300,000 JOBS GO … POOF!
|| By FITSNEWS || U.S. president Barack Obama vetoed the $7 billion Keystone XL pipeline project this week – saying the 1,600-mile pipeline was not in the nation’s best interests.
“Because this act of Congress conflicts with established executive branch procedures and cuts short thorough consideration of issues that could bear on our national interest — including our security, safety, and environment — it has earned my veto,” Obama wrote of the Keystone XL project, which landed on his desk two weeks ago.
Wait … conflicts with executive branch procedures? Pot, meet kettle.
Anyway, Obama’s decision – which came as no surprise to “Republicans” in the U.S. Congress – puts the kibosh on an estimated 300,000 jobs.
U.S. Speaker of the House John Boehner – whose chamber overwhelmingly approved the project last month – called Obama’s veto “a national embarrassment.”
“The president is just too close to environmental extremists to stand up for America’s workers,” Boehner said. “He’s too invested in left-fringe politics to do what presidents are called on to do, and that’s put the national interest first.”
We agree …
While the debate obviously means a great deal to the U.S. economy, it could be a moot point for Transcanada – the company that’s been pushing the project.
That’s because Transcanada has figured out another way to get its oil (168 billion proven barrels, at last check) where it needs to go. It’s called Energy East, a proposed $10.7 billion, 2,858-mile pipeline that would carry 1.1 million barrels of crude oil every day from Alberta and Saskatchewan to refineries in eastern Canada.
By comparison, Keystone XL would carry approximately 830,000 barrels of oil a day.
This website has consistently supported Keystone XL – which would have been an extension of several existing Transcanada pipelines that run through the United States. We simply don’t see any reason why the jobs associated with its construction and operation should go elsewhere.
Apparently Obama thinks he knows better, though …
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“put the kibosh on an estimated 300,000 jobs.”
Must have been the same idiot that projected 29,000 jobs from building I-73 from I-95 to Myrtle Beach.
Exactly. How many permanent jobs for the pipeline? Less than 100. Except for the thousands created when the pipes ultimately fail and spoil the lands of those in the way.
Those would be the pipes produced in another country.
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Or that MB would die after they ran out the trash bikers?
Bikers are back in MB, pretty much as strong as ever. They were “run out” only briefly, speaking of the Harley Riders. It was a mistake, and that has been realized. You should know that, since you fancy yourself such an expert on MB and the Grand Strand, pogo.
As bad as I hate to say it, I agree with the president. The oil would be sold to foreign interests and the rich would just get richer.
If the rich get richer, everyone gets richer. Think about that guy that invented that i-phone in your pocket. He got rich from that. Is that bad?
“If the rich get richer, everyone gets richer”. No, it’s not bad. It’s just false.
I don’t have time to teach Econ 101 here. Maybe you could take a couple of Econ classes in between your shifts at BI-LO.
If I did work at BI-LO, that should be fine, because I thought BS low-wage jobs were the source of economic prosperity in this state. Nonetheless, I am sure that YOU can’t teach me anything, nor could you provide me a job.
Wrong, my dear Doodoo. Let me be the one to tell you that BS low-wage jobs are not the source of economic prosperity. In fact, you will need to get and education and learn a skill or trade. From there, you can work hard, make prudent career decisions and pursue your dreams. Merely working a BS low-wage job is not the source of economic prosperity. Good luck, Doodoo!
What do you think the rich do with all their money? Bury it in under the mattress – NO. They invest it, they buy things, they hire gardeners.
Where is Apple’s money. Short term money items. Not investments unless you’re counting the US Government.
No, not under their mattresses. In other countries, so they could skirt most of these taxes you claim are fully paid by the rich.
And wouldn’t you do that too if you knew the top tier of your income was going to be taxed(confiscated) at an insanely high rate?
i am not rich but i pay my taxes without too much complaint. if i was making enough to drive around in a jaguar and park it in front of a lake front home the last thing i would be worried about is paying taxes.
Class envy is your problem. Get some counseling.
Taxes on the wealthy are the lowest they have been in 50 years. They are absolutely not taxes at an insanely high rate. Government is geared toward making the rich richer. That absolutely does not mean that everyone else is richer. The wealth disparity in this country is near that of the days of the Robber Barons and getting worse. The middle class is failing and government policies are fostering that failure. The wealthy are acquiring a greater and greater share of the country’s wealth and government policies, influenced by the wealthy, are fostering that growth.
I have no class envy. I am simply stating facts. The country’s economic policies are not working for the average American, but they are working extremely well for the richest Americans.
If you want to get into the class warfare bull shit, I would say that the wealthy, like the Koch brothers, bribing legislators to pass legislation to make them richer at the cost of the average American, is class warfare.
My Daddy was a gardener. i’m the son of a gardener. I know many gardeners.
You are the daughter of privilege. You uncover the mattress. You invest it…..in wine and cheese. We don’t have fromagers in this country, nor do we feature fondues.
Winter annuals are beginning to appear. It’s too late to use herbicides, but not too late to prevent spring annuals with chemical treatments. Get out of your study and into your turf.
The Melting Pot restaurant chain is all about fondues. Good stuff!
My daddy was a teacher…does that make me the daughter of privilege?
If the rich get richer, everyone gets richer.
ugh… okay…I’ll try to explain. The rich are richer that they were thirty years ago in America. You with me so far? good. Now, the poor are also richer than they were thirty years ago. Yep. 30 years ago poor people didn’t have telephones. Now poor people have cell phones. Take a while to absorb this. Then we’ll talk later. night night, Dumbest.
It’s just weak that conservatives can’t come up with any other argument than the stupid “poor people have cell phones now.” Compare the cost of a basic cell phone plan today to standard land lines costs 30 years ago. Not terribly different.
30 years ago there were many poor people who couldn’t afford to have land lines.
And I’m GLAD poor people can afford cell phones now. Life is better for everyone.
LOL. Care to prove that every poor person has a cell phone? What a joke.
Of course EVERY poor person doesn’t have a cell phone! Below average people like you take everything so literally.
30 years ago poor people didn’t have telephones. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I KNEW people who could not afford telephones 30 years ago.
In the 80s Regan passed a tax to pay for extending phones to poor people. That tax still exists. It is still providing phones to poor people. What that tax can pay for was expanded under Bush the lesser. That is what Fox calls Obama phones.
I know people today who cannot afford phones. The middle class in this country has been losing ground since the 1980s. They took a major hit under Bush II.
That mentality is why the Average American has been losing ground since the 1980s, while the richest Americans are richer than ever.
Yes, it’s true that income inequality has skyrocketed under Obama. His policies have produced more poverty than ever. While the elite 1% that own him (most donations by Wall Street than any other president) get richer.
Inequality has skyrocketed under Republican trickle down policies, and deregulation of the securities markets. Those have been going on since the 1980s. The greatest decrease in income inequality and the golden age for the middle class was from 1936 to 1980. Average Americans has been supporting the rich ever since.
Please explain how average Americans are supporting the rich.
Especially as the rich pay the bulk of taxes in the country.
I can’t tell if your comment is sarcastic.
Bull fucking shit!
The rich pay a lower percentage of total taxes than their percentage of the nations net worth. Further, their percentage of the nations taxes has been falling, while the share paid by the middle class has been going up. Fox and Fox watchers like you focus solely on income taxes. You forget about sales taxes, property taxes, school taxes, road taxes, gasoline taxes, etc. etc. The rich are not overtaxed. They are paying less than they have in decades. They pay significantly less of their net worth in taxes than the average American does.
And yet conservatives call Obama a socialist.
Is that an insult to call Obama a socialist?
No.We call him a radical muslim traitor with a marxist world view.
Nice try Flip. How’s the union meetings going in Ohio.
Why do you care so much if the rich are getting richer? Personally, I don’t give a flip how rich Donald Trump is.
Obama may actually be less politically astute than Curtis Loftis. Is it possible?
Ignorant much?
Not nearly as much as you, champ.
Are you a complete idiot. The entire pipeline is to take Canadian oil to American refineries for export. Not one drop goes to domestic consuption. Geesh!!! It’s only been debated for six freakin’ years – you’d think you would at least get some of the facts right.
Love Misery Much?
The transgender one and bullwinkle fail to understand that the MORE oil on the market, the cheaper the price-even if it is exported.Also makes us less dependent on muslim oil.
Obama is a muslim and wants us addicted to muslim oil so they can fund Irans nuclear program and the muslim brotherhood.
Exorbitant oil prices are the key to Obama’s -year-plus depression recession …
Since he does not give a D*#n about the working American…he likes high oil prices and the fiscal damage they do…
Only when it’s cheap oil dip-stick. $80 a gallon oil don’t sway the price much when the going rate is $41. WHich is why them Canucks ain’t rushing to build it anyways.
Fool! What he says is exactly true.
And you show he’s in good company, too…LMAO….
Fact remains, it’s all about export. It wouldn’t matter if Satan himself posted it here while you ream out his asshole. It’s simply the truth.
If anybody knows Satan it is LGBT’s contribution to FITS, FeverBlister.
And what’s wrong with the rich getting richer? Did you ever ask for a job from a poor man?
Absolutely! I do it all the time. I sell services to people who are of average income. The richer the middle class is the better my business and most small businesses do. They are employed by the people buying their goods and services.
The rich getting richer and the middle class getting poorer is bad for America, but you will never convince a billionaire of that.
“The richer the middle class, the better my business…” Are you under the assumption that there is a finite amount of money and the rich folks are conspiring to get it away from the middle class?
I think he’s under the realistic assumption that he knows what his customer base is and understands the dynamics of their prosperity.
Are you a figurative “Uncle Tom” for the rich?
Tom does not ask poor men for jobs. He said his customer base is the middle class and the richer the middle class, the better business is for him.
When the government focuses on the needs of the middle class and making the middle class prosperous, everyone does well. Now granted the rich do not do as well as in a situation where the government is geared toward making them richer and ignoring everyone else, as is the current case. But they will still prosper, still make more money than they can possibly spend, their incomes will still go up every year and they will still be the rich.
Your response is technically correct, but you overall assertion from the beginning is wrong. I am employed by average income Americans. By the middle class. The poor obviously do not employee anyone. They are poor. But most small businesses in the country prospers when the middle class prospers. That has not been happening in this country. The middle class is failing. They are insecure. Their incomes are not going up. That is the result of beliefs that all the government needs to do is look out after the rich and they will take care of everyone else. That is not true.
When the middle class prospers the poor do better as well, because the middle class is more generous than the rich. The more diversified the wealth the higher the charitable contributions, and the less concerned people are about the small amount we pay to take care of the poor.
I don’t get your point here. There certainly is a finite amount of resources in the world, but that is not my point.
As for conspiring, do I think there are rich people who use their wealth to influence government to make themselves richer even though what government does to make them richer will have a negative wealth effect on the average American? Yes, I do.
Do I believe that as long as the rich are getting richer everyone is getting richer? Absolutely not. Only a fool believes that or simply chooses to ignore history.
Poor people run businesses and work as managers or supervisors, so the notion of asking a poor man for a job is not entirely impossible. I have worked under people who were poor. Also, having an abundance of cash doesn’t mean you have to spend it. Rich people almost never hire people they don’t need to maintain or accumulate wealth.
Name ONE poor person that runs a business.Just ONE.
I don’t have to, plenty of poor people run their own businesses. You should support small businesses, there are a lot of people who are by no means wealthy trying to make an honest living.
Name ONE poor person that owns/runs their own business!!!
Just ONE!
Grand Tango – he owns a worthless blog.
Define “poor”
Obama is a fucking, muslim traitor.
You are partly correct. But I don’t thinking Obama does much fucking; he and his wife take separate vacations; they never look at each other lovingly; their marriage appears to be more of a business deal than sexual.
Oh, we’re down to this dribble now? Barrel sort of getting empty for you?
Mostly just bored and it’s cold outside.
The Dow and S&P 500 closed at record highs after Obama vetoed the bill. Maybe the markets know something the Obama bashers don’t?
No impact at all. He already promised a veto.
Exactly! If the veto of Keystone will have the catastrophic economic impact the Obama-bashers predict, then why are the investment markets at record highs? It’s common knowledge the markets are considered leading indicators of economic activity. They should be tumbling, right?
No one says the veto will have catastrophic impact. It’s been baked in to the market for years.
Janet Yellen announced no rise in fed rates and EU acceptance of Greek plan might be a better explanation for the markets.
BT, read the comments on this post-Yellen appearance today, it is clear what is coming economically: http://www.cnbc.com/id/102447413
I’m no expert but:
1. The huge Fed Resv. balance sheet.
2. The artificially low Fed Resv. funds rate that is essentially a bank subsidy.
3. The 18 trillion debt protected by artificially low interest rates.
4. The high percentage of mortgages that are backed by the Federal government. (97% in 2011)
5. The federal take over of health insurance.
7. High student load debt, the amount backed by the government and the high past due rate.
gives you the sense that it is all a house of cards.
“And because this act of Congress conflicts with established executive branch procedures and cuts short thorough consideration of issues that could bear on our national interest — including our security, safety, and environment — it has earned my veto.”
Obama never says the pipeline is not in the national interest. He never says that he is opposed to the pipeline. It’s just that six years is not a long enough time to decide. He just needs more time.
This is what the pipeline will actually buy.
You need to retake remedial math.
Do you have something to show the rest of the class?
This pipeline is like pouring money down the drain. Sort of like Curtis Loftis did in his bailout votes for $17 million to SCSU.
Too many White people may get jobs. Can’t have that…especially after he’s done such a good job of F*#king up the economy for 6-plus years…
But it’s a BIG win to MAKE him Veto it…now Americans can see who hates to see people working, and loves to see families struggling…the @$$-hole…
What jobs? The construction jobs will probably go to illegal immigrants, so are we talking about the permanent jobs? I guess most of those will go to white guys but even Al Sharpton doesn’t give a damn about 35 jobs.
Why do you HATE Americans who actually WANT to work..instead of live off welfare and take food stamps….?????..
If the economy is not fixed soon from the mess it’s in…Obama is going to run out of money to give as Hand-Outs…
Get a job. Get off Medicaid you worthless taker.
Bore
Oh, that’s mature.
Yeah, GrandTango how old are you? I mean, you type like a repressed 20 year old Bob Jones student who’s too afraid to type out actual curse words. Or you’re a troll. I can’t decide which one yet. Still, you’re entitled to your opinion, however dumb it may be.
Very interesting analysis. We must share with TangosUglyDog and Smirks.
That would be a great idea, when and where?
Street Reach Mission in Myrtle Beach.Could you bring some razors and a toothbrush?
A$$wipe – stop pretending to be me. It just makes you look like a little child. Do you want me to have to call your Mom?
Since Bush left office
Unemployment down
Gas Prices down
misery index down
housing prices up
stock market up
jobs created up
Annual deficits as a percentage of GDP down
You are insane. Since Obama took office, we have the lowest workforce participation rate at 64% in decades, 92 million people have left the workforce, highest black and youth unemployment in decades, and he wants to add another 30 million illegal aliens to the job market, which will further destroy the middle class. The chronically unemployed aren’t even counted. Gas prices down have zilch to do with him. Lowest home ownership in twenty years. the stock market is up because Wall Street owns Obama, and the Federal Reserve is printing money to prop up the dollar. The 17 trillion dollar deficit is a record breaker and the garbage you post about it being down is nothing more than lying accounting, which a STAT 101 student could manipulate. Stop with the lies. You wanna discuss the promises he broke, the blatant lies he told to get elected then stabbed his own supporters in the back with? You got all day?
Only and idiot does not believe the economy is in way better shape than when Bush left office.
You’re the F#*king idiot…Bush’s Great numbers were real…your made up numbers are not even as good as Bush’s…except you increased the deficit at 4 times the rate of Bush…So I guess you win there…Dumb@$$…
I rest my case. What more proof do I need?
I agree…you’re a F*#king Dumb@$$…LMAO…
Bush was the worst President in modern history. Heck it could be he was the worst ever. He nearly destroyed the economy, ruined the military and left 5,000 American soldiers dead, and 3,000 Americans dead. In the dictionary when you look up Jack Ass, the third listing simply says – 3) George W Bush.
Ignorantly rant much?
Not as much as you.
You can’t just blame Obama, that would mean you have to blame every president for the last 30 years. You don’t have the gall to do that. You’ve got part of that right though. Wall Street does indeed own Obama, which is why he bailed them out in 2008. But who has owned every other president? Please, enlighten me. Because this hasn’t just happened over eight years, that would be too efficient for this government to screw us over so fast.
Another idiot. TARP was signed into law by George W Bush – for the love of Christ, if you can’t read, get someone to read a historical account of 2008 crash to you.
Hey man, if I’m wrong then I’m wrong. I’d love for Bush to be even more wrong than ever (how does that keep becoming more and more possible?) I wasn’t blaming Obama for anything either, I just said he wasn’t innocent. No president, congressman, or anyone on Capitol Hill for that matter are innocent until we get the corrupting influence of money out of politics. I stand corrected on the issue of TARP. I’d love to see Bush be in even more of a terrible POTUS than I did before (seriously though, I didn’t think I could hate the man more.) For that, I thank you :)
Sorry, I thought you were Grand Tango Pork Chop using another name. Proceed. And let’s not hate George, he couldn’t help it, he was born with a silver foot in his mouth and a rock for a brain. But other than that I’m sure he’s a great guy. I always liked the Kumar movie where they were smoking joints with W.
I am the one and only mrbraindead, and make no mistakes about it… I do not sink to the levels of sewage that spews from the gullet of a man named Tango of Chop!
Grand Tango Pork Chop? Your new name is rockypedophilesuglydog.
Yes, you are correct, it is the last 30 years, I totally agree with you. It’s been a long time coming. I hate it too.
I don’t see why so many individuals are calling this a left/right issue. It’s not. It’s a big oil issue. It’s not going to create permanent jobs, and it’s not going to do anything for our economy, and it’s halting the ability to find alternatives to an archaic, poisonous, volatile fuel source. It’s toxic for our oceans, it’s toxic for our air, and our planet obviously can’t handle this. You pump enough chemicals into anything organic and it’s going to get sick.
You left one out…Since Obama left office:
Ignorant F*#king Liberal Mythology has increased by a TRILLION-fold… LMAO…You’re a PERFECT example…
What’s unemployment over there in Crapville. In the rest of the country it’s like 5.6% – but then you knew that because you’re so well read and smart. DOW closed at a record high, and you closed at a record DUMB.
Stupidly Gullible Much?
There is massive manipulation by our central bank. The DOW closed at a record high because of QE, anticipation of another QE, the Fed keeping interest rates low because of our debt load, because T-bill and bonds are artificially high due to the government buying them, and printing money to buy them, with little yield. There is no where else to go but to stocks. Companies are holding record amounts of cash reserves, while lending to small business is low, start-ups are declining, and that is why we have a booming stock market but the rest of the economy doesn’t reflect that. Liquidity trap. There will be a correction. Growth is from investment in start ups, we are not experiencing that kind of real growth.
You must be a GOP stooge – the stock market closed up high because the economy fundementals are strong and earnings are robust. What you think trillions of dollars are invested every day by US and overseas investors based on quantitative easing. God, whatever you do, don’t get a job as a financial planner. Are you George Bush?
The economy is headed for a catastrophic failure, with the fed pumping 85 billion a month into the market, with a manipulated interest rate of nearly zero because if it were raised, our 18trillion dollar debt service would exceed our revenue. And it will happen in an instant, the entire federal government would come down. Jobs have never recovered from 2009 crash and the middle class is squeezed at every turn, with real wages down and staying down. Read every analysis of what Yellen said today, because they are all saying the same thing. Nothing will be done about the interest rate until Obama is out of office. The next president has a horrible job ahead of them. Expect a 10-20% correction for stocks by mid-summer.
OOhhhh – better go buy some gold Bernie!
And Buffett just popped open another champagne bottle and sent another check to Foggy Bottom…
Yep, you get it. One of the few.
He didn’t veto it due to environmentalists, he did it for Warren Buffet. The oil will be transported to southern refineries anyway, on expensive rail lines owned by Buffet. Crony capitalism at its most egregious. The environmental lobby would love to think it is their political influence that caused the veto, but that only goes to prove that Obama has bamboozled them as well. Nothing changes, the oil from the Canadian tar sands will still be transported to southern refineries, just not by pipeline. It is true, the plan B pipeline will further undercut those ancient southern refineries, but Buffet could care less.
So what you are saying is that by vetoing the pipeline he increased the number of permanent jobs created. I mean it takes a lot more people to transport by rail, than by pipeline; so more jobs. Now I get it.
No you fucking idiot. Let’s see 300 thousand jobs not created = jobs created? Is that how dumb you are? They are ALREADY trucking and railing the oil, dumbass.
So you stupid bitch, if we build the pipeline and create 35 permanent jobs; but as a result thousands of people transporting oil lose their permanent job. How many net permanent jobs did we produced. That math is probably over your head.
The 300k temp jobs are bogus. That is a made up number and everyone not as dumb as you knows it.
You actually believe that bogus state department report? The 35 jobs are the made up number. The truth is no one actually knows exactly how many jobs it will produce, and you are the stupid bitch if you believe that increased economic activity doesn’t produce more jobs. Let’s see, there are the actual construction jobs, the secondary industries that will produce the equipment, haul the equipment, unload, store, and maintain the equipment, the tertiary jobs like food, housing, transportation, medical, insurance, clothes, housing–all the things humans need to live. Then there are the jobs at the refineries that will turn the oil into gas, and the additional money they spend in the economy. The oil and gas has to be stored in containers and other storage facilities and maintained, all labor intensive. Then it has to be trucked or railed to cargo points so it can be put into tankers for transport via international shipping, and those ports and cargo vessels will have to be manned–lots more jobs, and union jobs at that, which is why unions backed this type of economic activity. The gas has to be trucked to gas stations where it will be purchased by consumers to move other products and deliver services. More jobs created from the selling and buying of oil, by oil futures trading, by industries that rely on petroleum products that can be manufactured into other products beyond the gas sales. All of these workers have families that wil spend that income from any one of these jobs at various points in the production and distribution process, again, resulting in increased home sales, maintenance, insurance, cars, clothes, food, medical. None of these jobs exist in a vacuum. And most of them are high-paying jobs, which in turn spur the need for lower paying service industry jobs. It might even create the need for more refinieries, which would result in more building, storing, ground transport, and shipping jobs. Shall I go on?
Additionally, all of these production and distribution points will require significant technology to operate, so new demands will create news ventures, related to the measuring, control, and distribution of the oil into gas, the production, storage, sales, transport all require new computer tech, along with the people hired to create and maintain it all. Inventors, entrepreneurs, and investors would all be needed. Electrical, chemical, mechanical, and computer engineers, technicians, sales people, bankers, accountants, and all of their admin operations will benefit. And once again, all of these people will need houses, food, cars, insurance. There will be government jobs added at the state and federal level from the need for regulators, inspectors, all of the alphabet agencies. Have we reached 300k yet, or is the mat above your head?
Additionally to that, all of this economic activity will be taxed every step of the way, from income taxes to sales taxes to federal industry fees and taxes, financial sector taxes, state taxes, municipal—it all will create more revenue for government. But for the people that want Hillary in 2016, they must believe her preposterous statement that “businesses don’t create jobs.”
So now you want to tax it all, and create more government jobs? Have I got that right?
Every report is bogus because you’re such a PhD. Can we start to call you Doctor Dip?
Can you show us something that shows there will be more than 35 permanent jobs?
Wouldn’t create 300K jobs moron. That’s the freakin’ point. BTW – 300,000 jobs – the economy creates that many jobs in a month.
We do not create 300k jobs a month! Go look it up, its at the BLS. and I was generous of the labor force participation rate, it is actually 62.9%. We created 251k jobs in January, unchanged unemployment numbers for a few months now. Most gains in Nov. 2014 were part-time. We need about 500k a month of good paying jobs, not mall jobs under 30 hours a week.
No we need between 250K to 325K a month, good paying, which is pretty much what we’re getting. Seriously, if you go to the Beach, and it’s sunny, and late April, and nice out. Do you bitch about the Sun? Simple test. Go to the mall. Say the Citadel Mall if you’re down my way. Now – if you can park real close to Dillards on Saturday afternoon, the economy sucks. If you have to park way away from Dillars, it’s good. Right now, you have to park dang near the end of the parking lot.
So that is your method, counting cars in a mall parking lot? LMFAO Go read something you nut case. Zerohedge, Peter Schiff, anything. Start here http://www.cnbc.com/id/102447413
Love you too Flip.
They are all exercising and walking you fucking moron.
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm
No Brigid – he just toasted your ass on that one.
No stalker, are you going to troll every single comment I make? You have not one substantive thing to say, just moar rah-rah bullshit.
LOL. Doesn’t it create something like 10 permanent jobs?
Don’t exaggerate! It’s actually 35. Why not add 4 zeros to every number though so we can have our fake outrage and increase our page hits! Accuracy and honesty be damned…
A Canadian company won’t be permitted to seize U S land to build a pipeline with Chinese steel to send Canadian tar sands oil to the Gulf to be put on ships to be sent to China. all that risk for about 35 permanent jobs. Bang up job. What could go wrong.
Where to start? I know. Dummy.
What a coherent statement. I would say you could start with facts but your handle pretty much says you dont believe in facts so….
I’m not sure about the whole job counting thingy(35 vs 300k, who knows), but I do like that from a libertarian perspective you mention the US land seizure aspect, as eminent domain is a violation of property rights.
SHHH!!! Don’t tell Sic Willie, our benevolent host. You will hurt his feelings with a hard truth like that, just stated outright on his own blog. Tick-a-Lock!
Friggin’ awesome. I wish Sic Willie was in Libertarian Science 101 and this was his term paper topic: Explain why giving Canadian companies the right of eminent domain in the United States advances the cause of individual liberty.
I’d like to read that, myself.
Will, will you provide us with that? Many citations needed, of course.
No one is seizing S#!t you F*#king Brain-Dead idiot…it’s building infrastructure…
It is useless to talk policy with these fools.Obama is an angry radical muslim trying to destroy America.
That was always the plan. Thankfully Hillary will be lucky to get 45% of the vote and we can turn this around for at least another 30 years.
No, you’re an angry hateful anti-Semite who also hates Catholics and the Pope.
Hah! ” … building infrastructure” by seizing shit. Obviously. A clear violation of property rights, and in the case of Native American tribes, of solemn US treaties.
Kelo v. City of New London
Checkmate bitch!
You’re playing games like the IGNORANT, callous leftwing F*#k you are…
Meanwhile Americans are struggling to feed their children..while that worthless B@$t@*d you call king, is living lavishly…and chumming out Bull-$#!t to dolts like you…
Really? Because most people I see walking around don’t look like their starvin’ – Jack @$$. Struggling to feed children, – you’re such a moron. BTW – unemployment outside of Crapville – 5.6%. Here, let me check the DOW again – 18,205. Yeah, that’s what I thought.
Live in delusions much???…LMAO…
We’ve already debunked that Bull-$#!t you’re peddling from the DNC, and the Obama’s damage-control team…
The number of Americans living in poverty, which climbed steadily as soon as George W Bush took office, finally stabilized in 2011 have have decreased ever since. Not making this up. Check out the actual numbers. GWB added more people to poverty than any President in history. It took 4 years to fix what he broke, and another 2 years to improve the situation. We’re just now recoving from GOP rule. But they are getting better, I see that Mitchy is going to pass a clean CR for DHS – so realizing you’re a problem is usually the first step in getting help.
50 Million on Food Stamps. 92 million unemployed. Both RECORD Numbers. Home ownership at its lowest point EVER. People have given up finding a job. Hopelessness is at an all time high..
You’re not just a LIAR….you’re a MOTHER-F*#king LIAR…We live out here in the real world. Nothing fundamentally is changing. No industry is particularly healthy. The government through regulation and tax policy works against us. And then there is the miserable Obamacare law hanging over our heads…
Obama is counting temp jobs over and over…and he is counting PT, under-paying jobs as employment..His bob numbers, realistically, are abysmal…and have been since Day ONE…
Salaries are dropping, and have been since Obama took office…
And I have not even mentioned all the family wealth lost due to the housing market being gutted, and not back anywhere near where it needs to be…that is money GONE forever…
I don’t give a S#!t that you are so F*#ked up you believe Obama’s Bull-S#!t…A certain percentage of fools will always burden us…
But to spread your ignorance is disgusting. Things are bad economically, morally and spiritually. There is no defending the mess you have made…
We’re just biding our time until Obama exits..and we can hopefully begin to clean up the TOTAL F*#king Disaster he has made of our country…
Hopefully the next election with make you STFU…but I doubt it…
No, I support my arguments with fact. You support your arguments with crap. I’ve already debunked your 92 million unemployed number (as has reality, the rest of the world and common sense) and your food-stamp number grew 2001 to 2008 – when you’re butt buddy was President. Your party is a failure to the American people and should be banned. Hopefully after 2016 they will be. Why don’t you move to Liberia – you’d do less damage.
As long as American children starve…you and Obama don’t give a F*#k…you anti-American B@$t@*d…
Why is it you idiots become patriotic all of the sudden, when you can do more harm to our country? …Normally you side w/ Mexico, ISIS and the UN against us…
Your stupidity..as usual..is endless.
You are fucking idiot that contributes nothing.
Buz was right on the money after all, you do call people you don’t like pedophiles. Score one for Buz.
Buz has never been right on any subject so your presupposition is wrong.
He told us how you called someone a pedophile on another site just because you didn’t like them, and you said he was lying and asked him to give proof. The proof is all over this page! Buz was right! You have been caught red handed and you are still denying it!!!
Buz this guy gives us all one big headache, did you ever get rid of him?
Never mind what the majority of Americans want, that my friends is the President’s mantra.
A majority of Americans voted for President Obama twice, me included.
So are you telling me that once you vote for someone everything they do is OK with you?
The majority of Americans wanted the pipeline, you must not be in the majority this time.
No I didn’t say that at all. But I will say this, leaders once elected sometimes have to take positions not in concert with their supporters, that is why they are called leaders, not followers. However on this particular matter I happen to agree that the President’s veto was correct. Now as for your contention that the majority of Americans supported the building of the pipeline, would you mind terribly citing the source of your information?
Find a source yourself, this is the internet after all. If you look hard enough you can find a site to dispute it, everything on the internet is true, right?
BTW the President’s veto was wrong.
Surely if you can cite your source, is that such a problem?
Is there a problem with you doing your own search?
It’s Flippy Costco, Sandi Moraless, etc – same old story with Flip – cite your sources – crickets.
It’s been all over the news form the MSM to CNN and Fox even Huffpost, if you really need a source have your crickets look for it.
It’s real simple, open a new widow and use your prefered search engine and type in majority of american support the keystone pipeline. http://binged.it/1agYK51
They also want immigration reform and a funded Departmetn of Homeland Security.
But they didn’t want it the way the President did it. Even the President said many times he couldn’t do it the way he did it but then he did.
They may want immigration reform, but they most certainly do not want executive amnesty. Get that straight.
BINGO…
Then why did Obama abandon reform, and open borders to disease, terrorists, hand-out-slurpers and anybody else stupid enough to vote Democrat???
You need to ask Boehner why he didn’t pass the Marco Rubio Immigration and Amnesty Reform bill of 2013.
It is wholly irrelevant what a majority of Americans want. This issue effects the Canadian Oil Company, the people whose land this passes over, and the people whose drinking water would be affected by a leak. No one else is affected.
The only reasons Republicans give a crap about this Pipeline is the Koch brothers will make money from this pipeline and they are paying politicians to push it.
There is no national interest here. The pipeline will have no material impact on the US economy or US Oil dependence. The pipeline will result in the loss of more permanent jobs than it will create.
“It is wholly irrelevant what a majority of Americans want.”…only because things have turned out the way you want, so far.
Do you belong to the Sierra Club by chance, you sure sound like it.
How may times – during each election – did your stupid @$$ vote for that Cheating B@$t@#d…????
300,000 jobs is bullshit. Even the company acknowledges that.
Folks, you should spend a little time investigating the operations of existing pipelines that run from Texas/Louisiana up the East Coast. The employees of those utilities are primarily those who operate terminals that divert and reload products such as diesel, gasoline, and other refined products, not the crude that is piped with little interruption from point of origin to refinery or loading docks.
Fits, you take people for fools at your own risk. Few in business are dumb enough to take your numbers seriously.
You don’t have a GD clue. Obama is more economically literate than you and he’s a effing lightweight dilletante.
They can shroud the real issue with a non-issue like jobs, excess oil, or whatever you want. It’s still going to be about the anti-Robin Hood measures the government puts into place in order to bow down to corporate interests. If they weren’t so involved with making money, going to war to make more money, and making more money, they’d be fixing domestic problems. Infrastructure, economy, scientific progress, social programs…they’re all down the toilet because that means the government would have to use our tax money for something that we actually WANT to buy into. And you’re right. It’s not pure gasoline going through those pipes like people imagine, it’s crude oil going to a refinery to be shipped of internationally. It’s a Canadian company that’s doing it. It’s foreign interests that have made deals with domestic interests for a huge profitable gain.
Why do you like Starving American Children and a hate-based president?
We took care of that problem in November 2008. The Hate-Based President left office in January 2009, and with 5.6% unemployment and falling poverty rates now – we don’t have as many starving children – no thanks to you.
What gives Obama and American-hating democrats the F*#king right to CONTROL freedom…you Communist Piece of $#!t…
and what gives a Canadian company the right to seize land rights from farmers who have owned the lands for 100 years? Communist hypocrite much?
The problem is Obama…the landowners can do as they want w/ their land, except for Obama the Dictator standing in their way…
Quit making up Bull-$#!t to cover for your F*#k up trying to be a president, and failing…
NO! The problem is with a state government who prioritizes a Canadian company over their own citizens. These poor landowners have one single source of water. If that water gets contaminated through an oil spill they are screwed.
Why should they be forced to have a giant oil pipeline through their property? Please explain…
Like the Internet, healthcare, education or immigration…you just want Obama to control it, so you can F*#k it up…and punish /Americans, in hopes of turning our country into one of the H#!!-holes that is full of people who worship Bull-S#!t artists like you and Obama…
So you avoid addressing my comments and questions?
Please explain why a Canadian company should have more rights to land in Nebraska than the people who actually own the land.
Once you do that we can move on to your lack of understanding of the Internet…
no I’m not avoiding anything…I just don’t give a F*#k what some leftwing idiot MOTHERF*#ker says…Obama talks for you…and he has F*#ked up the country…you need to STFU…you ignorant @$$hole…
So you do believe that a Canadian company has more rights to Nebraska land then the individuals who own it. That’s called fascism my friend. This pipeline is a disgusting trampling of personal property rights by a state government. If the individual landowners don’t want to allow a pipeline on their land then the companies should either compensate them more or go around.
That’s not left wing thinking. Your attempt to label me is absurd and shows your intellectual level.
You have to understand. You are using facts in your argument. Facts make GT’s head explode. He does not understand what they are or how they are relevant. He believes using facts in an argument is a Democratic conspiracy designed to distract real Americans from what is important.
He’s been showing his “intelligence” for a while, loooong before he tried labeling you. Dude’s a troll and a moron and angry because, you know, Obama.
It’s sort of off topic, but I remember just out of college, on assignment in Buenos Aires with Grand Tango and Bill O’Reilly. A large demonstration had developed, and a lot of people were standing around eating platers of grilled meats, and drinking red wine – Malbec I think. Then the Army showed up. Covertly, wearing odd blue and white striped uniforms with shorts. Soon, they were firing on the crowd with live bullets. Oddly shaped the bullets were white and black, with hexagon shapes, and spherical. Many people were hit, and in the confusion I saw Tango take a shot to the head. I was certain he was dead, but O’Reilly took charge and ran to help him. By the grace of God Tango was still alive. At first we thought he was bleeding, but then realized he had spilled his glass of Merlot when he was hit with that horrible weapon. They called it a futbal, but I’m still not sure. Anyway, the young Tango, just out of USC Journalism school, was dragged to safety by O’Reilly. O’Reilly was a hero. I’ve often suffered guilt from that night, because instead of helping Grand Tango, I struck up a conversation with a black-haired beauty. We spent the night together. Exhausted, I returned to the hotel that morning and found Tango awake, and recovering. Thank God for Bill O’Reilly. And thank goodness for Grand Tango.
Oh, for the pipeline – yeah this is all a surprise.
So suddenly Will is in line with crony corporatists and social engineers of both parties in wanting to use Eminent Domain (once demonized and shunned by the right) to swindle people out of their property. And the hell with the rule of law, and honoring existing US treaties. On a whim of congressmen fed like pigs at the trough by Koch money, the Indians who have perpetual rights to their own land and water are suddenly told to fuck off, and denigrated by a sitting US congressman as mere “wards of the state.”
It’s a sorry, sorry day for those who believe that limited government actually means the government not screwing over the people at the behest of corporate interest — which was really the principle that the original Tea Party was all about.
Incoherent and ignorant rambling much…???….LMAO…
You are THE BEST example of a core-less, selfish, hate-everybody-but-yourself, Liberal-Tarian…
You spout would-be populous clichés, w/ no idea about content or how your words apply to reality…Your only requirement is that YOU are in control…
You are Dangerous…should ANYONE be stupid enough to take you seriously (see FITS)….
I’m not sure how seriously Will takes me. He prefers those who always agree with him, I believe. I clearly don’t, on several issues. As for rambling, my view on subjects like Eminent Domain (a core “limited government” issue) have always been consistent. As has my general dislike of Obama as POTUS on the ground of opposing his lies and general collectivist mindset. Also consistent is the strong belief that the letter by the name of a politician can never exempt him or her from being held accountable for corruption in office and gross violations of the public trust. Also, I don’t hate everybody but myself. Far from it. And I believe it’s obvious to most that I have a pretty clear understanding of the content of my comments.
btw, it’s “populist”, not “populous.”
The point is that this should be a risk taken by private enterprise – or not – provided that it complies with existing law. It should not be a debate over jobs. That’s not what the Government should be about. If it creates a million jobs or 50, it’s no ones concern other than the investors. Not the enviros, not the Foxbots, not the ridiculous kabuki actors in DC that play the roles of political leaders. It’s not “our” anything.
Then why the F*#k can the government (or Democrats/Obama) STOP it?
92 Million Americans are unemployed, and 50 million are on Food Stamps. If Obama can take away…why is that Worthless Son of a B!*ch allowed to keep PRODUCTIVE CONTRIBUTORS from succeeding…????
You have a elected a god…And he is the god of hate and Failure…
No stupid, 90 million people are either in college, retiring early, stay at home Moms, staying home to take care of elderly parents, or able to have a single-income family. Why do you HATE stay at home Moms? Why?
Full-of-Excuses and S#!t…much???…LMAO…
Here’s an interesting set of facts for you big boy – in 2000 there were 31 million people below the poverty line. In 2005 that number was 37 million. In 2008 that number was 41 million. That’s a 10 million increase thanks to the GOP wonder years. Then thanks to the great economic catastrophe the GOP laid down on us in 2008, it spiked to 46 million. In the last two years we’ve gotten it back down to 42 million, and falling. And where do most of these poor people live? In SC, GA, AL, MS, LA, AZ, NM AK – all states with GOP Governors and Legislators. Lowest numbers – in Blue states. Your party, your vision and your belief system are a total pile of crap. That’s why I love to point out, you live in Crapville. Now either do something constructive or shut up.
We KNOW reality. So STFU, you idiot…no amount of begging will change who you are, and the mess you’ve made. Lies are made for Dumb@$$#s to believe. And most idiots already vote Democrat…
You’re a joke. Gotta go now twiddles – but – bless your heart.
Get a job. Get off Medicaid.
Facts must suck for you. Shall I continue to kick your @$$ or have you had enough?
You’re posting delusions and lies…and unless you’re a TOTAL F*#king idiot…you know they are lies and Bull-S#!t…
Now it’s 300,000 jobs? It was 48,000 last week. It might help if they’d keep their lies straight. Lol
And this is surprising given that Obama has been looking the other way at China developing oil wells in the Gulf of Mexico off Cuba, with lateral drilling that is sucking oil from Florida’s waters, leaving the Keys at risk for oil spills and China richer? Obama does like Vichy follows Berlins orders. Anything to kill US jobs.
No conservative should EVER support the Keystone pipeline until the company finds a way to build it without using eminent domain to trample the rights of individual landowners. This is a classic case of government trampling the rights of individual citizens. Will someone please explain why a canadian company has more right to land in Nebraska than the individuals who actually purchased the land 100 years ago.
Anyone who supports the Keystone Pipeline is not in favor of a free market. This project would fail without the use of eminent domain. TransCanada does not want to pay market rates for land for the pipeline, so they’ll rely on local, state, and U.S. federal authorities to help them seize the private property of American citizens. I would have thought FITS would stand up for property rights instead of becoming an apologist for crony capitalism.