IMPASSE AT THE S.C. STATE HOUSE?
|| By FITSNEWS || At some point we’ve got to stop talking about flags … but that point doesn’t appear to be even remotely on the horizon in South Carolina.
If anything the “flap” over fabric seems to be intensifying in the Palmetto State …
Multiple sources familiar with ongoing negotiations to remove the Confederate flag from the grounds of the S.C. State House tell FITS another Civil War-era banner – the Bonnie Blue flag – has become a focal point of contention. In fact we’re told the debate over this flag could create an impasse that might leave the controversial battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia at its current location for the foreseeable future.
Which of course would cause all hell to break loose …
“Republican” leaders have confirmed to FITS that there are more than enough votes to remove the Confederate flag from its current location on the north lawn of the State House – but only if the Bonnie Blue flag is raised in its place.
As we noted in this backgrounder on Confederate banners, the Bonnie Blue flag was flown by Confederate forces during the Battle of Fort Sumter in April, 1861. Originating in Western Florida during the movement for independence from Spain, the banner migrated to Mississippi and other southern states as the War Between the States broke out. The flag inspired the popular Confederate anthem “The Bonnie Blue Flag” – and was the origin of the nickname given to Rhett Butler and Scarlett O’Hara’s daughter in Gone With The Wind.
According to its supporters in the S.C. State House, the Bonnie Blue flag “has not been used as a hate symbol.”
“It’s a true heritage flag,” one GOP leader told FITS.
One proposed compromise would replace the Confederate flag with the Bonnie Blue on a year-round basis. Another would fly the Bonnie Blue flag only one day of the year – Confederate Memorial Day (which is a paid state holiday in South Carolina).
S.C. minority leader Todd Rutherford is having none of either one of those ideas.
“Totally unacceptable,” he told FITS. “As are proposals to take down other monuments. The compromise is the flag and the pole.”
In other words the Confederate flag is to be taken down and replaced by … nothing.
The rebel banner has become an issue again in the aftermath of last month’s horrific, racially motivated “Holy City Massacre” – the mass murder of nine black churchgoers at the Mother Emanuel AME Church in downtown Charleston, S.C. The Mother Emanuel victims – including S.C. Senator Clementa Pinckney, the church’s pastor – were gunned down during a Bible study by Dylann Storm Roof, a 21-year-old white supremacist who used the Confederate flag as his calling card.
We’ve written extensively in the aftermath of the shooting in support of removing the flag – and doing so expeditiously. We’ve also provided some extensive historical context related to this debate (see here and here).
How’d we get here? Why is a Confederate flag flying on government property in the first place?
To recap: On April 11, 1961 a version of the Confederate flag was hoisted above the S.C. State House at the request of S.C. Rep. John A. May of Aiken, S.C. The following March, a resolution sponsored by May was passed to keep the flag flying for one more year. However May’s resolution contained no end date, and so the flag flew from atop the dome (and from within both chambers of the State House) for another four decades until July 1, 2000. That’s when a bipartisan, biracial compromise took the banner off the dome (and out of the chambers) and hoisted another version of the flag at its current location.
“Off the dome and in your face,” flag supporters said at the time.
The compromise dictated that only a two-thirds majority of both chambers of the S.C. General Assembly could remove the flag from its new spot – although the constitutionality of that provision has been questioned.
The State Senate – originally viewed as the more likely roadblock to the flag’s removal – appears to poised to sidestep the Bonnie Blue debate. In fact there are already twenty-nine co-sponsors signed onto a bill, S. 897, that would take the flag (and its pole) down free and clear of any entangling deals.
That means the drama will take place in the S.C. House of Representatives.
As of this writing, it’s unclear whether two-thirds of lawmakers would vote to take the flag down absent some sort of “Bonnie Blue” compromise … just as it seems unlikely two-thirds of lawmakers would go along with such a compromise.
It’s a classic stalemate, in other words.
Our advice?
Lawmakers don’t need to get cute with this debate. Take the banner down. Do it now. Don’t insist on anything in return. And then move on to addressing the myriad of issues which make South Carolina one of the poorest, least intelligent, most underemployed, most dangerous states in America.
Unfortunately a recently announced Ku Klux Klan rally, alleged threats against lawmakers and robo-calls attacking flag opponents have made members of the S.C. General Assembly exceedingly nervous. We’ve also heard from several lawmakers who believe poll data showing support for the flag’s removal is unlikely to hold up – especially among older, white “Republicans” who vote in GOP primary elections.
Speaking of which, in related news don’t miss our exclusive reporting (here and here) on ill-fated efforts by powerful S.C. Senator Hugh Leatherman to buy off Confederate flag supporters … with your tax dollars!
298 comments
I kinda like that flag. it is a nice looking flag and as a fag that can now get married, I think color on the state house grounds is important.
Who in their right mind gives a fart what Todd Rutherford thinks?
Todd cares what Todd thinks and Todd likes Todd’s farts too.
Essentially, Todd loves Todd.
Is that Nikki Haley’s new BFF? I saw Bill O’Reilly interview him and he appeared to be a really angry race hustler?
He is. He has the short man problem.
He also sees this as his only chance at the big time. We were in law school together and I know that little sob like the back of my hand.
He sees himself as the next Washington DC Mandingo Prince.
Thanks.Hard to believe Nikki is siding with this guy.Guess she forgot who elected her.
Why would she care? She can’t run for gov again so everything she does from now on will likely be decided with aspirations of some federal office in mind. She got what she needed from the simpletons of this state…let them eat cake!
The SC GOP-voter saps have been used and discarded.
All they can do is whine now: “Betrayed!!” (sniff)
She has left the poor people of SC behind and is running for much higher office now. The voters here are not so important as they once were.
“I saw Bill O’Reilly interview him and he appeared to be a really angry race hustler?”
Bill O’Reilly was a really angry race hustler before that interview.
That conservative legislators are cowards comes as no news at all.
Speaking of hubris…what a silly, arrogant comment.
Don’t be surprised if the whole Kit and Kaboodle goes off the tracks this week. Lots of people on the right and the left are feeling their oats. Hubris is the academic term for it and hubris has killed more ideas and legislation than you can imagine.
What a silly comment.
Just watch. Watch from the comfort of you PJ’s while you should be working and earning an honest day’s pay. Just watch.
It’s Sunday, doof.
Correct, today is Sunday and the General Assembly convenes tomorrow. Need I draw you a calendar? Picture? Perhaps a map?
What a naif. You think their plotting and conniving takes Sunday off like regular working stiffs?
Nice to know you can watch that from your slimily little apartment.
If the CS flag goes down, so should the monument to African slaves that was part of the compromise, and so should the US flag – given what it means to Native Indians
American Flag is next. Nikki has to ask Jeb first.Jeb then has to ask his hispanic wife.
A Goldman Sachs bank flag or J.P. Morgan bank flag would be a fitting replacement.
You are correct. The pension plan deficit is going to consume the state’s budget in ways never seen before. Starting in two years we are all going to feel it.
Wall Street has fleeced us but good.
nice!
….and Comrade slam dunks it FTW!
There a very few legislators in districts protective enough that they can vote to keep the flag. Even with an “R” next to your name you are going to need women and a few moderates in most districts if you face a primary challenge. If they vote to keep the flag someone will run against them in the primary and could likely generate enough support with moderates using only the flag issue to win.
To be sure more than one political adviser will be watching the votes and archiving the results.
I think you are off the mark. A lot of people will say “take the flag down” publicly, or say nothing at all. But the voting booth is where scores are settled and there are a lot of legislators that had better be mindful of this vote.
Horseshit.Republicans have picked-up over 1500 state legislature seats since Barack Obama was elected in 2008. They control 69 of the 98 state house and senate chambers-the MOST since the Civil War and Reconstruction.
liberal black man in white house, civil war over slavery, Republicans win seats in the South…flag issue revives racist history…
all coincidence.
Horseshit and conservative women are as angry about this as Sheheen calling Haley a whore.NOBODY would lose their SC House/Senate seat over this issue.All state politics is LOCAL and why Republicans run the table.
Shame Haley turned her back on the Christian conservative voters that elected her governor 2x- DESPITE her moral failings.
I’m not saying a Dem would get elected. I’m saying that in more progressive conservative districts the legislators might face a primary challenge in which their opponent could generate enough disgust over their flag vote to win in the primary. Especially if some Dems and others who don’t normally vote in the R primary do so.
Not true. Republicans would gain a couple and lose a couple.
I think the pressure will come now and over the next few days. “Vote for the flag and you will face VERY well financed opposition in the primary or general election” (whichever is the bigger threat). Big business wants the flag down.
Big Business calls the shots with a few, but not the majority.
Look, I think the flag should come down. But if you piss off the right wing, it wont come down! And of course that is what the left wants because they get to keep it as an issue. To raise money off of it and to inflame black voters.
If you are on the left you should hope your comrades are respectful and allow the flag to come down peacefully and respectfully. if you keep bitching and screaming then you only have yourself to blame.
It only takes 2 things to get elected to most offices in this state, money and an “R” next to your name. The way to get elected in through a very well financed primary challenge. If you can get big business to back you, you can take down any incumbent.
And thus the effective threat.
Because black votes are bought and sold like eggs at the farm market, they have no value except to the Democratic party. if blacks were ever smart enough to withhold their vote from the Dems the blacks would OWN this state.
Fortunately they are not very good at math.
Hence the idea that someone could run in the Republican primary in a district and cast themselves as a moderate, as opposed to the old white bigot that voted to keep the flag up, and easily win the primary. All it would take is a little effort and some $$$.
Yes, somebody could. It is possible. Yes, possible.
But not likely. These people know their districts pretty well.
Except Kevin Bryant has gotten out front on this take the flag down side and he may be in for a fight. He is going to have significant competition this time anyway, He, and his little boi bow tie, may not be back after the election.
More than possible. For house districts that are “conservative” you give me a clean cut guy in his late 30’s early 40’s with a solid family and a good backstory and put him in the primary against some old guy (over 55) who votes to keep the flag flying and he could win the primary for less than 10K.
Ha ha ha ha! what a joke!
Kevin has a significant ethics problem. Has a very good oppo candidate and has the noose of incumbency hanging around his bi-sexual neck. I think he is a goner.
Run as a conservative Republican and ignore the flag. With the big bucks you win. But none of this is necessary, just the credible threat.
I don’t think so Sybil.All politics is local and there is a reason the Republicans have picked up 1500 state legislature seats since 2008.
This issue is a political winner for Republicans.
p.s. we are NUKING the Japs in women’s soccer tonight!
SCBlues idcydm • 10 minutes ago
(indignantly) You’ve never seen moi use profanity on here!
parentheses huh? NAILED! LMAO….
I use parenthesis, so what is your point? Do you think you have some kind of psychic post reading abilities?
You just troll day after day. Your comments have absolutely nothing to do with the topic. They are just hateful and lacking substance.
“At some point we’ve got to stop talking about flags”…no fucking shit.
I’m flagging your comment! LOL
Go for it…;)
(indignantly) You’ve never seen moi use profanity on here!
Can’s say that I have. I’m tired of both sides using it as a smoke screen.
I only use profanity in the bedroom when Maggie breaks out the ‘hammer’.
Hey Pogo – still that pathetic huh that you have to spoof the posting names of others – please keep it up – just proves what a DESPICABLE TROLL that you are . . .
Looks like it is your turn now….he is pathetic!
right on cue-the pretend,socialist mommy!
WTH are you talking about? Pretend, socialist mommy? Maybe I need a sip to understand your silly rantings.
Boz is not flirting shamelessly with her.
lol! He stopped after she libeled that female tv personalty. Bigger fish to fry in his new rainbow flag ‘speedo’ for Boz.His latest is apparently Tom Rice is a criminal and the cabal Boz calls the Myrtle Beach Mafia is after him?
You can’t make this shit up!
It’s really easy to tell if it’s you or not, I just hover the pointer over the avatar. Trolls, what a sad life they must have
Not exactly true. If you are on disqus, aka NSA, it works but not if you are a “quest”.
Join disqus then it will be true for you also because what I said is exactly true.
“Can’s say that I have”
Then you’ve not been paying attention! LOL
I don’t think I read your every post but if I have I’ve forgotten, getting old ain’t for wimps.
^^^I know this a fake.^^^
Take the american Flag down and I will be happy.
I wouldn’t.
That was a fake me from one of the assholes on here (flip – pogo) who spoofs folks’ screen names.
I figured as much.
Thanks Pogo for showing how desperate you are and what a DESPICABLE TROLL you are by spoofing my posting name.
I’m a pedophile!
Sticking it up your ass would make me more happy.
^What he said!!!!!^
Make it stoppppppppppppp! I no longer care, hell fly Haley’s panties off the pole, but stop talking about it non-stop.
They are no longer of this Earth. They have gone on toba “higher” calling. You see, with primaries Round the corner, along with multitides of career oppurtunites from ambassadorships all the way to VP, they have become encrusted with the cum of many potential benefactors. As such when atop a flag pole or like device, they stand straight out, even when no wind is blowing. Upon learning ofthis, NASA request and received them. As some of you may recall, shen man landed on the moon in the late 1960’s, the flag planted there had a device to hold it straight out from the pole since there are no winds on the moon to blow a flag as there are here on Earth. In the event that NASA needs a pair of women’s panties to fly from a flagpole on the moon or like body in the future, they now have the means to do so, without having to use a frame, rod, or other apparatus to suspend them with no available breeze.
No flag talk, not as many hits….there was a reason ole Will made it his theme for the last three weeks….now even he is complaining…but it’s like he spilled the milk….
Folks got in another “horrific”. Even the AP doesn’t use that term when discussing the incident. Well at least it is now “the myriad” and no longer “thy myriad”.
“……That’s when a bipartisan, biracial compromise took the banner off the dome (and out of the chambers) and hoisted another version of the flag at its current location….”
C’MON willie, If you are going to stay in the middle of the road with the facts then how about add the fact that the African-American Monument was part of the deal
http://www.sciway.net/sc-photos/richland-county/african-american-monument.html
As for Cockroach Rutherford’s proclamation that the deal is “… the flag and the pole…” I was unaware that he had been appointed Governor, Speaker of House, President of the Senate, Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, the fattest ass at the Krispy Kreme counter with the authority to issue any type of proclamation
For the record I support only one Flag – The Flag of the United States of America
However if we are going to get into the business of censoring, banning and burning, then let no flag of any type, except the US Flag, fly anywhere, anytime within the 50 States
As to the evil which results from a censorship, it is impossible to measure it, for it is impossible to tell where it ends – Jeremy Bentham
Sir.A HOME RUN!
Do the big money boys EVER lose in South Carolina?
I didn’t think so. Not since 1895 or thereabouts anyway.
Occasionally, but only when they are legally removed from office.
True enough. I really meant collectively.
The big money crowd losees a lot. it is surprising how the local boy or girl can keep these seats for a long long time.
They keep those seats for a long time, because they once they are elected, they can continue to build their campaign funds, making it difficult — if not nearly impossible to unseat them. Only a couple cases can I think of, did money not win. Both cases had elements of abuse, whether legislative power or campaign funds.
just fucking brilliant! REALLY? god? Substance? LMAO!!!
The closest to brilliance I ever see you come, is your somewhat creative aliases. LMAO!!! LMAO!!! LMAO!!!
But really, who gives a shit? Take away the thrill of the argument, who gives a shit?
Cant we just all get along?
Does Todd Rutherford know that he can go fuck himself?
” last month’s horrific, racially motivated ”
Everyone drink.
Do you have any spare change? I’m running short of a change and would really like a bottle of Moet & Chandon Dom Perignon by Karl Lagerfeld. :)
Go ask Ms. Pinckney, I think she had a couple cases delivered last week.
Squishy your jokes are Carlin like – I can’t help but laugh even when they are in bad taste!
George Carlin used to be funny, now he’s just an old man who is an irritating bitch.
He’s dead!
See how much I’ve missed him.
He’s only been dead since 2008.
Well, you learn something new every day. Tells you how much I gave a shit about him.
now he’s just an old man who is an irritating bitch.
…with a funky smell for the last 7 years.
If any Confederate flag stays up at the Statehouse after a racist mass-murder by a proven flag-worshiper watch for the NAACP national boycott of SC to really gain some sympathy and teeth. But I suppose our convention centers and arenas could still have gun shows and tractor pulls and country music and evangelical snake handlings.
How about whites just boycott the NFL and NBA? It would shut this economy down and Vegas, the MOB/ bookies would eliminate the democrat party.
Go for it. Just try.
Petition is already circulating.
Petition? How pathetic.
I can’t wait to visit Columbia next week. I bet the Confederate Flag looks beautiful this time of year.
There were five police cars at the flag two nights ago and four last night. If the trend holds maybe you’ll get mugged.
LOL!
What are you,homeless? How would you know that dipshit?
Soft Sigh is the David Brock of the SCGOP. A turncoat, especially in the privacy of his own home-and on a anonymous blog.
Thought Sybil was? She posted that she had all kinds of dirt and files on her enemies the other day?
When people threaten to sue you, i.e. GOP Chair, you have a tendency to save copies of those conversations.
Wow.The SC GOP Chair threatened to sue you? What did you do? What defaming and libelous comments were you guilty of? Something similar to the false allegations you made against that tv personality a few days ago?
Interesting.You must be somebody important-in your own mind. :)
My only claim to fame: I hang with ruffians like you, right here on the Grand Ole FITSNews comment section.
While you are reading — please click like on this comment. Your opinion really matters to me.
Are you stupid? You cannot even figure out the obvious?
It is ok with me.
But no one cares about you.
You are so quick to spill nonsense.
You provide easy set ups.
Any jumble of words is a set up to you and your retorts are without fact, context or bearing.
They are meaningless bable just like your argument.
If it doesn’t pass soon, it won’t pass at all. Going after monuments and the Dukes of Hazzard, et al stuff has shifted the momentum I fear.
BINGO!! You American hating socialists are NEVER happy and you overplayed your hand again.
Same with gay marriage.
You do know that many of the members of the Women’s National Team you were cheering on up-thread are gay-married, right?
No.Two.One married.You can’t tell by looking at them?
“If it doesn’t pass soon, it won’t pass at all.”
That was always the case, but for a different reason.
I’ll bet there is a flurry of activity at this very moment.
When it is not this it will be something else. The progressives are already talking about trying to take down the statues. And even if the progs say “No, no just the flag”. You know that in just a few years then it will be the statues.
This is nothing more than another fault line that the progressives can put pressure on to separate two groups of people. That idiot Dylann Roof killed 9 people in a church in Charleston and the progressives are not happy that we didn’t have race riots in Charleston. So they have to get the people worked up about something so it became the flag.
Look at all of the fault lines that they have created and exploited and continue to exploit to fracture our society and pit us against each other.
Men against Women
Blacks against Whites
Whites against Hispanics
Rich against Poor
Man against Nature
The list goes on. All the time taking away liberties when they can and throwing fuel on the fire by getting people dependent on the government dole and then saying conservatives want to take their money away.
We keep falling for it and here we go again. The residents of Charleston did the right thing when Dylann Roof murdered 9 people at a bible study. Maybe it’s time for the rest of us to do the right thing and try to heal this state.
Die off, dinosaur. It won’t hurt so much then. Your time is over.
South Carolina and Mississippi–your last redoubts–even those will fall. It is a funny turnabout of history: here the barbarians resided inside the now-breached gates.
How brave you are little man, how brave you are on this anonymous blog.
Look around, little Dick.
They are all brave souls on Fits. Little PP boys in real life, clutching to anything, such as this blog, to give their life meaning.
You’re aborting your babies at butcher-shop levels. Especially in the monolithic-voting black communities. And homosexuals cannot produce children, except through artificial, unconventional or unnatural ways. They are only a tiny, and irresponsible-prone, part of the population anyway. Not likely to produce much of a voting black.
Why do you think Obama has to bring in illegals, and then pray they vote D, even after they become self-reliant?
If the Hispanics coming in, get a foothold, and then tell you lazy-ass, handout taker Democrats to kiss ass, you sure will be shit-out-of-luck, won’t you?
I think you’re in MUCH worse shape than the media is telling you. The states that vote ‘R’ are expanding, so we can fight the Feds fiercely (See Alan Wilson.) And where Republicans rule, there is wealth. Your states are going bankrupt.
Liberal failure will eventually collapse on itself (See Greec.). And then you’re FUCKED.
Once again the TRUTH!
p.s. this is way above Soft sigh From Hell’s pay grade.
You’re aborting your babies at butcher-shop levels.
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half of the abortions are performed on and by Republicans.
Link to statistics or it didn’t happen. If you really cared about facts you would know that the abortion rate is the lowest since Roe v Wade, but African American women are still 5 times more likely to terminate their pregnancy than their white counterparts. Many of the delusional posters on here will view this as conservative propaganda, but they will be incapable of disputing the facts.
I’m inclined to believe you didn’t happen.
Cite your source please.
Southern Ohio GYN stats? (Get it, southern Ohio, all the southern girls sneak up to Ohio) – only kidding.
Why would you think statistics wouldn’t work in this case?
Cause I’m a racist?
I’d never believe that. Not after having read more than just a few mature, relatively sane missives from your pen.
Gaussian distribution is the default when facts to the contrary are not presented.
I hadn’t finished when I hit post. ..
This is the best study I’ve seen on the subject but even it is likely biased slightly. https://www.aei.org/publication/abortion-rates-and-voting-behavior/
American Enterprise Institute
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Biased slightly.
You’re even more understated than Bez.
Always look at the data, use the analysis with tounge firmly in cheek.
Does it make sense, in the Republican “practical” world of economics and “me first” politics, that Republicans wouldn’t avail themselves of abortion, and be discreet about it?
And, in this same vein, of “if you sell it, they will come,” would you really think that Republican medicine would lack for high priced procedures of any kind… transgender included?
By the way, have you looked at the data the BFO has on the Sasquatch?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2dE74RiFqA
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reload, fire!
reload, fire!
reload, fire!
fire at will!
Your reply only confirms my point. Your words show that you are only interested in forcing your will on others for the perceived power that it gives you.
If I give up the flag willingly as a showing of good faith to those who through their faith kept the peace, then you are not the one with the power but the people of peace are.
I predict that if the flag comes down that it will not satisfy you because you will have lost your power to control people. You will need to continue to rouse the rabble and so you will set your gaze on some other made up injustice in order to try to regain your power over the rabble.
And so you are nothing to me but the lowest form of human. Even lower than ambulance chasing lawyers.
If you gave up the flag willingly there would have been none of this. No, it’s “We want more and more flags and monuments to the lost struggle for white supremacy!”. You and your ilk rejected a respectful move to a respectable display in a dedicated museum. You and your ilk.
Piss off you little weasel. You are shit on a stick, just a no it all brat screeching like a cat in the tub.
You meaningless little prick looking for affirmation on a blog. How pathetic.
Now be reasonable, JustMe’s not quite that bad.
How wonderful it would be if we all met. We could pick out the mean, hatred filled losers like Soft and euwe with but one look. They would be the pathetic ones with sorrowful eyes, and a losers posture.
It is always interesting to meet up with some in person. I stopped going to political meetings – of course, I was going to the hard right meetings. The ones you say pledge of alliance, pray and the leaders curse each other out, or others absent, just before adjourning the meeting. No thanks.
Sure that wasn’t Planned Parenthood board meeting?Seriously…if you spoke at those meetings like you post on here they probably thought you were some kind of demented spirit like a Sybil. :)
I have never been a part of planned parenthood, was a member of a Right to Life Group in FL, so get your facts straight before you flap your jaws. I ran into some real life Sybil’s. You were probably one of them.
God.What happened to you?
Why is it that when people disagree with you, you feel the need to attack personally? I see your comments about pills, booze and what a dead beat mom I am. You are so full of hate and ugliness, you turn more people away that you will ever bring into the fold. Your personal attacks are only a sign that I am winning and you are afraid. So by all means keep at it.
“Why is it that when people disagree with you, you feel the need to attack personally?”
Because Pogo is a troll who needs to be banned from this site because he’s single-handedly ruining the comments section.
Ban pogo.Ban the Bible.Ban the American Flag.Ban the Confederate Flag.Ban Dukes of Hazzard.Ban churches.
BAN POGO!
LOL – I wouldn’t give him that much credit. He’s single handedly trying
Then again, it is very likely I am replying to Pogo AGAIN.
I can spot you clench-jawed haters and slack-jawed droolers a block away.
How nice for you,
The Red Badge of Courage is a war novel by American author Stephen Crane (1871–1900). Taking place during the American Civil War, the story is about a young private of the Union Army, Henry Fleming, who flees from the field of battle. Overcome with shame, he longs for a wound, a “red badge of courage,” to counteract his cowardice.
Nikki Haley is a Henry Fleming. A traitor to the voters of SC on this issue. Will she return to the battlefield of TRUTH and do the right thing?….’counteract HER cowerdice’ ???
Did you call me a traitor? You little rat, how dare you bite the hand that feeds you? You’re fired. Pack your shit and get out!
even in camo?
Euwe and soft would be the ones riddled with despair, wickedness and envy. That is the essence of their hate. That, and small PP’s/
flag.
staysUP!
you fucking flag.
We could all talk about why liberals are so hateful and physically ugly.
Sounds fun however you do know we would have to pay the tab for the freeloaders?
How wonderful it would be if we all met.
TBG would worry that Soft Sigh from Hell would drag him out of the reservation’s synagogue and toss him in a FEMA camp…
Mention my name, and I’ll see to it you’re made a trustee.
“neo recontructionism”
The Ministry of Love awaits TBG.
The are just forced-labor and re-education camps (in South Carolina, education camps) and not death camps. The last are far too rightwing for us.
“Uhhhh…the officer in the death’s head beret looks like my old buddy Euwe Max….”
As I was saying for you and your ilk it is not about the flag. It is about controlling the masses and stirring them up. As long as there is conflict then you and your ilk in Washington can continue to force your will on the rest of us in the name of peace. But there will never be peace as long as you and your ilk are controlling the government.
When “We the people” realize what is happening, and we are, then we will rise up and we will vote you and your ilk out of the government. Then there will be peace.
Obviously, you were schooled by a liberal teacher. Your ignorance is showing.
1. BLACKS owned slaves
2. First slave trader in the US was A BLACK MAN
3. BLACKS owned whites through indentured servitude
4. Washington owned slaves (there goes that damned Washington Monument)
5. Grant and Sherman (Union Generals) owned and used slaves before, during, AFTER the Civil War
Many on the left are invested in this cause beyond all reason. It somehow validates them to champion the removal of the flag. It makes them feel morally superior.
It is very sad when one thinks about it. They are so invested in an old flag which no one in their right mind actually cares about, save a few activist. But they have lived lives insufficient to bring upon themselves acclaim, so they seek validation by screaming these worn out arguments into a computer screen…day after day after day.
To be a Democrat:
black must hate white;
woman hate man;
poor hate producer;
taker hate payer;
young hate mature
lazy hate worker;
liberal hate Christian;
job-holder hate job producer;
criminal hate law-abider;
gay hate legitimate marriage;
decadent hate decent;
guilty hate the innocent…..etc…
Without polarization and hatred, the Democrat Party would not exist.
Some remain optimistic that the flag gets dragged down very soon:
http://www.thestate.com/news/politics-government/politics-columns-blogs/the-buzz/article26552302.html
Some are and perhaps they are correct. Time will tell but I think the questions is much closer than many would acknowledge.
I believe you are correct.
TBG remains pessimistic that the flag gets dragged down soon.
When it is not this it will be something else. You know conservatives are always plotting ways to splash their ideology in other citizens’ faces.
It is already a Confederate Museum and a Secession Monument in play. Next it will be a 10 Commandments monument and maybe a Jesus statue at the Statehouse.
We’ll withdraw troops if we can have a three-mile buffer zone… kibbutzes in zone… we’ll stop illegal settlements if our kibbutzes are no longer shelled… we’ll allow negotiations if we are recognized as the master race, and you recognize in writing that our God is better than your god.
Progressives and Democrats want not just to change America, but to fundamentally transform it. And they seek to do so under an ideology that has killed more people in the last one hundred years than have died in all the wars in the history of the world combined: Socialism.
Socialism under Hitler murdered millions and set the entire world at war.
Socialism under Stalin murdered upwards of forty million people.
Socialism under Mao murdered over sixty million people.
Socialism under Castro continues to murder people today.
Everywhere socialism goes, it kills.
Yet Socialism is what Progressives and Democrats like YOU want for America.
Too bad you aren’t a student of history, so you could be embarrassed by what a miserable, ignorant sycophant you are revealed to be by that.
LMAO!
Will Hillary use Nikki Haley’s move to take down the flag, as the Democrat’s biggest, and only, accomplishment, other than the hated Obamacare and Gay marriage, as her rallying cry.
Sure sucks to be a stupid Democrat, doesn’t it? You’ll be as bad off nationally soon, as you are in S.C. Does the term “unelectable” seem familiar to you? It should.
Hate, ignorance, racism – Republican national family values.
You foolish man.
And thuggery. It is always a laugh to see a southern conservative call someone else a “thug.”
They learned rubber and glue in grade school, the sum of their learning.
Move to SC Max!
I don’t own enough guns yet.
She needs a babysitter or someone to raise her kid.Don’t fall for it!
My husband is retiring, so keep babbling.
That guy has to be a saint to let you sit on your ass all day and post on Fits 24/7 with a kid at home.
Or just doesn’t give a fuck?
I do not post on FITS 24/7. If you had a life, you would be less concerned with mine.
Well, if you move to SC you just may need a gun. I never owned one until moving here and more specifically in recent years as violent crime is very high in some areas.
America fought a war to end slavery and won. (Democrats supported slavery. Republicans opposed it. After the war, the defeated Democrats formed the Ku Klux Klan. Funny how white Americans today are still blamed for the slavery of a hundred and fifty years ago, yet never thanked for sacrificing their lives in order to end slavery.)
America won two World Wars, and put an end to Hitler’s socialist Nazi party.
America stemmed the tide of communism and provided safety for thousands of Vietnamese refugees who would have been murdered by the communists of North Vietnam.
For centuries, America has given freedom and hope to the oppressed; hope and joy to the suffering; and liberty and opportunity to people of all races and nationalities. The proof of her greatness can be found every day in the millions of immigrants who flock to her shores seeking the freedom that America offers.
Yet Progressives and Democrats want to change America. Doesn’t that make you just a slight bit suspicious?
America fought a war to end slavery and won. (Democrats supported slavery. Republicans opposed it. After the war, the defeated Democrats formed the Ku Klux Klan. Funny how white Americans today are still blamed for the slavery of a hundred and fifty years ago, yet never thanked for sacrificing their lives in order to end slavery.)
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why, then, aren’t the liberals interested in “their” Southern Heritage? Why don’t “they” want to fly “their” flag of racist recession?
America was born a religious, God-loving country and it remains so today. Progressives and Democrats, on the other hand, have rejected God and embraced lives of sin. They support and encourage abortion, racism, intolerance, promiscuity, homosexuality, government theft, and a host of other ills, and then project the guilt and self-hatred they feel for embracing these sins onto a hatred of America and its religious heritage. Because Progressives and Democrats falsely believe that God has rejected them, they reject God.
Oh.Liberals want the American Flag DOWN. This would makw it easier.
Republicans have perverted Christianity into a confession of blind political hypocrisy in the service of hate and self-righteous “heritage.”
Together, Progressive and Democrat men and women hate America, because it reminds them of all the positive qualities of strength, self-reliance, and kindness they lack the courage to develop in themselves. Like rebellious children who must depend on their parents for survival, but hate their parents because of it, Progressives and Democrats live in a state of suspended adolescence, forever running from the responsibility of motherhood, fatherhood, and limited government.
Eternal torment in a lake of fire awaits the Republicans for their denial of Christ.
Even Jesus cannot abide today’s Republican.
The stench of sin and sulfur is too great.
Eternal torment, if it didn’t already exist, would be forced into existence concomitantly with the existence of Republicans.
Open your mouth and wicked shit spews forth. How sad for you.
are you sad for me? awww… how sweet…. bless your heart.
If you support Progressivism or the Democratic Party, then you also support socialism. And if you support socialism, then, by definition, you also support the socialism of Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Castro, and many others. Is that something you can live with? Are you ready and willing to forgive yourself and return to the One who calls you?
He’s waiting. He’s been waiting. The first step is simply to say, “Please, God, forgive me…”
socialism
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You have no idea what you are talking about – if someone should come upon our conversation, they may think I’m as stupid as you are.
However, if all you want is to spew your bullshit to those who will accept your conservative argot as science – I do take paypal.
BTW, government-educated dumbass, Jim Crow laws were written and voted into existence by DEMOCRATS.
Now run on back to Kos, as it’s time for George Soros’ wax job – and you know how cranky he gets if he doesn’t get it on time.
Better take your patch kit and an air pump, too – just in case Markos’ anatomically correct Obama blow-up doll has sprung a leak.
BTW, government-educated dumbass, Jim Crow laws were written and voted into existence by DEMOCRATS.
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Does ignorance run in your family, or are you the first to go to Bob Jones?
Give it a rest Sean.
Republicans are big on perversion. Look at all their restroom romancers.
We do – it’s the Rainbow flag.
ALL Ku Klux Klansmen vote GOP now.
They voted for Obama.
Even Senator Bird? He voted Republican while he was serving as a democrat?
You are too dim to know what “now” means? And it was Byrd, doof. But I guess you have just heard the name, on Limbaugh.
No. Democrats are not willing to acknowledge their racist roots because they know that they will never be elected if people are reminded that they created many of the horrible human rights abuses and racial policies in our country. They created the problems and now claim to be the solution. Meanwhile their liberal policies are leading us down a path to socialism.
They claim to be the party of equality but their stance on slavery refutes that. Not to mention the Jim Crowe laws and their views during reconstruction.
They claim to be the party that wants to save the environment but a Republican created the EPA.
Civil Rights advancements in SC in the 60’s were made because of the Republican Party and republican appointed Judges. Judge Simon’s was a Republican appointed federal Judge that decided many cases in favor of minorities in SC.
While the national party may have made great strides under the leadership of Kennedy the SC Democratic Party was behind the times and any changes that they have made was based on an effort to get elected and remain relevant.
Can you name any racist legislation that was passed by Republicans that can be compared to slavery or the Jim Crowe laws?
Can you name a racist group in SC that has done more harm than the democrat created KKK?
Can you name an elected Republican that created more atrocities against minorities then Ben Tillman?
You point the finger of racism at Republicans but you can’t cite examples of it. When you are called on it then you resort to name calling and suggest that we forget the past. I can understand why you want people to forget the racist past of the Democratic Party.
Can you name a racist group in SC that has done more harm than the democrat created KKK? Ah, just a guess, but the GOP House in the State Legislature!!! Didn’t they fight since 1990 to keep it up?
You think that a flag flying over the Statehouse or on the Statehouse grounds has done more harm than the KKK and all of the Democratic sponsored legislation since before the beginning of this nation? What a joke.
Rocky is losing his mind over this flag shit. It has been twisted into garbage by the Right and he seems so sybil.
A joke he is.
America fought a war to end slavery and won.
Cool story, bro.
The fact is the South seceded mainly because of slavery…but the North waged war for power and $$$ —imperialism. Slavery’s end was a by-product of Yankees winning the war–not the reason they fought the war.
North waged war for power and $$$ —imperialism
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…ironically, the South is totally on board with that… and has taken Republicans into their hearts as lovers are wont to do.
A true irony that the South sends many of it’s men to overseas theaters in the name of “patriotism” for the cess pool known as DC.
It’s a “tradition” – soon to be “heritage” – of dying for yankee imperialism.
The repugnant public display of hatred by euwe is palpable, measurable and revolting. He is obviously not unintelligent which makes the folly of his hatred all the more disgusting.
Euwe, the floor is yours. I leave before the hate and bile that you spew harms me.
Have you met Squishy123?
That candy ass would be cowering in the corner if that transgender moron had.
When do the flaggerstanis’ Klan confederates (small “c”) get here? I may have to go by and see that menagerie.
Has Todd Rutherford replace Ravenel as Will’s idol?
Todd Rutherford is just the squeaky wheel right now. He’s trying to grab all the spotlight he can before people remember he’s just a fucking small-time defense lawyer who will defend anyone who hands him money.
No, not hardly. Rutherford doesn’t have an F’ed up enough personal life for that. He would need a baby mamma at least.
Hurrah! Hurrah!For Southern rights, hurrah!Hurrah for the Bonnie Blue Flag that bears a single star.
How attached are the self-claimed heritage types to the Tillman statue?
Any strong opposition to moving it to Edgefield County?
Only if the African American monument is moved to the Slave museum in Charleston.
You’re not a heritage type. We know what the “in your face” crowd wants.
I’d have black Marines topple Tillman’s statue. Or black Citadel cadets. All a la Saddam’s.
But given the choice of a sedate moving to Edgefield, what would the heritage-types want?
One suggestion, bring body bags.
You’re one of those change history types aren’t you. If it’s not politically correct, it must be changed.
“Who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.”
– George Orwell
be careful with that pen – you’ll put your eye out!
Black Clemson agriculture majors. That would jostle old Ben even searing in Hell.
Why, they’re spending money at his school.
Will Folks made himself a self-appointed prophet to say…stars-and-bars
stays and “all hell breaks loose”
But REAL SC conservatives will keep the REAL flag UP and go
through PC Folks like prunes through a goose !!!
‘Real’ conservatives are shit. Nice analogy.
“The consensus among lawmakers is the S.C. House will wait for the state Senate to pass a bill sponsored by Sen. Vincent Sheheen, D-Kershaw. The Senate could send that bill to the House as early as Tuesday.”
Why in the fuck would this 2x loser that called the governor a WHORE have ANY say about this subject?
Apparently one compromise is taking the confederate flag down and putting the SC state flag up on same site,Sheheen wants flag POLE removed.
Tell woman hater Sheheen to go to hell!
I hate women too, I called Nikki Haley a traitor! LMAO!!!!!!!
Nothing “conservative(s)” about the Confederate battle flag, which was for big government of the worst sort, one that denied people liberty and freedom. What you are is a reactionary, at a minimum.
Poor losers trying to save some sort of racist face.
Hurrah! Hurrah!
For Southern rights, hurrah!
Hurrah for the Bonnie Blue Flag that bears a single star.
The flag will be almost as rare as a statewide elected Democrat in SC, won’t it?
At least we can be proud of our U.S. Women’s Soccer team, winning the World Cup.
I’m embarrassed for America with such a polarizing president since 2008. And a Democrat Party that cares only about its greed and power, while screwing the working people.
Shame and failure have been abundant from our president and his corrupt and selfish minions, but at least these women made us stand tall, even if our Democrat leaders are a disgrace to this country.
Nobody but elementary school parents give a shit about soccer, and that’s only if the league doesn’t allow teams to keep score. I didn’t even know the World Cup was even going on… or that there was a women’s version.
It’s a big deal in Mexico apparently, so expect it to get a lot more popular here.
Shouldn’t be an issue until we become a “sanctuary” for illegal aliens like San Francisco.
On people feeling polarized is a small sliver of angry, aging baby boomers. Understanding the minority you stand with helps understand the rest of the country.
ooooooohhhhhhhh…. pretty!
The “take it down” crowd on Fits are of the deranged type. They are like boys and old men that are consumed by porn-they are obsessed by it and believe everyone else is too.
I think the flag should come down, but I have made a reasonable assessment of the facts and have taken my decision. I hope my side prevails but I will not perish if it does not. As mothers are fond of saying, life will go on.
E Max and Soft Sigh and others are obsessed with pushing their sophomoric thought process onto the rest of us and they know no boundaries as to their vitriol and arrogance. They worship their cause like the seedy fellow worship his porn, or his drugs, or any other vice or fetish. They believe, fervently, that their thoughts matter, but reasonable people know that the flag may come down IN SPITE of fools like they.
When all is said and done, if the flag comes down, it will be despite the crazy assed malcontents like E Max and Soft as they simply don’t matter to anyone. They are the sideshow, the self-obessed and simple minded hacks that scream into humanity, hoping for an meaningful and eternal answer but only recieve in return a glance of disgust.
After reading the piece at NYT about white supremacists, I just hope the FBI is monitoring this site for leads.
roger….we are concerned however about your communications with ISIS…please call us….BR-549
There is nothing–nothing on God’s green earth–that these conservative clowns like less than even a smidgeon of their own medicine. Oh, they do howl!
But, like secondary explosions after a mortar round, their howls of discomfort and discontent give us the satisfaction of having hit the mark.
They of course are completely (stupidly or dishonestly?) blind to the similar sins of their side. No, they see them not.
Howl on, unhappy curs! It makes our Monday morning brighter.
“. . . unhappy hinds,” would have worked better. Ah, well.
Citizens united provides a jackass with a vote for every dollar he owns, his power is increased, such that if he has no dollars, his vote is worthless by comparison.
Today a man owns a jackass and he is entitled to vote; but before the next election the jackass dies. The man in the mean time has become more experienced, his knowledge of the principles of government, and his acquaintance with mankind, are more extensive, and he is therefore better qualified to make a proper selection of rulers — but the jackass is dead and the man cannot vote. Now gentlemen, pray inform me, in whom is the right of suffrage? In the man or in the jackass?
The Bonnie Blue alternative is like rewarding temper-tantrum-throwing-toddlers with a lollipop when they give back the toy they stole from the other kid. Ridiculous!
I take it back. It’s like a Bonnie Blue pacifier. Just leave the pole up and hoist a big smiley face flag. Done!
https://www.etsy.com/listing/179614527/crochet-blue-elephant-pacifier-bib?ref=market
Fine, then we’ll just leave it as is.
Nah — it’s coming down. But the nays (Harvey Peelvey … ) can all get a Bonnie Blue Binky for when they can’t find their thumbs.
https://www.etsy.com/listing/179614527/crochet-blue-elephant-pacifier-bib?ref=market
The Democrat Party has become of group of Nazis who do nothing constructive. The Democrat Party exists to interfere in the lives’ of other people, and impose their opinions and their will, in order to disrupt the lives’ of others.
Racist hate is the very stitching that holds together the GOP Big-Bigot Tent.
Not really, its actually hate of blacks, browns, gay people, poor people, and anyone who is not a Christian or whom they determine is not Christian enough for them.
Affordable healthcare, equal rights, 5.3% unemployment. Yeah, real haters.
Yeah Obama did all that… without control of the Legislature.
stupid and full of the wrong information= Will Folks!!! Research the Bonnie Blue before you put out the wrong info. Yes Sir Mr. Rich ill keep writing them you keep sending checks. Vouchers got shoved up our azz maybe WE can be a GOODALL and save evil SC
Screw that. I have not real issue with the Bonnie Blue flag. But it’s not on the agenda. The issue today is to vote to remove the traitor flag and replace it with the US flag, or take down the pole. Now if they Sons of the Confederacy think they need some flag at their little monument, let them have their elected officials take it up next Spring. If there’s support for it, it passes. If there’s not, it doesn’t. Let people have time to think about it, get some feedback from all concerned. But there should be no compromise. This is not about history, it’s about healing.
Healing? The ‘healing’ was the deal in 2000. Democrats lie.Only way they can get elected.
This debate is NOT about healing or the confederate flag.It is about whether ELECTED legislators will allow themselves to be blackmailed by leftist socialists that seek the eventual elimination of the American Flag and further erosion of the cultural foundation of this country.
Oh can I jump in? You’re full it. This is about healing. The 2000 deal was just that, a deal in 2000. Everything changed last month. Forever. Period. No one is blackmailing anyone. This is driven by the members of the Senate in a show of respect to their fallen member. Period. It’s further ignited a feeling in younger SC residents that they want to move past it. They don’t want wait any longer. Get over it, get them to put your little Bonnie dress up at a later date. Your precious “southern” heritage has been allowed to linger around for one reason: tourism dollars. Who the heck do you think visits plantations around Charleston, and civil war sites like Ft. Sumtner. It ain’t rednecks wanting to connect with their heritage. It’s Yankees driving down I-95 visiting Charleston with their wives. Ask the average SC middle school student what the Hunley is, they’d say it’s a soft drink.
Everything changed last month. Forever. Period.
Oh.Then I guess the immigration debate changed a few days ago-FOREVER-PERIOD…when that felonious illegal immigrant ,in that ‘sanctuary city’ San Francisco, murdered another American.No amnesty…close the borders!
Thanks Rock!
Flip – we ain’t talking about immigration here. That’s another topic for another day. Yeah, let’s close the borders and deport 11 million people because one guy killed someone. Can we deport all the rednecks then because Dylann killed 9 people? Cool with dat bro!!!!
One other person is typing – get on with it – I don’t have all day.
Trying to find an ATM?
Just using your logic Rocky.Why would you want to DEPORT LEGAL citizens?
Same topic.Leftists like you hate America and are trying to destroy the institutions/cultural/moral foundations that make this country great…and safe.
I love America. I think it’s the greatest country in the world. Our cultural and moral foundations are fully intact. Our institutions function well. Take the SCOTUS for exaple, did exactly what they should have done. Great institution. Additional loving couples have access to marriage – loving couples a great moral foundation. Immigrants are the bedrock of who we are, we have always been a nation of immigrants – that cultural part of our ever-changing fabric is just fine. Relax!!!! No one is coming to get you.
You sound like a spoiled brat. “MY WAY!!!” “I WON’T COMPROMISE!!!”
Sounds like you need to get your ass whipped.
“Our Advise? Lawmakers don’t need to get cute with this debate. Take the banner down. Do it now. Don’t insist on anything in return. And then move on to addressing the myriad of issues which make South Carolina one of the poorest, least intelligent, most underemployed, most dangerous states in America.”
Damn good advice. Legislators need to pay attention. Don’t let this Sons of the Confederacy crowd (or whatever they call themselves) hijack the discussion. I know that this is all those fuckers have; it’s what they live for, but bringing the flag down is what’s best for the state. It takes the issue off of the table for the idiots that defend it and takes it off the table for the idiots who use it to gin up support for whatever is pissing them off on that particular day.
Just take it down and move on…
“And then move on to addressing the myriad of issues which make South Carolina one of the poorest, least intelligent, most underemployed, most dangerous states in America.”
FORGOT YOUR NEXT LINE BRO:
Problems that can only be solved, however, by lawmakers doing worse than nothing- cutting taxes, cutting incentives to get companies to move here, cutting school funding, and cutting any funds to poor people.
Replace one Confederate banner with another? Typical.
I give up. I am tired of asking Republican ass holes to just do the right thing for this state. Leave the damn thing up. The sooner minorities realize Republicans will never consider them the equal of white people, the better off they will be. They need to defend themselves. The National Republican Party wants this flag down. If that’s the case taking it down is probably a bad idea.for everyone except Republican donors.
That’s the spirit!!!
The Bonny Blue Flag or the more appropriate BIG RED SC BATTLE FLAG is the correct and only acceptable compromise. Big Red is the best as it has been used by all SC Citizen Soldiers of all races. It has history before and after the Civil War. Big history for everybody. Plus: it’s just the same SC State Flag only Red in Color. Simple Solution!
Sheheen’s a genius, I wonder if the Legislative Black Caucus knows about his findings?
“The number one indicator of how you’re going to vote is not how wealthy
you are, how educated you are. It’s not your position on issues, it’s
not your belief in environmental issues or public service — it is the
color of your skin. That’s the number one indication of how you’re going
to vote.”
black lives matter burns American flag.
http://www.theamericanmirror.com/video-protesters-chant-black-lives-matter-while-burning-american-flag/
Rocky will love that.Word is he used red,white and blue charcoal this weekend when he grilled wieners and the Constitution.
I would not burn the Constitution. And I cooked hamburgers, not hot dogs. I see that link has you all stirred up. Yeah Flip, we’re coming for your flag, your gun, your wife, your daughter. No one wants to get rid of the flag. Another Straw Man issue by the fadding Tea Party. Hey, when the Tea Party is full dead after they all vote for the independent Trump – will you all change your flag from Don’t Tread on Me to – the GOP Took A Dump on Me?
Andy Shain@AndyShain
To recap: Senate has tabled amendments on non-binding flag referendum and flying the Confederate flag on Confederate Memorial Day.
Sorry Rocky.They may put two confederate flags up now! :)
Dream on. They’re “debating” meaning everyone gets to huff and puff. I see Bright-less’s “referendum” proposal was rejected. Say bye bye flag – but Guest – we’ll make sure we shred off some pieces for you so keep your Charmin expenses down.
Down in Myrtle Beach I saw a black guy driving with his white friends in a pick up truck. They were blasting rap music and had a large confederate flag waving in the truck bed. Odd.
Every version of the Confederate flag ever flown in SC represented an effort by SC to preserve a system in which white people were permitted to own black people. Slavery was the primary reason given by SC in 1861 when it seceded from the Union:
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_scarsec.asp
At one time,, the NAACP had a no compromise Bylaw when it came to anything Confederate, Just who in the hell do they think they are? A small Minority,,that’s who, a small one, there has got to be a compromise,,respect goes both ways. but as long as some in the opposition think us supporters of all things confederate are supposed to be on our knees groveling for their forgiveness or some other BS, when the Bible plainly says The son shall not bear the iniquity (GUILT), of the father, SO I care very little for their hatred.
so, itz naught th’ battle flag that is a symbol of “hate,” itz anie ol’ flag?
if the new flag is historiclly significant an’ it ain’t been “misused by hate groups,” then why th’ oppositshun?
what ’bout all dis bullshit talk of comin’ together?
caint trust a yankee or a scalawag, peoples. they aim to whipe your southern arse from th’ face of th’ earth…
Take it down or leave it up. Makes no difference. Try to erase the civil war and history much of which happened here. That doesn’t change history. It really happened. And, the pole gives people something to climb. See, that just happened. Now we have idiots from out of state trying to weigh in and have their 15 minutes of fame. It won’t do anything except stir up more bullshit. It is all a political agenda to further individual political plans. Instead of talking about the lives that were lost tragically in Charleston, it all became an opportunity for political gain, a soundbite, self-promotion and photo opportunities. Typical SC politics. And, holy shit now shockingly, Jesse Jackson is weighing in. Everybody tring to be in the spotlight. Who is talking about yhe people who died? This won’t stop blacks from being racists which they are in abundance as well as hypocritical. Racism isn’t just a white issue, but it is ok when they do it, right?? Nothing wrong with that! Again, complete bullshit! I worked with several who hate white people with every fiber of their being. This won’t engender tolerance. The hatred is too deep. The civil war is still being fought right here today. Nothing will change. Take down the monuments and rewrite history. Isn’t that pretty similar to what Isis is trying to do?