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Common Sense On School Choice … In North Carolina

TAR HEEL CONVERSION HIGHLIGHTS ESTABLISHMENT HYPOCRISY || By FITSNEWS || In case you missed it there was a great school choice story out of North Carolina this week.  Brian Lewis – the former chief lobbyist for the North Carolina Association of Educators (a.k.a. the anti-choice lobby) – penned an opinion…

TAR HEEL CONVERSION HIGHLIGHTS ESTABLISHMENT HYPOCRISY

|| By FITSNEWS || In case you missed it there was a great school choice story out of North Carolina this week.  Brian Lewis – the former chief lobbyist for the North Carolina Association of Educators (a.k.a. the anti-choice lobby) – penned an opinion piece for The (Raleigh, N.C.) News and Observer outlining his very personal conversion on this important issue.

“I was the front line of defense against all proposals before the General Assembly that would privatize public education, including tax credits for students with special needs, opportunity scholarships for children living in poverty and charter school expansion,” Lewis wrote. “I opposed all efforts to ‘drain funds from public schools,’ especially for private schools that I described as ‘unaccountable’ and ‘scams’ for the North Carolina taxpayer and the children they served.”

Sound familiar?  It should.  Because it’s the exact same language that’s been used for years to suppress parental choice here in the Palmetto State (very effectively, we might add).

So … what prompted Lewis to change his tune?

Well, as it turns out his daughter was struggling in a government-run school – not necessarily because it was a bad school, but for whatever reason it just wasn’t the right fit for his little girl.

So he had to make a change …

“We hit the wall … and came to the conclusion that public middle school was not the answer,” he wrote. “In fact, it was the problem.”

Wow … and that coming from the guy who defend the government-run system to the hilt.

The kicker from Lewis’ oped? When he addresses the cost angle – and the fundamental inability of the vast majority of parents to make the choice that’s best for their children.

“I can afford this option for my daughter, but what about the thousands of families, unlike me, who cannot afford tuition to send their child to a private school? Don’t their daughters’ struggles count, too?” he asked.  “The answer is they should.  Sadly, if I hadn’t had this very personal challenge, I could still be on the opposite side of the private school doors trying to keep them shut to parents who desperately need this option.”

Exactly … that is the school choice message as cleanly and concisely as we’ve ever seen it articulated.

From its inception, this website has fought for market-based reforms that would expand the ability of parents to use their own money to find an academic setting that worked best for their children.  Or give low-income parents scholarships to do the same.  Meanwhile well-paid lobbyists like Lewis have fought for … well, expanded government power.

And they’ve been aided and abetted by a liberal media conditioned to parrot their arguments …

Oh well … we’re glad to see Lewis has joined the side of the angels on this issue.  And more importantly, we’re glad his daughter has found the academic setting that’s best for her.

Now let’s make sure those same options are available to all parents …

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86 comments

RogueElephant February 10, 2015 at 7:45 pm

How many more generations of our children and grandchildren are we going to sacrifice at the alter of government run schools ? Let the money follow the child, not the other way around. More power to our great senator Tim Scott as he is taking the lead on this.

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Bible Thumper February 10, 2015 at 8:16 pm

What people fail to understand is that school choice will not just help parents afford the best choice for their children it will save “the government run system” fits always criticizes.

When the public school system has to compete for students instead of taking them foe granted, there will be improvements. I always hear, studies show public schools out perform private schools, but that doesn’t show is that improvement was driven by competition.

Then you hear that rich whites don’t want their kids in schools with poor blacks. Real school choice that is accessible to the poor would do more to desegregation schools than anything since the seventies. Any school accepting vouchers would have to accept the children of the poor without regard to race.

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SCBlueWoman February 11, 2015 at 12:01 am

What people fail to understand is that it is a segregated system and that the poor will be left behind. It’s been proven over and over again.

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euwe max February 11, 2015 at 4:37 am

They don’t really care. It’s been proven over and over again.

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thanks jesse and al! February 11, 2015 at 5:40 am

That the Democrat Party wants to keep blacks uneducated and on the perpetual welfare train? You are correct!

euwe max February 11, 2015 at 6:37 am

For you to say that like you believe it, must be quite amusing.

Bible Thumper February 11, 2015 at 9:10 am

Democrats think that their motive is all that counts. They ignore the results.

James February 11, 2015 at 11:51 am

Motive?? Of course the motive is important, because that will determine the result. If you are motivated to solve a problem, that is the problem you will solve. If the problem you are motivated to solve is making quality education available to everyone you may solve that problem. If the problem you are motivated to solve is getting money to help pay for your kids private school tuition, that is the problem you will solve.

Bible Thumper February 11, 2015 at 12:12 pm

Your reply reveals the fundamental difference between liberals and conservatives.
The Free Market engages people who are looking out for their own interest. As long as the public is protected from fraud, monopolistic practices, harm to the public, protects property including intellectual property, no better system has been devised to create wealth and reduce poverty. Yet, most are motivated by their own self interest.
Only a liberal would think that trying to help ones own children is a bad thing.

James February 11, 2015 at 12:53 pm

I consider myself a moderate.

No one said trying to help your own child is a bad thing. Trying to force others to help your child at the expense of their child is a bad thing. Trying to get out of paying your share of the state’s obligation to provide public education is a bad thing.

We have a totally free market in private school education in SC. We do not have a subsidized private school market. You are seeking a tax subsidy for a private product. That is the exact opposite of free market. In this case it is crony capitalism.

You choose to ignore the motives of the people behind the school choice movement in SC. I do not. Because SC government is totally corrupt. Especially under Republican rule. Legislators are being paid to come up with a tax relief program for people who do not need tax relief. This is not a liberal or conservative issue. This is a simple recognition of reality. There is no effort in SC by the school choice crowd to make public education better. There is no evidence anything they have proposed will benefit anyone but upper middle class and wealthy people in SC and primarily people whose children are already in private school/

Bible Thumper February 11, 2015 at 1:29 pm

You can’t say there is a free market in private education, when it competes directly with a totally subsidized public system and it’s customers must pay for the private and subsidized system.

I recognize there is public interest in education. Just like we all have to breathe the same air, we are all effected by the education of our society as a whole. Motivation toward better education for all is laudable.

When public policies act in a way that discourages, instead of fostering, parents involvement in their kids education, that policy is destructive and ignores basic human nature.

By offering parents choices, you involve them with their children’s education and you shift responsibility on to their shoulders.

Common Core has the same effect. It confuses parents and alienates them from their kids education. Parents lose confidence in their ability to help their children. They are encouraged to just trust the schools.

If you want to predict how a child will do in school, look at the family. Now ask, do our education policies strengthen families or weaken them?

James February 11, 2015 at 1:55 pm

“You can’t say there is a free market in private education, when it competes directly with a totally subsidized public system and it’s customers must pay for the private and subsidized system.”

Yes I can. Just like I can say there is a free market in automobiles even though they compete with a subsidized public transportation. Just like I can say there is a free market in security services even thought they compete with a subsidized police force. The two systems have different goals and different people using them.

The goal of public transportation is to bring affordable transportation to the public to popular destinations, and reduce congestions on public highways.
The goal of the automobile industry is to to take me where I want to go regardless of its popularity.

The goal of the police force is to protect everyone. The goal of private security is to protect me and my property.

The goal of public education is to bring affordable education to everyone. The goal of private education is to bring the specific education desired by the customer to his children, at a price acceptable to the customer. If you can’t afford it, you can’t afford it.

euwe max February 11, 2015 at 1:55 pm

Jesus was wrong, then?

Bible Thumper February 11, 2015 at 4:37 pm

Two different relationships.
Man to man, voluntary
Man to government, compulsory

euwe max February 11, 2015 at 8:47 pm

Jesus was wrong, then?

Two different relationships.
Man to man, voluntary
Man to government, compulsory

———
Jesus said giving was COMPULSORY

are you trying to remake God into supply-side Jesus?

Bible Thumper February 11, 2015 at 8:53 pm

Acts 5:1 But a man named Ananias, with his wife Sapphira, sold a piece of property, 2 and with his wife’s knowledge he kept back for himself some of the proceeds and brought only a part of it and laid it at the apostles’ feet. 3 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land? 4 While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal?

euwe max February 11, 2015 at 10:25 pm

Do you really propose to dispose of the entire text of the bible, and pretend that giving is *not* compulsory? That the creation of hell was a joke?

Bible Thumper February 11, 2015 at 10:43 pm

LUKE 21:1 And He looked up and saw the rich putting their gifts into the treasury. 2 And He saw a poor widow putting in two small copper coins. 3 And He said, “Truly I say to you, this poor widow put in more than all of them; 4 for they all out of their surplus put into the offering; but she out of her poverty put in all [e]that she had to live on.”

Verily, verily, I say unto euwe. If you give out of compulsion, it will do you no good on the day of judgement. – Bible Thumper

euwe max February 11, 2015 at 11:05 pm

Matthew 25:31-46

Matthew 25:31-46King James Version (KJV)

31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Bible Thumper February 11, 2015 at 11:16 pm

MATTHEW 6:1 “Be careful! When you do good things, don’t do them in front of people to be seen by them. If you do that, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven. 2 “When you give to the poor, don’t be like the hypocrites. They blow trumpets in the synagogues and on the streets so that people will see them and honor them. I tell you the truth, those hypocrites already have their full reward. 3 So when you give to the poor, don’t let anyone know what you are doing. 4 Your giving should be done in secret. Your Father can see what is done in secret, and he will reward you.

euwe max February 11, 2015 at 11:25 pm

It’s not about being seen – it’s about doing what you are commanded to do. Notice the word “nations.”

…and let’s not hear any more shit about it being “voluntary.”

Bible Thumper February 11, 2015 at 11:30 pm

2 Corinthians 9:6 Now this I say, he who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap  bountifully. 7 Each one must do just as he has purposed in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. 8 And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that always having all sufficiency in everything, you may have an abundance for every good deed;

CHECKMATE

euwe max February 11, 2015 at 11:34 pm

How you feel as you do it is not relevant to it being voluntary, you must do it. It is not voluntary – or else you would not be told to do it. How you feel about it is up to you – meditate on that to correct your selfish desire for reward, your greed or fear of punishment, if need be – but it *is* compulsory!

Bible Thumper February 11, 2015 at 11:50 pm

GALATIANS 3: 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: ……..

20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

euwe max February 12, 2015 at 12:09 am

It is required, but not for salvation.

In the same way you are required to drive between the white lines on the street, you don’t get paid for it, or get rewarded, or get any special consideration… nevertheless, it’s not voluntary.

Bible Thumper February 12, 2015 at 12:28 am

James had an answer for Paul that we can both hopefully agree with.

James 2:14-26King James Version (KJV)

14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Amen, goodnight.

euwe max February 12, 2015 at 12:58 am

That goes for governments, as well as people.

Wrong February 12, 2015 at 12:20 am

“It is not voluntary – or else you would not be told to do it.”

*He* is instructed to do it by God(who still allows free will), if he doesn’t, he might suffer once dead, making the decision itself voluntary but not without consequences.

Also, the instruction isn’t for him to vote for or endorse a gov’t to take his “givings” from him and distribute it to the poor.

It’s a very specific instruction to give personally/directly. (aside from the fact God might not see the benefit in gov’t taking their 70% overhead before it filters its way down to the poor)

euwe max February 12, 2015 at 12:28 am

*He* is instructed to do it by God(who still allows free will), if he doesn’t, he might suffer once dead, making the decision itself voluntary but not without consequences.

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consequences, my friend, are what make it *not* voluntary. Is there any other meaning of *not* voluntary?

may I direct your attention to the following word in this chapter?

“nations”

– read it slowly and let it sink in.

Matthew 25:31-46King James Version (KJV)

31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Bible Thumper February 11, 2015 at 11:03 pm

LUKE 21:1 And He looked up and saw the rich putting their gifts into the treasury. 2 And He saw a poor widow putting in two small copper coins. 3 And He said, “Truly I say to you, this poor widow put in more than all of them; 4 for they all out of their surplus put into the offering; but she out of her poverty put in all that she had to live on.”

Verily, verily, I say unto euwe, if euwe give out of a sense of compulsion, it will be of no benefit to euwe on Judgement Day. – Bible Thumper

Smirks February 11, 2015 at 8:46 am

Was there any doubt? School choice is by design nothing more than a more politically correct form of segregation meant to sidestep SCOTUS.

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what a shame February 11, 2015 at 9:47 am

Abortion by choice is nothing more than a more politically correct form of exterminating the black family. Don’t even have to sidestep SCOTUS.

vicupstate February 11, 2015 at 5:12 am

Any school accepting vouchers would have to accept the children of the poor without regard to race.

Is that written into the proposed legislation? That any school that accepts ANY voucher student, must accept ALL voucher students that applies?

Further, does the voucher cover the full cost of tuition?

Until and unless you can answer both as a YES, don’t blow smoke up everyone’s ass.

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always got your hand out February 11, 2015 at 5:37 am

Make you a deal.When Obamacare provides a voucher that covers the full cost of health insurance for ANYBODY that applies regardless of income, you got a deal.I mean the taxpayers are already funding 72% of the subsidies being given out.

You liberals are such hypocrites.

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Smirks February 11, 2015 at 8:43 am

When Obamacare provides a voucher that covers the full cost of health insurance

If we’re going that far, just eliminate the middleman altogether and have the government act as the insurer.

I mean, you’re going to bitch regardless of which one we do, so why not cut out even more bullshit?

vicupstate February 11, 2015 at 9:08 am

You conservatives are such idiots.

Only members of Congress get that level of health insurance.

The point is, the VOUCHER is a freebie to those already going to private school, it will NOT ENABLE those that really need it, to begin going to a private school. So how is it changing the status quo other than to take money out of the state budget?

Tom February 11, 2015 at 10:59 am

If Republicans were not standing in the way, we would have done the logical thing, which is to open Medicare to everyone and let it compete with private insurance, and allowed it to negotiate drug prices, like the VA does. That is what we should have done. That would have strengthened Medicare, made affordable insurance available to everyone, and brought down the cost of private insurance.

Smirks February 11, 2015 at 8:41 am

Any school accepting vouchers would have to accept the children of the poor without regard to race.

You’re assuming the children of the poor will be able to go to these schools with just vouchers, which is mistake number one.

You’re also assuming that private schools won’t have methods outside of pricing to weed out the “undesirables” regardless of what trait(s) maybe undesirable to the school.

No school choice advocate really advocates for getting every child into a quality private school, the system just has to get their kid in. They’d flip their shit if they went through getting their kid into a private school just to find out half the underperforming children or more in his/her old class is still sitting right next to him/her.

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Bible Thumper February 11, 2015 at 9:22 am

There are voucher programs that have made private education accessible to the poor. Often opponents demand requirements that would insure failure.
I would have rules similar to these.
1. If more students request admission than the school can handle then admission is determined by lottery.
2. Current private school students can continue to attend the private school, but don’t receive a voucher unless they are picked in the lottery.
3. The private school can continue to accept students who don’t receive a voucher.

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James February 11, 2015 at 10:55 am

We all know how this is gong to work. No one in SC or any other state is interested in your proposal, unless the state is run by Democrats. The School Choice movement in SC is not interested in saving public education or even making it better. They just want to get money to the people who are in private school now. That is how all of their proposals are structured. They make absolutely no provision to assure the poor can get into private schools, because they do not want them in private school. They want a tax credit, which the poor and most of the middle class cannot even use; or if they can it will not be enough for them to afford private school tuition. This is not about making quality education available to everyone and never has been
When you say people want to add in things that assure it will not work, the things you are talking about, are the things that assure the children of poor and lower middle class taxpayers will benefit.

Bible Thumper February 11, 2015 at 11:02 am

Don’t debate the issues. You’ll lose. Disparage the proponents. That works.

James February 11, 2015 at 1:10 pm

I will be happy to debate as long as you agree not to keep repeating your unsubstantiated argument that giving money to private school kids will improve public education by the magic of the free market; and by free market I mean tax subsidized market. Because giving people a tax credit to pay for a private product is not the free market. Heck, why not a tax credit for using your car instead of public transportation. Why not a tax credit for putting out your own fires instead of relying on the fire department.

If what you propose were possible, why has no School Choice group in SC proposed it. Why are all of the proposals, just a straight voucher or tax credit? Because improving public education is not the goal of any of these groups.

Bible Thumper February 11, 2015 at 1:15 pm

The current tax credit program can not be used to direct the benefit to taxpayer’s own children. In fact he can’t determine which children benefit.

James February 11, 2015 at 1:29 pm

First you should have said, “The current tax credit program can not legally be used to direct the benefit to taxpayer’s own children. In fact he can’t legally determine which children benefit.

Second, we are not debating the tax credit for special need children. We are discussing tax credits for anyone in private school.

Third, our tax credit for special need children has to be the most stupid arrangement ever devised. By letting corporations take a tax credit for giving money that will benefit private schools, we are letting those companies determine how to spend taxpayer money. They are taking credit for contributions to special needs children, when its the taxpayer making the contribution. If we want to subsidize special needs education, why don’t we do it directly. That way we can make sure its going where its needed and not to specific persons based on backroom shenanigans.

Bible Thumper February 11, 2015 at 1:47 pm

“why don’t we do it directly. That way we can make sure its going where its needed.. ”

That good ole central planning always worked. Like Cuba or Venezuela.

James February 11, 2015 at 2:07 pm

For god sakes, this is not central planning, this is a government service. You don’t let private people decide privately who gets to benefit from a government service, paid for by everyone. Should we let a private company decide privately which fire departments should be funded. Should we let a private security company decide privately who should have police protection and how to fund the police departments in the different areas.

Bible Thumper February 11, 2015 at 4:33 pm

Don’t expect people to buy in and support a system they have no say in.

James February 11, 2015 at 10:43 am

“I always hear, studies show public schools out perform private schools, but that doesn’t show is that improvement was driven by competition.”
That is because there is zero evidence to support that. You can say it, Fox can say it, the GOP can say it, because none of those give a crap about facts and evidence. But if you are an academic and you are putting your reputation on the line you know there is no evidence to support that proposition. In fact Wisconsin is evidence of the contrary.

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9" February 10, 2015 at 8:14 pm

Odd you mention,Charlotte.I have a niece there,who put her two boys in private school.While they were in private schools,she noticed her kids’ lack of reading comprehension skills,compared to their peers.She put them in public schools,although they were ‘put back’,a grade or two.
If she’d left them in private schools,they wouldn’t be in college,now.

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SCBlueWoman February 11, 2015 at 12:00 am

My kids live in NC and they tell me the private schools are white only and substandard. They are both college educated with advanced degrees. And a product of the Wake County Public School system.

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bless your heart February 11, 2015 at 5:29 am

Sounds like you raised your kids to be race-baiters just like you with advanced degrees in hate?

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GrandTango February 11, 2015 at 6:01 am

BINGO!!!!

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GrandTango February 11, 2015 at 6:00 am

In Obama’s economy, there are NO jobs for the young and degreed. Even for those spewing liberal hatred and mythology, like yours seem to be trained in, there is no opportunity. Most kids are coming back to live w/ parents.

Wonder why your kids choose to live NC instead of w/ you? And why am I not surprised?

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Jack February 11, 2015 at 9:49 am

When are you going to stop blaming Obama for your failure to get a job. Get a job, get off Medicaid.

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GrandTango February 11, 2015 at 12:25 pm

I have a job. But the numbers are very down, compared to the days of Bush..when the private-sector economy was roaring….

The people I do business with KNOW who F*#ked up the economy..and it’s been miserable since the day Obama took office..and it has gotten no better in six years…That’s just the TRUTH…

SCBlueWoman February 11, 2015 at 10:13 am

My kids and their spouses are all gainfully employed and run their own businesses on the side. They’ve been recently promoted too, all of them. What’s your damned problem?

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Tom February 11, 2015 at 10:28 am

GT did not know kids could live anywhere other than with Mom. He has been living with his Mom his whole life. Her basement works out well for him, to sit around all day and bitch about not having a job.

GrandTango February 11, 2015 at 12:23 pm

Government workers no doubt. Because that’s about the only ones w/ work these days…

SCBlueWoman February 11, 2015 at 3:05 pm

Sorry to burst your bubble but ALL of them are employed in private industry. Bless your heart.

GrandTango February 11, 2015 at 3:41 pm

And Rocky is getting giant raises every year, buying beach houses and taking a vacay overseas…while ALL REAL Data shows that’s not happening for working people…

As long as you don’t have to verify anything…you liberals can feign Utopia until your virtual world is like Obama told you it would be…LMAO… Lying Dumb@$$…

Smirks February 11, 2015 at 8:26 am

My kids live in NC and they tell me the private schools are white only

Just the way Jesse Helms intended.

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The more options the better February 11, 2015 at 9:42 am

It’s good she had options. That’s all anyone can ask, anecdotal stories go both ways obviously.

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FastEddy23 February 10, 2015 at 9:19 pm

FITS Q&A: Market based school busses too?

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Beartrkkr February 11, 2015 at 1:00 am

Nope, the poor have to find their own way to get to their new private school.

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idcydm February 10, 2015 at 9:35 pm

Not that I’m against public education but I am against Common Core. The Feds really, look at the IRS, EPA, DOJ, VA and yes the DOD…not to mention $18 plus trillion and counting.

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euwe max February 11, 2015 at 4:27 am

Without standards that work, how is the South ever going to rise again?

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idcydm February 11, 2015 at 7:09 am

We had standards when I was in school…A,B,C,D or F, worked for us did it for you?

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red raider commie? February 11, 2015 at 7:23 am

Oh Lord.You just opened a can of worms.Get ready for euwe’s I.Q., G.P.A. and that he graduated from Texas Tech with honors.
p.s. would be interesting to know what subversive organizations he was a member of…my guess is he passed out fliers for Ho Chi Minh,Mao and Malcom X

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euwe max February 12, 2015 at 1:33 am

hey… fuck you.

CNSYD February 10, 2015 at 10:08 pm

There are already education scams in NC “government-run” schools. Case in point…UNC Chapel Hill.

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Berlkley of the south February 11, 2015 at 5:21 am

A communist ‘mecca’!

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davis mcclam February 10, 2015 at 11:20 pm

I am a retired teacher. I taught in the public schools and at the college level as well as in The Dept. of Corrections. I can tell you without reservation that education in corrections is far superior to the public schools. This issue in South Carolina is not about education, it is about socialization and you can see how well that is working out.

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Centrist View February 11, 2015 at 1:47 pm

I imagine there is more discipline in the prison classroom and fewer dress code infractions.

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Timmy February 11, 2015 at 5:19 am

The legislation should include a provision that any private school accepting public money should have to live by the same state and federal rules as the public schools.

Surely the Will Folks would not advocate “picking winners and losers in the marketplace” by allowing the private schools to operate under different rules while being funded with public money.

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public schools have failed February 11, 2015 at 5:26 am

?..And churn out uneducated socialists like the public schools? You are missing the point.

If you want to play that game just give me my school taxes back.

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RogueElephant February 11, 2015 at 7:46 am

That is why vouchers don’t work. If the govt. pays , the govt. controls. A tax rebate would solve the problem. Kinda like the earned income tax credit, only for tuition. I supported vouchers for years till I realized we were only swapping the devil for the witch. The govt. can’t be involved.

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GOGOP February 11, 2015 at 9:58 am

We really need to push this. Because that is how we get back to where our schools need to be. Think about it folks. Poor people cannot use tax credits. Most minorities are poor. We can get the benefit of government funded education without having to deal with undesirables. Plus it reduces the cost of the program, since only about 1/3 of the population makes enough to take advantage of the program. Those are the people we want our kids in school with anyway. Letting in more people would defeat the purpose of private school.

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Smirks February 11, 2015 at 8:29 am

I can afford this option for my daughter, but what about the thousands of families, unlike me, who cannot afford tuition to send their child to a private school?

Thousands of families “need” private school now? Oh, uhh, I “need” a Ferrari, because, uh, my Ford isn’t a good fit with me anymore.

To be fair, I’m glad he got his kid help, but “school choice” isn’t going to get every kid who needs similar help into a private school. The poorest and the ones most in need of educational help are likely the ones that will get shafted by most “choice” programs. But that is the point, to segregate school populations into those who get help and those who are left behind. It’s all fine and dandy if your kid isn’t the one left behind though, right?

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TyroneMamaCollards February 11, 2015 at 8:57 am

I was educated in Catholic schools. They are simply the best. Bishop England in Charleston, Cardinal Newman in Columbia, and St Josephs in G’ville are outstanding. I hated it at the time but looking back, I see my parents made the right decision. But at that time, the public schools were still pretty darn good. A.C. Flora and Dreher in Columbia, North Charleston, Charleston High, and St Andrews in Charleston were all excellent. Something happened to schools beginning in the 1970s. I think uncaring black and white parents stopped giving a crap about their kids and dumped them into the SC public school system. Divorce, drug use, and family disintegration added to the problem. A kid with a parent who doe snot give a crap will not give a crap himself.

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Hmmmm February 11, 2015 at 9:40 am

“But at that time, the public schools were still pretty darn good. ”

See, that’s the thing. In my case(43 years old) my mother was poor and purposely move into rich areas to get us into good schools…my brother came up six years behind me and went to the same high school…in that amount of time it(the high school) made a very bad turn…shockingly, even though it was in a well to do area.

There’s something that seemed to happen between the 80’s & 90’s in public school in many areas that has caused a severe degradation.

I can’t help but see increased regulation and a more “hands on” approach by the Feds as part of the problem. There are systemic issues.

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Tom February 11, 2015 at 12:03 pm

So tell us what school district you are talking about. What evidence do you have of this severe degradation? Are drop out rates higher? Are standardized tests lower? How do we know your assessment is accurate; or is it just your perception. Where is the evidence? What facts are we looking at?

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Hmmmm February 12, 2015 at 12:11 am

It’s mostly anecdotal, you and I could cite studies all day long showing either point.

Here’s a good example though and a bit more extreme in time frame, let me know what you think:

http://www.bullittcountyhistory.com/bchistory/schoolexam1912.html

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Tom February 11, 2015 at 12:05 pm

Why is it surprising that a person who is now sending his kid to private school, would suddenly see the need to give money to people who send their kids to private school?

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idiotwind February 11, 2015 at 12:31 pm

your point lacks a point. there is a market-based option – private school. there’s no such thing as a ‘free market-based’ option. how could such a thing exist? its oxymoronic on a pretty simple level.

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truthmonger February 12, 2015 at 9:53 am

Wait a minute…. FITS is advocating privitization for schools, and in the same breath is advocating for free money to be given to people who can’t afford the private schools.

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weird!?! February 12, 2015 at 9:59 pm

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