CONTROVERSIAL BANNER WILL BE REMOVED BEFORE THE WEEKEND …
|| By FITSNEWS || By a 94-20 vote, the S.C. House of Representatives voted to remove the Confederate flag from the grounds of the S.C. State House this week.
After thirteen hours of contentious, emotional and at times exceedingly ignorant debate – the House voted to simply concur with the legislation that overwhelmingly passed the S.C. Senate earlier this week.
The deciding vote came three weeks after the “Holy City Massacre” – the horrific, racially motivated mass murder of nine black churchgoers at the Mother Emanuel AME Church in downtown Charleston, S.C. The Mother Emanuel victims – among them S.C. Senator Clementa Pinckney, the church’s pastor – were gunned down during a Bible study by Dylann Storm Roof, a 21-year-old white supremacist who used the Confederate flag as his calling card.
We’ve written extensively in the aftermath of the shooting in support of removing the flag – and doing so expeditiously. We’ve also provided some extensive historical context related to this debate (see here and here).
Both chambers of the legislature – under intense corporate pressure – did as we recommended. But the House didn’t go without a fight.
Leading the obstructionism? S.C Reps. Mike Pitts – who prepared a barrage of amendments to the “clean” Senate bill – and S.C. Rep. Rick Quinn, whose father Richard Quinn runs a political consulting empire with deep neo-Confederate roots.
Pitts did not vote for or against final passage of the Senate bill. Quinn voted for the bill – but not before attempting to insert an amendment that would have erected a taxpayer-funded shrine at the government-run Confederate Relic Room, where the flag will be shipped once it comes down.
Quinn’s language directs the Relic Room to “establish and maintain an appropriate, permanent, and public display honoring South Carolina soldiers killed during the Civil War to include the South Carolina Infantry Battle Flag of the Confederate States of America,” and that the flag “must be displayed alongside other distinguished military exhibits covering the Civil War.”
Ultimately lawmakers approved the language unanimously as a separate piece of legislation after Quinn’s effort to insert it into the flag bill itself was unsuccessful. Had House members amended the legislation – as several of them sought to do – it would have forced another round of voting on the issue.
One lawmaker – S.C. Rep. Jenny Horne – was having none of that. In fact Horne made an emotional appeal to her colleagues from the House floor at a key moment of the debate – urging them not to further delay the process.
“I cannot believe that we do not have the heart in this body to do something meaningful such as take a symbol of hate off these grounds on Friday,” Horne said from the well of the House, fighting back tears. “And if any of you vote to amend, you are ensuring that this flag will fly beyond Friday. For the widow of Sen. Pinckney and his two young daughters, that would be adding insult to injury and I will not be a part of it.”
Passing an unamended version of the bill means the measure goes straight to the desk of S.C. governor Nikki Haley – a former flag supporter who now believes the banner should be taken down.
Once Haley signs the bill, the flag will come down within twenty-four hours – i.e. before the weekend.
For those of you keeping score here’s the final vote …
(Click to enlarge)
(Pic: Via @RepJamesSmith)
Of interest?
Several powerful House leaders – including budget committee chairman Brian White, judiciary chairman Greg Delleney and influential whip Gary Simrill – voted against the bill.
Also voting against the flag’s removal? S.C. Rep. Eric Bedingfield, aide-de-camp to U.S. Rep. Mick Mulvaney.
Another powerful committee chairman – labor, commerce and industry (LCI) committee leader Bill Sandifer – was not present for the final vote but cast several pro-flag procedural tallies.
(For more on the influential support for the flag within the House, click here).
Many House members were livid during the debate, saying they had been assured by GOP leadership – including House Speaker Jay Lucas and “majority” leader Bruce Bannister – that the legislation to remove the flag would go through the traditional committee process and not be “rammed through.”
It didn’t …
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” horrific, racially motivated:”
Everybody drink!
You’re speaking about the Governess and the Legislature, aren’t you?
At least Gilda got to go home and get her beauty sleep.
You were right about Nikki.
This may change my mind about not telling what happened to her at Clemson.
Don’t be a tease.
Have you ever seen those signs that said, ‘WATCH THIS SPACE”….??
Lordy, lordy… we is free, we is free!!!
What will change, likely not a damn thing. Thugs will continue to thug, illegitimacy rates will stay at 70+%, drop out rates will stay high for black students, baby daddies will continue not to pay child support. Black folk will say Pinckney should have been shot years ago and we could have had an NCAA tournament in Columbia.
cleverly written
You are really obsessed with black people, aren’t you?
A sad day for South Carolina and America.The statues and monuments will be next.Buildings and roads renamed.The American Flag will be next.
Leftist/socialist race hustlers win again.Nikki Haley should be ashamed.ANY talk of her having national political aspirations should be quashed ASP by Republican operatives and voters.She is NO conservative and turned her back on the people that elected her.
By god Sharpton and Jackson love her though.Dry those faux tears up Nikki.You can now run as a Democrat.
That’s not you, Sandi.
“What I can tell you is over the last three and a half years, I spent a lot of my days on the phones with CEOs and recruiting jobs to this state,” Haley said during a gubernatorial debate in October 2014. “I can honestly say I have not had one conversation with a single CEO about the Confederate flag.”
Funny what NOT being accountable to the voters AGAIN that elected her (DESPITE all of her lies and moral failings) will do to a politician.
You don’t love me anymore honey? You are so usually so eager to upvote me whenever I spill out FoxNew and Koch Brothers talking points. Getting free votes from a dumb ass like you is so easy! LMAO!!!!
STOP USING MY NAME! WAAAAAHHH! WAHHHHHH! WAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!
I am not in favor of renaming most memorials, re-writing history, or erasing it but anything paying homage needs to go. He was a horrible racist. If a monument remains it needs to point out all of his atrocities and condemn them. He deserves to live in infamy.
Shut up, you already got your way, now you want more which is what everyone knew would happen. You’re acting like Todd Rutherford.
MLK plagiarized his way to a doctoral degree, he fucked women in every city and lead by do as I say, not as I do… and the black folk view him as a saint. Let’s take down the MLK statues, rename the streets, schools and buildings because they’re all named after a less than honorable person.
I didn’t get my way. I could care less about whether the flag was on the grounds or not but I did not think that now was the appropriate time to remove it. I believe the flag is about heritage and not hate. But, Ben Tillman was about nothing but hate. I have long wondered how anyone could pay homage to such a vile man. To honor him is to honor racism.
To what level of “racism” do you ascribe Jefferson, Washington, etc.?
To a much lower level than Ben Fucking Tillman, that’s for sure.
So it is like being pregnant. Either you are a racist or you are not. If we eliminate all monuments, references, etc. to any and all racists, who will be left? Where is the line to drawn on the racism scale?
No it’s not, and you’re basing your arguments on a false premise. There are obviously degrees of racism… From genocide to the “subtle racism of low expectations” and about 1000 gradients in between. It’s intellectually dishonest to pretend it’s a binary state. Start being honest with yourself before you try to debate with others.
I am being honest with myself. My whole point (which went over your head) is that everyone is a racist to some degree. Now if that is true, where do you draw the line? If it OK with you that Jefferson is on the “good” side and Tillman is not? So who is on the “plus” side and who is on the “minus”?
It’s all on the minus side… but the minus side constitutes a number line that goes into infinity. Tillman is much further down that line than Jefferson.
So then it follows that the Jefferson Memorial should come down, all nickels and $2 bills should be recalled, the Declaration (authored by Jefferson) needs to not be emphasized in the history books, etc., etc. If not, why not since he failed on the racist scale.
Maybe but he was a state leader during one of the most constructive periods in the state’s history. Shit got done under his lead… racist, asshole, or not. Look at how much leaders get done in the current politically correct culture. A governor is lucky to get one or two pieces of important legislation passed in a full term.
When Mia and Rutherford (Haley’s new political soulmates) speak they sound just like Louis Farakahn.They are all the SAME.The message is the same.
The ‘horrific’ shootings in Charleston happened in an AME church, Farakahn is calling for the removal of the American Flag in an AME church.Farakahn is ‘mainstram’ to people like Mia,Rutherford,Jackson and Sharpton.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jun/25/louis-farrakhan-calls-american-flag-come-down-who-/
American Flag is next. Thanks Nikki. Was it worth it so you could try and convince the race hustlers that would NEVER vote for you anyway, that you aren’t a racist? They are all laughing at you!
You were supportive Nikki like two months ago.
You were supportive Nikki like two weeks ago.
There. Fixed it for you.
She is all yours vic.Liars and cheats belong in the Democrat Party.
The Democrats were the ones telling you she was lying while you supported her reelection.
We were the ones telling people to vote Ervin or Sheheen while you supported her reelection.
Now here you are saying you wish you voted for Ervin!
You are a tool.
No thanks, she has done more than enough damage to this state that she is not worthy of being a Democrat.
Say what you want.
Haley got the ball rolling.
She struck when iron was hot.
She cleared the path for others to pass through. (IIncluding the Governor of Alabama)
She broke the logjam.
I’ve got more cliches if you want.
Haley sold her soul,SC and this nation to the devil for her national political aspirations. Coming SOON to SC and America:
“It’s possible that there are some monuments that need to be moved and even buildings and roads and schools that ought to be renamed. While it’s true that we shouldn’t try to rewrite history, it’s also true that we get to decide which parts of our history to celebrate, and we make that decision every day, by action or inaction.”
http://www.thestate.com/opinio…
Read more here: http://www.thestate.com/opinio…
The graves of Confederate war dead buried at federal cemeteries will likely no longer be decorated with Confederate flags following a vote Tuesday night by the House of Representatives.
The House passed an amendment that prohibits the controversial banners from being placed on any graves in federal cemeteries, The Hill reported. The matter must still be approved by the Senate.
http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2015/07/ban_confederate_flags_at_feder.html
South Carolina does not have any confederate dead buried in it’s National Cemeteries.
Keep on whining, boy. It fits you quite well.
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WWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Stop, stop, Will will be needing new ones now that “horrific…” will be going the way of the flag and he needs to get his crayons so he can take notes.
Colonel, taking bets on how many more times Folks will use “horrific…”? I am setting over/under at 42.
ill take that action, I’ll go 50.
What do all the Red states that have come to see the light on the Confederate flag/heroes have in common?
Foreign auto manufacturers:
South Carolina – BMW (how DID they miss that flag all these years?), Daimler Vans, Volvo (on the way)
Alabama – Mercedes Benz, Hyundai, Honda
Mississippi – Toyota, Nissan
Tennessee – VW, Nissan
Kentucky – Toyota
This is no different than the Big Business response to the ‘religious freedom’ laws in Indiana and Arkansas that were pulled in record time.
The difference is the foreign car companies did it quietly and before they would have to explain back home – PARTICULARLY, the German companies – why they are only now discovering, in some cases, decades after they set up shop in these states, why they didn’t know what that flag stood for.
Those companies don’t come here because of the flag, they come here because they can get cheap labor in South Carolina. I don’t see them building plants in California or New York.
Cheap labor, generous incentives and assured political clout that in a state as big as CA or NY they would never have, all played a part in their decisions to come here.
nitrat has a point, but the recent tragedy did put a whole new light on the subject.
The Old World’s “missionary” attempt to civilize the southern realms of the United States, heretofore beyond the reach of time’s march.
” By the time they had finished their work, Gov. Robert Bentley, who had ordered the removals (of the Confederate flags) the previous afternoon, was in a small town in the state’s northern hills to make an announcement. Google was coming to Alabama, building a $600 million data center to be powered completely by renewable energy.
“We have so many premier automobile and aerospace industries in the state, and I want this progress to continue,” the governor said in an interview. “I don’t want anything to be a distraction to my ability to recruit jobs.”
He continued, “A flag is not worth a job.” ”
NYT 6/27/15
Good move by Gov. Bentley, but he did not act until after Haley made her announcement.
Haley is an opportunistic liar and cheat that would not be reelected in SC.
She can run as a Democrat now. Tom Ervin was right.
“Haley is an opportunistic liar and cheat” So you are saying she is a “politician”?
She’s an opportunistic bottom feeder that works just to improve herself. I was wrong about her. Should have voted for Ervin.
You got that right!Starting a new petition today. :)
Bingo. It’s every one of them, there are few exceptions.
If you are going to be successful at anything, you have to be opportunistic.
Accusing someone of being opportunistic is to criticize someone for doing the right thing at a time that is most likely to result in sucess.
Doesn’t matter.I believe Will Folks which makes her unqualified for public service.
I guess you’ve finally made your break from die-hard Haley supporter GT now, pogo.
Breaking up was hard to do, though, right?
GT was the brains of this forum.The heart and soul.He is missed.Unlike liberals we can agree to disagree on an issue or politician and still be civil.
GT is a great American.
And Pogo is the turd.
She did the right thing, and I will give her credit for that, but let’s be real. She only did so after her hand was forced. Anyone else in her position would have done the same thing. If this was a moral imperative for her, she would have done so earlier. I’m not going to throw stones at her for checking the political winds first, but I’m not going to nominate her for sainthood either.
Haley’s timing was perfect. We can only speculate about her motives.
If she had been against the flag earlier, she wouldn’t have been the catalyst for others to change their possition.
Surely to god you don’t believe that shit? Just a DAY after the shooting she said the time wasn’t now to discuss the flag.
Exactly.
I love it when we agree. A patriot and a socialist coming together. :)
I’m the socialist one, just in case anyone was wondering!
“Just a DAY after the shooting she said the time wasn’t now to discuss the flag.”
Exactly. Her timing was perfect.
Reckless, disgraceful and shameless acting by all. Additional comments and thoughts will be posted later which will include damnation, profanation and other strong language.
“Bill Sandifer – was not present for the vote.”
He was there only moments before. In fact, he was the last to take the podium and speak out against the bill and was supportive of ammendments that would have delayed removal of the battle flag.
Sandifer was there, alright, but either ran out like Jeff Davis fleeing Abbeville, or just refused to vote like Pitts, Ryhal and a few others.
Pitts ran his mouth for what seemed like hours yesterday, nearly cried over his butt hurt about not being treated fairly last night and then didn’t bother to vote – what a man. If I was one of his constituents if be looking for a way to recall him.
You gonna have time to assist in a recall effort when you are busy brainwashing young minds to believe America is evil and the American Flag needs to come down?
Man, you are a drama queen, Flip.
and so is Dabo your head cheerleader
Fortunately, Pitts isn’t my legislature.
Pitts did not answer the Roll Call at the 1AM convening of the House. Only Reps. Hixon and Hiott were granted leaves of absence. Pitts, Ryhal, Long, Sandifer, Whitmire were AWOL. Southard and Toole answered Roll Call, but did not vote.
He was probably in the Men’s room. Can’t a guy take a leak without catching hell for it?
What’s sad is the only person in the House with a set of balls is Jenny “Me so” Horne… and she cries to get her way.
I watched much of the debates yesterday and stayed with it through the final vote – if this is how our “elected representatives” normally conduct bidness, it’s no wonder our roads suck as bad as they do.
I think they tell the freshmen legislators to vote with their emotions not their head.
Big head or little head?
As a former military officer like myself, you will understand “dilatory”.
Yep, dilettante seems to apply here as well.
As a conservative, I like the fact that it is difficult to get anything done concidering I oppose most of what they do, but even I had to shake my head at the farse of having to adjourn and reconvene with prayers, pledge of allegiance and attendance roll call inorder to have a final vote. But privately; I liked it.
I enjoyed the fake “adjourn, reconvene and get on with it” as well but good googly moogily, we actually have some stuff that needs doing, like fixing I-26 and one wonders how they’ll ever get to it.
Oh, they’ll get to it…and it will be with more of our tax dollars.
There’s no effective cap on the % of income they’ll take from us to pay for their incompetance.
My God Colonel.I drive thru and around the state all the time.What is your fixation on the fucking roads!
You don’t appear to have any trouble getting to your social justice events around the state.
“What is your fixation on the fucking roads!”
In a few words, THEY SUCK.
I’m tired of having to take my truck in to be realigned. I’m tired of watching my trailer bounce all over the freaking road when it’s empty. When I ride my motorcycle across the 555/I-77 bridge I Thank God that I have a long travel dual sport suspension. I-26 south of Columbia is as bad as some of the roads in Afghanistan and Iraq
You realize that you’ve been targeted by a troll, no?
Without a doubt. However, I’m going to be raising Hell about our roads this year, might as well start ou by answering one of the fellows who live under our bridges…
Oh my God, that comment – “I’m a descendant of Jefferson Davis……” – WTF? I wanted to just puke – talk about a two-faced play. “I’m a true southerner, and I want African Americans to vote for me.” Also know as, I want to make a stupid statement so I get national airtime on CNN and MSNBC.
Way over the top but a good sound bite – probably intentional.
NOW! On to their monuments, place names, and . . . hmmm . . . what was the rest of the diabolical plan? Churches?
Lesson: the white trash’s numbers don’t outweigh the big boardrooms’ money.
Look who the real racist fucker is. None other than Soft Sigh. White trash? I wonder how much you would cry foul if someone said that about black folk
Butt hurt much Pogo?
no one is “butt hurt” it should have come down as I said in the name, but you come in with the racist name calling. get a clue hypocrite
I am a racist. So what. My mother in-law is not even a citizen and has Obamacare!
Morning Flip!
I am the real racist, I’m just a nobody trolling badly on this site and I’m really on welfare.
Let it go!!!!
And it really would be so much better if she and her health issues moved into your living room, which is what was done in the Good Ol’ Days. WATB
Ahh, I have gained an Imp.
Yeah, I’ve been stepping up the dildo sizes recently, so he really is butt hurt.
That’s not really me. I still love Haley. People are trying to get me in trouble with her now. You are hateful communists, every last one of you!
Boo Hoo
White trash losers. There is that better?
You told us people shouldn’t be offended at everything, so I’m not being offended at someone saying white trash.
You mad about that big black and rainbow colored dildo you are being forced to take without lube bro?
“Let the healing begin!”
lulz
What a liar Haley is.
I already knew she was a liar though, that’s why I supported her!
Kumbaya errbody, kumbaya.
Where the fuck do you get fascism? You can fly the flag on your own property if you want to.
“Where the fuck do you get fascism?”
“white trash’s numbers don’t outweigh the big boardrooms’ money”
And the GOP establishment who didn’t want the issue up front in the run up to the “First in the South” primary. They’ve got trouble enough with Trump.
It’s a great day in South Carolina!
Dang.With the flag down now you can return your Jeremiah Wright sermon videos to the Mosque-oops…I meant church.
What a sorry life you must have if taking a piece of cloth off a pole makes your day.
Maybe you can use it to swaddle your hurt butt?
Right on cue,THE disgrace of THE Ohio State University.Please quit telling people you attended. :)
Not only attended, but won the bicycle race around the Quad in the May Day 1961 festivities..
No moral gay lovers like you should have never gone to THE Ohio State. We shouldn’t have to be associated with evil perverts like you.
Ok tom.Just like Nikki is a Republican. HA!
what a sorry life you must have if taking a piece of cloth off a pole wrecks your day
Couldn’t be happier today! Be traveling beginning next INCLUDING a stop in MB and Charleston.
The Carolina’s are still God’s gift to America.The surf,sand and seafood are calling me!
Florida has better surf and cleaner sand, but yeah, can’t beat the seafood.
Florida has better surf?!? Only during a hurricane…
Ever surf Folly? And that’s usually as good as it gets.
So is the fact that you can get gay married in SC, that’s great too! Although now you can get gay married in any of the 50 states! God bless America!
Rock on!!!!
This is flip/pogo we are talking about here. “Sad” is a given when speaking about him. Notice how when responding to tomstickler above it first as “Sandi Morals” and then “flip.” Poor troll can’t even keep his alternate personas right.
Nice post, but please stop using Rocky. If you’re posting as a guest make up any name you want. Thanks in advance.
STFU! I’ll post as who ever I want and you can’t stop me!
Nice post, but please stop using flip. If you’re posting as a guest make up any name you want. Thanks in advance. :)
Disregard. Another one those ISIS hackers trying to steal my s/n.
STOP MOCKING ME! LEAVE ME ALOOOOOOOOOOOOOONE! ;( ;( ;( ;( ;(
Rocky,son.You got me Obamacare and I am not a citizen.How bout my own EBT card?
That Rocky above is not the real Rocky. As for EBT card, you need to contact the authorities and see if you are legally entitled. If so, knock yourself out.
Ok.Thanks.Truce.
Peace on Brother!!!
maybe you should look into the many mental health treatment options available to you thru Obamacare
Those black folks welcomed Dylann into their church to pray with him. They were not preaching hate. Only a racist like you equates all black churches to Jeremiah Wright. You are no Christian. God help you.
What a sorry life you must have if taking a piece of cloth off a pole upsets you so much.
You can change a flagpole, but you can’t change people. This is amount to zero societal change.
That’s probably true if your view of societal change is white-centric. However, if you think about the signal it sends the black citizens of SC, one of unity and inclusion, then it will probably have a greater than zero change. That is, if you care about South Carolinians who aren’t white. If you don’t, then yeah… the haters gonna hate and taking a flag down won’t change that.
I have many, many black friends and live in a black neighborhood.
They could care less. They are busy and productive people. I suppose that is what separates them from you.
Of course you do….
“I have many, many black friends”
This is the first thing a racist will say to defend themselves. Having black acquaintances you tolerate doesn’t mean you aren’t racist. Even if they are your actual friends that you actually hang out with and talk to on a regular basis, that doesn’t make you special.
There are plenty of black folks who want that flag down. Knowing one or two that don’t doesn’t invalidate the thousands and thousands that do.
I have many black friends who’s black slave ancestors fought with Confederate soldiers to defend the South – there – fixed it for you.
Not in South Carolina. It was forbidden for slaves to fight for CSAm up to a certain point, then it was allowed. Slave troops were mustered, but then came the full brunt of Sherman’s march to SC. Everybody was scrambling. No real force of slave solders was ever deployed. All stayed home, as they were needed by their owners to help defend their homes. So a lot of that stuff about slaves in the CDA forces has to do with GA and other states.
Produce some historical evidence, and while you’re at it produce your black friends who are telling you such lies. I bet they’ll be hanging out in the Confederate Relic Room hoping for gullible fools to stop by. http://www.theroot.com/articles/history/2015/01/black_confederates_not_a_myth_here_s_why.html
You’re a liar. If you have black friends, and you’ve discussed this issue, they care. Good try though.
For a meaningless gesture it sure has pissed off a lot of racists and people who are bad at history.
The tears of dying bigots taste so sweet!
Do you really think anything died?
Probably just another black kid who was shot by another black kid. So common among that culture that it’s barely newsworthy. Mama will just make another one.
So sick of hearing about this. It really doesn’t change anything. At least the flag blocked the view of the State House which was a major plus. Now we have no choice but to look at the idiots there. Those people who voted the flag down will still make racist comments behind closed doors and associate with only those of their own kind that they approve and entertain only those of their own kind unless there is a political reason to do otherwise. This was all political grandstanding on the backs of the slaughtered. The only good thing is if it will get Haley out of SC, then it really will be a great day in SC. Those who think some social justice has been implemented because of this decision are kidding themselves. It will take a helluva lot more than this for racial equality to be the reality in SC.
Where are the “It will never happen” posters?
Do they deny us our gloat?
Nah, go ahead and carry on with your sophomoric nanny boo boo routine over a measure that will have zero effect on the way people view each other. Get it all out of your system, then sit around and wait for the next social media prompt to enrage and enact your hacktivism. Must be really lonely sitting on top of moral superiority mountain.
Nah, go ahead and carry on with your sophomoric nanny boo boo routine”
perhaps you should take your own advice, no?
Your defeat brightens my day.
I would be much more sympathetic had it really been a heritage display, but it was an intended slap at black Americans.
In case you missed it, I am in favor of moving it off the statehouse grounds. So I live another day, undefeated. I’d love to hear what you’re actually doing to make the world a better place, you know when you’re not being manipulated by social media, politicians and what broadcast teat you feed off of.
Wrong on all points. But that’s likely typical for you.
Nope. Just axe for it!
I believe they’re tucked away behind the “Hope” and “Change” posters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnS9M03F-fA
RIP
White trash like Rick Quinn? Time to make him move again…
The some who wanted the flag down most, hate that Haley got a victory.
Soft sigh……
I assure you, if it had been to her advantage to be on the other side of this subject, she would have been.
I didn’t expect to have my point proven so quickly. Thank you.
Don’t point toward me. I think she deserves a lot of credit.
I stand corrected.
Not a Haley fan, but give her all due credit on this issue. She got it done.
I’m not sure I agree. Those of us who care about social issues are very used to applauding good things getting done for all kinds of reasons, usually economic. There are many who protested the Iraq War, but praised Bush for the positive impact his administration had in Africa. Life ain’t black and white. When you generalize with phrases “the same who” it’s such a generalization that your statement is immediately false, because all it takes is a few examples that don’t meet your world view to completely undermine your point. That’s the pitfall of racists. ALL blacks do this… ALL mexicans are this… ALL liberals believe this… That’s all bullshit. People are more complicated than that.
That Merrill guy sure is an unpleasant little turd. Almost make Pitts seem likable.
Almost.
You related to me and live with your mother? Got cable. I do.
Will (or anyone else who may know this answer better than me), is there any procedural timelines on how soon the governor can sign the bill? Is there any form of a cooling off timeline, or legal review timeline that the executive branch is subject to prior to the pen hitting the paper? or is it purely a question of how quickly a signing ceremony can be set up?
Signing ceremony is at 4:00 pm today. She can sign it as soon as delivered. Not sure about the procedure for delivering it.
The flag may come down 10:00 am Friday.
http://m.wistv.com/wistv/db_330790/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=XDRQtBhO
My guess is it probably comes down at noon on Friday. They’ll want to make it dignified et al. That means Citadel Cadets, a drummer, and likely an escort down Gervais from the monument to the State Museum.
That’s a waste of taxpayer money. Send that girl back up there. She’s got all the equipment, I bet she’ll do it for free.
I was wrong, official release from Haley’s office states 10 AM.
Shit, for what it’s worth they might as well have Leon and Cletus walk out and take it down while they’re picking up trash on the Statehouse grounds.
Haley is a traitor. She abandoned those that brought here to power. We must make sure she never wins any election in SC again. WE MUST NOT VOTE FOR ONE SINGLE PERSON WHO PARTICPATED IN REMOVING THE FLAG.
Finally we can be free of the magic powers of the cloth with patterns on it.
No problem replacing it with the Swastika or the ISIS flag? It’s all just cloth.
Another kind, loving comment from a flag downer. We are so lucky to have his valuable input.
You’re welcome. Would you like to read my manifesto?
No. I do not associate with people mired in hate.
Goodbye
Is that an actual statement or sarcasm? It’s hard to tell what you really think, puddin’.
Haters are going to hate and distort our position. But even worse are those people who support the flag and refuse to do anything about this. If you do, you are as guilty as the Senators and Representatives who abandoned those who have supported them. WE MUST NOT VOTE FOR ONE PERSON WHO VOTED TO TAKE DOWN THE FLAG.
Wait, we have a monument dedicated to the ISIS dead on the statehouse grounds??
When the flag finally comes down, how many “hits” is fits going to lose on the pay for click stories? I think he may have wanted it to stay up a tad longer for more stories, I hope he saved up on this new found “wealth”.
The World is already a better place. Truly, I believe blacks will have high employment low drug use and low incarnation rate in just a few days.
This is really meaningful. I feel taller and smarter and prettier.
Crawl back in your hole. You make the human race uglier and dumber.
You are a very pleasant man. I can just tell from your kind and insightful comments.
Communicated in nothing but sarcasm is the trademark of teenage girls. You pull it off well.
You celebrate hate. I despise it. Enjoy stewing in it. I have better things to do
You hate hate… very meta.
How amusing. Your side prevails, and you are still hateful..
Lesson abound, and one of them, not surprisingly, is that haters hate.
I thought you had better things to do?
For the record, I don’t have a “side” because life isn’t a game of dodgeball.
Stop complaining. We lost the battle. Its time to do something about it. WE MUST NOT VOTE FOR ONE PERSON WHO VOTED TO TAKE DOWN THE FLAG.
High schools around the state are going to need to start construction on entire wings to house all the juniors and seniors who will aspire toward graduating.
So, if you were “off the grid” for the last month and did not know about this flag situation, what difference would it make in your life?
Well, obviously, none. It is theater, pure and simple. both sides posturing for power, money, and moral superiority.
This represents the worst of American politics, Lots of fanfare, and meaningless. Meanwhile, the debt continues, roads are in disrepair….blah blah blah.
Stop bellyaching and do something. We must purge SC government of the people who voted to take down the flag. WE MUST NOT VOTE FOR ONE PERSON WHO VOTED TO TAKE DOWN THE FLAG.
Now that the many have got what they have longed for for over 15 years– there should be no talk as some on the floor brought up of changing Tillman Hall on Clemson’s campus. If it offends you– then parents send your children elsewhere. As far as statues and other memorabilia that are located in various locations in SC and other states– you cannot wash history away. Things happened and yes many not pleasant– no matter what your color are offended, but please let this be the end to all or things may be reversed ie. Monuments commemorating any and all races, street and road names, building names– including Strom Thurmond and Martin Luther King.
In other words– give it a REST! Long may the South live and be strong! Now to those who are unhappy living in SC and other places where you may feel less than satisfied– move!
Each legislator had a viewpoint that deserved the respect of their colleagues and not ridicule. Yes– GRACE is a word and one that should be used on many occasions.
There is no place for Black gangs or the Ku Klux Clan. Now stay off the beautiful grounds of the SC Statehouse. There has been enough violence!
I think you will find they have just started.
Tillman admitted to participating in lynchings. Not sure how you can keep the hall named after him.
Last night several references were made to Tillman being a member of the Klan – he wasn’t, in fact, he was at odds with them. He was however a proud member of the “Redshirts” a similar though far better organized group.
The talk of Tillman Hall being changed started well before this flag debate. When they change the name, the mis-information brigade from Bullshit Mountain will jump up and down saying it’s part of the slippery slope of the flag downing. That conversation has been going on since January:
http://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/news/education/2015/01/13/resolution-introduced-rename-clemsons-tillman-hall/21718523/
Incidentally, whether he was a sheet carrying klansman or not, Pitchfork Ben was a real asshole and shouldn’t be honored by anyone… Just my opinion.
“That conversation has been going on since January”
That conversation has been going on since they renamed in 1946. Tillman Hall was built in 1893 and known as the “Main Building” for most of it’s life. Tillman is responsible for the establishment of Clemson and Winthrop and it is probably appropriate that he have something named in his honor on both campuses – I’m thinking a lavatory somewhere in the basement of one of the buildings could be renamed Tillman’s Toilet…
And the conversation to bring down the flag has been going on since 1963… My specific point is, in January it was an actual conversation within the Clemson board and trustees in response to minority protests on campus. So…. IF they change the name, it has nothing to do with moving the flag, which will be exactly what all the racist loonies start screaming.
I concur – that’s why I pointed out that it’s been going on since the name was changed. I suspect sometime in September there will be a “cease and desist bill” offered in the house to put a rest to all the “rename this or that” silliness.
At Clemson, the “Tillman Two-Holer” outhouse at an historical-replica farmstead of ca. 1900.
i heard they called you the pickleparker back in academia. carry ya pasty white ass back to ohio
Whole life in the south.
You seem mighty dim. Lexington County? Laurens?
Mr. Tillman’s statue should be left in place, his name should be left on the buildings, but his documented quotes should be put on the base of his statute and over the doors of any building named in his honor him. I think we can all agree that is fair and balanced.
Yes, I think our history, heritage should be written to show all view points. Even the true facts about Strom Thurmond having a child with a black woman and hiding it all those years. He was not what he appeared. True he did a lot for SC, but the same can be said for many others. We would not have the outstanding Clemson University without some of our ancestors who we do not agree with today, but Clemson was one of the first schools in SC to lead the way to allowing people of color.
We cannot undo the past, but it is important to respect the views of all (not including deranged people like the suspect in the Charleston shootings). Mr. Rutherford still owes FOX news an apology. They are not to blame and neither is CNN even though their reporters and even our President are allowed to use the N word.
Education, family environment and schools play a VERY large part in these deranged children. Teachers need to be allowed to have a place to report troubled youth and no way should we allow high school dropouts without a degree to even be able to purchase a gun. We cannot continue to allow troubled youth and adults free range!
Calm morning on the State House grounds, 5-6 more news agencies than yesterday:
Interesting fellow circling the grounds: http://s5.postimg.org/4zl4o69k7/20150709_090959.jpg
and
http://s5.postimg.org/3lthsvaav/20150709_091158.jpg
Interesting fellow carrying the flag – at first I thought he was dressed as a (un)Civil War Soldier but upon review, I think he was going more for the “pre-apoplectic prophet of doom” look: http://s5.postimg.org/bon2qg5if/20150709_091858.jpg
Significantly increased security presence today, looks like they are shifting between “augmenting agencies” every day. Today was apparently DNR day.
Not that any of you care but 3 days ago a large water oak by the African American Monument dropped a huge branch in the middle of the day and last night a huge Cedar splintered near the ground: http://s5.postimg.org/6igit5g4n/20150709_092235.jpg
If you’ve never visited many state houses, accept my word for it that South Carolina’s is one of the prettiest and come down/over/up for a visit.
And haunted.
The ghosts are obviously restless. They are likely tired of platitudes and pontification just like the living.
Looks like the whole cedar is coming down. It was damaged in a storm last year. http://s5.postimg.org/49kvvldd3/20150709_134558.jpg
Yes, I know you don’t care and I’m a socialist and not a conservative or a colonel…
It looks like it’s in bad shape. I love our state house grounds. Sad to any of the old trees go. I was talking about our legislatures platitudes and pontification. At some point watching the debate last night it turned in to word salad, I think my brain shorted out. I was supporting the flag but at this point I no longer care. Just take it down or leave it up (looks like down won, but whatever).and move on to something important like FIXING THE DAMNED ROADS!
For many this is emotional, on both sides. Clearly a small segment of the state feels this was an attack on their heritage (and I’m not going to judge that). But for a much larger segment it was a move that signifies that the State has moved forward. Either way, it brings to close a long period of time where we flew a symbol over the dome, and later on the law, that signified defiance against the efforts of African Americans to obtain equal rights. It represented Jim Crow, segregation of our schools, and of our society. And in the last three weeks, it was a rallying issue for many in the Low Country, and in Charleston to move past that. Over the years one could say that the push and pull of state politics has always favored the Midlands and Upstate, Charleston and the Low Country often viewed as a Yankee haven and tourist spot. So in a way, this vote shows a rather unified state, at least for this issue. I thank the Legislature for the speed with which they addressed this. I also share the sentiment of others here, that now let’s get to work solving issues, like the roads.
Sign that bill Haley! LMAO!!!
9 are dead, the flag is coming down, and our state’s roads and schools still suck. What?
this will keep people like Dylan Roof from getting handguns and killing people. solution found.
Stop complaining. Have you called your senator and representative to tell him he has lost your vote. The battle is lost but not the war. WE MUST NOT VOTE FOR ONE SINGLE PERSON WHO VOTTED TO TAKE DOWN THE FLAG.
“What it’s like to write speeches for a rude, rambling and disgraced politician”
The review of Mark Sanford’s speechwriter’s memoir is at ‘Book Party’ at Washington Post.
It is not kind to Mark.
Links are not working for me again.
So the flag is down, and our Senators and Representatives abandoned those of us who have supported them for years. Those proud of their heritage, need to decide what to do next. The answer is clear. We cannot support at the polls those who abandoned us. We must purge this group from government and start over. If Republicans will not put up people who will defend our heritage, we must look elsewhere. It is our vote that brought them to power and our vote has kept them there. It may mean losses for a few years, but sometimes you must tear down the old to make room for the new. The battle is lost but not the war. We need to fight for what we know to be right. WE MUST NOT CAST ONE SINGLE VOTE FOR ANYONE WHO VOTED TO TAKE DOWN THE FLAG. Deo Vindice.
That’s a great idea! In most races, that means your choice is either to vote for a Democrat or not vote. Either way, it’s an improvement on whatever you voted last time.
Our choice is to plan for the future. Representatives are only elected for two years. We can have an entirely new group of people who we can trust within four. It is a small price to pay. Not to mention the possibility of third party candidates.
Please… please… please follow through with this plan.
As usual, this is the threat the Republicans have and will use. You must support us you have no choice. If you truly wanted us to follow through and you were a Democrat, you would be silent. Those who voted to take down the flag have gone a step too far. We can not hold our nose and continue to vote for them. That is not honorable. It is dishonorable. We must accept the consequences of having supported the wrong people. They seek to hide in numbers. We must start anew. I call on the Republican party to replace those who voted to remove the flag, but if they will not, we must. WE MUST NOT VOTE FOR ONE SINGLE PERSON WHO VOTED TO TAKE DOWN THE FLAG.
Actually, you are such a minority opinion now, it doesn’t really matter how you vote. I know that’s sort of the crux of this whole white supremacy milieu, but you will have to accept one day that the power in this country no longer rests with a single race and gender. It’s annoying, but it’s true. So, I put it to the flag supporters that if they despise America and the majority of their countrymen who approve of removing a symbol of hate from a government site, then maybe they should follow the other proud southerners who hated this country and move to South America. I hear it’s nice down there this time of year.
I am not a white supremacist. The flag is part of our history that should not be relegated to a dusty dark room. Those who fought for the South had differing reasons. But many did so in defense of what they considered their homeland. WE MUST NOW DEFEND THEIR HONOR. Even if as you say we are small in number, small numbers count in close elections. WE MUST NOT VOTE FOR ONE SINGLE PERSON WHO VOTED TO TAKE DOWN THE FLAG!!!
If it’s your ‘history’, fly it in your front yard if you don’t want it relegated to a dusty dark room. I don’t care what happens to it.
Yes it is my history. I have an obligation to speak up if I do not want it buried. Which I will do with my vote.
Ill just go ahead and say it again as I don’t think you know how to scroll to find where I posted it just a few comments up
“What heritage is your dumbass talking about? My families “heritage” in this state goes back to before the Revolutionary war when there wasn’t even a “rebellion” yet so they were actually British citizens at that time. Am I crying there is no British flag there for the heritage of my ancestors that didn’t commit treason and defy a king before the war started? No, and the right side won the war and we rejoiced and continued to live, build, and work here in the south in South Carolina. Then a 2nd war broke so I also have heritage to soldiers that fought for the confederacy here in South Carolina, but they lost, so why do I need a flag of a defeated nation on a government ground to honor their heritage? The British one isn’t flying so why would the other loser (the Confederacy) get to fly a flag on state dollar supported property? The only people wanting that flag up are fucking idiots that hate another race (probably hate is wrong, jealous of). I’m a white southern American and that flag had no business there, and doesn’t define my heritage. I define my own heritage! And if you don’t like that its gone, move the fuck out of this state you redneck fuck head. Hell I’ll even drive you as Im sure your car is off its tires on cinder blocks in the front yard. Go ahead and give me your address to the trailer you live in off 321 and I’ll come pick you up. Take off the hood and show yourself coward. You have no real Southern Pride you jack off all you have is hate.”
You assume my heritage is not as long as yours. You would be wrong. My direct ancestor fought the British under the command of Francis Marion. I am proud of that history as well. WE MUST NOT VOTE FOR ONE PERSON WHO VOTED TO TAKE DOWN THAT FLAG!
But your ancestors before the one that fought for Francis Marion were British at one point were they not? Then why not fly the British flag in honor of that heritage. If you are going to claim one you must claim the other or it is not valid. Otherwise your entire point is BS
I noticed he didn’t reply to you on that last point. the truth of his BS must have been brought out where even he couldn’t keep on going. some people just cant handle the truth I guess.
Taking the flag off the State House grounds buries your history? That makes no sense.
THIS. Buy a dozen and put them up all over your front yard if you want. But keep it off of the State House grounds.
What about the honor of those South Carolinians who suffered under that same flag?
Cry me a river. Wahhhh Wahhhhh Wahhhhh
Not a baby cry, a battle cry. A call to action.
WE MUST NOT VOTE FOR ONE SINGLE PERSON WHO VOTED TO TAKE DOWN THE FLAG.
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good luck with that
What heritage is your dumbass talking about? My families “heritage” in this state goes back to before the Revolutionary war when there wasn’t even a “rebellion” yet so they were actually British citizens at that time. Am I crying there is no British flag there for the heritage of my ancestors that didn’t commit treason and defy a king before the war started? No, and the right side won the war and we rejoiced and continued to live, build, and work here in the south in South Carolina. Then a 2nd war broke so I also have heritage to soldiers that fought for the confederacy here in South Carolina, but they lost, so why do I need a flag of a defeated nation on a government ground to honor their heritage? The British one isn’t flying so why would the other loser (the Confederacy) get to fly a flag on state dollar supported property? The only people wanting that flag up are fucking idiots that hate another race (probably hate is wrong, jealous of). I’m a white southern American and that flag had no business there, and doesn’t define my heritage. I define my own heritage! And if you don’t like that its gone, move the fuck out of this state you redneck fuck head. Hell I’ll even drive you as Im sure your car is off its tires on cinder blocks in the front yard. Go ahead and give me your address to the trailer you live in off 321 and I’ll come pick you up. Take off the hood and show yourself coward. You have no real Southern Pride you jack off all you have is hate.
Because you will no longer have a heritage when the flag comes down? Interesting.
I think it’s going to be an eye opening experience for those who voted down the flag come November. Others have been tossed out of office for just mentioning what was done last night.
I just found out that the Confederate Relic room is basically a Hilton Hotel for Flags. It’s heated, air conditioned, and it doesn’t rain in there. Why didn’t anyone tell me sooner? Hell I would have jumped off this pole and rand down the hill.
When they move the flag, can the pole be moved to the Governor’s office?
The comment section on articles like this are truly enlightening. I feel privileged that I was able to see so many diverse view points regarding a flag that is responsible for bad roads, racism, Republicans, Christians, white people, country music, and “being on the wrong side of history.” Hate the flag doesn’t make. Last time I checked black people were 18% of the population and responsible for 53% of murders at a rate of 5 to 1 black on white crime. Hide your wife and daughters whitey!
I bet you surf cuckold porn, don’t you?
So nice to see your hateful ways continue even though your side prevailed.
Taking down the flag will serve no purpose as you have shown.
Please sir, go forth and hate.
The flag that goes up in the relic room should be one of those innocuous blue ones and not a red and crossed hate banner. This should be no problem in that the heritage pols have already said the blue flags are perfectly acceptable to them as substitutes.