AND THE GOVERNMENT DOESN’T LIKE THAT …
By FITSNEWS || Encryption advances in new Apple and Android operating systems have America’s spy state up in arms …
According to Yahoo! Tech, the latest Apple iOS 8 and Android 5.0 Lollipop mobile operating systems automatically deploy new encryption technology – making it impossible for police to access the information on the devices without first obtaining password information.
“Unlike our competitors, Apple cannot bypass your passcode and therefore cannot access this data,” Apple noted. “So it’s not technically feasible for us to respond to government warrants.”
“Full device encryption occurs at first boot, using a unique key that never leaves the device,” Google noted of the security features associated with its new system.
Excellent!
This is exactly the sort of technological advance advocated earlier this year by National Security Agency (NSA) whistleblower Edward Snowden – who has courageously exposed the disturbing depths of America’s spy state.
“The bottom line … is that encryption does work,” Snowden said in March.
Yet while those of us who love liberty rejoice, those who would seek to deprive us of it are not happy …
“Encryption threatens to lead all of us to a very dark place,” FBI Director James Comey told the liberal Brookings Institute last month. “Justice may be denied because of a locked phone or an encrypted hard drive.”
“It’s the equivalent of a closet that can’t be opened. A safe that can’t be cracked. And my question is, at what cost?” Comey continued, adding that Apple and Google should think twice before responding to “what they perceive is a market demand.”
“The place they are leading us is one we shouldn’t go to without careful thought and debate as a country,” Comey said.
Really?
What about the massive spy network the government erected in secret with billions of our tax dollars? Without our knowledge or permission?
Seriously … where was the “careful thought and debate as a country” prior to that system being foisted upon us?
Oh right … it was conducted behind closed doors.
Call us crazy (and the spy state’s proponents have done just that), but we believe the risks associated with unlocking these devices far outweighs the risk associated with keeping them encrypted. Government is effectively insisting upon a “master key” capable of unlocking any mobile device at any time.
We don’t think they should have it … and according to the survey accompanying columnist Rob Pegoraro‘s story, neither do most people. As of this writing, 82 percent of respondents opposed giving government such unfettered access – compared to only 12 percent who believe they should have it.
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58 comments
My dog is smarter than the government – unless you’re talking about the under-the-table stuff.
I’ve seen some pretty smart dogs under the table…
Is that any way to talk about your paramour?
It’s witchcraft…..
“The fondling fathers wanted us to enjoy a modicum of criminality in the comfort of our indoor dungeons.. as long as the screaming didn’t disturb the neighbors.”
The had the audacity to suggest that a victimless crime isn’t a crime. For shame.
Actually, it’s indefensible for a Christian to suggest such a thing. Not that it matters… they were only Christians by the broadest of meanings… some would say meanings don’t come that broad.
The majority of Christians at the time believed that one’s spirit could be a victim of its own thoughts and actions – even without physical harm.
Here’s something to cook your noodle:
If you smoke, you are committing a crime against Christ… your body is his temple.
If you say an unnecessarily unkind word to another person, even in private, that produces grief that would not have otherwise been endured, it is a crime against your own conscience, and against the offended party.
If you look at a woman with lust in your heart, you’re committing the crime of adultery… even if the woman doesn’t know it.
So, if you harm yourself, you’re the victim. If another person “feels harmed” they’re the victim. There’s even a class of spiritual crime that you can commit without even knowing it.
And, as the premise to all good revenge flicks imply: “All motherfuckers must PAY!”
Going down that bunny trail a little further, to whom does a victim seek to collect from if he’s victimized himself?
The government should not be prosecuting victimless crimes along with a lot of other things it should not be doing IMO. I say leave it to God to determine what to do in victimless crimes, but everyone wants gov’t to solve everything-so naturally that’s presently an unpopular opinion.
Yeah, well – we both knew at the outset that it’s religious devotion that created the victimless crime in the first place.
When we talk of “freedom,” (I say we, more in hope than certainty) it’s to talk of “secular law,” where harm has a clear definition related to property and person, with remedies physically rendered.. within limits.
A theocracy, on the other hand, which attempts to use law to elicit “good thoughts,” “high moral character,” and “godly behavior” is a fine definition of hell.
Ah, the daily plug brought to you by Euwe Max’s insatiable desire to discuss “Christians” and “God” when a post contains neither.
yeah.. well – I live in a Southern State.. what can I say? I’m a product of my environment.. wanna argue PC operating systems in every topic, instead?
“God” is a convenient answer when logic isn’t working….not saying whether that is “good” or “bad”…it just “is”.
But if you’re trying to escape surveillance, or do something “in secret” once your profile breaks through the noise
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Anyone who has posted more than a couple of dozen comments or replies on this site has a profile that can be analyzed. Since this is not a one subject site that would make a poster’s profile more difficult. Add to that I would say that the regulars here have pendulums that swing wide. It would take only a squad to read and accumulate an individual’s posts, but it would then need a battalion to figure out what we’re all about in our thinking.
I would say that the regulars here have pendulums that swing wide.
She said that, too.
BADOOM PSSHHHH!
10+……pretty good!
Some try to pigeon hole us as the government never ceases in trying to corn hole us.
We have met the enema and they are ….
Oh shit! That’s great!!!!!
Thanks! — and here’s a bonus for ya’ (out of place)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
A lesbian goes to the proctologist for a routine
examination. When the doctor gets her into position, he’s quite surprised to find a piece of string dangling from her ass. He pulls gently on the string and out pops a lovely bouquet of flowers.
“Do you know I just pulled a dozen roses out of your rectum?” asks the astonished doctor.
“Is that so?” said his patient. “Who’re they from?”
They’re not trying to find out if we’re abusing prescription drugs, or possibly teachers molesting our students… if it’s low hanging fruit, they’ll toss it to the local yokels… way, WAY to expensive for that.
We’re pretty much a bunch of stupid apes out here pissing in the weeds with the 98%. They’re not trying to analyze our spelling mistakes – they’re using convolution to find a correlation – an anomaly… any kind of anomaly..
They aren’t looking for the drunks with sagging, blood-shot eyes – struggling to match keystrokes to their internal fantasy that someone might give a shit… nope.
They’re looking for outliers – the ones out there beyond the envelope of competition with imaginary jealousy for *more*.
Potential trouble-makers.
Renaissance men.
That’s where the most dangerous entities are. At least serial killers don’t organize, and share information. Serial killers and the goofy gomer survivalist gun nut brigade barely move the needle.
A dime a dozen – plagiarizing their own talking points, starring in some poorly written movie in nonchalant desperation. Slimelight seekers getting less relevant by the minute.
Music, literature, art.. idea brokers… phrase coiners…
-teachers- passing unseen through the ether, landscaping the zeitgeist, collapsing pillars of sand as they go.
These are the ones who knock.
Wow, you can put two, three syllable words together without breaking wind?
I liked that part about minor criminality in your own dungeon… we all hope it’s amungst consenting criminals …
We can always hope. Not that it matters.
“Music, literature, art.. idea brokers… phrase coiners… -teachers- passing unseen through the ether, landscaping the zeitgeist, collapsing pillars of sand as they go. These are the ones who knock”
I don’t understand that part of your reply.
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I agree with you on the rest of your points. My point was that we don’t have to worry about being tracked – at least not until there are more of ‘them’ than there are of ‘us’. And that our comments become a permanent record. For myself, I say “so what” because it would take a one-on-one assignment per commentator to come up with an analysis – very time consuming indeed! Anyone who posts on Fitsnews who is worried about being monitored has nothing to be concerned about — unless he really has some dark, nasty secrets…..
I don’t understand that part of your reply
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That’s because I’m passing unseen through the ether…. knock knock!
until there are more of ‘them’ than there are of ‘us’.
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“us” is the noise, the hissing snow of a television without a signal. If someone is going to be trouble for “them” – “they” can see you as clearly as Godzilla on Main Street.
You don’t have to break the law, you don’t have to kill anybody… they don’t have to frame you for some bogus crime.. just let those ones and zeros convict you of crimes against the state, and they’ll work out the details after you’re gone.
Besides, just by coming up out of the water and walking across Manhattan, you’ve already caused billions of dollars in damage. Does the military ever stop and wonder “what must that poor monster be thinking?”
Godzilla is an outlier, and Manhattan is reality – the zeitgeist – the fragile “middle” that must not be allowed to fragment. The source of true power.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4IH-EqoHws
There is scratching at the front door; it’s the Mechanical Hound.
Mildred rails against books because they aren’t people. Her TV shows, now, those have people, she says.
So Montag goes in and starts burning – the bedroom, the cosmetics, Mildred’s stuff. This is all very satisfying for him, but Beatty reminds him that, actually, he’s there to burn the books, remember?
So he burns those, too – and the dreaded television screens in the parlor
“Police suggest the entire population in the Elm Terrace area do as follows: Everyone in every house in every street open a front or rear door or look from the windows. The fugitive cannot escape if everyone in the next minute looks from his house. Ready!”
Of course! Why hadn’t they done it before! Why, in all the years, hadn’t this game been tried! Everyone up, everyone out! He couldn’t be missed! The only man running alone in the night city, the only man proving his legs!
“At the count of ten now! One! Two!”
He felt the city rise.
“Three!”
He felt the city turn to its thousands of doors.
“Four!”
The people sleepwalking in their hallways.
“Five!”
He felt their hands on the doorknobs!
“Six, seven, eight!”
The doorknobs turned on five thousand doors.
“Ten!”
The doors opened.
He imagined thousands on thousands of faces peering into yards, into alleys, and into the sky, faces hid by curtains, pale, night-frightened faces, like gray animals peering from electric caves, faces with gray colorless eyes, gray tongues, and gray thoughts looking out through the numb flesh of the face.
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Damn! Yesterday afternoon I trapped mice #4 & #5, and am now waiting to see if there are any more lurking around. They creep me out when I discover that one has been perched on my nightstand watching me during the night…….
“These creatures you call mice, you see, they are not quite as they appear. They are merely the protrusion into our dimension of vastly hyperintelligent pandimensional beings.”
vastly hyperintelligent — nope
pandimensional — ???
“Encryption threatens to lead all of us to a very dark place,” FBI Director James Comey”
The only person/entity being led to a dark place is you C(H)omey, and your agency, both literally & figuratively you sack of shit.
Correct, except for that “sack of sh**” part.
He is a lying, Gruberized, g’ment employee. What do you expect?
“Your Smartphone is Smarter Than The Government”
Thanks, Captain Obvious. It doesn’t take much to achieve this status.
I’ll bet I know who one of that 12 % is. YOU just re elected him senior senator from SC.
Imagine a house built in such a way that no matter what crimes may be committed inside and the probable cause, no search warrant could ever be used to enter it.
That’s what Apple is proposing for phones.
Many commenters here are more concerned about the government than criminals, but it is not the government that is cutting off our heads.
“Many commenters here are more concerned about the government than criminals”
That’s because the gov’t is filled with criminals & has more power than non-gov’t affiliated criminals.
It’s logical to fear the gov’t far more.
Our justice system was supposedly based on protecting the innocent against false accusations over letting a few criminals go free, instead of the other way around.
Give me some numbers. How many are victims of false accusations? How many are victims of crimes? How many criminals get away with their crimes?
Go look em’ up yourself. I’m speaking axiomatically.
If you fear non-gov’t criminals more than gov’t, that’s your prerogative.
We can toss statistics around all day to show either point, so go with your gut.
Myself, I’ve got guns and brains, so I’m far less worried about a house thief than the gov’t.
Within three miles of my home (rural/suburb) there has been two home invasions in the last eighteen months resulting in two victims being shot and two perpetrators being killed. Two additional perpetrators were captured with the assistance of cell phone tracking.
Anecdotal.
History shows that gov’t criminals do far more damage:
“A petty thief is put in jail. A great brigand becomes a ruler of a State.”-Chuang-tzu
“Steal a little and they put you in jail, steal a lot and they make you king”-Bob Dylan
“gang of thieves writ large — the most immoral, grasping and unscrupulous individuals in any society”-Rothbard
In the “City of God,” St. Augustine tells the story of a pirate captured by Alexander the Great. The Emperor angrily demanded of him, “How dare you molest the seas?” To which the pirate replied, “How dare you molest the whole world? Because I do it with a small boat, I am called a pirate and a thief. You, with a great navy, molest the world and are called an emperor.”
At one extreme you have North Korea. At the other you have Somalia. Pick your poison.
Somalia has more gov’t in a smaller space than N. Korea, so how are they at the other end of the spectrum?
They both have gov’t atrocity.
A simple acknowledgement of the evil of all gov’t would seem to be self evident, the conclusion of how to “fix” it is a different matter.
Even on the level of SC. If it weren’t a reality, none of us would have a reason to come to FITSnews and Sic Willie would be sweeping T-Rav’s mansion during the day and returninghome to his doublewide at night.
Anarchy and weak government is more of a problem in Somalia. A government official is not likely to survive a year in office without being killed.
“Anarchy and weak government is more of a problem in Somalia. ”
Welp, we disagree. It’s lot of gov’t tucked into a small space IMO.
Regardless, I think the reality of criminal gov’t being more dangerous that individuals is time honored(as noted by my quotes above spanning thousands of years) and understood by most.
You have your prerogative to disagree, but our gov’t has too much power as it is and to cheer for more seems to fly in the face of history.
none of us would have a reason to come to FITSnews and Sic Willie would be sweeping T-Rav’s mansion during the day and returning home to his doublewide at night.
metaphorically speaking, that *is* reality.
How about a sphere made out of millions of tiny little particles randomly distributed in a random fashion, so that you can’t tell their positions and direction of motion simultaneously?
KILL ISIS!
Two additional perpetrators were captured with the assistance of cell phone tracking.
Data encryption does not stop cell phone tracking.
If government has a warrant, tracking someone’s cell phone is absolutely permissible. If they have a warrant.
badges? badges?
(general hygiene and deportment have improved over the years.)
sounds like fun… Hell, I think that calls for another gun! there’s a nice CZ down at Hank’s package liquor, feed and gun store I’ve had my eye on since yesterday…
Surely I’ve done enough good for this country to deserve another lethal weapon. Oh, yeah… cheese… don’t forget the cheese.
Shifty Henry = 1… I’ve been falsely accused more than a few times but anyone who calls me a liar and refuses to retract it makes me their enemy for life.
With a name like Shifty, who would ever suspect?
That’s only for this site. It’s a reference to the time when Nikki Haley was at Clemson.
liar!
“How many criminals get away with their crimes?”
Judging by how many politicians are in office and how few are in prison, obviously quite a number!
How many criminals get away with their crimes?
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I wonder if having the power of a government official intensifies his “crime” the same way being black intensifies the “crime:” of possessing cocaine.
It’s not like the government official’s crimes affect more people than the crack head… that is, if they both “get away with it.”
Imagine a house built in such a way that no matter what crimes may be
committed inside and the probable cause, no search warrant could ever be
used to enter it.
Imagine if the reason said houses were built was because the government couldn’t just stick to lawful searches via search warrants and instead consistently broke the 4th Amendment and searched whatever the fuck they wanted, when they wanted, for any reason they wanted, with little to no oversight.
Maybe if government didn’t abuse the rights of the citizenry, and on such a grand scale no less, we wouldn’t revolt in such a fashion.
He shall peep and mutter; and the night shall bring
Watchers ‘neath our window, lest we mock the King—
Hate and all division; hosts of hurrying spies;
Money poured in secret, carrion breeding flies….
–Rudyard Kipling (“The Old Issue”)
In Moscow, Ivan was awakened at 3:30 in the morning. “Who is it?”
“Mail – special delivery,” says the visitor. Answering the door he was confronted by the secret police who took him to headquarters where he underwent a grueling interrogation for 36 hours before being released. A month passes and again at 3:30 in the morning
there is knocking on his door but there is no answer. The visitor checks with a neighbor and asks, “Where is Ivan?” “He left and moved to America, “says the neighbor. “Why?” asks the
visitor. “He wanted to live somewhere where the mail isn’t delivered at 3:30 in the morning.”
Apple is simply proposing the extend existing security technologies to cyberspace — there have always been (for example) safes that flash-burn the contents if someone enters too many wrong combinations or tries to physically break in.
Imagine a house built in such a way that no matter what crimes may be committed inside and the probable cause, no search warrant could ever be used to enter it.
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I’m sure the fondling fathers considered it – deeply.
Imagine a house built in such a way that no matter what crimes may be committed inside and the probable cause, no search warrant could ever be used to enter it.
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The fondling fathers imagined that.
I always figured that g’ment would be too busy to do a good job of spying on me … Until the IRS took a look and I found all of these keyloggers on my business systems and my banks were notified …
Now I go out of my way to run software in the background that fills the g’ment files with endless streams of trash. (This is the Abby Hoffman defense: he insisted that his FBI files be stuffed with every Sunday New York Times snooze paper for a year, advertising included.)