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Rand Paul Wants To “Blow Up” Tax Code

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FastEddy23 June 18, 2015 at 3:50 pm

Absolutely!

Blow up the tax code. Abolish the IRS.

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shifty henry June 18, 2015 at 4:51 pm

States, counties, and municipalities will gleefully jump into the void to help you drain your pocketbook…… they will feast, with drooling mouths, on anything that they say is fair game…..

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sparklecity June 18, 2015 at 5:51 pm

Well that would at least show how effective the local citizenry is at keeping taxes in check………………….
That being posted, we are getting “fee’d” to death by local and county governments fer sure!!!!
And every damn time the local/county pols proudly say: “We haven’t had a tax increase in years”!!!!!!

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shifty henry June 18, 2015 at 5:57 pm

x 10

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sparklecity June 18, 2015 at 3:59 pm

Throw in a national sales tax and I’ll vote for him!!!!
Something’s gotta fucking give!!
Been saying that about the tax code since 1972!!!!!!!

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Rocky June 18, 2015 at 4:04 pm

Who is this guy? Is he related to that Rand Paul guy who after announcing he was running for President vanished from the headlines? What ever happened with him anyway. Always expect to see him on of those “20 Stars who Are Aging Terribly” sites or something. Seems like years since I’ve heard anything about him.

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TroubleBaby June 18, 2015 at 4:05 pm

“I’m for a flat tax- as long as the rate is zero. The object is to get rid of big government, not find a new way of financing it.”- Harry Browne

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Torch June 18, 2015 at 4:11 pm

Need to include estate tax. Financing the oligarchy.

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Pawns Inc. June 18, 2015 at 4:42 pm

Rand Paul forgot his programming, go big or go home.

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Squishy123 June 18, 2015 at 5:51 pm

Taxing the dead is fucking criminal. I know farmers who’s families had to sell property to pay the tax for no other reason than their dad died.

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William June 18, 2015 at 6:56 pm

This is a lie, that has been repeated over and over, by folks like the club for growth. There are special rules for real farm use property to prevent exactly what you say. These rules have been in place for decades. So please cut the lies.

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Torch June 18, 2015 at 7:49 pm

He got that from Rush. Have had two parents die and didn’t have to pay estate tax on either. Threshhold is pretty high and as you said, there are multiple exemptions. Guess he wants the Kocksuckers, Soros and the rest not to pay anything.

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William June 18, 2015 at 8:11 pm

Estate tax doesn’t kick in until a single person has a net worth of more than 5 million. 10 million for a couple. In addition, if farm property is involved the property can be valued as farm use property. This will cut the value by about 80% to 90% in most cases. So a “farmer” could be sitting on about 50 million in farm property before he would have to pay an estate tax.
So much for the poor farm family put out of business, by the evil government.

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sparklecity June 19, 2015 at 9:29 am

Same here with my parents who have passed away
And the “I love Rush”/talk radio crowd laps that shit up like a kitten at a bowl of milk.
“Rush lovers”/talk radio types are even worse than liberals for spreading lies and fear mongering when it comes to shit like this

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FastEddy23 June 19, 2015 at 2:52 pm

And those “special” rules? How come this is not common knowledge? Is this some kind of secret “progressive” plot to keep the masses from buying their own farms?

You might need to understand that the Death Taxes are applied to everyone and there are no exceptions. IF your family farm is in jeopardy from estate taxes, then those taxes can be POSTPONED, but never eliminated. The best course is to incorporate the family farm for ongoing tax breaks and to reduce the Death Tax rates. (Once the hook is set, the fish can not get away.) … OR … Reach for your Second Amendment Rights, pardoner.

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tomstickler June 18, 2015 at 4:39 pm

Flat Tax — perennial hobbyhorse of the loony Libertarians.

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Children and Grandchildren June 18, 2015 at 4:44 pm

The sad part is it can take a generation or two to pull a society out of the rut of bad policy, so this half-libertarian train wreck of an idea is going to be felt by future generations. It’s coming, billionaires are paying too much to not get it and the politicians in DC don’t have enough sense to see it or enough ethics to care.

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FastEddy23 June 19, 2015 at 2:48 pm

It should not take a generation to show some short term results. Almost immediately after killing off the IRS, many small businesses will start a hiring spree … then about six months later, small business profits will show positive signs and the markets will take off (again). … then the following year, when Gruberment finally admits that overall tax revenues have not fallen much, the markets and the economy will begin a steadily increasing climb. (It says so right here in the Hoover Institute Manual.)

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MashPotato June 18, 2015 at 10:29 pm

You’ve had a progressive income tax for over 100 years. How satisfied are you with it?

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TontoBubbaGoldstein June 18, 2015 at 10:32 pm

Progressive income tax–second plank of Marx’s Communist Manifesto.

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FastEddy23 June 19, 2015 at 10:43 am

So, you think it a good idea to saddle your grandchildren with overly complicated, ridiculously unfair to the poor, tax code(s)?

See YouTube.com … search ‘Friedman Income Tax’.

(Disclosure: my tax rate, because I spend on average about $4K per year on tax lawyers, would increase quite a bit under Paul’s plan. But I for one would welcome any Flat Income Tax, without deductions, because it would cause my small businesses and the rest of the North American economies to flourish.)

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Squishy123 June 18, 2015 at 5:49 pm

Fuck income tax, make it a 15% sales tax.

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TroubleBaby June 19, 2015 at 8:32 am

Rand somehow managed to hide that his plan make employee wages non-deductible for a business. That’s how he keeps it “revenue neutral”.

What a farce.

In many cases if such a plan passed(and it won’t), it would actually increase the tax burden, especially on small to medium sized businesses.

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Tom June 18, 2015 at 7:01 pm

The Flat Tax is solely designed to increase tax on the middle class and decrease tax on the wealthy. That is all it will do. Nothing more. Republicans have become very adept making sure their tax proposals do not benefit anyone except their wealthy donors. Look at all the hoops they jumped through to make sure the average American received nothing from the Bush Tax Cuts.

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MashPotato June 18, 2015 at 10:25 pm

Why bother reading the proposal when you can echo liberal talking points?

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Ned June 19, 2015 at 8:04 am

Some people just can’t think for themselves. Tom has that problem.

Government is so large that it serves no one. Put a stake in it and let go mean and lean!

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Tom June 19, 2015 at 11:06 am

No facts! No thought! If you don’t know the facts attack the messenger. Typical wingnut. Keep sucking up that far right BS. Its easier. You probably could not do the math anyway.

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Tom June 19, 2015 at 11:03 am

Hardly liberal talking points. All you have to do is look at the facts. That is the problem you guys never do the math. Never look at the facts. The Bush tax cuts centered on dividends and capital gains, but excluded dividends and capital gains in IRAs and 401ks. The middle class earns 95% of their Capital Gains and Dividends in retirement plans. This is why 99% of the benefit of the Bush tax cuts went to the very wealthy. The middle class saw no benefit.

These are not talking points these are facts.

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MashPotato June 19, 2015 at 11:14 am

You’re not wrong about the Bush tax cuts. You’re wrong about Rand Paul’s tax proposal.

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Tom June 19, 2015 at 6:17 pm

No, I’m note. 83% of the benefit of the Bush Tax cuts went top 40% of earners. 67% went to the top 20% of US earners.

Specifically

40% of the benefits of the Bush tax cuts went to the top 1.00% of US earners. Those making more than $620,000 per year.

27% of the benefits of the Bush Tax cuts went to the to the next 19% of earners.

16% of the benefits of the Bust Tax cuts went to the next 20% of earners.

The balance went to the bottom 60% of US earners.

These cuts resulted in huge deficits to benefit very few people.

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Tom June 19, 2015 at 6:22 pm

I apologize, I read you as saying I was wrong about the Bush Tax cuts. I will reserve judgment on Rand until I see the full plan, but I have never yet seen a Republican flat tax or sales tax plan that benefited anyone but the very wealthy. Especially given what would have to be cut.

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MashPotato June 19, 2015 at 6:38 pm

Good to hear. His piece that was published in the WSJ, linked to in this article, articluates the broad parts of the plan.

There are two parts of the plan which I think addresses our shared concerns about the poor and middle class. First, the regressive Social Security and Medicare taxes are removed and paid for by the 14.5% rate. Second, the tax only affects income earned after a certain amount. The example he provided was that for a family of four, only income earned after $50,000 would be taxed. For reference, the nationwide median household income is about $43,000.

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Pete June 19, 2015 at 8:01 am

Paul is the only candidate that will change Washington. The rest are status quo folks that will trim around the edges.

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sparklecity June 19, 2015 at 9:36 am

I think Rand Paul has some way off base ideas but if his major campaign “thing’ is going to be a flat tax then I’m going to vote for him in the Republican Primary.
This country is really going to go to shit unless some SERIOUS changes are made to the IRS tax code.
A combination flat tax & national sales tax is my preferred method for revenue collection but IF Rand can get just a flat tax I’ll back him 100%
100% tax overhaul is my only soapbox!!!!!

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