home schoolers to catch nuanced meaning, or even to read with comprehension.
But I’ll givee you a hint. The near hopelessness of one route can raise the RELATIVE potential off another, even if absolutely low.
Soft sigh = hate.
max = dolt
Now what? Nothing.
This website got the biggest shot to its hit count since Sanford cheated. Now you’re back to posting pix of sluts to draw comments from trashy, lecherous low-lifes, who admire you.
Aside from that, the fight against the continual evil and corruption of our culture by the Democrat Party will go on.
While the Democrats are patting themselves on the back for exploiting the deaths of 9 Christians, they are oblivious to the fact that we all see you for exactly what you are.
This Confederate flag exploitation just reveled you more for who you are. It will NEVER pay off in anything substantial, as you are praying it will.
Still SUCKS to be a Democrat. And you are still what you were before. You learned nothing, except that being vermin will get you the spotlight occasionally.
“…back to posting pix of sluts to draw comments from trashy, lecherous low-lifes…”
Is that a bad thing? I mean, yeah, of course it is…
The Democrat-ization of our society has done nothing but degrade women and put more of them in danger and in poverty. But I’m sure leftwing perverts like you don’t care, as long as you use girls, and get your jerk-off on. Empowering women keeps you, and the creeps like you, from having to be real man.
“…leftwing perverts like you…”
That is pure awesomeness, that! You keep babbling on with the neo-feminist drivel you big ball of hipness! I bask in the glow of your pseudo-intellectual superiority!
If you have to ask if exploiting women is: “a bad thing?” You are a pervert. So don’t don’t try to deflect from what you have openly admitted to being. Most all of the followers and believers of FITSNews are pervertish types, just as the site’s founder has revealed himself to be.
I fully realize that sarcasm is *totally* lost on humorless trolls, but your self-righteous and self-imporatnt moralizing is still pretty entertaining to watch!
You’re a liberal, or at least you promote the Bullshit they peddle, because they can manipulate the lesser intellects.
And you’re attacking someone else for moralizing?
You slimy assholes are the most preachy, demanding pricks out there. It’s just that your “moral” dictates are based in hate, Godlessness and debauchery. But you are a religion – full of commandments – albeit a false religion. How else could you keep selling your lies after your repeated failures?
All because I made a joke about scantily ad women. You must be related to GT! Rock on, nutjob…rock on.
Good Morning Big T;
How’s the blogging business?
I hear Big T is making more money now, than ever. He’s one of the few to spit in Obama’s face, and rise above this miserable economy, thank God. Success (especially perseverance-based success) is the BEST revenge. And it pisses off the liberals. That’s EXTRA gravy. (:
South Carolina once was accused of being a state of inbreds. At the time I thought it was a lie. If mixing genes cause this as some subscribe I now believe it to be true.
We certainly are not a smart state nor is any state in the nation. Folks have Tunnel Vision and the inability to find the truth. Our nation is on a downward spiral that it will never recover from and it has nothing to do with a Flag!
FITSNews is great at stirring up a shit storm. I’m really interested in seeing how well he can calm a storm. If ever there was a time to do the right thing, the time is now.
ShitStorms pay the bills, why on the Earth would he want to calm that down. Wait until the political fallout from this flag debate hits. It will make the “flag drama” look like two kindergartners fighting over a cookie.
Everyone has a limit. Everyone has their own personal threshold of right and wrong. We’ll see where his rests. There are easier ways to pay the bills. That will be very telling for those of us who care.
Diversity+Proximity=War
Multiculturalism is genocide
First FITSNews benefits lavishly, celebrating with the liberals, the murdering of 9 Christians, that “MATTER” in accordance with the political class of elites and media.
Those victims are the most fortunate thing to happen to the Democrat Party since Obama destroyed our healthcare system.
Now FITSNews jumps on the other side and attacks the same dirty leftwing opportunists who used the corpses to forward their hate and greed, just like he did.
He’s not stupid for doing it, but his followers are the standard idiot fare that is responsible for the mess the Democrats have placed this country in.
God help us. Only He can at this point.
Anarchist play both sides, because they value nothing but themselves. Don’t paint all libertarians as Anarchists.
Healing starts one person at a time – individuals – who help each other. The healing starts with us. Regardless of what ink is splattered in these articles.
The only bonafide healing is ridding this country of the power imposed on us from liberals and the Democrat Party.
The few Libertarians that understand that, are a benefit. But the growth in their numbers, if there is any, has come from incorporation of the idea that “it’s both parties” that have damaged our nation. When in fact it’s the Democrats and liberals who hate us, and want our downfall.
Libertarians, unless they vote “R,” are just wasted votes used to diminish the strength of the Republican Party. It’s why liberals LOVE Libertarians.
I know many libertarians that vote Republican. The ones that don’t and won’t ever? They are your Big “L” Libertarians, which are Anarchist.
Something I am starting to notice about this website – while articles about race, sex, gender – you name it – are published, with a caveat of “we don’t really care, but…”
I am forming the opinion this website is not for equality. Certainly does not like women – tears are mocked, as is having a heart. I struggle to see anything good about anyone who does not support Anarchist views.
I share some libertarian views, but not this radical crap I am seeing splashed day after day. One day we argue to take the flag down, once that has been accomplished, time to attack all those who played any significant role, ESPECIALLY women.
What gives?
There is some doubt about her claim to de a descendant of Jefferson Davis because that wasn’t public knowledge beforehand. He claim needs to be verified. If it is a lie then her tears were false. A lot of people have already concluded that she lied. I am skeptical but reserve judgment until proof has been provided on way or the other.
I am a woman and I can spy fake tears a mile away. She may have been mistaken about her heritage, but things like that are very hard to prove. Especially given the time frame. Her claim that she was a descendant of Jefferson Davis, was likely passed on to her by family or Ancestry.com – who knows. What I saw saw someone who believed it.
There is no doubt in my mind, as one woman, looking at another, she was genuine. If she could fake that public display, she’d make millions in Hollywood. Truth is, she probably became so emotional, horribly regretted it, felt like an idiot for speaking her mind — until people listened.
Genealogy for the descendants of Jefferson Davis should not be difficult. He only had one child (a daughter) that had children. A lot of the early genealogy from Davis has been preserved. It was known during his lifetime that he was going to be remembered by history. That is why Beauvoir has been preserved.
I see six children?
http://civilwartalk.com/threads/children-of-jefferson-davis.21573/
Research further and you will see that only one had children. At least one died as a child and another at age 21.
do you have a source? Everything I see pull up shows more than one?
Someone had a post on another thread that linked to it. I will see what I can find.
Thanks. I’ve been looking for it and I see many articles, but I don’t find any that say there was only one child. It is possible there were also brothers/sisters, yet even that is in dispute. So given the facts I can dig up, I can see how everyone might feel they are a descendant, but I do appreciate any light you can shed.
I read earlier where only one of his children had kids and she had 5 children. Siblings of Jefferson Davis would not qualify as direct descendants of Jefferson Davis.
About 3/4 of the way down this article it mentions a family heritage association for members of the family. If someone wants to contact them they could tell you.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2011-04-07-civil-war-anniversary-ancestors_N.htm
So my question based on all the “facts” that she is not a descendant. Has anyone contacted them? Who did they talk to? What is their guidelines to be a descendant? You see how tricky this can get?
Given the time frame, probably not that difficult to determine, what becomes difficult is where the lines are drawn. What exactly does the term descendant mean? I am sure there are some puritans who go the direct bloodline way, but there are also some who may be related in another way.
This is a far fetched example, but I’ve a long held belief that family is what you make it. Sometimes you have to carve out a family and make it your own. I cannot pretend to know her mind, I just saw the video and there was “something” promoting that emotional outburst.
Maybe she got the facts wrong? Maybe they were a descendant of her husband? I really don’t know, but before we find the facts, I still hold that “innocent til proven guilty”
For the record, I didn’t even know Jenny Horne existed until her speech.
A direct descendant would be the child of a child of a child……. directly descended from Davis. She would not share a spouses bloodline but her children would.
I am not presenting evidence either way that she is/is not a direct descendant. I am skeptical of her claims and have withheld judgment until facts are presented.
I have posted what I have found online and that is part of what makes me skeptical but I’m still not convinces either way.
I’m pretty sure Folks will try to get to the bottom of it. If he broke the story that she lied he would get national acclaim for it.
She never said a “direct” descendant: http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/09/us/south-carolina-jenny-horne-speech/index.html
Try this article:
http://kerfuffles.blogspot.com/2015/07/is-jenny-horne-descendant-of-jeff-davis.html
Notice the article is based on a “hunch” – it also states her as saying exactly what the video did, no claim as a direct descendant:
“I am a descendant of Jefferson Davis, okay? But that does not matter. It’s not about Jenny Horne. It’s about the people of South Carolina who have demanded that this symbol of hate come off the statehouse grounds.”
IMHO, The only descendant of Davis would be through his children and his children’s opinion. If you are a descendant of his siblings then you are a descendant of his parents but not him. Can you trace your lineage back through a child of a child of Davis?
Now what? Do something constructive to move this country forward. A “Big Ideas” poll commissioned by the Progressive Change Institute of 1500 likely 2016 voters (over 25% polled by cell phone). Per cent who supported each idea.
Allow Government to Negotiate Drug Prices (79%)
Give Students the Same Low Interest Rates as Big Banks (78%)
Universal Pre-Kindergarten (77%)
Fair Trade that Protect Workers, the Environment, and Jobs (75%)
End Tax Loopholes for Corporations that Ship Jobs Overseas (74%)
End Gerrymandering (73%)
Let Homeowners Pay Down Mortgage With 401k (72%)
Debt-Free College at All Public Universities (Message A) (71%)
Infrastructure Jobs Program — $400 Billion / Year (71%)
Require NSA to Get Warrants (71%)
Disclose Corporate Spending on Politics/Lobbying (71%)
Medicare Buy-In for All (71%)
Close Offshore Corporate Tax Loopholes (70%)
Green New Deal — Millions Of Clean-Energy Jobs (70%)
Full Employment Act (70%)
Expand Social Security Benefits (70%)
You forgot to tell us that the respondents were residents of 1950 USSR. And they have embraced capitalism to rave reviews, since Communism has been deadly to millions and a miserable failure, everywhere it has been implemented.
I didn’t forget to tell you anything. Current self-ID as both D and R and I voters. Check it yourself Mr McCarthy
Let me make sure I have this straight: Sen. Graham has been called everything from Homosexual (albeit STRONG hints) to a war hawk, to a man who cried (and was applauded that he does have a heart) over Joe Biden’s son. All over the board articles.
Next there is the battle cry to take down the confederate flag, which this site promoted and I agreed. But…a woman’s tears brought down the flag and now she is degraded because she did do the right thing, but was emotional (not unlike Graham who was applauded).
This site is clearly biased when it comes to women. I guess we should all stay at home and pop out baby after baby and know our place, otherwise, we are a dead beat mom, while Daddy splashes ink everywhere to degrade women.
Might explain why most of the comments on this site are mostly male. No smart women is buying this crap, for long.
“A man can tell a thousand liesI’ve learned my lesson well
Hope I live to tell
The secret I have learned
‘Til then
It will burn inside of me
The truth is never far behind
You kept it hidden well
If I live to tell
The secret I knew then
Will I ever have the chance again”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3qB5RwPQAA
“most of the comment[er]s on this site are mostly male”
Or at least middling, or lean that way anyway, or would have you believe so.
Though there is often a strong whiff of petunia. .
Yes – I am petunia….LOL
Graham has been known to be homosexual since he was in school. His friend has also been known to be gay for a long time. Given to current political climate and the fact that he is running for President, Graham should come out. He is polling so low in the polls that it couldn’t hurt him and may help him with “one interest” voters. It would cause him to gain a lot of support from other Log Cabin Republicans and democrats would not be as likely to attack him if he rises far enough in the polls. The fact that everybody knows and he still denies it creates credibility issues. My problem with Graham is connection to McCain forming a coalition that sold out the republicans several years ago by siding with the democrats.
I do not deny Graham has issues, but his sexual preference is the least of my concern — though based on what I have read of him, that he had to raise his sister and family hardships, I can see why he might be called a homosexual. I’m not saying there isn’t any merit to that claim, I am simply stating, I have a friend in his late 50’s is “may” get married soon for the very first time. Was he a homosexual? No. He just had life choices to make, family hardship played into them.
Whether Graham is or isn’t gay (or whatever term one wants to use) is of no concern to me. I disagree with him on military policy. Having said that — why was it popular for Graham to cry and when Horne did — it was coined political gain.
This site, in my personal opinion, does not value nor promote equality. Not any race, and especially not women.
Women are tools to be used for click bait. Show some boobs, get sassy, splash bedroom eyes and degrade yourself for the sake of FITSNews. Deny that is true?
Part of the reaction to her tears was the perception that she is not being honest about being a direct descendant of Davis. The other part is that it was a torpedo to the “Keep it up crowd.” Their doubt of her truthfulness and sincerity combined with the effect it had on the debate will cause some ridicule.
As I have said before, I am skeptical but reserve judgment.
All things equal, I think a man is more likely to get ridiculed than a woman for crying unless the sincerity is questioned.
Is they why we had the “….tears won…” article? :). I am a bit of a feminist. I feel women are every bit as capable in all cases, more in some, and less in others. We all play a role, but I will not accept a seat in the corner simply because I am a woman. Nor do I think anyone should for any reason.
Yes
No. Not in my opinion, but I look forward to your link.
This is a link that names the grandchildren.
http://jeffersondavis.rice.edu/Grandchildren.aspx
“known” by whom? What is your objective proof?
I grew up around his family.
Hurrah! South Carolina is AVERAGE! Gallup Poll ranking states on well being puts SC at 21 to 30. FITS is always telling us we’re the worst or at the bottom. Well guess what? “IT’S AN AVERAGE DAY IN SOUTH CAROLINA.”
http://www.well-beingindex.com/alaska-leads-u.s.-states-in-well-being-for-first-time
http://www.thestandardrecord.com/10-miserable-states/1/
Next stop- Tillman Hall. Clemson U.
I would hope that the cleansing of history has stopped but if something was to be removed it should be Tillman. I would rather see proper plagues be erected that defined him for the racist he was instead of honoring and glorifying him. Without repeal of the 2015 law that moved the flag, I think it would take a 2/3 vote to remove/rename anything on state property.
Plagues? Is this Egypt? Are you Moses?
plaque
[ plak ]
NOUN
noun: plaque · plural noun: plaques
an ornamental tablet, typically of metal, porcelain, or wood, that is fixed to a wall or other surface in commemoration of a person or event.
Plague is a deadly infectious disease that is caused by the enterobacteria Yersinia pestis, named after the French-Swiss bacteriologist Alexandre Yersin.
Back in your hole troll. Do your research before you expose your ignorance.
CNN INTERVIEW OF HALEY
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/10/politics/nikki-haley-confederate-flag-south-carolina/
“Had it not been for the governor saying she was supportive of this, I don’t think we would have been at the ceremony we were at today,” said Jaime Harrison, who chairs the state’s Democratic Party. “I know people say it was political, but she did what was right and for that I can’t be mad at her. I’m very appreciative of her.”
Haley = Indian, immigrant lickspittle. She loathes her constituents. Partisan politics merely gives you the choice of how many white people you want to put on the train and send to the oven.
Good Grief – do you really think that way? What kind of messed up world have you lived in to even say such things? You might want to ban yourself from FITSNews, you are drinking the poison that is typically reserved for those of low I/E Q. Not saying you are….but.
Lint head = soft sigh.
Sicko. Arragant. Boring.
Nope. Not a chance. It is GOPers who hate Haley.
GOPers do not hate Haley.
Nearly everyone who hates her is a GOPer, though some are too embarrassed to admit it and claim libertarian.
They keep voting her in – they do like her.
Nearly all who hate her are GOP voters.
Not true. She isn’t winning SC on a Republican ticket because Republicans hate her. She has appeal across the board because she is fair and everyone sees the numbers. Love her, hate her — she is a damn good Governor.
If she ever goes national and there is ever any question about her integrity — I’ll be one of the first to help combat that stench of bitterness. I know the game(s). I know what it is like to be a woman with a brain in this state. I have worked with contractors I know more about the job than they do — yet claim arrogance when I question a fact I know the answer to. SC is not only racist it is full of males who think they know everything, but many are too lazy to implement a damn thing.
Behind every successful man is a strong woman, behind every successful woman is a strong man. You can apply that however you want across the transgender, same sex lines — but I guarantee you, both are strong, if they survive in this world.
I assume you want to know how I vote, since you keep bringing up GOP. I typically vote Republican. I broke party line twice since I was old enough to vote. I only wish I could vote for her next time.
Michael Haley is a crude, drunken piece of dung. He could never keep a job till she became governor and got him a do nothing position which they have milked for everything it is worth.
Dung, walking talking dung!
No more.She couldn’t be elected in SC again. The affair with Folks makes her untouchable even if she is a RINO Boehner likes.
Meant makes her untouchable ‘nationally’ as a candidate.
Soft does hate haley and soft has a projection problem. He does not actually listen to people or experience life. He simply projects his frustrated experience onto each and everyone of us.
When I behold the racist vermin who hate Haley, I like her more and more.
Conservatives do.She is a Democrat like Boehner.
I looked it up. Boehner is listed as a Republican.
I know John. He is a RINO. Only a Republican when drinking and raising money.
She sure as hell took the issue the left thought would propel them, and kicked their asses with it. And the Democrats are so damn stupid, they still don’t know she screwed them, with their help.
She took a nothing matter, and helped herself, and the GOP, tremendously.
I’m not sold at all all on Haley, but I love seeing her thump the Democrat Party like that. She used their tactics, to punk them. (:
“helped herself, and the GOP, tremendously.”
I think she helped the state, too.
Let me say, I don’t always agree with Haley. I never agree with any politician all the time. Anyone who does is (…..) others can fill in the blank.
She has been a good Governor. My biggest gripe with her has to do with endorsements, but that has nothing to do with her job, so I digress.
As a Governor, especially SC, I can imagine no one better! She will be missed when someone worse takes her spot – which is almost anyone who might.
She has leaned too far leftward as of late, trying to position herself for national office. Even this site has praised her some. And it usually only like Democrats or Libertarians when they do Democrat things.
And when you consider how poorly GOP centrists do nationally, I don’t think that is the correct calculation, especially with the backlash that Obama has spawned against socialist, leftist government.
In-state, Haley has been right on jobs (anti-Union) and attracting industry, she is for-established marriage, pro-voter integrity, anti- Gay propaganda in public colleges, and pro-charter-private schools. But she will be remembered for her moves later. I don’t think that helps her as she (or her handlers) are speculating it will. But we’ll see.
She may have squandered her opportunities to appease people who will hate her, not matter what.
Too far leftward? This site has praised her — Is this a joke?
First, she was too far right, next she didn’t stand for anything, now she is too far left?
I stand with those who are sick of divisive politics. At one time she was a party to divisive politics – she listened too much to the Tea Party. I am glad she moved back center right.
There are plenty of haters and some of those had fat cushy jobs on her original campaign – I wonder if she even knows. She beat them. She is a fighter and I will stand with her. I am proud of her accomplishments.
You’re complaining about “divisive politics.”
Barack Obama is the MOST Hateful president in the history of our nation. He wanted to JAIL his political enemies. He punished the people he hates with the IURS.
The GOP needs to send up an equal contender. And Republicans win big. Trump is showing the GOP how to get popular real quick. And it’s scaring the shit out of the media, the Democrat Party, and the RINO-leftward Republicans. I thank Trump for that.
The next president must VICIOUSLY attack the left with such a force it knocks the fucking shit out of you. You’ve become pompous and you believe everybody wants the Bullshit your leftwing courts and Obama has executive ordered on us. You’re sadly mistaken.
Barack Obama knew how to rally his base – keep that in mind.
And when that base votes multiple times, that IS very important.
Not to mention, Obama’s skin color, and his skin color alone, was the rallying point for the Democrat Base, and a lot of gullible moderates who believed the post-racial harmony Bullshit Obama promised.
Hillary will NEVER get the multiple voters in the numbers she needs. And unless the GOP is still set on suicide, it will not trot out another timid moderate.
Hillary is repulsive to all, except the most ignorant, and dogmatic liberal. She faces an up-hill (no pun0 battle.
Let us also thank the dumb GOPer flag-idolaters who buried any real arguments for the flag under their avalanche of dimwitted “Yankee traders, African Arabs, Jefferson, Washington, northern slaves, American flag, Bonnie Blue, black crime, Baltimore, blah, blah.”
More puke and hate from soft.
Try harder. Be funnier.
I do not consider u much of a judge of these things. I consider u a pathetic little sad man. You seem lonely…you spend too much time on your mom’s computer.
Talk about your time-worn cliches… This dude is stuck in the 80’s.
Get new material.
Now What? We point out the inconsistencies and imbalance of FITSNews. That should take us through a couple months. Let’s focus in on the women who have been trashed via this site. The ones who were here, who left, and those who still comment.
Ut Oh….I may be the last woman here? If you are a female and proud to be, feel you contribute to society and don’t need to show your boobs to prove it. Comment below.
This should be interesting….
Taylor already showed us her Boobs. It’s going to take some work to out class those sweater puppies. Nippleage will be required in the pics for sure.
https://www.fitsnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Bikini-Body-2010-2015.1.jpg
Nothing you wouldn’t see at a beach. I’m sure you guys would love to tear her down. Taylor was right to find greener grass, those who wouldn’t exploit her for personal/political gain.
To be quite honest, I felt sorry for her. She is young and prone to the media games, but she isn’t that dumb. Go Taylor Go!
Fits has made secret that he is unfair and unbalanced. It’s his motto. He happens to be pretty good at digging up the dirt and exposing government corruption. His name a household over CDV Charges (I think, he will correct me if I’m wrong and no harm was meant) and accusations of an affair with the Governor. This site wasn’t founded by a saint.
Unfair and Imbalanced – I expect more, even from a site that claims such a tagline. Digging up dirt and exposing corruption … or fabricating?
Some things have proven to have traction. Some have raised suspicion and led to the belief that there was smoke even though you couldn’t see the fire. Some are so outrageous that they leave you laughing and shaking your head.
And some so damaging, some so hateful — they make an effort to destroy real lives.
Hey – I get it. Bitterness knows no bounds. There has been a time that I felt so sorry for Will Folks based on what I read, looking at early pictures, piecing it all together. Seeing his beautiful family. His hard work. All those things I appreciate.
I don’t have one ounce of respect for using others for political benefit. I do respect accurate reporting. I do respect difference of opinions, I am glad we can all vent on this site.
There comes a time when you have to take a stand….where do you stand?
I believe in treating people with respect but have no problem responding in kind when they make baseless claims or insults toward me.
I want accurate reporting that documents the facts and assigns blame where it is due.
I prefer to reserve judgment until all of the facts are in.
I despise revisionist history.
I abhor slavery.
I stand firmly behind my beliefs and strongly advocate for my points of view but I will change/modify my views if you can make an argument that sways my opinion.
I am much the same, so given that, your link did not have the info needed on it :). Even according to that link Davis had more than one child.
Yes but it stated that he only had 5 grandchildren. How many kids he had becomes irrelevant because we know that 2 generations after Davis there were only 5 descendants.
It’s a loose term:
noun
1.
a person or animal that is descended from a specific ancestor; anoffspring.
2.
something deriving in appearance, function, or general character froman earlier form.
3.
an adherent who follows closely the teachings, methods, practices,etc., of an earlier master, as in art, music, philosophy, etc.; disciple.
4.
Astrology.
the point opposite the ascendant.
the point of the ecliptic or the sign and degree of the zodiac settingbelow the western horizon at the time of a birth or of an event.
the cusp of the seventh house.adjective
5.
descending; descendent.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/descendant
Definition 1 seems to be the one that fits this situation. With Jefferson Davis being the specific offspring it would require it to be the child of a child.
Another link:
http://dgmweb.net/FGS/Davis/DavisJefferson-SarahKnoxTaylor-VarinaBanksHowell.html
Bakari Sellers, We need you.
For the State Republican party to benefit from this success they need to recruit Black candidates. The only Black South Carolina Republican I can name is Tim Scott. A born again Republican Bakari Sellers would do a lot of good increasing the political influence of African-American South Carolina voters. It would be a brilliant political move for him. I’ve already voted for him once.
He has an issue of sobriety issues.
Hence, born again. That covers all sins.
I hope you are not the REAL Bible Thumper. Which is possible since the liberals only imposter of those they fear.
But if you really voted for Sellers, you have lost ALL credibility.
NEVER, NEVER is a Democrat a good vote. Even if the candidate is not corrupt (hard to imagine) the party is filthy, anti-American, anti-family, anti-progress, racist, failure-laden, backward, hateful and anti-woman.
By suggesting the GOP go out and beg Sellers come in as an opportunist reveals a very slimy ideology. That is what is wrong with politics. Too many liars.
He should come begging to get in the GOP because he has repented, and is sorry for the damage he, and the Democrat Party, have done to our culture and our state. We don’t want him unless he is reformed and rehabilitated, and PROVES it.
I voted for Sellers because Henry McMasters is not the face we want for the Republican party. Beyond belonging to a county club that excludes blacks, we do not need leaders that have a country club personal period.
Meka Childs where are you?
The Republican party and Governor Haley needs to find a prominent possition for her until the next election cycle.
Has anyone started to research Jenny Horn’s family tree? It is fair game now.
Search – search away. I have looked. No one has yet to provide a shred of evidence that what she said wasn’t true.
Here is a link to the names of the grandchildren of Jefferson Davis: http://jeffersondavis.rice.edu/Grandchildren.aspx
Everyone’s alias is hi-jacked. At least those who disagree. Vengeance knows no bounds. This is absolutely in bad tastes and very likely illegal. Stop.
The left can NEVER win with ideas. They must cheat, lie, steal and misrepresent. They want to SILENCE those they hate, Obama wanted to jail his political opponents, and punish his enemies with the IRS.
That’s who they are.
I don’t call it left or right — it is the voters who are doing this. It is political hacks! THEY are who want to silence us. If you want to gripe, look at who is being silenced. I know that is not BT.
Conservatives don’t use dirty tricks. The policy and ideology is self-evident, and it is what has built this country to be the best in the history of humankind.
Success and true good does not have to deceive.
But liars are continually hiding who, and what, they are. If Liberals, or Libertarians, were honest, they’d NEVER win any election.
Or, if there was not a hefty number of idiots and the dishonest, who vote, Democrats could never win.
Conservative do use dirty trick because they follow the lead of the GOP/RNC. In my green political years (and I am assuming since you comment on this site you are no longer green), I really held those in office to the highest imaginable regard.
When an election is stolen, and that is my opinion of what happened, and it is all Republicans who have the oppty to fix it, but do nothing – yes, that is a dirty trick.
I typically agree more right side than left, but I witnessed it happen. No denying the truth.
I do agree if Liberal, Libertarians, AND conservatives were honest — none would win elections, it would be a year of Independents.
blow me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLPj2h0N3bU
“From A Distance”
From a distance the world looks blue and green,
and the snow-capped mountains white.
From a distance the ocean meets the stream,
and the eagle takes to flight.
From a distance, there is harmony,
and it echoes through the land.
It’s the voice of hope, it’s the voice of peace,
it’s the voice of every man.
From a distance we all have enough,
and no one is in need.
And there are no guns, no bombs, and no disease,
no hungry mouths to feed.
From a distance we are instruments
marching in a common band.
Playing songs of hope, playing songs of peace.
They’re the songs of every man.
God is watching us. God is watching us.
God is watching us from a distance.
From a distance you look like my friend,
even though we are at war.
From a distance I just cannot comprehend
what all this fighting is for.
From a distance there is harmony,
and it echoes through the land.
And it’s the hope of hopes, it’s the love of loves,
it’s the heart of every man.
It’s the hope of hopes, it’s the love of loves.
This is the song of every man.
And God is watching us, God is watching us,
God is watching us from a distance.
Oh, God is watching us, God is watching.
God is watching us from a distance.
That is an interesting song to bring up at this time. It is one that I posted in a foreign forum years ago. Libya? I had to use a Google Translator to even post/correspond.
“From a distance you look like my friend,even though we are at war.
From a distance I just cannot comprehend
what all this fighting is for.”
NAACP boycott of South Carolina was ended today. Don’t anyone mention Black Biker Week. Shooosh..
BT – what happened to you. Has you alias been hacked or is that really you? I’ve never seen you act this way.
I can make.fun of myself and the.people I like. Just a good natured jab at Haley.
Pogo. You piece of dung!
lol…why?/no problem…I figure your saint of a husband must asked you to get your fat ass off the computer for an hour to clean the house,throw your snicker wrappers away and spend 5 fucking minutes with your poor kid….ya must have gotten upset and lashed out at me…have a blessed Sunday
It’s very telling who you are. I am on the computer for a couple minutes on this page and suddenly I get a nasty response from you.
You aren’t fooling me any longer. You see my IP address hit your site and then you come out with your nasty lying comments. I suggest you take a look behind when you want to tell someone to get off their fat a$$.
The crazies are running crazy. I think I’ll take a break for a while. Anyone sane and REAL, or even funny, would be a fresh break.
Til then….
Contact headquarters and get back with us.We await your words of wisdom.NONE of us but YOU are ‘sane,REAL or even funny’. We know that.
Keep deleting/changing your Disqus accounts. Maybe #7 will FINALLY make us ALL start worshiping your self-imagined deity on FitsNews.
Maybe Amy, Mace and others are reading this post – I hope so. I wonder what they would think about their person information/images being compromised.
Sleep with dogs you get fleas, but you can never, never, never, negotiate with a terrorist!
One can have the best of intentions, try to help, play along — an Anarchist knows one thing – his way or the highway. I know the games. Hit me with your best shot.
Once again:
“A man can tell a thousand lies
I’ve learned my lesson well
Hope I live to tell
The secret I have learned
‘Til then
It will burn inside of me
The truth is never far behind
You kept it hidden well
If I live to tell
The secret I knew then
Will I ever have the chance again”
You can trust me “implicitly”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEO4x_rqvto
Love my Beach Music. Have a great weekend. All in fun. :)
What? Hush hush now? I thought you had a lot to say? Cat got your tongue? Is that all you got? Or you calling your attorney to see just how much trouble you might be in?
Iron sharpens iron.
Well I guess as long as the hood bitches keep pooping thugs out all is well.
Thanks for the laugh Squishy! You know I don’t agree with you, but I can’t help but laugh at your hyperbole.
TRANSLATION: The dogs
is loose and chickens are coming home to roost as gutless RINOs try to trash
the Confederate flag
Like…I-Lie-To-Conservatives-Joe Wilson and
Stab-‘Em-In-The-Back-Nikki Haley…who do so like wax scum hypocrite and brag
That they’re just jerking their knee at the altar of PC
because their heads are so far up John Boehner for what THEY can get
And that…why of course I lied to conservatives to get my
worthless behind elected and you know they keep re-electing me yet
But these same scum led the PC crowd to trash Southern
Heritage and the valor of soldiers by jerking down the flag in SC
And when they AND OTHER RINOs get their political heads
handed to them next time around we can’t wait for their…who?…ME ???
rantings from white trash, they just don’t make trash like you anymore, your time is over, do yourself a favor and just die, your south will never rise again
Please PLEASE follow through in taking your vengeance on your turncoat pols who backstabbed you on your precious, nay holy, banner.
And go after Rep. “The” Pitts too, as he failed you . . . miserably.
Make it a crusade. We’ll cheer heartily.
The Ku Klux Klan is still coming to town to show us real nature of hard-core flag support.
Great. Take 125 whack jobs and paint them as the average conservative pro-flag person.
Wrong, and intentionally so.
This doofus thinks hard core means average.
He’s likely about average in the flag-fellator ranks.
People can act however the hell they wanna act in a public situation like this — as long as they are obeying the law. If you want laws that say nobody can disrespect the rebel flag, you need to start protesting it being used on thongs and jock-straps.*
You neo-cornfeds just whine too fucking much.
___________________________
*Not to mention GT and pogo’s butt plugs.
The lawmakers that voted to take it down and Haley are done politically in this state. They let political correctness and out of state influence tank their careers.
The removal of the flag was carefully crafted by Haley and her staff. She asked the black leader of the Highway Patrol to have the Troopers temove it and made sure a black trooper was the last to take it down…..all for the cameras and political gain for Trikki Haley……..the sheeple ate it up..
What you describe is leadership.
I haven’t had so much fun since the hogs ate my baby brother.*
What else can we fight over and tear down and hear the hate-heritage losers howl? Make the town of Ruffin change its name? Make the Citadel merge with SCSU? Maybe in fairness give it a new name. Denmark Vesey University? Robert Smalls University? Both names are full of heritage.
*old Lexington County saying.
“A little less talk and a lot more action”
Elvis
388 comments in and an extraordinary absence of contributions to try to answer the question, “Now what” FITS asks the question that needs to be asked–and acted upon. “Principled” talk of “pro-liberty” and “free market” and “common sense solutions” have as much currency as cliches like “Constitutional conservative”. We need to move from principles to suggestions and recommendations for policies and programs that have a chance to make a positive difference. In considering possibilities, we need to have the difficult, sometimes awkward, maybe painful discussions about who wins, who loses, who benefits, who pays. And, if we can agree that it is a common goal that the State moves forward, then that requires a more broad acceptance of the importance of quality of life issues for ALL citizens.
1 “We need to move from principles to suggestions and recommendations for policies and programs that have a chance to make a positive difference.
2 “in considering possibilities, we need to have the difficult, sometimes awkward, maybe painful discussions about who wins, who loses, who benefits, who pays.
Excellent points. #1 may be the more difficult though, as it needs expertise and not just opinion, and it also is where the more-practiced unworthies will insert to their advantage.