PROPOSAL WOULD AMEND STATE CONSTITUTION TO STATE THAT LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION
|| By FITSNEWS || S.C. Senator Lee Bright has introduced legislation which would amend the Palmetto State’s constitution so as to affirm that life begins at conception – and extend “equal protection of the laws” to all “born and preborn” persons.
Bright’s personhood bill – S. 719 – was praised by pro-lifers.
“It is time to let the people vote,” pro-life advocate Steve Lefemine said in a statement supporting Bright’s bill.
Lefemine noted that 78 percent of “Republican” primary voters expressed their approval for such a measure during last spring’s GOP primary elections.
According to the language of the proposed amendment, the state’s constitution would be modified so that “no person shall be deprived of life without due process of law, nor shall any person be denied the equal protection of the laws” and that “these rights shall extend to both born and preborn persons beginning at conception.”
Bright and four other State Senators – Ronnie Cromer, Mike Fair, Larry Grooms and Danny Verdin – have already introduced similar personhood legislation at the statutory level.
Specifically, their bill – S. 129 – would amend state statutes so “that no person shall be deprived of life without due process of law, nor shall any person be denied the equal protection of the laws” and that these rights “vest at fertilization for each born and preborn human person.”
That bill – pre-filed last December – was referred to the Senate’s Judiciary Committee on January 13. It has yet to even receive a hearing.
What’s the difference in the bills? One seeks to establish personhood statutorily (via a vote of the legislature), the other seeks to establish it constitutionally (via a vote of the people). Of course for the people to have their voice heard on the issue, two-thirds of both the S.C. House and State Senate must sign off on their right to vote on the issue.
Like Bright, we believe life begins at conception – and that taking life (at any state of development) is the most egregious, irreversible violation of the most sacred, fundamental liberty we have. This is why we’ve consistently opposed “abortion on demand.”
Having said that, we’ve never seen a problem with women taking the morning after pill (which prevents pregnancy) – and there are obviously situations in which a woman should have a choice as to whether to carry a baby (i.e. rape and incest).
Bright’s bill would criminalize these reasonable exemptions … which is why we cannot support it.
Now, assuming a version of the legislation was offered which addressed these concerns, we would have no problem backing it – and encouraging members of the S.C. General Assembly to put it before the voters.
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Welcome to Sharia Law.
Since children are a gift from God…I have never been able to figure how an evil bitch like you was allowed to conceive.
F*ck you, dumbass.
I’ve seen more than a few that were more like curses from hell
Children in the womb? How can a child in the womb be a ‘curse from hell’? You need counseling.
I’m sure you were a delightful little child judging from the dreck you post here, ask your mother.
Obviously you’ve never had a teenager. ;-)
Honey, not everyone believes in your invisible telepathic megalomaniac middle-east sky entity. I don’t know why you evil illogical magical thinkers think your silly dogma should be foisted onto the sane rational portion of the population.
Oh Lord!
I’m about as pro life as a man can be but let’s place this aside for right now and do something about the roads, our ethically challenged state gubamint and oh, say, taxes.
Once the 555/I-77 bridge stops looking like the entrance route to Kandahar Air Base in Afghanistan, I’ll be right there with you.
Taxes are low by historical standards. We could lower them more by cutting the salary of government employees like you. I would be ok with that.
The Devil is always in the details. Would local prosecutors have to investigate every miscarriage, just on the chance that it was the result of some act of the pregnant woman?
And, would every pregnancy have to be registered — within what time frame from fertilization? Perhaps tardy registrations would be escalating misdemeanors as tardiness increases.
What would be the impact on classification of dependents for tax purposes?
Could pregnant women be enjoined from travel to less restrictive states, and what if they came back unpregnant? Could they still declare that dependent?
What a Fascist bunch of goons backing this proposal!
Every woman would have to report each time she had sex in case there was conception.
Menstruation cycles will be carefully monitored by local authorities.
TMI!!!!!!!If we can allow two same sex perverts to marry (SCOTUS asked what would happen if 2 men and 2 women wanted to marry in arguments yesterday) why in the hell can’t we protect the unborn?
Because you don’t give a shit about them after they are born.
They do give a shit, just not like normal people do. Taxpayer money helps make sure children from unplanned pregnancies have formula, food, health care, schooling, even shelter in some cases. That really pisses them off and they want it to stop. They don’t want to stop it with programs that lower unplanned pregnancies. They just want the aid to stop.
SCOTUS didn’t ask, Scalia did. But then, he is a bit nutty.
Kennedy gonna shoot that whole thing down. read the arguments…
Kennedy might say no but if Roberts says yes, who cares?
“But then, he is a bit nutty.”
A bit you say?!?!
Why can’t we cure cancer? Why do men keep pushing this agenda? If embryos are considered adults why aren’t you screaming to outlaw guns? If real Human Life is so precious why does SC still have the death row? Why do you think you can justify breaking the law if you don’t enforce others? It still applies to all moral issues. But strictly from me STFU because you are hypocrites.
Honey, don’t be a doofus. Most human embryos fail to implant because they miss a favorable window of 6 to 12 days after fertilization. Half of all pregnancies end in spontaneous abortion (March of Dimes estimate). Most embryos are never born, sweetie. What difference does it make if a woman chooses not to gestate her embryo? None.
“Every woman would have to report each time she had sex in case there was conception.”
I think every man should have to report each time he masturbates (if he is successful) as that is a potential life as well.
Forget school shootings, we need to outlaw a different kind of weapon!
and can a pregnant woman be arrested since that would entail the unlawful detention of another person?
Excellent question!!!!!
Wasn’t that how the Sofia Loren character in an old, old Italian movie kept out of prison for cigarette smuggling?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057171/
‘fascist bunch of goons’? …for trying to protect the most vulnerable among us…our children? Got beat your wife Tom and spread your vile hate of humanity among the troubled souls of your own family…let those of us that seek a better and more humane community work to those goals…
Your expertise appears to be promoting the filthy and drug/booze afflicted bike rallies that destroy communities…carry on…Woody would consider you a disgrace to THE Ohio State University.
Back to trolling anonymously, Flip?
its what cowards do …so yes..he is back to trolling under many names.
He never stopped.Back to trolling anonymously, Flip?”
He never stopped.
The only vile hate I see around here is from your keyboard.
Please explain how a mother becomes capable of hating her own child…just doesn’t seem natural…
Nor does trolling message boards under a dozen different user names.
You sure are judgemental mama-lesi…can’t focus on the issue?
POGO! POGO! POGO!
Try following your own advice!
Don’t believe in abortion? Don’t have one.
Don’t believe in gay marriage? Don’t marry a gay person.
Don’t believe in Sunday sales? Don’t shop or open your store on Sunday.
Don’t believe in drinking liqhor? Don’t drink liquor.
Don’t believe in doing drugs? Don’t do drugs.
Don’t believe in…
abortion? have one but my tax dollars aren’t paying for it and they do at Planned Parenthood…they cook the books
gay marriage? get married…don’t ask me to perform the ceremony,cater your wedding,take pics or rent you one of my apartments where my grandchildren can witness your perverted ways
booze? drink away
drugs? why you lunatics want to make it easier for children to get hooked on drugs is beyond me…
Get married? But you support bans on that dipshit!
Shhhhh… Don’t give these idiots ideas!
Pregnant women should be punished for taking a sip of wine. Pregnant women should be punished for missing a doc appt. Pregnant women should be punished if they smoke a cigarette. Pregnant women are simply vessels for the unborn fetus and should be treated as such.
Women should be punished. It’s the GOP way.
Woman have murdered 50,000,000 unborn children since Roe V Wade…
Hitler doesn’t have that kind of record.
Bless your heart.
Did you know certain forms of birth control actually cause a fetus to die?
Did you ever get past high school, honey?
But Stalin did. What’s the comparison?
God’s got him beat.
Pogo just volunteered to foot the bill for 50 unplanned pregnancies everyone, how generous of him!!!
50 million unplanned pregnancies that is
Honey, your number is wayyyyyy too low. The World Health Organization (WHO) estimates that upwards to 50 MILLION WOMEN PER YEAR WORLDWIDE obtain abortions. Undeveloped country or developed, illegal or legal, if a woman doesn’t want to be pregnant, she doesn’t want to be pregnant.
Now there’s a lot of “murderesses” running amok, sweetie. I wish them all a healthy good life for whatever decisions they have to make in this world
The abortion issue is one of the most divisive in the GOP. This Republican believes parental rights supersede the rights of their children, born or unborn.
Dogs, wimmin and a walnut tree,
The more you beat ’em
The better they be.
Yep, the GOP seeks to strip pregnant women of their human being status and all civil rights and liberties. Pregnant wimmez are just a location for the worshipped fetus.
This isn’t about responsible legislation, it’s about posturing to the Upstate’s “religious right.”
Every sperm is sacred.. every sperm is great..
When a sperm is wasted… God gets quite irate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk
LMAO!!!!!
Yes, but now women can demand an extra nine months of child support.
Did any of your dubious “details” apply before killing babies was legalized?
No, they did not. Please stop advocating for the murder of the innocent. Because God hates it. And He will punish you.
hey no prob – so US citizenship will be granted to any person conceived in south carolina right? will that include mile-high clubbers on international flights over SC airspace, or will there be a ‘one foot on the ground’ rule?
Like Bright, we believe life begins at conception – and that taking life (at any state of development) is the most egregious, irreversible violation of the most sacred, fundamental liberty we have. This is why we’ve consistently opposed “abortion on demand.”
*Poundz fist*
“It’s murder, I say!!!”
Having said that, we’ve never seen a problem with women taking the morning after pill (which prevents pregnancy) – and there are obviously situations in which a woman should have a choice as to whether to carry a baby (i.e. rape and incest).
‘cept of course when it isn’t…
I am similarly puzzled.
Some preborn children just deserve to be murdered.
Death penalty for mothers of abortions.
Life begins at conception and ends at natural death. Leave it to lawyers and politicians to screw up everything in between. WOW.
I agree. The sanctity of life no longer exists in America. Mother Teresa once said “if a mother can kill her own child, what is next”? Infanticide (partial birth) and Euthenasia (death panels). Mass shooting and rioting by children that don’t have a soul.
Read the comments by those on this article today. You will see how evil society has become.
This from the guy who just called another poster an evil bitch.
smh
That was for you…my apologies I left you out…you liberals are so thin skinned…
ahhh dumbass you forgot to change your name back to fc, or grandasshat or whatever you are calling yourself today.
At least he’s flying solo so far this morning. GT must be pulling a double shift at the drive thru today.
Mother Theresa got her rocks off on watching people suffer, why the hell would we care what she said?
Ma Teresa thought suffering brought one closer to ‘god’…that mythical megalomaniac middle-east entity.
In other words, honey, who cares what crazy people have to say.
Life begins at conception
——–
Death certificate for fertilized ovum?
Can a divided cell inherit property? Vote? Encumber a woman no matter what her circumstances? This hasn’t been thought through and in the mean time, wealthy and upper middle class women will get their “D&C” while others will have no alternative. Sharia law, control the women folk so men can feel superior.
LIKE
I believe you hit the nail on the head, Blues!!!!
If this stuff keeps up AIr Jamaica and Air Mexico will see a jump in ticket sales
That’s what the well-heeled women did prior to Roe vs. Wade (take a little week long “vacation” in Jamaica or Mexico)
While the less well-heeled were (or will be) left going to visit Granny “So & So” or left to their own devices.
In other states fetuses have had lawyers assigned while mothers were denied representation. Is SC coming to that?
Dan you love to tell lies.Please tell me which state denies citizens a public defender?
do some research dumbass…your fav word..try Alabama. Since you are the proven liar on this site its hysterical you would accuse anyone else of being a liar…hilarious.
If the blue noses have their way, yes.
:-(
Bright is a dumbass. That’s why I can’t support it.
Can someone explain to me how this amendment to the state constitution will trump the supreme court ruling in Roe vs Wade? If it is approved won’t the ACLU step in and have it revoked by the feds?
It is hilarious to watch the God hating abortion lovers on Fits try and find ways to justify killing their own unborn children. Especially the woman.
Just plain evil and sic…shows a lack of a soul…
I just asked a question based on the law, nothing more or less.
For your information, no one is FOR abortion. For birth control (which reduces the need for abortion). For a woman’s right to choose and that is legal in this country. For women not being subservient to men. The lack of soul belongs to those who would take away the rights of those who “don’t think or believe like them.” That would be you.
“For your information, no one is FOR abortion”
I am for abortion in the case of Flip/fc/Sandy/Sandi/guest, etc., etc. etc.
It’s all just posturing.
…and/or pandering, of the worst sort.
Meanwhile, roads, bridges and interstates in Bright’s Senate District are crumbling, and in such bad shape, they cannot be repaved. They must be rebuilt, though SC DOT would find that out until *after* they awarded a contract to repave, and the contractor reported back the job was impossible, wasting time and taxpayer money. Thanks Senator Dimwitt.
http://www.wspa.com/story/28885291/i-85-paving-project-delayed-again
Love this picture of the baby on the article…it will give you abortion loves nightmares for weeks….ha ha
While I understand the premise behind the amendment, I question if this is a wise move. I see some overzealous solicitors office setting up a “personhood taskforce” and start bring manslaughter charges for every miscarriage whether “natural”, the result of tripping and falling, single car vehicle accident, etc. Will Doctors be required to report all miscarriages or suspected miscarriages to SLED, The County Sheirff, DSS, and the Solicitors office for investigation. I don’t see any good that can come of this, no matter what your personal feelings on abortion. This has only the potential to create a ton of problems via the law of unintended consequences.
Sensible argument.Just like you can’t legislate morality you can’t make evil mothers protect their unborn children.
Roe v Wade destroyed the very moral fabric of this society. The sanctity of life is no longer debated or important…. mothers destroying 50,000,000 unborn children since 1972 has hardened the hearts and souls of even our children…
Yea, there were no abortions before 1972.
There is plenty of testimony of doctors who saw what women did when they did not have a safe, legal recourse to abortion.
So. Everyone is 9 months older, right?
I LOVE how these religious, careful, wonderful people show sooo much compassion for other people, until they are born, especially if they happen to be horrible, non-white (gasp) babies. And they love to tell other people to do with their bodies and reproductive rights, but if you tell them how to live their lives (ie, gun control, which would save lots of lives, btw), all hell breaks loose. And the great sanctity of life also disappears when it comes to the death penalty. How about you make up your damn mind!!!
I am against the death penalty…couldn’t sentence somebody to death…
Life begins at ejaculation. Masturbation is murder. 500,000,000,000 children are killed day by immoral masturbatiors.
Go even further back. Sperm is made by the body from calories from food. Would the plants and animals that provided the food then be somewhat responsible for the sperm.
The Pro Life crowd claims to be anti abortion, but they fight sex education efforts and contraception methods. It makes one wonder which group is really against abortion.
It’s all about their ‘I am right and I know what is better for you than you do’ mentality of this group.
These idiots belong with ISIS! Same intellectual level.
Will, why are rape and incest so horrible that someone’s life must be taken, simply so the mother does not have to deal with the “recurring reminder?” One person’s temporary loss of some liberties is not a substantial reason to end the life of another. Even if a teenager is assaulted by a family member and the resulting child will be mentally handicapped and most likely die prematurely murder cannot be justified. Only when someone is physically threatened of their life, read self defense, is taking someone else’s life acceptable; morally or (should be) legally.
You’re right – Either abortion is ok or it’s not even in rape, incest or when the mother’s life is in danger.
Actually in was saying when the mothers life is in danger there should be no legal binding to force her to continue toncarry the child. Similar thinking to a stand your ground or castle” law. In would however encourage some in my family or church to trust in God and at the very least wait til the situation quite dire.
You do indeed need to “think more.” Consider a young pregnant mother with several young toddlers diagnosed with breast cancer. The hormones associated with pregnancy would cause the cancer to spread at a high rate, most likely killing the mother and perhaps the unborn baby. If it were your wife, you go ahead and try to pray it away. If it were my wife, she and I would make the decision to terminate the pregnancy.
There’s no conception in “legitimate” rape, right?
Honey, I’m not a slave brood to a criminal. Get over it.
I have lived my life as a pro-life advocate, but one more about education v. making life choices for others. I strongly oppose these bills.
What woman would risk having a baby if her life were in danger? Or is this nothing more than slowing down population? I have no idea why anyone listens to Lee Bright. The man who blames the government for his own failed business decisions. I also liked Sen. Grooms, but I am starting to wonder what the hell he is thinking?
I personally think that life begins at conception, abortion is not a thought that I have ever personally considered an option. However, I also believe there are cases where there are exceptions to the rules. These bills are a doctors nightmare and a lawyers dream.
Just say no.
The author supports the killing of an unborn child because her father is a rapist? I don’t get it… Those among us who draw the line for Personhood at fertilization are certain
never to kill an innocent person by abortion. Those who draw that line
elsewhere will have to explain themselves to God if they are wrong. This is a
serious matter. Consider your choice carefully. http://theweeklyworldview.com
Honey, the “serious matter” is why in heck you think your belief in an invisible mythical megalomaniac middle-east deity has anything to do with my reproductive health care. Why in heck should my civil rights be dictated by your interpretation of parts of a buybull, er, I mean bible, that you choose to believe in? You magical illogical thinkers are ridiculous.
How old was your baby when you killed her?
Honey, you’re a religious nutjob. As with most rabid misogynistic pro-louts, you think the earth is only 6,000 years old, that dinosaurs romped with Adam and Eve in Eden, and that the mythical global Noah’s Flood was a real event, which deposited allllll the fossils we find in an orderly sedimentary sequence through geologic time.
Sweetie, bible humpers are tiresome, and your stupidity so downright laughable, if it weren’t for the fact that as a citizen of the U.S., you’re entitled to vote with your ignorance. You are free to live your life by following ancient laws, written in dead languages by ignorant, racist, sexist, superstitious barbarians, who believed everything they couldn’t explain in the world was magical, and didn’t know where the sun went at night. Thank goodness, the U.S. is not a crazy theocracy, and the rest of us are free to live our lives as we see fit–i’s called personal freedom, which is a threat to religious dogma. As long as people are allowed to live their lives away from the buybull and other religious tomes, religious faith gets weaker along with the credibility of religions.
Go hump your buybull, dear, you’ll feel better.
You could have saved much time and effort by simply answering the question. Your answer appears to be “it’s called personal freedom.” And if that’s what you believe, may the consequences be upon you.
Pointing out the lack of critical thinking skills and downright stupidity of silly young-earth creationists is always worth the time and effort, dear.
What does the age of the earth have to do with how old your baby was when you killed him?
Is it that you are a guilt ridden, post abortive heathen trying to find solace in arguing Bible stories when in fact you are smothered by the overwhelming guilt of your sin and lies?
Or maybe you’re just interested in science? If so, here you go:
http://kgov.com/carbon-14-and-dinosaur-bones
Honey, your link is an excellent example of young-earth stupidity! You can’t tell the difference between “science-sounding”, i.e., “pseudoscience” and actual science. Here is actual SCIENCE link on radiometric age dating.
http://www.asa3.org/ASA/resources/Wiens.html
Sweetie, the point is–you’re a religious wingnut, If you can’t understand basic earth and biological science (I’m sure you don’t understand evolutionary processes either), why in the world do you think anyone would listen to your archaic opinion on women and reproduction? I’m sure you’re clueless that most fertilized eggs never implant, or that in a quest to produce one child, a woman will spontaneously abort 5 out of 9 embryos before a successful pregnancy. Did your ‘god’ change his/her/its mind about endowing a ‘soul’ on those embryos? Is ‘heaven’ composed of gooey embryos wafting blindly about?
Sweetie, I have a doctorate in geochemistry/geology. I deal with you illogical idiots all the time–I don’t bother being polite anymore. The pro-lout movement is largely made up of silly religious wingnuts like you.
So your doctorate in Geology makes you an expert in human biology?
Stanley, silly male without a uterus, and who doesn’t gush blood once a month, or who has never been pregnant, yes, I am certainly the EXPERT on MY woman’s body and MY reproductive health needs–not a laughable male religious fruitcake.
Yet you let men tell you what you can and can’t do with your body all the time. How very sad you are.
“If you’re so worried about abortion, get snipped. There. You’ve
controlled the only body you get to control.”
If you are so enamored with taking human life, take your own and spare the rest of us.
Honey, I have nothing to do with your human life….there is nothing to “spare”. What a silly creature you are; you must be religious.
You have nothing whatsoever to do with my human life. “Women’s bodies belong to them, and only to them. What we choose to do with ourselves, what we choose to risk–pregnancy and childbirth is always a risk–is our decision.
Our bodies, our lives, our rights.”
It is NOT your body, it is your child’s body. Stop being so selfish!
“The “selfish” remark comes from a deeply ingrained biblical belief that a woman’s life is not her own to enjoy for herself….that her born duty is to spend her life serving and taking care of others. Therefore, a woman who chooses not to have kids, or limits the number of kids, and lives her own life on her own terms, is considered “selfish” for shirking that supposed predestined duty to be taking care of other people.”
How you can be selfish towards something that doesn’t
exist? “Selfish” implies you’re taking something away from someone else/keeping something for yourself at others’ expense. But there is no someone else; gelatinous non sentient embryos are not ‘people’…. who is getting the short shrift by not gestating? No one.
You have some obsessive reason for constantly bringing up religion in your discussions of abortion, as if that is the only argument you are capable of making.
I guess your supposed advanced degree in geology did not prepare for you the ability to debate or hold an adult conversation without throwing in your hatred of Christianity.
Your doctorate in geochemistry/geology had nothing to do with your decision to kill your baby. It was your selfishness that drove you to it. And you know it was wrong, yet you scream that it was right. This is why you will be condemned.
I barely graduated high school, and even I know that fertilization is an event, and not a state of being of the human ovum. A “fertilized egg” is in fact a human being.
And a righteous God ensures that those 5 out of 9 children who do not survive to implantation, (due to the fallen nature of the universe) are gathered to himself. And I’m certain that’s one of the reasons He extends His mercy to this wicked world. Because His harvest is great, every day.
And you’ll meet all those children, (including the one you murdered) on Judgment Day. Repent, or they will judge you unworthy.
“Dear imaginary sky daddy that lives in the clouds, we lift our spaghetti colanders to drain the starchy waters from your noodliness. Please accept these ignorant imbeciles, who believe myth and fantasy, written by 2000 year old goat herders, who explained away anything they didn’t understand as magic, into knowledge, and not idiocy. We ask that you allow them to bathe in the warmth of your delicious sauce. May they be touched by your noodly appendage. ‘Ramen!”–Al Becca
Yes, Dougie, you really do sound this ridiculous.
Re: barely graduated high school and silly god spiel: honey, that says it all about your level of intelligence…more specifically, a lack thereof.
Copying and pasting a pastafarian riff is evidence you’ve not matured spiritually since your college days. God is not a magician. You have Christians confused with Pagans. And while I never went to college, I sometimes hire people who have…
Honey, what you rightwing religious whackos fail to
understand, is that the freedom of religion means freedom to practice your religion ON YOURSELF.
Not on all women.
“Women’s bodies belong to them, and only to them. What we
choose to do with ourselves, what we choose to risk–because pregnancy and childbirth is always a risk–is our decision.”
The baby’s body you destroyed wasn’t yours. You may construct a “religion” that says it was. But God will correct you on Judgment Day.
Sweetie, there are meds for your condition. You do know that belief in an angry invisible deity to smite your perceived enemies is associated with mental illness?
http://www(dot)realclearscience(dot)com/blog/2013/04/belief-in-punitive-god-associated-with-poor-mental-health(dot)html
There’s help for post abortive disorder as well. (Yes, it’s mental illness to make up for your guilt over your sin by becoming an advocate for others to participate in it). It’s called repenting for the the murder of a defenseless little baby who wanted nothing more form you than love. But you gave her hate instead. Imagine how she must have felt!
Do you ever feel like you need to apologize? What will you say to her when you meet her?
No, dear, don’t be stupid. Pro-louts wail that women will be psychologically damaged by their fictional “post-abortion syndrome”, which the American Medical Association, the American Psychiatric Association, and the American Psychological Association have stated does not exist–their studies demonstrate that women who have mental problems post abortion, had those mental problems before an abortion.
You seriously need to see a therapist about these wacky religious delusions of yours to be a petty dictator over women’s
lives.
I cannot be a dictator over your life. You can do what’s right in your own eyes. But murder will still be murder, with the punishment that follows.
http://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2013/04/belief-in-punitive-god-associated-with-poor-mental-health.html
It’s even written by a ‘Christian’.
http://www.asa3.org/ASA/resources/Wiens.html
Lee Bright is not very. This is just one of the many issues that keep the republican down. When will the party tell these dam crazys to take their social issue down the road.