Court Rules For Breakaway SC Episcopal Church

You are hopeless. You can’t even respond to one word I say. My response (and the truth backing it) must really bite YOU. Liberalism has infected you to the core and yet you masquerade as defender of conservative values (to which I am in agreement with you), all the while using typical liberal tactics of bullying and hate-filled rhetoric. I speak the truth and you obfuscate. I respond and speak the truth, and you obfuscate more. You just don’t care about truth. It has no value to you. The only thing that has value is winning the browbeating battle. It just never ends with you. Lord have mercy on your soul.

“My you’re desperate for my validation….” Ah, there we go again. More pointless and unsubstantiated pronouncements invoked solely to try and cover the fact that you can’t stay on point. I could say you’re desperate for a lot things and go on and on about which ones. But you know what, I would rather not get lost in a sea of childish babble that serves no purpose. My points still remain unaddressed no matter how much you would like to circumvent them. You can try, but my previous points still stand.

Here you go: I already vote for conservatives and, not only do I denounce liberals and liberalism as a whole, but I propose conservative solutions that actually would (and do) produce results. So, thank you for my pat on the back. I appreciate it. Not that it even matters, because that wasn’t even close to the original point of the discussion on this page. You tried really hard to move the goalposts. It was another clever attempt by you to get the discussion onto another subject, or at the very least, to somehow link them. But the fact still remains that you are a profane and uncivilized lemming who is incapable of correction in his conduct, despite you’re contention to be a representative of Christ. No amount of unbiblical “judgmental much?” rhetoric can change that.. “Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge, But he who hates reproof is stupid.”(Proverbs 12:1)
I await yet another one of your vapid responses.

No, actually, you should bother. It’s an important subject and it needs to be vetted. I will at least give you credit this time for sticking to the original point. I think there is some incredibly thick irony in the things you say and it’s astounding that someone who regularly points out irony in what others say can’t see the irony in the things he says.

“You’re like one of those Baptist Deacons”. Really? Why not a Baptist preacher or a Baptist church-goer. What exactly makes you point out a “Baptist Deacon”? Seems like you may have had a bad experience with one and that is coloring your outlook. Nevertheless, it really is nothing more than an unfair that your starting to build your point on here. I’m not now nor did I ever grow up Baptist. I have respects for many Baptist congregations, but I don’t align myself with them and I have a particular disdain for the Bob Jones brand of Independent Fundamentalist Baptism.

“Who stands by the church door, making pronouncements about who IS and who is NOT clean in the sight of God.” What deacon does this, exactly? This, again, is nothing more than an ugly caricature you’re trying to paint. No “deacon” that I know of does anything of the sort, nor is it the extremist picture you paint of what I’m trying to do. Can you not see that this is what liberals typically do? They take standards that conservatives try to hold them to and then create an extremist picture that makes conservatives seem like fascists and bigots. That’s the same thing you’re trying to do to me. I’m merely holding you up to biblical standards of personal conduct and you respond by making me out to be some fundamentalist that thinks it’s their job to point out everybody’s faults. It’s not my job to make “pronouncements about who IS and is NOT clean in the sight of God”, but it iS my job to hold a fellow brother/sister accountable for their blatant disregard for standards of conduct laid out in God’s word. Not that I can just go around indiscriminately policing it, but we started this conversation talking about the church and your praise of a particular for “sticking with Christ”. I can’t just sit by and let you get away with that kind of hypocrisy when your personal is anything but “sticking with Christ”. You’ve made up your own rules for conduct and I’m merely pointing that out. There is no gray area in your conduct that would preclude from doing so, either. Your profanity-laced, hate filled rhetoric and invective are absolutely NOT fitting as far as personal conduct goes for somebody who claims to be a Christ-follower. That’s the only issue here. Don’t try to make this into something else. Either you’re justified in your conduct, or you’re not. If you are, then just say so. Don’t try to get off topic by telling me what I’m “like”.

“I BETTER worship the way YOU deem appropriate”. Who said anything about worship? I certainly didn’t. It’s seems to be another attempt by you to obfuscate and ignore the real discussion. You want to make it seem like I’m saying something that I never brought up and use it to disregard what I said.

“Ever been called pious or sanctimonious???” Of course I have. Most Christians get called that by non-Christians. Most conservatives get called that by liberals. How exactly does this help your argument? This is another part where you missed the irony that’s incredibly thick. This is what liberals call people with whom they disagree and here you are doing it to me. I feel more and more justified calling you an undercover liberal. You simply keep proving my point.

” I was not raised by some cul-d-sac half-stepper in the burbs. I came up the hard way.” And….? Again, how does this help your argument. Do you know whether or not I “came up the hard way”? It doesn’t matter because this is another spot where you get off point, as though coming “up the hard way” entitles you to be free in regard to godly standards.

“I don’t march to norms of the soft and pampered.” If I understand you right, you think that conducting yourself in a civilized and professional manner means that one marches “to norms of the soft and pampered”. This is another spot where you are simply getting off point and trying to pretend like I live a privileged life of silver spoons in mouth whenever I want one. Expressing yourself with profanity and inflammatory invective does not mean that you’re not “soft”, nor does mean you’re “soft” if you express yourself in a mild and straightforward manner. You have a warped view of what it means to be “soft” and “pampered”. It’s easy to be hateful and use colorful language to prove your points. It’s much harder to do so with civilized points of fact and respectful argumentation. Who is really “soft” here? You’re the one taking the easy route.

“I’d NEVER need to validate myself through some self-righteous, manipulating judgmental @$$hole like you…” It’s not getting validated, nor is it about following man-made rules of religion. It’s about conducting yourself “in a manner worthy of the calling with which you have been called” (Ephesians 4:1) Talk to the apostle Paul if you think that’s just “self-righteous”, “manipulative”, or “judgmental”. Right is right and wrong is wrong. It’s not up to me. It’s all about what the Word says. You can disagree if you want, but you’re only further proving my point resorting to further name-calling. You’re just being “judgmental” yourself in calling me names and you have specious examples to back it up.

“Perhaps it is my penchant for TRUTH, honesty and consistency that has you addled”. I’ve already said I agree with you philosophically as far as conservatism goes and the lies of liberalism. I have only responded regarding this subject because YOU ignore the truth about standards set for believers. I’m not holding up some tenets of fundamentalism that put every jot and tittle of your life under a microscope (I’ve already expressed my disdain for fundamentalism), but there is no gray area in your blatant disregard for the requirement of being a follower of Christ to ensure daily pursuit of holiness/godliness. That relates to your personal conduct and character. You are right on one point. Your “consistency” in expressing yourself in the ways you do certainly does have me addled, particularly when I agree with you philosophically.

“..but for some reason, it seems you know I see you for who, and what you are…and you seem to know it…” And what would that be exactly, other than the straw men you have made me out to be? Would you not consider this to be “self-righteous” and “judgmental”? Just curious. I know if I said something like this to you regarding your conduct, you would certainly respond with this. Actually, you already have.

“But, foolishly, you think if you can denounce me, it changes what I revealed you to be”. I’m not denouncing you, per se, I’m just denouncing your hypocrisy. There is a difference. You’re getting bent out of shape for my calling you out for it, but that doesn’t change what I revealed YOU to be.

“It may be a good idea for you to let go of the religiosity, and take a look at God.” Another comment straight out of the philosophy of post-modern liberalism. If someone tries to hold you accountable for your willful trampling of the gospel, it must be out of some pharisaic religiosity. It couldn’t possibly be anything else. Being a little “judgmental” again, aren’t we? Do you look at God and God’s Word to be held accountable for your conduct? Doesn’t mean you have to be perfect, but you do have to have some regard for conducting yourself in a holy manner (notice, I didn’t say “holier than thou”). It is not an option for followers of Jesus. You don’t get to just cerebrally believe the right things and pay lip-service to them. You also don’t live on an island where your life can’t be evaluated at all (that’s postmodern philosophy). The scriptures know nothing of the sort when it comes to living your life. What matters is not necessarily religion, but whether one’s religion is true or false.

“People like you do tremendous damage to the Kingdom of God.” I don’t make the rules. I would agree with you if I was just making stuff up based on man-made traditions (like the fundamentalists do), but I couldn’t care less about man-made rules and traditions. I care about the scriptures. You don’t seem to care one bit. In defending yourself, instead of using God’s Word, you used some nonsense about “coming up the hard way” and not being “soft and pampered”. I know you don’t think anything you say or do does “damage to the Kingdom”, so what exactly does? If nothing we say or do matters, we should just stop bringing up what anybody says or does and just “live and let live”.

“I think that is a very very damaging sin that I believe will be judged harshly because you turn so many away from God, because they do not want to be like you…” Holding a professing fellow believer accountable is a “very damaging sin”? We’re not talking about non-believers here. We’re talking about you and your hypocrisy, which you have failed to acknowledge. I understand people not wanting to be like me, but I didn’t want to be like me before I was a believer. Nobody, before they become a believer in Jesus, wants to pursue holiness and be held accountable. Again, how does this make your argument? Do they want to be like you? Does any of your hate-filled rhetoric and profanity-laced tirades make them “want to be like you”? It’s just more incredibly irony. Your whole post is chock so full of it that it’s astounding.