A BLUNT PERSPECTIVE ON FERGUSON …
By FITSNEWS || We’ve never heard of James Howard Kunstler … so before we give him props for summarizing the Ferguson drama (in five words, no less), remember that disclaimer.
Anyway, in a masterful column published this week, Kunstler describes the late 18-year-old Michael Brown as “a poor candidate for martyrdom.”
Wow. That’s it … exactly. In fact we challenge anybody to top that for “main idea thinking.”
“The generous view of (Brown’s) fate is that he made a series of very poor choices one summer’s day,” Kunstler wrote, referring to the robbery and scuffle with police officer Darren Wilson that led to Brown’s fatal shooting back in August.
Indeed …
And what does Kunstler think of the violence and racially based recrimination that followed a Missouri grand jury’s decision not to indict Wilson (for anything)?
According to him, the Brown shooting is “already disappearing down the national memory hole.”
FITS has been called out for our coverage of the Ferguson saga … but we’ve got nothing on Kunstler, who gleefully indicts the mainstream media for its reckless fomentation of black outrage.
“First were the cable TV news venues, led by the race hustlers at CNN, whose limitless pandering to the intemperance of black viewers played a large part in cultivating the mood of injustice that failed to square with the objective reality of Michael Brown’s shooting at the hands of policeman Darren Wilson,” he wrote. “Every conceivable delusion generated by the event was nurtured to the max in order to amp up the melodrama at the expense of clarifying what had happened. In the end, CNN celebrities Don Lemon and Anderson Cooper got the explosion of violence that their producers had worked so hard to fuel.”
Hard to argue with that …
Kunstler has some backing from one black leader – pastor E.W. Jackson (the GOP’s 2013 lieutenant gubernatorial candidate in Virginia). According to Jackson, blacks are being “exploited and manipulated” by the racial agitators like Al Sharpton – who are seeking to make Brown a martyr.
“He committed a strong arm robbery of a convenience store and then wrestled with a police officer for his gun,” Jackson said. “We must acknowledge the truth: Michael Brown contributed to his own demise. Black folks are being exploited and manipulated by people like Al Sharpton who stoke fires and then return to their wealthy lives in the very country they condemn. It is absurd.”
It is … and while this website condemned Jackson last year for his intolerant statements against homosexuals, we wholeheartedly agree with him here.
We would also reiterate: All police officers should be “independently wired” at all times during the performance of their core functions of government – for their safety as much as ours.
Don’t get us wrong: Blacks in America have every right to be upset these days … as do whites … but we believe their anger should be directed at “the man” holding them back, not a cop who appears to have legitimately feared for his life in attempting to apprehend a robbery suspect.
Sadly, professional agitators (and their oxygen providers in the left wing media) are attempting to bend the facts of this case to suit their preferred narrative: That white people are murderous devils who need to be called out as the racists they are.
RAPID REACTION
@fitsnews with so many truly innocent people that get beat and killed by bad cops I'll never understand the need to highlight #Mike Brown
— Tim Sweeney (@KelticSC) December 1, 2014
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But the fact is: Liberal-Tarians just lead to more Democrats being elected..and you are so intoxicated on the myths, especially in relation to race…all you do is sink the country deeper in ignorance….
Until we overcome Liberal-Tarians and Liberals idiots will continue to control the media, our education systems and even our courts…and the unjust, hideous and wrong will continue to prevail…(see Obama and FITS)…
You have been cursed with a mean spirit by a stunted intellect, and blessed by its inability to realize it.
Bliberal liberal pliberal bo bah fliberal… OBAMA! blah blah liberal FITS LIBERAL!@#$%^.
Your posts are all the same.
And yet it never gets old to see him explode.
Does to me.
What’s an education system for you ? Forbidden pleasures in the barn?
You should be happy that Liberal-Tarians and Liberals exist. It gives you purpose in life.
The foundation of liberty is the defense of the accused as if he were innocent, not the innocence of the accused.
The idea that law operates without bias, even in the presence of the base elements of the masses, is noble – too noble for those whose emotions rule their minds, and reject reason as the basis of civilization.
If we yield to the basest inclinations of the beast, we erode the very legitimacy of law. If the punishment does not fit the crime, if deadly force is used recklessly, and it is excused with prejudice because of the crime, we have no reason to believe any more that the law is being dispensed as we intended, and none of us are safe from its misuse.
The same principle applies to abdicating our freedoms in the pursuit of security. A free people must find objective truth that the treatment of our lowest members is the measure of our own freedom and the limitation to the justice we lay claim to ourselves.
I’ll come back to this comment when I have more time to absorb it.
How very libertarian of you! Hats off and a salute are in order.
“The foundation of liberty is the defense of the accused as if he were innocent, not the innocence of the accused. …”
He’s coming around.
I’m a bleeding heart liberal, interested in promoting the idea that we are all in this together – not an anti-hive of lizards,, each living in its own hole.
Let’s call you “Classically Liberal”. Sound good?
:)
Don’t make my hypnotize you.
*me
are you really so paranoid that you feel that getting a disqus account will bring the Feds to your house with sniper rifles?
It’s not the Feds I fear.
It’s the people/humans/general public. The Feds aren’t interested in me.
So how are we gonna *get you*?
Oh, I can be got. Quite easily.
I’m not like Mike at the Beach, where I think I can take out 100 zombies trying to get me in my house filled with artillery.
:)
how will getting a disqus account hasten the end?
I want as many steps away as possible. It helps keep my paranoia levels low.(notice I didn’t say “gone”)
The brave die but once – a coward dies a thousand deaths.
lol…not really…the coward lives but does so in a tortured fashion at times…that’s very different from dying.
Not only that, when I need to be I can be very brave. But I have to keep a very low profile for those who rely on me.
In 15 years I might be a little more openly radical and not give a shit.
I’m probably one of the greatest threats to power around… but I insist on living like an American until they come for me… besides, the Koch brothers might offer me a nice little retirement package to shut the fuck up.
“besides, the Koch brothers might offer me a nice little retirement package to shut the fuck up.”
lol…doubtful, they are cheap bastards and hypocrites too.
Anyway, I have people to take care of, end of story for me for now until that changes and I don’t have faith in the “system” to protect free speech or not track me, put me on some list, etc. et al
They’re probably more motivated to do it because you didn’t get an account, than if you did, anyway.
irony’s a bitch…. and then they get you.
I’m relying on inherent laziness/sloth and opacity in my statements as protection.
I could be mistaken, but hopefully my rabble rousing will be considered unworthy of attention by my lords. As long as I get my dependents into non-dependency I’m at peace with Big Brother doing whatever to me for my words and disdain towards them after that point.
…besides, the Koch brothers might offer me a nice little retirement package to shut the fuck up.
TBG is hoping for much the same from George Soros.
Clear blue water and sugar white sand… here we come!
simply “liberal” will do nicely. The dictionary definition hasn’t changed.
It’s not like Coca Cola, and I’ve changed the ingredients.
“simply “liberal” will do nicely.”
If accuracy is a must, fine. One can always hope. I’m a sucker for lost causes.
I’m a sucker for lost causes.
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sounds vaguely liberal.
“A free people must find the objective truth that the treatment of our lowest members is the measure of our own freedom and the limitation to the justice we lay claim to ourselves.”
…and even subjectively, a moral people should always yield to “natural law”(whether you think it’s instilled by God or not) on the issue of both crime & punishment.
In other words, you don’t shoot a kid over stealing an apple, and to most you shouldn’t have to explain why.
It’s the power of CS Lewis’s argument for God on the basis of a collectively similar subjective morality. I can acknowledge it even though I’m an agnostic.
But, that is why the argument over whether Wilson attacked Brown or vice versa is very important….and even further the issue of whether Wilson was truly afraid of Brown while shooting at him when he was running away.
I have my doubts…even if Brown was petty criminal and bully who might have one day been a hardened criminal.
The closest witness and friend of Brown, who was never charged with a crime, disagrees with Wilson’s testimony…so no one can say definitively what the truth really is.
This part of the truth I can say confidently is – Brown was executed for assault.
I’m not even sure if I can agree with you view on “assault”, in that if Wilson tried to hit him with the cruiser door Brown could be considered as having defended himself.
If you are referring to the store incident, I suppose so….but I’m still unclear as to whether the officer actually knew that there was a chance Brown was the criminal as the cigarello’s were never found at the scene from my understanding…oddly enough.
I don’t think anyone has disputed that the argument started over Wilson telling them to “get the fuck out of the middle of the street” and a “fuck you” rejoinder in essence back from Brown before things escalated.(paraphrasing)
I’m not even sure if I can agree with you view on “assault”, in that if Wilson tried to hit him with the cruiser door Brown could be considered as having defended himself.
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again, independent of the facts – the takeaway is that assault of an officer of the law is grounds for the death penalty.
It is the Raison d’être of the Grand Jury’s decision, and everyone who agrees it was a righteous shoot.
“again, independent of the facts”
lol!
“he takeaway is that assault of an officer of the law is grounds for the death penalty.”
99% of the time, yes…and Boobus Americanus agrees.
Now and then a light peeks through, and Boobus does the right thing…but the sheepdogs are there to eventually correct even that:
http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2014/11/is-disarming-cop-capital-offense.html
“The takeaway is that assault of an officer of the law is grounds for the death penalty.”
99% of the time, yes…and Boobus Americanus agrees.
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Not exactly what the fondling fathers envisioned, I feel fairly certain.
Of course not, but they were elitists for better or worse.
That we have not been able to evolve to their level in 238 years doesn’t say much for us, does it?
IDK, I can actually understand their elitist tendencies even though I want freedom for the common man.
It can be depressing. The thing is, as you aptly state(and have stated), the “fondling fathers” were a bit of mischief making elitists, semi-criminal(in a good way), slaver pigs that had noble thoughts from time to time.
It’s all pretty damn complicated and makes me wanna have a hard cider.(or apple jack in the day)
Fight the good fight while you’re sober, so that there’ll be more apple jack when you’re done.
Get your facts straight. Anytime a suspect puts his hands on a police officer’s weapon and tries to wrest it from his control, the encounter becomes a deadly force incident. While this is never the preferred outcome, the shooting was 100% justified. You also are leaving out yhe gross disparity in size between the suspect 6’4″, 300+lb) and the officer (5’9″, 175lb). Neither I nor anyone I know that works in law enforcement goes looking for this kind of confrontation. Perhaps, sir, you should ask yourself, Since when is it acceptable behavior to curse at a police officer giving a lawful order, violently shoplift a pack of cigarillos, assault a police officer, or try to take his weapon? If you want to feel sympathy for someone, do so for Darren Wilson. All he did was perform his job and survive an encounter with a member of the public, anf his life as he knew it is ruined.
Get your facts straight. Anytime a suspect puts his hands on a police officer’s weapon and tries to wrest it from his control, the encounter becomes a deadly force incident.
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He wasn’t shot to death while trying to wrest it from his control – if that happened – he was shot to death 153 feet away from there… unarmed… for assault, or the threat of assault.
6’4″, 300+lb) and the officer (5’9″, 175lb)
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Get my facts straight? My god, are you trying to get sympathy for being too stupid to live?
Wilson is 6’4″ and 210 pounds, not 5’9, 175 lb; Brown was 6’3″ and weighed 290 pounds, not 6’4, 300+ lb.
Since when is it acceptable behavior to curse at a police officer giving a lawful order, violently shoplift a pack of cigarillos, assault a police officer, or try to take his weapon? If you want to feel sympathy for someone, do so for Darren Wilson. All he did was perform his job and survive an encounter with a member of the public, anf his life as he knew it is ruined.
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since we’re talking about “acceptable” – is the death penalty for assault, “acceptable?”
Actually, what Brown did is referred to as strongarm robbery.
It isn’t hard to kill someone with your bare hands. Even easier if you are twice their size. Think about men versus women as a prime example. We have no issue with a smaller woman defending herself with lethal force when she is assaulted by a larger, more physically powerful male.
It isn’t hard to kill someone with your bare hands.
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Much easier with a gun, isn’t it?
That’s why we need more guns on the street. Hell, if the two of them were armed, this would never had to have happened.
…the cigarello’s were never found at the scene from my understanding…
He done smoked ’em.
… and the problem is???
Lesson Learned: Don’t start a fight you can’t win.
That might be the lesson Brown learned, but we learned a different lesson – the death penalty for assault.
Never bring a fist to a gunfight? Common sense is so uncommon these days…
Look up the word “executed”. Wilson shot in “self defense”. He did not “execute” Brown.
fear of assault.
And his statement as to what happened didn’t fit the forensic evidence. I’ll take science over the testimony of a biased witness any day.
The closest witness and friend of Brown was not credible.
That is why the ransack stores in large groups. Beat the system anyway they can and then yell racism! Racism has become a word meaning free pass!
I didn’t know Big Mike was a “they.”
Also, I didn’t mention race – you did.
I didn’t know Big Mike was a “they.”
Sheeeeeet.
Dude was big enough to have his own zip code.
You so fat…
This train won’t stop in Tucumcari.
Oh…. *this* train will stop in Tucumcari!
It just *looks” like Tucumcari!
Keep dem dogeys movin Rawhide!
I don’t even recognize the place!
Sounds like you’re taking Darren Wilson’s side because it seems the “public” was more interested in lynching him than the truth.
Most people hear what they’re thinking, and call it listening.
Hmmm…. And yet you fail to yield to Darren Wilson the same treatment and protections you demand for Brown. Why is that?
How did I fail to yield to Darren Wilson the same treatment and protections I demand for Brown?
Better yet – what did I actually say that makes you think that?
When do white people start rioting? Of course nothing will ever be said of this murder over the weekend.
http://twitchy.com/2014/11/30/story-to-watch-teens-beat-motorist-to-death-with-hammers-in-st-louis/
White people only riot over football games and shit like that.
I saw two white people almost come to blows over one of them buying all of the $9.99/lb salmon in the fish section of Earth Fare. I wanted to slap both of them but I was too pissed off because had I gotten there five minutes earlier, that salmon could have been mine. All mine.
I’ve seen several of those stories over the weekend. Of course everyone of the accompanying photos shows a pretty well mixed crowd – so why don’t we go with “stupid people of all colors riot over football games…”
Because the other fake-named non-entity specifically referenced white people rioting. Hence my white-specific response.
Wrong Buz. Hockey games and soccer are the white man’s riot of choice. I don’t think Green bay has ever burnt the town, they own the team.
In general, true. But there have been football game related riots, mostly for college teams. Does not mean it’s a major trend.
Just goofing with you Buz. I think it would safe to say that males of all races lose their minds on occasion when it comes to sports.
A sickening incident.
It’s Hammer time!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo&list=RDotCpCn0l4Wo#t=4
I’ll bet the Bosnian people will have something to say. They think the ghettos are Disney World.
Kuntsler made his mark as a writer in Rolling Stone in the early ’70, and continues to write for them. He also gets published steadily in The Atlantic Monthly, Slate and The New York Times. None of them “conservative” publications. Yet his words resonate with many who read them.
The lines for “the left” and “the right” are not nearly as severely drawn as the fanatics on either side would have us believe. Not everyone guzzles the Koolaide from either. That’s a good piece. Thanks for sharing.
While this media circus has been happening,what other injustices have taken place?
Violence against gays is much more common than against blacks,but is more likely to go unreported;I’ve seen it for most of my life,and it’s as if gays live in a different world.If you get the shit beaten out of you by some rednecks outside a gay bar,you go to the ER.A gay friend of mine was stopped by the cops leaving a gay bar for suspicion of DUI,but he wasn’t a drinker.The cop made a mess of his face,and he spent three days in the hospital.He could have called an attorney,but he didn’t think it was worth it.
Look up the three-man riot in Boiling Springs — in a hot tub!
Remember things can always be worse. You could be a gay, black, shoplifting bully.
“…We must acknowledge the truth: Michael Brown contributed to his own demise…”
Contributed to it!?!? He created it.
Let’s look at the sequence of events Brown set into motion:
Saturday 9 Aug 2014
1150 – Brown commits a strong arm robbery and assaults the store keeper (obviously had he not robbed th e store and assaulted the owner none of this would have happened)
1151 – A call goes out about a robbery at a convenience store. The dispatcher gives a description of the robber and says the suspect is walking toward the Quick Trip convenience store.
1157 – Brown, found walking in the middle of the street in the direction of the Quick Trip ignores the order of Officer Wilson to get out of the street and up on the sidewalk (had he been on the sidewalk, Wilson would probably not have even noticed him)
1201 – Brown is lying dead in the middle of the street after attempting to assault Officer Wilson. According to forensic evidence and eye witnesses, Brown reached through the police vehicle window and assaulted Officer Wilson. According to testimony and evidence, Wilson shot brown inside the car while the two struggled over the weapon. Brown backed off and then according to witnesses and forensic evidence, began to close the distance on Officer Wilson again resulting in the fatal shots. (Yeah, don’t assault a pussy with a weapon while telling him he’s “…to big of a pussy to shoot…” you)
death penalty for assault.
Mind if I call it the temerity to disobey police?
I don’t necessarily grant that the fight started with Brown assaulting the peace officer in his car….the “12:01” portion of Colonel’s argument is based on hearsay/witnesses, with many variations, and the forensic evidence doesn’t prove who assaulted who.
Independent of who assaulted who, the prevailing opinion is that he was shot to death for assaulting a police officer.
The take away isn’t that he might not have assaulted a police officer, but that on the word of the officer, it is grounds for the death penalty.
See my above analysis on the classification of “assault”…when it comes to the officer I’m not even prepared to grant that.
The hunchback curses King Richard.
You don’t have to grant it for it to become part of the zeitgeist… the default perception that the penalty for assault of a police officer is the death penalty.
On that we agree….they are the anointed, we the dirty masses, not even allowed self defense if set upon by them unfairly. (and it never happens too!)
They are the Lord’s anointed. Defiling a representative of the Lord with thine hands will invoke the wrath of God, and ye shalt surely die.
Had he not charged the police officer after being shot at several times he’d still be alive – Michael Brown made all the choices that resulted n his death.
Had he not charged the police officer
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Convenient that there’s no video of that “fact.”
disagreeing testimony too….I just don’t understand why everyone is so “sure” of their opinion either way…
It makes them feel “one” with the “good guys” in the white hats.
A person can only take so much disillusionment before he feels like a cynic.
No conspiracy at all Ferguson didn’t have the money to have “Officer Cams” – Columbia doesn’t have them either – they began experimenting with them in – wait for it – August….
Dude, he didn’t say there was a “conspiracy”. There’s a bunch of conflicting testimony, nothing more or less.
I didn’t claim conspiracy… just flagged the use of the “charging” claim as fact.
No, genius, he was shot to death for repeatedly ignoring orders from a law enforcement agent, repeatedly charging at the law enforcement agent, and grabbing at the law enforcement agents firearm. Circumstances that would have gotten the corniest no dancing white guy shot as well.
No, genius he was shot to death for [description of assault]
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You sound like just the sort of person who wouldn’t be ashamed to cower before authority’s big… gun.
Not if I can get to mine first.
*horrors* … are you actually considering the possibility that putting on a uniform doesn’t remove a person’s pride, envy, hates, and love of power?
I don’t fear the police. I abide by the common laws that govern a civil society. Clearly Mike Brown did not and that’s unfortunate.
It’s unfortunate that police officers can deliver the death penalty for simple assault.
How many chances should Darren Wilson have given Mike Brown to grab his firearm and use it against him? This isn’t a fucking Tootsie Roll Pop.
This isn’t a fucking Tootsie Roll Pop.
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Nope – it’s the death penalty for assault.
Broken record much?
Does it matter? Fecally speaking, of course.
Wow – you allege I have “faulty reasoning” and then you come up with this line of bovine excreta.
“The distance from the front wheel of the officer’s S.U.V. to Mr. Brown’s body was 153 feet, 9 inches, an investigator said. Farther away from the car, the investigator showed with photographs, were two blood-spatter patterns — evidence that Mr. Brown was moving toward the officer, and the car, when he was killed in the second flurry of shots.
Moving towards the officer is quite different than “charging” – as you may know from your experience in the military, men sometimes “walk.”
Really? The forensic evidence and witness testimony clearly shows that Brown was inside the drivers compartment of the police vehicle when he was shot at twice (one shot grazed his hand).
How many times have you been invited into the drivers seat of a police car – especially through the window?
You are assuming that Wilson didn’t initiate….my quote:
“the forensic evidence doesn’t prove who assaulted who”
Unless there’s a definition change for “assault” I stand by my comment.
That “hand graze” could be the result of Wilson’s pistol firing while Brown had a grip on the slide, and not be the result of bullet impact. Powder burns consistent with this scenario.
Wilson had hold of Brown’s arm. That kind of makes it an invitation, doesn’t it?
There’s a moral to the story…
yes, there is – authority sucks balls.
Don’t screw with people who carry guns – cops or not.
What are you maddest about that Wilson shot him or that he “got away with it”?
I’m not mad at all.
Here come the character assassinations…no un-PC opinion allowed. Hell, even if you speculate in the wrong manner you’re a pig.
Just very emotional?
I’m one of those “intellecshuls” you’ve heard so much about – I don’t trust in emotions alone – I allow all of the mental abilities I possess evaluate the meaning of things, and try to remember that I am a member of the human race, and that my feelings of self-worth, integrity and character is expressed through my opinion.
Hell, I even believe that the scientific method produces the closest thing human beings have to the truth… and that there is a God who actually embodies the perfection of our feelings for our loved ones and each other, as well as the imperfect concepts we extract from our environment, and synthesize for predictive purposes.
Put that in with the shit in your pipe and smoke it.
You believe in God? Hilarious.
Pretty funny huh? And I’m not even a Republican!
I could tell you that I’m the Queen of England, but that doesn’t mean it’s true.
Unless you’re a cop – then it becomes a fact.
Plug your mangina with something extra absorbent and take a breather.
Is that what you do?
I’m simply responding to sloppy reasoning and ignorance of facts.
Sloppy reasoning and ignorance of facts – really Euwe? I’ll give you the “sloppy reasoning” since we obviously disagree on the causation but you can confirm every fact I provided through the grand jury testimony – a long and boring airplane ride read. I don’t assert things to be facts unless I can back them up. If I use the words “I think” then its opinion – otherwise, you can take it to the bank as being factually correct.
Please provide an instance where I asserted anything that is factually incorrect
1. You said the official autopsy proved that he was not shot while running away. The official autopsy performed by Dr. Melinek said that the sixth shot that hit the forearm traveled from the back of the arm to the inner arm, which means Brown’s palms could not have been facing Officer Wilson.
2. You said that he didn’t run away, he backed off according to eyewitnesses whose stories held up. That’s not true – he ran MORE than 153 feet away before stopping and turning around.
3. You said that he “charged” officer Wilson, not that “witness 10” claimed that he charged officer Wilson. Since you didn’t say “I think,” that means you’re using hearsay as a fact, which it is not.
“Since you didn’t say “I think,” that means you’re using hearsay as a fact, which it is not.”
Precisely….and it’s why I’m a cynic. He’s fairly intelligent too but the agenda wins out.
..he even seems a little upset… I imagine it’s those many years of domination and lowered tails within a Prussian system of government.
my favorite album around college time:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs35t2xFqdU
The torment of school children is a global phenomenon.
Euwe Max thinks Brown should have gotten off with a couple of noogies, a hug and a coupon for a free Personal Pan Pizza from Pizza Hut. Kumbaya y’all.
Arrested, jailed, released on bond, charged, tried, and if found guilty, punished.
Just like anyone else.
Nah man, puppies, guys like Brown just need puppies.
Hardly sounds like a Republican solution… I was expecting.. oh, I don’t know – the death penalty?
What’s makes you think I’m a republican?
Arrested, jailed, charged, released on bond, tried, and if found guilty, punished.
Just like anyone else.
Has it occured to you that if Wilson had not shot Brown deader ‘n Kelsey’s nuts…Brown would have attacked him (again),taken his gun (successfully, this time) and killed him (Officer Brown)?
And Euwe and TBG would have never heard about it.
*Stares sternly*
Don’t make TBG post his “Pro Tips” again.
Has it occured to you that if Wilson had not shot Brown deader ‘n Kelsey’s nuts…Brown would have attacked him (again),taken his gun (successfully, this time) and killed him (Officer Brown)?
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It occurs to me that is the description of the death penalty for assault – or rather, fear of assault.
..and don’t stare at me sternly, or I’ll shoot!
*Blinks – looks away*
[See how easy that was.]
Now *my people don’t have to pause their protest of the redskins to come loot and pillage a Texas town.
Don’t you hate it when that happens?
…don’t stare at me sternly, or I’ll shoot!
*Blinks….averts eyes*
[See how easy that was?]
Now my people won’t have to stop protesting the Washington Redskins and controlling America’s foreign policy from behind the scenes…juuuuuust to come protest and loot a Texas town…..
I’ll have my people call your people, and we’ll talk about whether you were charging me or not.
Actually it was scuffle*bam*!*bam*! out of the truck *bam*!*bam*! travel some distance *bam*!*bam*!*bam*!*bam*!*bam*!*bam*!*bam*!*bam*!*bam*!*bam*!*bam*! *bam*!*bam*!*bam*!*bam*!*bam*!*bam*!*bam*!*bam*!*bam*!*bam*!
The one fact we can assert with little chance of being challenged is that Officer Wilson is a non-shooting mofo
No shit!
I’ve noticed that in the movies… the good guy is shot at by hundreds of bad guys, and they *always* miss.. and no one *ever* gets shot on the fire escape – on *either* side.
Maybe Wilson saw those movies too.
According to Wilson, he was skeered.. maybe he was shaking, adrenalin rushing and pissing all over himself. I’m a pretty good shot – I could have shot Big Mike with a pistol at 50 yards, and he was much closer! “Get on the ground!” Stop, steady, three shots. Steady, three shots. He dead. Three in center mass, three in the head… but a .40 cal jumps more than I’d like – a 9mm would be plenty for an out of shape fat kid.
1.Check your conclusion on the facts of Dr. Melinek’s autopsy: http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/10/22/new-information-released-on-michael-brown-case/
2. I said he backed OFF, not up., even provided the link to the distance measured.
3. Multiple witnesses said he charged.
Sorry, Colonel. Multiple witnesses did not say Brown charged. The (parenthetical comments are by Mark Sumner, who collated and evaluated witness testimony into a timeline.)
1st grand jury witness: “[Brown] was walking back towards him and [Wilson] started, he started shooting. He just kept shooting
… He shot like maybe three or four times, and [Brown] stopped. And then [Wilson] just started shooting again.”
Federal Witness 16: “After that, he then turn, had his hands in the air, by the time that I saw him have his hands in the air, he got shot …. I did not see him move towards the police at any time.”
Witness 10: “I’m seeing [Brown] coming at a aggressive speed and just in a charge mode towards the police officer.” ( Inac-curately describes cars, positions of players, and provides apparently invented comments by Johnson at the end of the event. Also initially reports that he is working with others, then claims to be working alone. Details of his narrative change under questioning enough to make his testimony questionable.)
Witness 12: “[Brown] turned around back towards facing the cop kind of walking back towards him slow ….”
Witness 14: “Michael took a step off the sidewalk. As soon as his foot hit the street the officer let loose wham, wham, wham….”
Witness 25: “The next thing I know, I see the African-American guy walking back….I see the Caucasian officer steadily opening fire, aiming at the African-American guy’s chest area.”
Witness 30: “He walked back toward the officer. … His hands were down at his sides. And within maybe six or ten feet from the officer, and cop shot him. He appeared to be walking.” (may be unreliable witness — reported that Brown had a gun.)
Witness 42: “[Brown] steps closer to [Wilson], surrendering himself…. So walked up on him. … he was walking to the officer
with his hands up. … [Wilson] continued to fire every round.” (In comments, he said that Brown’s motion toward Wilson “probably scared the shit” out of Wilson, though Brown was walking slowly, and that Wilson’s actions “were not protocol.” Like several witnesses, he was shaken by the number and speed of shots.)
Witness 45: “[Brown] goes to the pole. He turns around, and he’s walking back. … And when he turned back around the police shot again.”
Witness 48: “[Wilson shot] only when [Brown] was charging at him.” (was positioned in the center of the second row of a minivan, and may have had a somewhat restricted view.)
So, a lot of “walking” and not much “charging”.
All said he turned and approached the officer, two said “charged” or “moved aggressively”. All said Wilson shot when Brown was facing Wilson. No back shots negate the allegation that he was shot retreating and the forensics overrule #42’s assertion that he had hands up.
Frankly I don’t really care what Brown did after he instigated this event. The bottom line is he started it and he forced it to spin out of control. Had he not stolen the cigars and assaulted the clerk he’d still be alive, had he obeyed the officer and gotten out of the street he’d still be alive – from that point on he dug his own grave. Had he not got high that morning he might still be alive. Had his skinny friend with the dreads stopped him at any point he might still be alive.
I know we won’t agree on this, I respect your opinions, but Michael Brown dug his own grave that day.
1. Check your conclusion on the facts of Dr. Melinek’s autopsy – With regard to the arms, there was only one injury that was from the back — an injury to “the posterior portion of the right forearm” (198:25). The ME indicated that it is extremely difficult to identify, from bullet wounds, the position of the arms at the time of a shot because “you’ve got . . . an elbow joint, you have a shoulder joint and then the wrist, you have a lot of mobility within that arm and it can be in a lot of scenarios” (133:11). “A sixth shot that hit the forearm traveled from the back of the arm to the inner arm, which means Brown’s palms could not have been facing Wilson.
2. I said he backed OFF – off or up, 153 feet is a lot of going backwards in a short amount of time – I didn’t see *any* support for “backing off” in any reporting I’ve read. Did you make that up, or remember it wrong? Only 90 seconds passed between Officer Wilson’s first encounter with the youths and the arrival of a backup police car, just after the shooting stopped. 153 feet in 90 seconds is RUNNING!
3. Multiple witnesses said he charged. Most of the roughly two dozen witnesses who saw the fatal gunfire Aug. 9 told the grand jury they observed something that was both upsetting and bewildering to them — a wounded black man, his hands raised somehow, walking toward the white police officer who was shooting at him.
Best explanation I’ve seen for the arm wound is that Brown had his arm in a “defensive position” as if to ward off a blow. Melinek has repeatedly said that Brown’s wound could not have come while Brown “…Had his hands up…”.
“Back off” is my term for opening the distance in a violent encounter. I don’t know if he ran, walked or was teleported. I do know that if you advance on me (charge, walk, saunter or skip) I will end the encounter before you can put your hands on me. I’m smaller than both of these guys at 6’1″, 225 but am reasonably well trained in combatives. In fact, I’m well trained enough to know that my better option is to shoot you before you can close the distance again – the difference between 225 and 290 in a close fight is enormous, the added height and reach can also be deadly. You almost always hear cops use the term “…get on the ground…”, you’ll almost never hear them say “…continue coming towards me…” unless the tactical situation dictates.
Walking towards him – your words, the words of some of the witnesses. In a violent encounter that’s called closing the distance. I’ve already explained why you don’t allow that to happen. Wilson had already had a violent encounter with Brown.
Truth is, despite our firm convictions none of us know what happened, the testimony can be spun in infinite directions. Had Brown not robbed the store, none of this would have happened. Did he deserve to fire – no. Did he set into motion the events that ended in his death – yes.
Best explanation I’ve seen for the arm wound is that Brown had his arm in a “defensive position” as if to ward off a blow. Melinek has repeatedly said that Brown’s wound could not have come while Brown “…Had his hands up…”.
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Best explanation I’ve seen is that he was shot while running away.
“Back off” is my term for opening the distance in a violent encounter.
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really? You said that he wasn’t running away. Are you ready to change that, or are you sticking with he wasn’t running 153 feet in less than 90 seconds, because he was “backing off” instead?
Walking towards him – your words, the words of some of the witnesses.
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Most of the witnesses.
truth is, despite our firm convictions none of us know what happened
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My objective was to point out sloppy thinking and ignorance of the facts.
Just found this diagram of the scene: http://www.stltoday.com/michael-brown-shooting-scene-diagram/pdf_92c14ae3-8c5f-59ef-938b-664d66feea96.html
Turns out Wilson is a worse shot than I thought – 21 shots, 6 hits. However, note where the brass is found of the second shooting site – all well within 25 feet of the body – not “150+” feet away. The site sketch also shows that Brown had closed the distance to within feet of where the shots were fired from )based on the location of the brass and experience from firing any number of automatic pistols, the brass would be with in 8-10 feet of the shooter).
Whether Wilson was chasing and shooting at a fleeing felon (multiple counts of assault and resisting arrest by this point) or firing on an attacker he would have been justified – however, with the one exception of a shot that can in the words on the corner
Turns out Wilson is a worse shot than I thought – 21 shots, 6 hits. However, note where the brass is found of the second shooting site – all well within 25 feet of the body – not “150+” feet away.
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I never said a word about how far Wilson was from Big Mike when he shot him to death.
Whether Wilson was chasing and shooting at a fleeing felon he would have been justified
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The Fort Worth Police Dept. has a long history of delivering felons with holes in their backs to the morgue, and subsequent autopsies noting the “wound in the chest.” Nothing new there. Shooting felons in the back is a sanctioned Texas State sport… although even here, they like to make sure they’re *already* felons, and not created by virtue of their death.
(In other words, she examined the body and she doesn’t know what happened either – she doesn’t even know when he was shot in the arm)
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I don’t know why you made that a parenthetical – I’ve known this, and said so, since first blush.
I give – nobody won at least not anybody in Ferguson…
It’s a target rich environment for speculation about “facts,” when one of the witnesses is shot to death, and there’s no video.
That’s when emotion and people’s world view come out, and we get to see how much people rely on reason and law, and how much tolerance they have for violence for their perceived “side.”
Things are getting better, but we can’t let that stop us from improving.
I sometimes superimpose my world view with the workmanship of master craftsmen.. the quality they put into the work of their hands.. that really can’t be explained, but rather experienced.. guns, swords, knives, plants, sculpture, leather, civil engineering, literature, art, music, games, philosophy… quality speaks to me more from something essentially “human” than from a particular artist – there is a nobility in us that yearns for perfection… that appreciates creative integrity… that honors it.
The innocence of young minds applying themselves to the hard work of life, the challenges, the joy…. falling, rising again… persevering.. conquering… growing.. the chain of our cumulative experience and lust for life.. it is this light, I believe, that our collective being is determined not to let go out.
Well… that is, except for Republicans, of course.
Don’t walk in the middle of the street, don’t grab a cops gun, don’t be a fucking idiot…
It’s so easy, a caveman could do it.
Should the police officer allow the assault to continue? Should the officer assume that Brown will not use the officer’s weapon against him once Brown beats the officer unconscious? At what point does Brown have the right to kill the officer instead of the officer killing Brown?
at the point where he’s running away?
I believe the evidence conclusively established (by everyone’s medical examiner) that Brown was never shot in the back as he ran away from the officer.
I believe the evidence conclusively established (by everyone’s medical examiner) that Brown ran away.
Then he stopped, turned around and charged the officer, as agreed upon by the family’s ME and the state’s ME. Brown had already beaten the officer, so the officer was faced with stopping the threat or allowing another beating. The officer stopped the threat, and the grand jury agreed that the officer was within his rights. Brown was in control of the situation at every turn. He could have paid for the cigars, he could have not walked in the road after robbing the store, he could have followed the officer’s instructions to get out of the road, he could have not assaulted the officer. Quite simply, this was Brown’s fault, regardless of anyone’s hatred of authority.
Then he stopped, turned around and charged the officer, as agreed upon by the family’s ME and the state’s ME.
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No it wasn’t.
Maybe not on “Ihatecops.com” with their thoughtful reporting. But the Grand Jury heard evidence from no less than three autopsies that all agreed; Brown was never shot in the back.
no less than three autopsies that all agreed; Brown was never shot in the back.
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that he wasn’t shot in the back isn’t the same thing as being shot (or shot at) while running away.. as I’m sure you will *now* agree.
Shortly you will also agree that the autopsies showed nothing conclusive about whether Brown was actually shot while running away.
I’m glad that you *now* see that Brown was not shot in the back. The officer did not shoot “at” him while he was fleeing either. Brown was shot as he charged the officer to continue Brown’s assault.
Again, if you are being beaten, should you wait to see if the assailant kills you before defending yourself?
I’m glad that you *now* see that Brown was not shot in the back.
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You need to wipe the shit out of your eyes. I never, ever, said or implied that Brown was shot in the back. Talk about your red herring.. that’s a red Sperm Whale.
The officer did not shoot “at” him while he was fleeing either. Brown was shot as he charged the officer to continue Brown’s assault.
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If that’s what you choose to believe more power to you. Mitt Romney believes in the planet Kolob, and that he’s gonna get a whole planet to populate when he dies.
Again, if you are being beaten, should you wait to see if the assailant kills you before defending yourself?
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Um.. “if you are being beaten?” I hate to burst your bubble, but Brown wasn’t even close to Wilson when he was shot to death… much less “being beaten.”
…that he wasn’t shot in the back isn’t the same thing as being shot (or shot at) while running away..
True.
Perhaps Officer Wilson is the Jameis Winston of police. Sure he misfires some…but when it REALLY counts…
Before Saturday, teams that threw 4 INTs in a game……..0 – 20. After Saturday… 1-21.
I’d love to hear what proof you have that disputes what 12 grand jury jurists heard and agreed upon.
1. Dr. Melinek’s autopsy – With regard to the arms, there was only one injury that was from the back — an injury to “the posterior portion of the right forearm” (198:25). The ME indicated that it is extremely difficult to identify, from bullet wounds, the position of the arms at the time of a shot because “you’ve got . . . an elbow joint, you have a shoulder joint and then the wrist, you have a lot of mobility within that arm and it can be in a lot of scenarios” (133:11). “A sixth shot that hit the forearm traveled from the back of the arm to the inner arm, which means Brown’s palms could not have been facing Wilson.
2. Brown ran away from Wilson – Only 90 seconds passed between Officer Wilson’s first encounter with the youths and the arrival of a backup police car, just after the shooting stopped. 153 feet in 90 seconds is RUNNING!
3. Most of the roughly two dozen witnesses who saw the fatal gunfire Aug. 9 told the grand jury they observed something that was both upsetting and bewildering to them — a wounded black man, his hands raised somehow, walking toward the white police officer who was shooting at him.
Math obviously isn’t your strong suit….153 feet- 50 yards.. A tall mans stride is about a yard per step… 50 steps in 90 seconds is a slow walk. The ghetto rat had just committed two felonies….it was Wilsons DUTY to persue.
Actually, Big Mike crossed that distance in *much less* than 90 seconds.
1. Wilson radioed for backup. This starts the 90 second clock
2. Using his police cruiser, he blocked Big Mike and his friend’s path.
3. With Wilson still seated in the car and Big Mike standing outside, “an altercation took place”, said Mr McCulloch. He said that witnesses described the altercation as “tussling, wrestling, tug of war or just some movement”.
4. Wilson fired two shots; Big Mike’s thumb was grazed. A medical examination later showed that Wilson’s face had some swelling and redness.
5. This starts the running part – Bleeding, Big Mike ran east, chased by Wilson. Then he stopped. Blood splatter was visible at that point.
6. Big Mike then turned around and moved towards Wilson. This ends the running part.
7.Wilson fired several more shots, including the fatal one. The backup arrived, ending the 90 second clock.
Big Mike didn’t look like he was in that great a shape, but if the “tussle” lasted more than a minute, and any time at all passed between stopping, and turning around.. he was hauling ass!
Read them all, every entry wound is on the front of his body, including the two in his head. Brown may have been “shot at” while he had his back turned but he was not shot. Witnesses to the Grand Jury say he was approaching Wilson when Wilson was firing.
Another lesson learned out of this debacle of a tragedy is that most cops need to spend more time on the range. 12+ rounds fired with just 6 hits. He (Wilson) is damn lucky no innocent bystanders were hit. Our own former trooper shot four times at close range with just one hit and it was just grazing.
With regard to the arms, there was only one injury that was from the back — an injury to “the posterior portion of the right forearm” (198:25). The ME indicated that it is extremely difficult to identify, from bullet wounds, the position of the arms at the time of a shot because “you’ve got . . . an elbow joint, you have a shoulder joint and then the wrist, you have a lot of mobility within that arm and it can be in a lot of scenarios” (133:11). “A sixth shot that hit the forearm traveled from the back of the arm to the inner arm, which means Brown’s palms could not have been facing Wilson.
He didn’t run away, he backed off according to eyewitnesses whose stories held up.
backed off 153 feet, 9 inches?
lol….don’t forgot the “investigators” didn’t measure the crime scene offically…nor did they record Wilson’s original statements to investigating officers. They also allowed him to wash his hands and put his own gun into evidence without any investigatory collection prior:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/11/27/darren_wilson_s_unusual_unorthodox_actions_after_shooting_michael_brown.html?wpsrc=fol_tw
He was not shot a single time while “running away” according to three separate autopsies. He was only hit six times though Office Wilson fired more than 12 shots.
He was not shot a single time while “running away” according to three separate autopsies.
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That’s not true.
It is absolutely true – http://graphics8.nytimes.com/newsgraphics/2014/11/24/ferguson-evidence/assets/reports/2014-5143-autopsy-report.pdf
In fact, here’s a link to the whole file: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/11/25/us/evidence-released-in-michael-brown-case.html
Your delusion is showing. In your world, bad guys are allowed to go for a cop’s gun, but when the cop (thankfully) is able to fend off the first part of the attack, the cop then has to mysteriously call off the whole thing as the wounded bad guy slips away into the community? That’s bizarre. The cop had a duty to pursue the guy. Forget for a moment the duty to protect society from cretins who rob stores and attack cops- what if the clown had run off and bled to death in an alley? My God, the same zealots calling for the cop’s head now would be screaming that he was a callous murderer for not giving chase. There most certainly *is* a death penalty for assault when that assault involves an attempt to take a gun from ANYONE. No court has EVER ruled that cops (or citizens) have to wait until they’re being beaten to death or shot with their own weapon before they can defend themselves. You’ve glommed onto a pretty piss-poor martyr, and your logic sucks. You’ll have to win by sheer repetition (a la Joseph Goebbels). The shooting in Ferguson was more Darwinian than anything else, and the left’s position that it somehow represents the large-scale oppression of young black males nationwide will do more to hurt those young black males than anything the fringy racists could ever have hoped to accomplish. You want to know where a genuine large-scale oppression of you ng black males is occurring? Check the numbers in Chicago (the worse, to be sure, but not at all unusual for a major American urban area). Here’s a site with clean, easy to understand graphics: http://heyjackass.com/
Just since the Ferguson shooting, 855 shot and wounded (10 by Chicago PD), with 130 of them killed! About 80% of the victims…black. Where is the outrage? Jesse Jackson? Al Sharpton? Too busy. The US mainstream media machine? Doing a pretty solid job of executing a general media blackout (stop…no pun intended) attendant to it. There is a real problem in the urban, inner-city, black male subculture, but renegade cops gunning them down isn’t it. Politicians just can’t (or won’t) say it, because you’ll pillory them with the tired dribble we’re seeing on here.
Your delusion is showing. In your world, bad guys are allowed to go for a cop’s gun,
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You heard that, but I didn’t say it. That means it’s your delusion that is showing
I didn’t say bad guys are allowed to go for a cop’s gun – anywhere.
No, facts aren’t your thing. You said it pretty clearly- “death penalty for assault,” which plainly (and intentionally, I think) omits *the* critical piece of information, which is that Brown had assaulted the officer while trying to disarm him (which is almost universally followed by the murder of the cop). Slapping someone is “assault.” Punching a cop in the head in the course of attempting to disarm him is not, and those fights are on until they’re over.
No, facts aren’t your thing.
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Starting the conversation at the very beginning with character assassination in attempt to employ emotion to help blur the facts seems to be your thing.
*the* critical piece of information, which is that Brown had assaulted the officer while trying to disarm him (which is almost universally followed by the murder of the cop).
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is this “information” or a fact?
I’d say it was a “claim” or an unsubstantiated proposition, setting the stage for justification for the death penalty for later assault (or more specifically – the fear of it).
Other witnesses testified that Wilson may have been the instigator. He reversed his police SUV fast enough to “chirp” his tires, calling attention from some witnesses, who testified that Wilson reached out his window, grabbed Brown by the shirt and pulled him toward his vehicle.
We have only Wilson’s testimony as to when he drew his weapon. Consider a scenario where Wilson has already drawn his weapon when he pulls Brown to the window. Wilson’s testimony is dubious that Brown would have tried to reach over Wilson to grab at a holstered pistol on Wilson’d right hip.
If I were Brown and were faced with a drawn pistol, I might grab at it to deflect Wilson’s aim. I might try to get a finger behind the trigger to prevent Wilson from firing.
I know enough about auto pistols to know that it cannot fire if the slide is “out of battery.” Such a case is consistent with Wilson’s testimony that he pulled the trigger twice and it did not fire. The pistol fired on a third attempt, but the slide did not move back far enough to eject the spend cartridge — consistent with Brown having a grip on the barrel portion trying to deflect the aim.
Wilson testified he racked the slide to load a new round and fired again, and Brown fled down the street. Both spend shell casings were found on the street to the left of Wilson’s SUV, not inside.
A jury in a court trial could have considered such testimony with cross-examination. Perhaps the federal investigation or the inevitable civil suit for wrongful death will provide an opportunity to explore scenarios other than Wilson’s.
In the case of the Grand Jury, the jury itself gets to ask the questions rather than allowing a lawyer to interpret for them.
Assuming they have the smarts you and I possess to formulate such questions. A dubious proposition based on one juror asking whether the US Supreme Court could invalidate a Missouri state law, and the Asst Prosecutor basically responding “Don’t worry your little head about that.”
Grand Juries are not like the mouth breathers you see waiting to be called for a DUI case. A judge interviews and appoints each member.
Your intuition is correct Tom:
http://www.targetliberty.com/2014/11/how-prosecutors-office-guided-not-too.html
Wow, really unbiased opinion there…
Are you suggesting your opinion isn’t biased?
Other witnesses, you mean like Dorian Johnson?
Reminds me of a geezer rock concert in Golden Gate Park about 3 years ago where a “black panther” wannabe on stage tries to rally the crowd for his buddy in prison (”Free Willy …” or whatever.) Turns out he let slip that his bud had killed a cop … and was promptly hooted off the stage. (I was surprised as the old timer crowd would have taken a reverse position several decades ago.)
My point: Picking the right sacrificial lamb to rally the crowds around ain’t as easy anymore … IMOP, the good inspire and go free more and more, because they didn’t do it, not because they did.
And whether you’re an honest man, or whether you’re a thief, depends on whose solicitor has given me my brief. ~Benjamin Franklin
A Coke Snitch, a Race Baiter and a Tax Cheat go to the White House and President Obama says, “Hello Rev. Al!”
It’s not fair. No one should have to pay for his own cigarillos.
So is that picture is actual surveillance footage of Michael Brown the same day of his death? I’m behind on things.
Yeah, but I sure would like to see then entire unedited video, rather than the still selected by the Ferguson PD to promote their story..
There were eyewitnesses, with much to lose, who corroborated Wilson’s story. Had there been none, I would probably not believe a word out of his mouth.
BTW, where did those cigarillos end up? Wilson said Brown passed them back to Johnson during the “beatdown” but they seem to have disappeared. Any subsequent mention in the Grand Jury testimony?
Anyone? Bueller?
I want to know when I get PAID! Damn bitch as nigga’s Momma and her Baby Daddy keep passing me bad checks.
Other cops got ’em and used ’em to make blunts, just like Brown and his buddy were gonna do, but they used confiscated weed.
I speculate.
Big Mike handed Johnson the box of cigarillos in the store. Johnson put them on the counter.
I figure when Big Mike handed him a handful of stolen stuff, he dropped it on the street.
..let’s try to forget the police chief said that Wilson saw Big Mike with a box of cigars and tied it together with the store robbery…. try real hard.
Michael Brown, a nightmare in the middle of Martin Luther King’s dream.
Lot of the regular posters here sure seem pissy after Clemson’s epic beatdown of Sakerlina.
Just TBG’s unbiased observation…
“We must acknowledge the truth: Michael Brown contributed to his own demise. Black folks are being exploited and manipulated by people like Al Sharpton who stoke fires and then return to their wealthy lives in the very country they condemn. It is absurd.”
This is the same as blaming a rape victim for being raped. Sorry he didn’t look like Fits BFF Ravenel who could probably pull a gun on a cop and walk away from the incident untouched (HINT: because he is white). Idk what Michael Brown’s altercation with Darren Wilson was like so I can’t say, but all I know is that black teenagers are 21x more likely to get shot by cops than white teenagers and that isn’t right(http://bit.ly/1z079o5).
This is nothing short of pathetic. Every bit of forensic evidence backed up Offucer Wilson’s story. Eyewitness testimony (hint: the testimony that was not discredited or found to be fabricated) does the same. The Grand Jury saw far more evidence than you or I have been privy to, and they agreed that there was no criminal act on the part of Officer Wilson. While the outcome was tragic and not the preferred outcome, it was 100% justified. So for those still arguing in favor of Michael Brown, you have been lied to. In the face of all thd physical evidence and eyewitness testimony you still don’t seethe truth, you can’t be helped. “There are none so blind as those who WILL NOT see.”
To call this “the death penalty for assault” is an affront to logic. Anytime a suspect reaches for an officer’s weapon, his claims of being unarmed go out the window. The suspect has made the encounter a deadly force situation. Shooting the suspect, while not the prefetred outcome, is justified. Police have a right to self-preservation, regardless of your opinion of them.
Please remember that a shooting is much different than hitting stationary paper targets. A shooting is dynamic and rarely, in the heat of battle, will the shooter have the faculties to hit 100% of his shots.
This whole discussion is like shooting fish in a barrel. No challenge and nothing to be gained from it. I have more. If I get bored I’ll add it in.
Little Michael Brown is my hero. Sweet natured, cute, very smart, disciplined though with a weakness for the occasional donut, he is the all American kid. He is obviously the product of a caring and loving home and a Black culture that cares about the important aspects of life such as peace, citizenship and service to others.
America needs more young men like Michael Brown.
I agree with Tryon.
How can I turn America into a proper third world nation run by thugs in $5,000 suits without the assistance of fine gentlemen like Michael Brown? Looting the Treasury, stacking the ranks of government workers with unqualified, unmotivated and overpaid people of the darker hue, taxing whitey to death and
frustrating the constitution is hard work, and I need people like Mr. Brown to assist me.
But I will overcome this loss, in fact, that is why I am paying illegals to come to America. They are easy to train, ready to rob the system, and are cheap! They also know how to keep their place-a Mexican will never ask to ride on Air Force 1, or come to the White House!
B Obama
Kunstler is an awesome author. World made by hand is a great read!
Brown was not an Asian-American, nor was he of Hispanic origin. He was a black guy, the beneficiary of tons of laws and jurisprudence since the 19th century. Yet none of this seemed to matter to him. He is the personification of why black Americans as a whole continue to do poorly in this day and age despite all the work of the Johnsons and the Kennedys and the Hubert Humphreys of the world. I am sick and tired of people like him who claim victimhood when they should be in school or working a job or forming a business. People like Brown fail over and over to realize that America is a place of opportunity and to comport themselves accordingly. He is not martyr; he is a vile petty crook.
an unarmed, dead vile petty crook.