Mick Mulvaney’s Tortured Confederate Flag Stance
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While you are probably right that the electorate in general likes “clear” positions, I credit Mulvaney for having a thoughtful, nuanced view on the topic.
The probable fact that having such a view doesn’t make one successful in politics shows why the system is dysfunctional.
The above sounds indefinite because fits left the most important sentence.
…he left that out?
I’ll tell ya, I really loved coming here to read the latest happenings in our state government, specifically the uncovering of corruption, malfeasance, etc.
I felt like Folks was doing the job that the MSM wasn’t…and he was for a time….I’m not so sure anymore.
Yep. He hasn’t reported on the last two months SC employment data either or the 1st quarter personal income. He also hasn’t report ed that SC finally paid it’s $977,000,000 debt to the federal unemployment insurance fund. Back when we incurred the debt, he reported it.
agenda’s…..everyone has got one. The questions is always how badly you fight reality to maintain it when it’s clear that it’s not fitting.
It’s very tough to be truly objective…for everyone.
I may be paranoid, but the last time he reported on SC employment, it was good news and he buried under a bunch of other stories. It was only in the Carousel for about an hour before being booted to the lower tier.
I have no doubt that Will is at times influenced by commenters, for better or worse. What he does surrounding that influence is a mystery to most of those here, with the obvious exception being his inner circle.
People like to make fun of “conspiracy theorists”, but you would have to be a fool to think conspiracies don’t exist, and further, one should always inform themselves on the active efforts that even our own gov’t(Fed) have engaged in to smear anti-war protesters and others that speak out against its agenda/”security” interests.
So with all that in mind, I’m fairly certain that I had some ‘adversarial’ comments in regard to Trump removed…there’s always the chance that Disqus, which is flaky at times…was the culprit…but when Will is getting a check to feed his family and it’s possible that a comment of mine might put that in jeopardy I can’t help to think he’d nix it.
It’s his prerogative to do, it’s his site. But there’s a certain degree of success the site has(IMO) in the “free market of ideas”, that was built around a relatively edit free comment section.
I guess we all have some paranoia….the question is whether it’s justified or not.
:)
Captain Renault is shocked to hear that Folks would modify a statement to suit his agenda. Shocked I tell you.
Except that never happened 15 years ago. That agreement did not satisfy anyone. In fact the argument there was actually an agreement among anyone other than a few legislators is bogus.
The above sounds indefinite because fits left the most important sentence.
Position of most South Carolinians – “take down the flag.”
Position of may South Carolina politicians – “the flag means many things to many people, and many people have many feelings, and hate is not derived from a flag, but from inside a person, and we don’t support hating anyone, and many people have a heritage of peace and tranquility, and I’ve spoken to a lot of my constituents and they have strong feelings on both sides of this issue, and we are a tolerant people, and we love everyone, and we need to allow the process to work these issues out…………. and I’m having a fundraiser at Datil Pepper BBQ next Sunday – ya’ll come.”
To remove the American flag? That is really what this is all about.
Wait–he didn’t realize until the last few days that the flag means different things to different people? He is even dumber than I thought.
The only thing “on the move” about little Mulvaney is his bowels.
“Some of my friends are for it and some of my friends are against it and I am standing with my friends.”
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It’s a lot easier to change a flagpole than it is to change people.
I think his only concern regarding the flag removal is his concern regarding how many votes are at stake. And yes, the flag is no different than a Nazi symbol, a hate symbol. I believe that SC should not only remove the flag, but make it illegal to display a Confederate flag, a hate flag, a stir the pot flag. May the families of the nine that died be given the strength to make it through, but also to realize their loved one’s deaths helped to change things for the better.
Please stop with this ridiculous analogy of comparing a nation bent on conquest and genocide with a nation seeking independence while clinging to an immoral form of labor beyond its historical expiration date. It is truly apples to oranges.
Not only that, but said nations was warred upon supposedly for having the immoral institution of slavery by another nation that also had it…lol
The CSA was bent on keeping slavery as its economic base, break the Union and establish other pro-slavery states. Nazis used slave labor in their weapons industry and intended to rid the world of Jewish people .
In Germany you are arrested for displaying the maxi flag – period – move on you lost !
“The CSA was bent on keeping slavery as its economic base, break the Union”
Could you explain to me how CSA slavery would break the Union economically?
If the only thing you have to compare Nazi Germany with the South is that they both used slave labor, then you have what’s called a weak-ass analogy. I guess history books should now say things like “The Romans and Greeks were not much different than the Nazis.” Or “colonial America is just like the Nazis; they both used slave labor.”
It’s a ridiculous analogy only used by the uninformed.
Where is the US in 1860 were the mills located that converted cotton into cloth? What would happen to those mills if they were no longer able to get the raw material? So your “base” was an entire system that covered the North as well as Europe particularly Great Britain. Read the editorials of the Northern papers when SC seceded. It was not about slavery but about the loss of tariff income to the US. Remember that there were no income taxes in those days.
The Supreme Court ruled that neonazi skin heads can March with a swastika through a Jewish neighborhood in Illinois. I don’t think your proposal has a chance.
It’s too late. All rebel flags should have been outlawed in 1865 on the basis of the treason they represented.
The chance was missed. It’s all conflated with free speech now.
This all could have been avoided with the simple task of lowering it to half mast upon the Governors decree. It didn’t because of the law in place. It was a slap in the face to see the Flag waving so high and proud when all the other flags were lowered to honor the people murdered.
Then to not be lowered again out of respect as the fallen Senators body was displayed in the rotunda is the final straw. Good ridence to something so defiant in the face of pain.
Good Ridence
It has never been lowered in the past. They can’t even lower it physically because the pole is not designed that way. Had they lowered the Confederate flag to half mast, it would have generated more controversy by people saying “how dare they use the Confederate flag to honor this man.”
Face it, people just wanted to be outraged. And one of the silly things they chose is “they didn’t fly it half mast.”
By the way, it’s spelled “riddance.”
Well, let’s be honest Mick….Dylan wasn’t the first, the only, or the last.
http://www.jessejoyce.com/v2/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/kkk.jpg
More than 1,600 Whites are murdered by Blacks each year. Blacks murder Whites at 18 times the rate Whites murder Blacks.
About 1 million Whites were murdered, robbed, assaulted, or raped by Blacks in 1992. In the last 30 years, 170 million violent and nonviolent crimes were committed by Blacks against Whites in the U.S. Blacks under 18 are more than 12 times more likely to be arrested for murder than Whites the same age.
Some 90% of the victims of race crimes are Whites. Blacks commit 7.5 times more violent interracial crimes than Whites, although they comprise only one-seventh of the White population.
On a per-capita basis, blacks commit 50 times more violent crimes than Whites. Some 27 million nonviolent crimes were committed in the U.S. in 1992 alone. 31% of the robberies involved Black offenders and White victims; only 2% involved White offenders and Black victims.
1.3 million of the 6.6 million violent crimes committed in the U.S. each year are interracial. Between 1964 and 1994, more than 45,000 people were killed in interracial murders in the U.S., compared to 58,000 Americans killed in Vietnam and 38,000 killed in Korea.
Oh, yeah, you live on that same site as Roof, right?
You and Jared Loughner are peas in a pod.
“Blacks commit 7.5 times more violent interracial crimes than Whites, although they comprise only one-seventh of the White population.”
This dullard is too dim to notice that this is about what you would expect from a random–nonracial–selection of victims.
Trying to walk the thin lie. The Beasley syndrome strikes again.
Knowing his district, I say for all practical purposes, he did as well as can be expected. Mulvaney is is no rocket scientist, but he does possess adequate political acumen to know better than to get caught with his pants down, with a political blonde in the back seat of a ’57 Chevy on Saturday night.
The campaign to eliminate the Flag of Southern Heritage is really just a thinly-veiled campaign of ethnic cleansing.
“White”, though, is not really an ethnicty, a race, or even a culture. It’s some made-up bullshit, foisted on the public by a bunch of European immigrants in the late 18th Century, to complete the cultural genocide against American Indians, and to keep the black man in shackles — along with the darker-hued Indians and Indian-mixed people who could not pass for “white.” The shackles were real up until Emancipation, including for some Indians — then meaphorical after that, especially after the imposition of Jim Crow laws.
It’s all an historical fraud of the worst kind. Unfortunately, so many people believe themselves to actually be “white” that, for all intents and purpsose, that’s what they are.
I’m not “white”, have no desire to be “white”, and don’t give a damn who thinks I am. But I do recognize I have more privileges and even rights, in reality, than those deemed to other than “white” by the dominant society. “PC” talk calls that “white privilege.” Not all that’s “PC” is valid, but that certainly is. What we’re seeing now is a massive freak-out over a major roadblock set up to the “white” supremacists letting their unearned privilege run roughshod over all others.
Spoken like a rabid, hateful bigot.
Congratulations on your self-hate and guilt. Do you feel the same way about “black culture”?
So your theory is the Republicans who run this state are trying to kill off all the white people? Wow that is is scary.
Admit it. You’d put global-warming heretics in prison if you had the chance.
I don’t know, what are global warming heretics?
Further, what does that have to do with a Republicans conspiracy to kill off all us white guys. That’s the story i am interested in.. I saw Kingsmen, and that was a black guy, so I could see how that could happen.
Watched the Sermon. I’m a 60 year old white guy, SC native. I’m reasonably certain that I’ve never been as specifically proud of a President of the United States as I am at this moment. But, can you imagine being an 8 year old boy having to sit through that entire service Iin a tie and wool pants!?! (The horror…
It was good and gutsy in its numerous topics. It’s what the funeral audience needed and wanted to hear and he gave it to them.
The country needed to hear it too. But, they might not want to hear it as much.
To stay off topic, our Emanuel 9 victims’ families are so much better human beings than the 2 victims (the one young man was the exception) of the Boston Bombing I saw the other day after Tsarnev’s sentencing. They are already on their way to professional victimhood 2 years post bombing. Our people will move on and do good for others and continue to inspire us all. The Boston victims will just whine about their ‘unseen wounds’ as Tsarnev sits on death row for decades.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_automotive_assembly_plants_in_the_United_States
Where the foreign manufacturers are located help you understand why SC, MS, AL, TN have been jumping so fast.
And, that explains the political waffling.
The first response from the politicians was to pander to their right wing voting base. Then, their real masters in the business community jumped in with both feet.
That is the only explanation.
These Southern states will do what BMW, Mercedes, VW, Nissan, Honda, Toyota, Volvo and Hyundai tell them to do.