GOVERNOR: “WE ARE NOT GOING TO ALLOW THIS SYMBOL TO DIVIDE US ANY LONGER”
|| By FITSNEWS || Saying “the 21st Century belongs to us,” S.C. governor Nikki Haley called on her former colleagues in the S.C. General Assembly to remove the Confederate flag from the grounds of the S.C. State House.
“It’s time to move the flag,” Haley said. “We are not going to allow this symbol to divide us any longer.”
A version of the flag has flown on the north lawn of the State House since 2000, when a bipartisan, bi-racial compromise moved it from the State House dome (and from within the chambers of both the S.C. House and State Senate).
Haley’s call – news of which was reported exclusively by FITS – comes in response to last week’s horrific, racially motivated shooting at the Mother Emanuel AME Church in downtown Charleston, S.C. There, nine black parishioners – including S.C. Senator Clementa Pinckney, the church’s pastor – were gunned down by Dylann Storm Roof, a 21-year-old white supremacist.
“In no way does he reflect the people of this state,” Haley said of Roof.
Haley threatened to call lawmakers into an emergency session to address the flag, although it’s not clear whether she has that authority. In 2011, Haley’s attempt to bring lawmakers back to town to pass her watered-down government restructuring bill was struck down by the S.C. Supreme Court.
Prior to Haley’s announcement, leaders of the S.C. House of Representatives agreed to take the flag down – although they have yet to say whether they plan on pursuing options to do so immediately.
According to the House plan, the banner would be moved from the capital grounds to a government-run museum – the Confederate relic room.
One lawmaker – S.C. Rep. John King of York County – said he planned on introducing an amendment to the resolution governing the recent adjournment of the General Assembly putting the removal of the flag on the table immediately.
King’s amendment would require a two-thirds vote of both chambers of the legislature – and that would only get the issue on the table.
As for a vote to take the flag down, the 2000 compromise stipulated that two-thirds majorities would be required to move the flag from the State House grounds – although the constitutionality of that provision has been called into question.
During her reelection campaign last year, Haley rebuffed efforts to remove the flag. Prior to that, she had previously gone on record supporting the flag’s presence on the State House grounds. As recently as three days ago she was still noncommittal on the issue.
We don’t begrudge her for flip-flopping, though …
Prior to the “Holy City Massacre,” this website was indifferent to the flag.
“State leaders can leave it, move it, burn it or use it as a bath towel for all we care,” we wrote back in 2011.
In fact as recently as March of this year we were blasting the NAACP for their continued singular focus on taking it down.
But things change … and we reached the conclusion in the immediate aftermath of this tragedy that our indifference about the flag was standing in the way of “the legitimate angst of others.”
“Whatever people think the Confederate flag stands for, perception is reality – and the reality is it’s being used as the calling card for a dangerous, deadly new strain of racism, one intent on depriving black Americans of the most fundamental liberty of all: The right to a beating heart,” we wrote. “Hoisted by the state in 1962 as a rebuke of the civil rights movement, there is simply no compelling reason to leave this banner in place – and its removal imposes no hardship upon anyone’s freedom. Lawmakers should take it down. Now.”
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Why is Bobby Jindal attending a speech about removing the confederate flag from the South Carolina Capital?
That’s an old photo.
Fits find some random picture to post with a story? Well I never…..
He’s used this one about a dozen times, probably because he is sentimental about her delicately, long, manipulative fingers. She has magic in those fingers.
Dude – gross.
Nikki is proud of her fingers — she stretches them out at every photo opportunity, and she has something special she can do with them.
I’m covering my ears now.
So, Rocky, you’ve met her too?
I prefer men-Sanford is cute.
Here’s a different look for you to ponder —
You obviously didn’t watch what she had to say.
Cuz Jindal needs a sound bite, fast. He realizes no one considers him relevant or electable. Also, he needs a job.
Who is he again? Isn’t he the councilman in Baton Rouge?
I don’t know. But I do know how people will react to situation like the massacre instead of responding to it. It seems to me that all of these politicians, groups, news outlets are running around in circles, looking for something else to drum up, to incite and bring attention to other things they feel are connected to the terrorism in Charleston. But that’s just my observation based on past experiences and what I am seeing in this matter.
All the liberals are going crazy that SC is acting like reasonable people as opposed to the other areas where there was rioting , burning and looting. It sells better on the 6 o’clock news. Plus the race pimps gets to line their pockets.
I would like to think Nikki rose to the occasion, but in the back of my mind is the question: Does she think she has a shot for a VP slot?
The alpha and omega of everything she does is about furtherence of her political career or her finances.
You make a good point however i give her the benefit of the doubt for what she has done for SC and the vicious way she and her family have been treated by her political enemies.
Because of her self-centric philosophy, she has received the vicious attacks. I once supported her and (regrettably) defended her when Will first told his story about their affair. The woman is beyond evil. She despises state employees and retirees, except when they happen to be her, her family, or one of her overpaid cronies.
I wonder what the sperm count in Michael’s mouth is when he kisses her upon her return from one of her many “business” trips, out of state.
Interesting. Thanks.
Don’t be so hard on the beaver.
That was Ward’s job.
The sexiest thing ever said on early 60’s TV was “Ward, weren’t you kind of hard on the Beaver last night”.
In face your post so inspired me that I’m going to check from my ‘sources’ for more dirt about Nikki. We don’t need her working a way up to a higher office.
ewww… gross.
Nikki “rose” to the occasion after she was dragged there.
That’s more than every other governor we’ve had in this state has ever done at least give her credit for that.
Like 10++++
I find it a bit odd that the liberal/socialist racists like yourself are 100% on this flag shit-while the same damn people are gonna see their Obamacare Medicaid end next week when SCOTUS rules.
Shit rolls downhill and once the subsidies are eliminated the expanded Medicaid is gone as well.
No worries though.Who the fuck needs health insurance now that the flag is gone?
You people are fools.
You are a dumbass. You don’t have a friggin clue as to what you are talking about.
HA HA!!! Flag down!!! Obamacare DOWN!!! Thank you Jesus!!!
Yup I’m a big dumbass!LMAO!!!!!
Well admitting it is half the battle. Seeking counseling and help is the other half. Do you need a referral?
what’s that about counting chickens before the eggs have hatched.
This is flip/pogo we’re talking about. The same guy with a hundred fake user names trying to be a different person. The same guy that tries posting as registered users trying to discredit them. Forward thinking is not one of his strong suits.
Really, I have no life. I just sit here stuffing dollar menu hamburgers in my mouth while typing away and watching Fox News. I think the chair has slowly grafted into the skin on my wide load ass, so I can’t leave even if I wanted to. If Haley triples taxes I might get more food stamps though, so I might as well cheer her on! LMAO!!!
Dipwad – we’re talking about the flag. We can discuss the SCOTUS next week when the rule.
Man, the world might benefit if you renewed your prescription.
If shit rolls downhill then I’m at the bottom of the Mariana Trench! LMAO!!! LMAO!!!
Nope. Not I. She only did the right thing because the support ended for the wrong thing. Not the stuff that leaders are made of. It’s just politics for her.
She is doing it as a Christian that loves the people of SC and to make sure South Carolina is not looted and burned to the ground by blacks and the paid Democrat Party paid hacs/protesters/voters.
We comin’ fo yo white butt firs, Miter Tango. We knowz where yo lib with dat udder man. We comins to gets ya.
Dylann – stop. Enough is enough.
Nikki rose to the occasion after the National Republican Party called her up and said if you want a future in the Republican Party that flag will be down by the end of the week. We will not have all of our candidates being asked flaq questions.
You are 75% there. :)
knuckle dragged is more like it
She is making plans for the continuation of her political career. Money is one reason. The history of those who must vacate because of term limits as repeatedly taught us what to expect.
Is she is picked as the VP slot n the Republican ticket it is only going to guarantee one thing, hello President Clinton.
No one in their right mind would vet her in my opinion. It’s one thing to get elected as a Republican in brain dead SC, the national stage in a whole other matter. I think she just has too much baggage for any serious candidate to take her seriously.
It will be fun to watch her stand around with her finger in the wind to find the apparent R frontrunner who she will then all of a sudden support. If she had any real backbone or leadership she would get behind a candidate now in my opinion.
Neville chamberlain: If we just appease these nazis, they will give us what we want.
Ted E Bear: If we just remove the flag from the statehouse, all these problems will go away.
Nobody believes that. It could be a step in the right direction, though.
And we can thank God that we’ve finally got peace in our time…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYh2Z1Itqv4
While the Flag is being moved, can we also move Haley, out of SC…please?
Flag is gone-Obamacare is gone.Great week!!! Thank you Nikki and SCOTUS!!!
Praise my goddess Nikki for raising our taxes too! We need to fork over more of our money to the government without actually fixing its problems first! Haley hu akbar! Haley hu akbar! LMAO!!!
I agree that the flag should come down, but Nikki says it’s time to remove it because it is politically expedient for her to do so-period.
Just like it was politically expedient for the politicians to put it up in 1962. Period. The flag on the state house has always been political, not historical. The only difference is, the public Haley is appeasing is demanding unity and the public the legislators in 1962 were appeasing were demanding the opposite.
They polled this issue. Then all the pols did the calculations about who will get the power, money and status, and hence, the flag comes down. (I think the flag should have come down years ago) The process is one of calculation and self interest.
This putrid, vapid political atmosphere dismisses the truly important acts of forgiveness family members. This will not help race relation one bit…but it will be hailed as the greatest move the planet has ever seen.
PS…does anyone think that Mr. Roof shot those people because the flag flew at the state house?
This is just one of the many posters claiming they’ve always been for the flag coming down, but then feeling the need to explain that it’s a meaningless gesture.
That seems rather odd.
One wonders why they feel this” need” to express the futility of it all.
Personally, I believe most of this is simply people pissed off that it appears that the flag may come down, but play this rather silly little game as we see above.
In other words,
Cut the crap!
I’m sure he got a hard on every time he drove by it.
“I get hard every time the wind blows.” – Reggie Hammond.
“Not a very popular place with the brothers.”
I saw the paycheck which was of $7147@mk4
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Does anyone not think that Roof didn’t hold that flag dear to his heart as symbol for hating black people? Proof’s in the photos!!!
He burned the American Flag.I notice that doesn’t bother American hating socialists like you.
Oh it most certainly does. Then again, someone who things the civil war isn’t over would likely do such at thing. Remember when you and your buddies did it?
I want higher taxes for everyone because I’m secretly a liberal! LMAO!!! LMAO!!!
You dirty socialists better shut up or you will blow my cover!
Proof in the photo’s? Like Obama and Rev.Wright or Obama with his Director of Riots,Flames and Looting, Al sharpton?
Confederate flag, pro-Apartheid flag, Rhodesian flag, definitely no racism linked there!
Roof burned the American flag.
Then he displayed and honored the Confederate flag.
And then he murdered nine, innocent black Christians who had welcomed him into their Bible study.
I don’t care who gets the credit. But the right thing to do is bring it down. Period.
If you are looking for reasons why that imbecile shot someone you should go to the internet. Perhaps we should just close it down too.
Too bad for you, dummy.
Some commentaters on Fitsnews would like to kill each other..!!
Is the internet a Government owned property?
Tennessee Democrats are calling for removal of Nathan Bedford Forrest from their statehouse:
http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/politics/2015/06/22/tn-democrat-time-to-remove-forrest-bust-from-tn-capitol/29120011/
And here is the Statehouse grounds in Alabama, where the flag Haley wants to remove is flapping in the breeze today:
http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/picture-gallery/news/local/2015/06/22/confederate-flags-fly-on-alabama-capitol-grounds/29124889/
Somewhere, Todd Kincannon is having conniption fits. Bless his heart.
It’s too bad that the Commander of the State SCV missed a golden opportunity to move his organization from the 19th century into the 21st. He does not speak for us all. There is no shame in moving that flag, with dignity, to the museum down the street. Let us not mock what Lee did for Ours at Appomattox. Let us resolve to move on from henceforth together. Only then will we move forward At All.
One of the few things I dislike about Lee was the surrender at Appomattox, The South could have continued to fight another 2 to 3 year war of attrition against the North and probably a 30 to 50 year gorilla war. At some point they would have decided the South was no longer worth dying for and just said go it on your own.
I agree. We could have killed a lot more of those traitor southern SOBs that way. We probably wouldn’t even be having this debate now.
Sherman!!! There would have been nothing left. There was pittiful little as it was…
Oh, no. Look how fast we recovered from Hugo.
yeah, that would have been better.
I think Sherman had the right idea.
Holy F-en Crap. On Breitfart – people are going ballistic against Haley. They’re calling her non-America, non-white bitch. Unreal. And most of those folks probably don’t live in SC. Go check it out. Now Haley and others in the Legislature can see just how hate-filled the Tea Party types really are. They sure is lettin’ their true colors out today.
Sorry, I would not click on Breitbart on a bet, and hesitate to pity Haley on account of the vitriol there.
I doubt our legislators would be shamed into taking down the flag based on what they might read in the Breitbart comments. Hell, they might even up-vote some of them.
Fits has said worse about her. Don’t be a pussy.
You lookin’ in the mirror again? Are you waxed? Brazlian or full bald.
I had to stop going to Breitbart months ago because once it opened it locked up my computer.
They banned me.
I miss you…
… it was a personal crisis.
Sorry, but glad you’re back…
back?
Yeah, you spice up the threads….
did I go somewhere?
you said you were gone and your postings have been light
oh… yeah, that.
My brother died.
Buried him in Lubbock, and then took my wife to Tucumcari, to show her this:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/Tucumcari_Mountain,_Quay_County,_New_Mexico,_2011.jpg
http://markstravels.com/blog/wp-content/gallery/tucumcari/tucumcari-mt-at-sunset.jpg
My thoughts are with you. Those photos are both inspiring and peaceful. Someday I may be able to get farther west than New Orleans. Thanks for sharing.
I’m not put off by death. When I was a small boy, my puppy was run over by an 18 wheeler. My dad went out in the street to get it and laid it on an egg crate. I stood there and watched him die. I was moved by the look in his eye, as though he couldn’t understand what he might have done wrong, but he was sincerely sorry.
I felt the deepest sorrow – not for the loss of my puppy, but for that look in his eye. I remember his last breath to this day.
I learned an important lesson that day.
When my father died, I didn’t cry. I understood. The same when my oldest brother died of cancer, and my mother died of old age after a year of Alzheimer’s. I understand.
I have an idea of what I will feel if I know death is within days or hours, or seconds. It will be a sadness that I will no longer be able to rub Republican’s ignorance in their faces… but at least I will know that I’m not being punished for something – that’s more than my puppy got.
The fight is here – for the quality of life for all of us.
Thanks for sharing — I’ll reply tomorrow.
Can they do that? Just for reading it?
Well… I might have left a candid comment or two… I don’t recall.
I understand…
I was the ONLY one that called this yesterday.She has a Christian soul and loves the people of SC.
She knew it wouldn’t be long before the riots,looting and fires started in Charleston and Columbia.She has an obligation to protect the citizens of SC-even if being blackmailed to do it by the race hustlers/Democratic Party.
The fix was in when RINIO losers Romney and Bush spoke about this-Hillary can’t win in 2016 and the ‘establishment’ wants this to go away.
You are doing the right thing Nikki before Obama and Lunch give the ‘wink’ for another Ferguson/Baltimore. America is proud of you.
If she wasn’t that most precious of Republicans, a minority token…or token minority, they would have been calling her a non-white bitch a long time ago.
But, Republicans looove their tokens. They think that proves they aren’t racists.
Blacks have been ‘tokens’ for the Democrat Party for 50 years.Where has it got em? A ride on the perpetual welfare train and 70% of black homes without a father.Violence and unemployment.
You are one stupid fuck.
I will still ignore you GT even when you pretend to be someone else.
Although, I can’t believe you have actually started cussing and not @*$(O&E%(_&%_()
You are #1 on Fits for posting liberal,racist bull shit and then running from a debate. A typical liberal.
HE did earlier today. He’s back in full – LMAO!!!! #$)%*#$)(!!!!
Not the real GT. Just Flippy posting under another alias.
We need to arrest all white people that are Christians and whose children attend Sunday school after we take the flag down.
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Um… the White House?
Well now the NCAA should allow post season sporting events played here. I always thought USC deserved the world series playoffs.
Will depend on how big the check is to the NAACP,Clinton Mafia Foundation and Al Sharpton.
Governor Beasley should get the credit, it was easy for Haley to call for it now. Beasley went to war over it, and was mortally wounded. Thanks to assholes like Courson and McConnell, we’ve had to endure 20 more years of this shit. Thanks for nothing, you jerks.
The end is near.
I wonder if John Courson will be drummed out of the Sons of Confederate Veterans? He was standing front and center right behind Haley.
Sorry, He must to of had a hard on thinking about the uniform and Haley’s ass.
Courson wants Haley to wear the uniform while he rams her?
Aside from the flag, which I do not even give a hoot about, the more I follow what Haley says and does – the more I see how wishy washy and unstable she appears to be. In my opinion, she is a nice attractive and outgoing woman, but needs to focus more on how to rationalize and prioritize things that are much more important than some 150 year old flag.
Save it for a vote by the people of South Carolina. After all, its not “We, Nikki Haley” or “We The General Assembly.” Its We The People. And we are not truly represented by our elected public servants. They do what they damn sure will. Voters and what they want mean nothing to them … until election time.
Moving the flag won’t stop the violence. The flag didn’t make anyone do anything. Just like guns don’t kill people, people kill people. There is evil in this world and it’s getting worse every day. This country needs to get back to what it was founded on and pray that God will put his hand back on this nation. That is the only way!!
Good point.Haley got em all again.
Replying to your own anonymous posts don’t make you appear any more intelligent flip/pogo.
You mean re-instate slavery? Dylann – I told you not to post until after 9 p.m. for Christ sake.
You’re right. Laws are futile. Praying to a sky wizzard makes much more sense.
I pray to that sky wizzard everyday and thank god I am Gay.
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Actually, the crime rate in the US is the lowest it’s been since the 1950s. Our world is demonstrably safer than it has ever been. Technology has done a lot to make crimes of the past almost impossible nowadays and it’s also made it nearly impossible for a criminal to “get away and start over” somewhere else. We’re all connected and monitored. We always hear about the evil side of that, but there is a good side, too. We are a lot safer than we were in the 70s or 80s. Personally, I think “getting back” to any time where there was more crime and violence would be stupid.
You idiots voter her back….haha
What option did we have… Sheheen?
Anyone that chose Haley over Sheheen should just give up voting… you’re not good at it.
Where was Henry McMaster???? creep
I agree the flag should be moved. I want people to note some facts. 1. ALL slaves were brought to America by Americans, under the flag of ” The United States of America “. 2. The United States of America, ” wiped out an entire civilization ” formally known as Native Americans. 3. ” IF YOU EVER think they are going to stop, you need to think again.
What a dumb ass.Worry about that flag while your FREE Medicaid is gone next week.Bye Bye Obamacare!!!
Typical style of residents of Bullshit Mountain. Jump up and down rubbing in a victory that hasn’t come yet, then when that victory is in fact a defeat, they claim conspiracy and corruption. Over the weekend there were many neighbors of 2 step tango on here claiming the debate over the flag was pointless because it would never come down… political suicide… locked in place by law… blah blah blah. Obamacare isn’t going away no matter what the SCOTUS rules next week. It may be changed or reworked, but it’s the law of the land. You’re just setting yourself up for massive angry disappointment. Oh, and one more thing…. Hillary Clinton is about to be president because of people like you forcing any decent Republican candidate to be so radical in the primaries that they don’t stand a chance in the general. Thanks!
Actually, almost no slaves were brought to America under a US flag. Remember, slaves were not brought into the US by law after 1808 and we weren’t America until 1783. Most slaves were imported under British, French or Dutch flags.
OK, my bad. ” No slaves were brought to North America ” under a Confederate flag. I must say, In the day, late 1700’s, Prominent men from the future USA, were interested in the use of the negro for various reasons. OK with that ?
As were many people of color from Africa and the Middle East. You gotta consider history in context, slavery was accepted in the 16, 17, and 1800s. There are still part of the world where slavery is an accepted evil.
I must agree. Heck-Col – I like posting with you. From the old days, UHH-RAHH.
Semper Fi…
Spanish. You forgot the Spanish.
And more importantly, the Portuguese. I was at a swim meet during a thunder delay and the chlorine was affecting my brain.
I’ve been to Brazil. They had huge slave populations for sugar cane. You go six hours north of Rio – and the population is decidedly darker. My wife is from the Pacific side of South America – and there too – further north one goes, the more former slave communities one encounters. But back to Brazil – that Portuguese / German / local mixture – good golly those women are stunning. It’s like God let them create the most gorgeous women in the world.
Concur on the “stunning women” assessment.
HAHA! That’s one of the most ignorant posts I’ve ever read. I imagined that with the big hair from Ancient Aliens saying it.
General Lee sucks big fat black cocks in hell and Stonewall Jackson gives takes in the pooper :-)
I love it when you and SYNTwist (Frank Right) punch the clock @ Fits…evil defined.
General Lee was a Biblical Christian whose surrender at Appomattox saved this nation thousands of life.
Grant was a bumbling drunk and thus your apparent attraction.
Grant was hardly a bumbling drunk. It’s a popular myth but patently false.
If any of the generals who fought the unCivil war got into Heaven, Robert E. Lee is there.
AMEN!
Doubt it. You do realize he fought to preserve the enslavement of people right?
You do realize he had freed all of his slaves prior to the war and that the Bible provides specific instruction on the care and feeding of slaves?
Slavery was a perfectly normal institution until the late 1800s and is still practiced in Sudan and other places. It didn’t end in the western hemisphere until 1888 in Brazil. In fact the vast majority of slaves imported into the new world went to Brazil (40%). The us only got about 7% of the slaves imported into the new world. Lee said he was fighting to defend his native Virginia and don’t forget he was offered command of the Union Army prior to the war.
The bible also says a guy lived in the belly of a whale for three days.
If historical contextualization is the game you want to play then what’s wrong with homosexuality? The Greeks and Romans (ancestors of our democracy) had no issues about it or laws against it.
Lastly, Lee was given a choice of command and he refused the right path of what ultimately turned out to be liberators of enslaved people…he chose to fight on the side of slavery. Plain and simple, case closed. No amount historical apologist nonsense can deny that.
What the heck is this? A defense of slavery in 2015. Jesus Christ, can’t you guys just admit slavery is an evil practice that should have been eradicated long before it was, and move on. Who the heck cares that some places practiced this evil more than the US? Who the heck cares that the civil war did not end this evil everywhere. It ended it for hundreds of thousands. The fact that half of the country practiced this evil in the 1800s does not make it less evil.
Go party with Glen McConnell. like its 1855.
No defense of slavery just a recitation of the facts to an imbecile.
A “revision” of the facts? Facts can’t be revised. They are what they are. Perhaps you mean a regurgitation of the facts? A more apt description to me. In any event your response seems to, at a minimum, label as nobel the defense of the right of some people to treat other people as property.
Was Lee a noble gentleman? No doubt in his mind and the mind of many he was. But to me, no. He was on the wrong side of history, and he made the wrong choice. He chose to become a traitor, to his nation and to fight in defense of an institution he personally believed to be wrong. That to me is his legacy. I will not go along with “revising” history to make him a hero. He will stand in my mind as a tragically flawed character. A man of influence who should have done the right thing, but did not; and consequently played his part in prolonging what are arguably the greatest tragedy and the greatest evil in American history.
Slavery is contrary to every principal America was founded on. The only way you can reconcile the statements of the founding fathers and slavery is to believe black people are no better than animals,and do not deserve to be treated as human beings. That is racism in its purest form.
Uhm, yeah, recitation not revision – I spend a great deal of my time dealing with revisionist historians don’t like revisionism at all.
No revision, recitation. I hate revisionists historians, have to deal with them all the time.
Let’s look at his words and actions:
“The war… was an unnecessary condition of affairs, and might have been avoided if forebearance and wisdom had been practiced on both sides.”
“We failed, but in the good providence of God apparent failure often proves a blessing.”
“We have fought this fight as long, and as well as we know how. We have been defeated. For us as a Christian people, there is now but one course to pursue. We must accept the situation.”
Lee freed all of his slaves in 1862. He desired that the South allow “Negroes” to enlist as he could “…make soldiers out of any human being that had arms and legs…”. His home was seized and turned into a cemetery out of spite – he never sought any recompense. When offered the command of the Uion Army, he demurred saying he would not raise his hand against his native state – at that time most “Americans” thought of themselves as Virginians or South Carolinians first instead of “Americans”. Lee prohibited the excessive barbarity of most other commanders on both sides of the equations.
As the president of Washington College (later Washington and Lee) he repeatedly expelled white students for violent attacks on local black men. He publicly and privately urged obedience to the authorities and respect for law and order.
He privately chastised his former peers for their actions and words during Reconstruction. In a letter to Jubal Early and Jefferson Davis he wrote: “It should be the object of all to avoid controversy, to allay passion, give full scope to reason and to every kindly feeling. By doing this and encouraging our citizens to engage in the duties of life with all their heart and mind, with a determination not to be turned aside by thoughts of the past and fears of the future, our country will not only be restored in material prosperity, but will be advanced in science, in virtue and in religion.
“He desired that the South allow “Negroes” to enlist as he could “…make soldiers out of any human being that had arms and legs…”.
I am not sure why anyone considered it a good idea, to ask black people to fight for the continued enslavement of black people. Had the Confederacy done that, I assume many white slave owners would have ordered their slaves to fight in their place or at least continue to serve them as a servant while they fought.
“His home was seized and turned into a cemetery out of spite – he never sought any recompense.”
In all fairness he was at least partially responsible for the death of a lot of the people buried there. No doubt many on the Union side considered it justice that the military leader of the rebellion be forced to live in the shadow of the graves of those he fought so valiantly to kill.
Also, I just attended a funeral at Arlington two weeks ago. It was inspiring. Many families would consider it an honor to house the bodies of so many fallen heros and honored dead.
“have spent considerable time studying many of our greatest leaders, Lee clearly ranks among them.”
So to me that just compounds the tragedy. Leadership for the wrong cause. Without his leadership, the war may nave been much shorter, and a lot fewer dead Americans. And all that to perpetuate an evil, dying institution.
A number of black men both freed and slave fought on both sides of the war. Here’s an excellent article on the subject of “Black Confederates” from Dr. John Stauffer, Professor of English and of African and African American Studies at Havard.
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2011/09/black-confederates/
General Lee sucks big fat black cocks in hell and Stonewall Jackson takes in the pooper :-)
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you say that like it’s a bad thing.
Lol
After polling on the issue, Haley and her weak minded ilk decided to lower the flag. Look for the fund raising appeals, Sunday morning talk shows and the rest of it.
It is a political scam….at its best.
in the end the people will have died in vain.
It was 2020 and Lindsey Grahamnesty had left the Senate
after marrying his lover Elton John
And Nikki Haley—STILL desperate for a life-tenure seat—ran
for Lindsey’s…yet ANOTHER con
And her airhead (serves ONLY blacks) appointee Tim Scott was
the new Jim Clyburn for he…
Like Diamond Jim had stolen 50 mil from taxpayers several
times over—crooked as can be
And the Confederate flag Haley tried to make a PC rag–STILL
boldly flying on Capital grounds
It was crushing when those Senate votes were counted in
2020—Haley?…NO longer around !!!
USSA is land of the fee and home of the slave.
You know… this Haley chick isn’t that bad, after all.
Punkie Roof wins big. Politicians, news reporters, companies and the usual cockroach thugs are now consumed by mass hysteria.
How so? I see no hysteria except from racists on this board. What I’ve seen is a mass media almost in shock over how well SC has handled this situation from the unity rallies to the rapidity of the flag solution. If there is a “winner” from this horrible situation it’s the unity of all South Carolinians… I don’t think that was Roof’s intended outcome.
— not his intended outcome but he has created dissension and controversy
Shined a light on racist cowards, maybe. There is no dissension and controversy among the adults in the conversation, the only “outcry” is coming from ignorant paranoids like him.
Wait, Haley “flip-flopped” but you just reached another conclusion? As as for your “exclusive” on Haley’s announcement; BULLSHIT! It was all over the news this morning…
Well, well. ‘Tis a woman’s prerogative to change her mind, especially to correct herself. Now, how ’bout a little less Gun Porn in the future, while you’re at it. Way to go Oreo!
Spoken like.a true lame duck.
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