“United” States of America?
NOT REALLY By Liz Gunn || We live in a divisive age. I find myself in the minority when I don’t pYou must Subscribe or log in to read the rest of this content.
NOT REALLY By Liz Gunn || We live in a divisive age. I find myself in the minority when I don’t pYou must Subscribe or log in to read the rest of this content.
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I’m with you on Ferguson. It’s a tragic mess, all of it, but I cannot say with any certainty whether or not that cop did the right thing. I can’t say that because I was not there, and thus did not experience it from his POV, nor did I witness the event. I’ve followed it all pretty closely, and have still seen nothing that can pin down exactly whether or not he was guilty of acting as an executioner rather than a good agent of law enforcement.
I don’t feel as pressured as you do to express an opinion, however. The hell with that. Anybody who wants to make an issue of what they may perceive as my ambivalence on that or any other issue can go pound sand.
TBG cannot say with absolute certainty that the cop did the right thing, either…though most of the evidence supports this. TBG can say that the cop didn’t just roll up on Mr. Brown and start shooting ala the State Trooper in Columbia several months ago.
TBG CAN say with absolute certainty that Mr Brown did a bunch of wrong things.
And I sure am the Hell glad that “officer” Wilson was making sure he wasn’t walking on the street!
Yep, hero’s in blue each and every one of them. Keeping the streets clear of jaywalkers for the betterment of society. Defenders of the cigarello’s.
Anybody who wants to make an issue of what they may perceive as my ambivalence on that or any other issue can go pound sand.
TBG doesn’t know why…and frankly doesn’t care why some consider him to be ignorant and/or apathetic…
We love you just the way you are.You’re,uh….special
Sometimes the answer is in the murky middle. Darren Wilson didn’t commit a crime, but mishandled the situation.
Can’t say Wilson was racist, but both may Wilson and Brown may have carried racial baggage into the incident that lead to the tragic result. If two people fear and distrust each other, then any confrontation is more likely to result in violence.
Any incident that becomes national news is bound to draw trouble makers. This one has drown its share of hoodlums.
People make a big deal about the militarization of the police, but the violence that has occurred has not been against protesters. The violence has been by “protesters” destroying businesses and property.
The middle is not murky. The world has always been varying shades of gray. But, some people see everything in stark blacks and whites and with total certitude. Those are the people who don’t understand that all fruitful, peaceful human interaction is dependent on compromise, which has become a dirty word to way too many.
all all fruitful, peaceful human interaction is dependent on compromise,,…
NO fruitful, peaceful human interaction is dependent on compromise.
Rough divorce?
Nah.
TBG was just giving nitrat a hard time for criticizing folks for seeing things in “stark blacks and whites” and then following it up with a pretty stark black/white assertion.
Liz,
It is way too much to expect most folks to have an opinion, much less a correct opinion, on everything. That’s only one of the myriad reasons y’all are so fortunate to have TBG as a regular commenter.
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Ooooohhh, Yeah!
“That’s only one of the myriad reasons y’all are so fortunate to have TBG as a regular commenter.
And at times a constipated one as well . . .
I attended a seminar a couple of years ago where the guy addressing the group said “the extremes determine the center.” Looking back on things since I have been noticing news and politics I have seen the left take control of the media and academia. Back in the sixties this shift began with Vietnam and the great society. It has only gotten worse. People who once considered themselves to be moderately conservative now find themselves on the right wing nut classification for having long held views and beliefs. Politicians like JFK and Reagan are closer together and both would be conservatives today . Progressives have gained the upper hand since the “free lunch” crowd of the great society came along. This country had a defining moment in Nov. of 1964, it took the wrong course then and has festered for forty years. One of our founding fathers, Jefferson I think, said something to the effect that when a people realize they can vote for the govt. to “take care” of them the republic is lost. Everybody says Obama and the Dims are the problem. They are not. They are simply a result of the great society plus forty years of rot. We as a country are at, if not past, a tipping point where the takers, which includes both the parasite class as well as the govt. contractor types have gained a majority at the voting booth. This past election could be a turning point but the real turning point will be in 2016. If the voters vote for the “free lunch” progressives we are doomed as a free country.
For all those Liberaltarians who want to pull our horns in and let the world float , consider this; Someone is going to be the “super power” in the world. It has always been so and will always be so. Is it better for it to be the USA or would you rather have China, Russia, or who knows what ? As distasteful as sending our best and brightest to these shit hole countries is, is it not better than letting a China or Russia dominate the world ? What would be the result of that?
Anyway, the country and the world are in a mess brought on by the weakness of our leadership. Look at how big the mess has gotten in six years of ineptitude and gridlock. The original topic of Ferguson is but another example of the break down of the country due to “progressivism”. There really is a right and a wrong. Always has been and always will be.
On the other hand,Nixon and Goldwater would be seen as too ‘liberal’ for either party
You think this shits original doofus?
Hell Barry Goldwater was blowing this cow manure off Fifty years ago!
Sorry, RE, but this shit didn’t start six years ago with Obama and “the Dims.”
I wish the common sense center would wrest control of the Country back from the Far Left and Right fringes. They are sucking all the air out of the conversation room.
And of course,two Republicans like you and Rogue R represent the “common sense center.”
That would actually be funny if it wasn’t so sad that two Right Wingers like the two of you actually believe that of themselves.
Fish in a barrel are scarey!
Dancing In the Streets
The Shield of Honor
Self Delusions are Funny
Longer Than You Think
Gee! by Golly! WOW!
It’s flowing
All one and the same troll.
Ah ,but you’re not a “troll” are you?
Just a member of the “common sense cente.”
Funny,and typical of your ILK.
Don’t you wish you could edit…*common sense center*…fixed it for you.
Just one of the Anarchists/Socialists/Communist trolls that are too scared to put a name or history to their stupid comments. I may not agree with the left leaning posters on here, but I can respect that they are willing to put their id on what they say.
Reminds me of the Ferguson protesters wearing mask.
Nope.
He’s got you running around in circles. I would never name myself “Trolling Republicans” because I troll everyone, not just one group.
IDK who that is.
You obviously are too stupid to click and read my posts to know you are full of crap, something that can’t be said of your comments. Did you ever stop to think you are so far left that the center looks far right to you? I’ll bet my positions are more center than yours but your to chickenshit to identify yourself, even with a nickname, for anyone to know.
“Too” chickenshit
See edited that for you.
Know how helpful you “common sense ” centrists are!(see fellow”centrist” idcydm’s helpful edit earlier)
As to reading your posts?I have.They are uniformly RIGHT WING,nothing wrong with that,but spare me the “common sense center” routine.Your’re no such thing.
As for me?I NEVER claimed to be part of this”common sense center” as you would define it.
Finally,I would submit that “Trolling Republicans ” is no worse a nickname than “Tazmaniac.”
BTW genius, I was a registered Dem until they put Al Gore up.
Never go full retard! – Kirk Lazarus
Damn that Al Gore.Drove you kicking and screaming into the Republican Party Eh?
That’s rich “centrist.”
And labeling one who disagrees with you an”anarchist,Socilaist,Communist?”
Why ,I guess that’s some just some of that “Common Sense Center” talk shining through!
Like Rogue R,YOU know “right from wrong” don’t ya
Bo?
That’s the downside of social media,24/7 TV and the Internet.Sensory overload.Too much information equals no information.
That’s the downside of social media,24/7 TV and the Internet.Sensory overload.Too much information equals no information.
9″ kvetching about TMI….
lolz
Mmmmm … and on top of that, one’s Bull Shiite Detector must be set pretty nearly always on Stun.
It is quite handy to have a resource of the intellectual magnatitude of TBG in order to recalibrate and sight in said Detector.
It is quite handy to have a resource of the intellectual magnatitude of TBG
*Blushes*
You’re being to magnanamous.
I was think he had too much ex-lax, but then again, potato or potahto?
*thinking
Unintentionally, I’m sure … :>)
Views can differ on what happened on Canfield Ct. in Ferguson, but what happened in the Grand Jury room has been revealed — and it is not pretty.
Grand jurors were given a copy of the Missouri statute on use of deadly force that said police could shoot a fleeing suspect. Just before the final witness, Darren Wilson was to testify, prosecutors informed jurors that the US Supreme Court had changed that law, but did not bother to explain how it had been changed.
Unfortunately prosecutorial misconduct is almost never investigated, let alone punished, but this case will be studied in law classes for years.
I know that I’m overwhelmed by fear when someone is running from me, to the point of shooting them before they get too far away so that I don’t remain afraid forever.
Moot point. Sloppy, but moot. In Wilson’s case, Brown was suspected of a felony (a couple, actually) and the case could easily be made that he would pose a risk to the community if he escaped. The old law was ruled unconstitutional, but shooting fleeing felons was not. Of course, since Brown wasn’t fleeing to begin with it’s less relevant.
and the case could easily be made that he would pose a risk to the community if he escaped.
It may not matter to this case, but I wouldn’t give cops a green light to shoot at just any suspected felon running away from them.
It matters to every case, but you and I don’t make the rules. SCOTUS does, and they say that certain fleeing felons need shootin’…
The moment a person forms a theory, his imagination sees in every object only the traits which favor that theory. ~ Thomas Jefferson
Climate Change?
Excellent. In the sociology / psychology world we also refer to this concept as “confirmation bias.” It’s very real, and is becoming more so with the advent of the information age. The stratification and polarization of media and internet outlets surely seems to support the theory.
And you are under 30 years of age … .. . The USA and society is about to shipwreck. In my old life, I have never seen it this bad before. Everything is full of corruption, crime, greed, egomaniacs, and narcissist; especially in South Carolina government. Even current, gouges on gasoline prices in SC …. 40 to 50 cents less in many areas of SC that are selling the exact same gas from the exact same refinery batch. Government crapheads who are over-paid do nothings (see it in government all the time) ….. Our money thrown around to special interest and then funneled back into the pockets of white collar criminals (and not much is done about it). Harrell slapped on the back of the hand when he should have been sent to prison for LIFE … yadda yadda yadda …. Its all a mess everywhere …. and Obama certainly has set an example of just how infested with crime government really is ….. and Haley continues to dupe the stupid with her charm and bleached white teeth. No doubt in my mind, she is a full blown psychopath.
Most things are better now than thirty years ago. The main thing that makes it worse now is that now you’re old.
Better now? HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAA … My Backside!!! You’re so full of crap, it must run out of your bunny ears, too! HAHAHAHAAHAA!
1. The crime rates are lower.
2. We think because of recalls that cars are less safe, actually we are driving more miles with fewer deaths.
3. People are living longer. We are surviving illnesses that use to be a death sentence.
4. Information is more available than ever and cheaper than ever and have ways to exercise my free speech rights.
5. Air pollution has reduced in the last thirty years.
HAPPY THANKSGIVING! REMEMBER, YOU’RE SUPPOSE TO GIVE THANKS.
Yeah, but those are all things the liberals have done. Damn ’em.
The Libs make the regs. The Repubs make it happen.
The Libs make the regs. The Repubs make it happen.
All I ever hear from Republicans is “Abolish the IRS! Take out the EPA! Kill the Department of Education and get rid of Common Core! Repeal Obamacare with no replacement! Stop Dodd Frank! Don’t bring back Glass Steagall! Privatize Social Security! Cut welfare! Block grant Medicaid! DEREGULATE! DEREGULATE! DEREGULATE!”
Cars are safer because of big gubmint regulations requiring safety features and crash tests. People live longer because of medical advancements, many of which are tested out or discovered at hospitals tied to public universities. Information is more available thanks to government-invented Internet going across government-subsidized telecommunications infrastructure. Air pollution is down because of the EPA, same as water pollution and even soil pollution.
It stands to reason that the party clamoring for “smaller government” is in direct opposition to the above. It stands to reason because any country where the government doesn’t regulate or mandate these things, they typically don’t get done.
The only thing the Republicans “make happen” is giving the rest of civilized society one giant headache.
All those good things happen in countries with a vibrant, healthy private sectors and competitive political systems where people are free to complain about -“the IRS! Take out the EPA! Kill the Department of Education and get rid of Common Core! Repeal Obamacare with no replacement! Stop Dodd Frank! Don’t bring back Glass Steagall! Privatize Social Security! Cut welfare! Block grant Medicaid! DEREGULATE! DEREGULATE! DEREGULATE!”
Nixon?
You Can’t Lose What You Never Had
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iutwA_dsfxE
Good points.Haley is the worst thing that’s happened to,SC in my lifetime.I haven’t missed any elections since 1972,until this year.Most people in SC might as well be completely illiterate,that’s how dumb this country and especially this state have become.People have forgotten the importance of reading books,and the English departments in universities across the US are dwindling.For me,expatriation is looking like the best option,which some of my friends have already done.
For me,expatriation is looking like the best option,which some of my friends have already done.
Best start now, if things go tits up in this country and people start trying to leave in droves, it’s going to be a lot harder to get out.
Best start now, if things go tits up in this country and people start trying to leave in droves, it’s going to be a lot harder to get out.
The Dogsled Rule:
If you ain’t the lead dog…the view never changes.
You should kill yourself now; you know… before the apocalyptic rush.
…and zombies! Don’t forget the zombies!
“Government crapheads who are over-paid do nothings (see it in government all the time)”
And know nothings, but posing as experts. You should see it from the inside. You simply cannot imagine. Approving whatever the well-off or well-connected want. Or whatever is easiest if there is no outside pressure.
“. . . and Haley continues to dupe the stupid with her charm and bleached white teeth.”
Hilarious! Love it!
You compliment is so kind, but I am no longer under 30… :(
@Lyz – Would you please forward this article to Mr. Obama?
Oh I like to think Obama is a regular FITS reader…don’t you? :)
@Liz – Ferguson is a Public Relations nightmare. The government authorities, mayor, governor and law enforcement continue to mishandle the situation.
If the horizon-to-horizon droves of doofusdom in America ever united in agreement–on anything–that is when we would really be in trouble.
Lulz..you feel pressured to make an opinion.
By whom?
“The problem with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt.” -Bertrand Russell