JIHAD IN JERUSALEM SYNAGOGUE LEAVES FIVE DEAD
By TAYLOR BROWN || Feelings about Israel and the area that calls itself Palestine seldom strike a tone of indifference. After hearing about the latest terrorist attacks perpetrated by the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, or PFLP (a group labeled as a terrorist organization by the United States, Canada, the European Union and others) this love/ hate extremism was crystal clear.
Two PFLP terrorists entered into a West Jerusalem synagogue (not a mosque as CNN first falsely reported) armed with guns, axes, and butcher knives and killed four worshipers, one policeman, and injured many more — some critically.
Out of the victims, three of the deceased are American citizens, one is a citizen of the United Kingdom and one is a Druze Officer. The four rabbis, who were doing nothing other than peacefully praying in a holy place, were shot at point blank range or hacked apart. These terrorists slaughtered men in a place of worship like they were nothing more than animals.
The Druze Officer was shielding a fellow police officer when he was shot in the head and just succumbed to his injuries only hours ago.
Moshe Twersky. Arieh Kupinsky. Kalman Levi. Avraham Goldberg. Zidan Nahad Seif. These five men will never see another day because of pure acts of evil. They leave behind families: Widows, grieving children, friends. The policeman, the fifth fatality, leaves behind a wife and four-month-old baby girl.
Despite human lives being snuffed out, Mustafa Barghouti (from the Palestinian Legislative Council) responded to this act of terror by saying that Israel is “responsible for this bloodshed.”
Excuse me? Last time I checked, jihad is never justifiable. He continued by hinting that this will continue unless “Israel accepts immediately to end the occupation.” I fully expect that he’s right in that regard — this attack follows two weeks of rising tensions and other fatal attacks.
Ok, so one douchecanoe is happy over people dying, but doesn’t the rest of Palestine reject these acts of terror?
Nope. The bastards, who murdered four praying people, one brave police officer, and wounded seven others (three in critical condition), are being labeled martyrs and heroes.
There was celebrating in Palestinian streets; sweets being passed out; praising of these animals through Gaza mosques’ loudspeakers; people were singing victory songs; there was a flipping parade for God’s sake! Relatives of the perpetrators have come out in support of these heinous acts. Hamas has come out in support. A group called Islamic Jihad has come out in support, though, with a name like that, I can’t say I’m surprised.
All of this seems very reminiscent of the reaction from Palestine after 9/11.
Disgusting.
Israeli primer minister Benjamin Netanyahu was right in his saying, “The world watches this massacre but does not demand that Palestinians stop their incitement against Israel, which is the root of this violence. I expect to hear that very same uncompromising condemnation.”
Will we hear that from this website’s founding editor? I wonder …
We must condemn the taking of human lives. It’s not about one ideology killing another ideology or an idea killing another idea — but rather human beings needlessly and senselessly killing other human beings.
The area that calls itself Palestine, and it’s many terrorist organizations are trying to operate with the theory of “catastrophic terrorism” as the goal, meaning they seek to kill as many civilians as possible in the largest and most extravagant way possible. And while there have been misdoings and cycles of revenge carried out by both sides, terrorism can’t be vindicated.
I hope Israel swiftly deals a sizable amount of justice on those who carry out these militant extremist acts. Israel, after all, has an OBLIGATION to make sure that those responsible for today’s senseless attack pay for their crimes. I suppose demolishing the attackers’ homes is a good first step.
Taylor Brown is a 20-something Wofford College graduate who somehow got sucked into politics at an early age. She is easily won over with Rush’s fast food, wine, and spirited political arguments.
(Pic: Times Of Israel)
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150 comments
The moment where you’ve forgotten the 2150 Palestinians who were murdered by Israeli Occupying Forces two months ago & talk about 5 Israeli’s killed expectedly after the Israeli Massacre over Gaza & Palestine since 1948 makes you a Hypocrite, hell of an ugly life you’re living in, i actually congratulate you on such a pathetic life.
May you never write any articles anymore, thanks.
I don’t recognize palestine as a state.
Happy to let you down, but before 15/5/1948 there was nothing called as Israel, as a matter of fact, Israel was created by Force & on a Massacre which was called Massacre of Deir Yassin, where they Murdered Palestinian, Muslims, Christians in cold blood, but you stand there & call for not recognizing Palestine, it’s there & will be there for now & forever..
Oh Guess what, last week Sweden Recognized Palestine, This week it’s for Spain, next week is for Slovenia, the week after is for Germany, good luck with being an arrogant.
Just being as arrogant and obnoxious as you.
Fart
????
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Before 1948 there was no one called a Palestinian.
Neither does Israel, yet they want to be recognized as one.
Come on max, just being arrogant and obnoxious like Osman.
um.. well, yeah!
…so was I!
I know, just hoping Osman comes back.
you know that cat?
Just as a troll.
He can’t read or write English very well – the Google Translate engine must suck at it.
Know what you mean, not sure Osman is the right translation since I don’t know Arabic at all.
I looked it up, some fat guy with billowy pants, twisty moustache and a hat like a cloth bird cage who had a dream… told some guy who pushed his daughter off on him in translation…. a nobody who had a sword named after him.
Osman I, was a Turk, wonder which Osman this Osman is, know he’s not Donny or Marie (oops that’s with a d). He said he’s Palestinian but I’ll bet he’s really a Turk.
Why don’t the Palestinians accept the Two State solution that has been offered over and over again? It is more than their fellow Arab brothers in the region have ever offered them.
Because it is not a two state solution and offers no sovereignty or territorial integrity or freedom from Israeli troop movements.. It is a fraud. Sad but true.
It would be like living in a piece of swiss cheese… only without the sweet smell… or access to the sea.
Why don’t you accept to give me your own house & we’ll live inside it side by side ?
I’ll keep on offering you this offer again & again, will you accept it ?
It’s an offer which is more than your fellow people in the region who have ever offered you right ?
Weren’t y’all living in tents roaming the desert? I think the Palestinians and the Israelis both came from that region and should continue to live there together. The Palestinians need to recognize Israel as a State and stop their aggression. Then the Israelis will feel comfortable as their neighbor. The Arabs who live in Israeli love their freedoms and their country. I guess Bibi is better than Arafat the Robber, and all those who followed.
Israel is a secular nation of Jews who are identified by the DNA of their mothers going back through David, Moses, Noah, and Adam… though they weren’t able to keep one single artifact from destruction in their whole OCD history, except a bunch of stories about ghosts, aliens and monsters.
Hell, Appalachia has Bigfoot – but they have *proof*!
Fart, like seriously Fart, show me one DNA of the so called of their *Mothers*
Are you on joints or something ?
Dude, current Israeli’s have by any mean not even a single connection to the Jews before 15/5/1948
All the Jews who are currently residing in Palestine are from USA, UK, Italy, Germany, Kazakh, Sudan, you need to tell them all to get the hell outta Palestine, not the vice versa, if you’re a person who seeks peace..
Show me one proof, Only one proof that there was Israel before 15/5/1948
Go ahead, give it your best shot, i’m here waiting..
Manuscripts, archeology,
The ancient Babylonians, Persian, Egyptians, Greeks and Romans acknowledged Israel’s existence.
Fart, the fact that you can’t give proper proof’s that Israel existed make you fail like big time..
Go & read proper facts, it will all show you that nothing was called Israel before 15/5/1948, just do a quick search & come back to me, you’ll laugh at yourself..
Anyways, it’s Palestine, since back then, for now & forever
?????????? – Israel English translation
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_(name)
Ancient Israel – http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ancient_Israel_and_Judah
Now show me a credible source that ancient Israel didn’t exist.
Didn’t they have totems, or stories… like the American Indians?
And they can tell by their mother’s accent, and her marriage records she was at least part Jewish.. “no sashaying Shiksa is going to put her spell on my little Knaydelach”
The Swiss are not known as one of the foundations of western culture. What the Jews gave us is much more valuable than a watch.
Banking?
Chocolate?
German is better.
Non interventionist foreign policy?
Chocolate.
Is not.
Is too.
Never mind. Switzerland is more important to western culture than Israel.
I was just sayin’…
really? I thought that was some cunning little runts in the Amazon.
Cocoa not chocolate.
White people fucked up everything they touched.. except chocolate.
Einstein, et al
Well, you have me there – some of the brightest minds in the world – the remarkable Ashkenazi, Richard Feynman, in my opinion, is one of the brightest lights the world has ever seen. Not only gifted with intelligence, but with the concurrent ability to convey ideas down the chain to us gorillas so that we can at least feel like we are following along.
Watching his instructional videos on You Tube, I was both amazed at how much he could cover in so little time. From a lever, an inclined plane, to a screw, angular motion, electrons, atoms, energy… and boom! The entire room lights up with the demonstrable fact that matter is mostly space, yet that contained in a baseball could take out Manhattan Island… well that’s all we have time for today…
TODAY?
Banking, in the modern sense of the word, can be traced to medieval and early Renaissance Italy, to the rich cities in the north such as Florence, Venice and Genoa.
The Swiss started tax cheater/crime evading banking.
See there? A respectable profession!
What is with you pro-Palestinian bots that always seem to find every single article mentioning your damn strip of desert?
Pro-Palestinian bots ?
Happy to let you down, but i’m a Palestinian
I know you’ve never heard of Freedom of Speech, but there you go, you can start learning from now.
I know you’re thick, but you might ha, might learn by time..
Fuck you and your terrorist friends. You may have a ‘friend’ in the wHite House that is a radical muslim sympathizer however America stands with Israel-even though Jews vote for the EVIL, Democrat Party.
Show me where word Palestinian existed before 1948. Before they were called Arabs and Jordanians. No county called Palestine ever existed.
That doesn’t mean I don’t support it creation as long as it accepts peaceful existence of Israel.
“No county called Palestine ever existed.”
The people of the area existed.
Prior to 48′ where did the country called Israel exist?
At least Palestine was coined a territory by the British in 1917, so in one respect it longer claim to existence than Israel in geographic terms.
The only reason Israel was formed was their inability to coexist with the existing Palestinian population, the good ole British try failed.
I’m not a Palestinian apologist either, I think the whole region is mired in stupidity…I’m just not for unilateral support(or any support really) for Israel.
cool! are you still in high school? Planning to go to university? make sure you take advanced oriental philosophy – the bhagavad gita rocks!
Obviously comprehension isn’t your strong suit, but your comment history and this comment just validated everything I said. The only “thick” headed people, such as yourself, are single issue blow hards.
They should have nuked em and then nuked Iran.
Apparently there was a Palestinian found hanging dead over the weekend. Maybe a suicide. Maybe not. And several other deaths of Palestinians.
Another vapid piece.
If any of them are Israeli on Palestinian violence, this whole argument is useless. Israel is not without blood on its hands.
Didn’t they get some kind of writ that says they can wipe out Philistines from among their lands?… for worshiping foreign gods, or something.. back when the grapes were as big as basketballs, and enemies were so stupid, they let them cut the tips of their dicks off before the big unannounced battle the next day.
Besides it’s all in the family – Abraham did the dirty with his own slave, and created the Arabs through Ishmael.. they’re illegitimate cousins! .. oh, and it’s ok about him screwing his own slave – unlike Jefferson, he was tricked – he thought she was just a prostitute.
You really are a disgusting piece of shit. Where do you keep the children locked up?
Has anyone been over to your place to tear up the floorboards lately?
You say that on one hand there was a “writ” that says it is ok to wipe out the Philistines (but that is actually incorrect, the Philistines were not among the peoples that were to be conquered). But then you go on about the Arabs. The Philistines of old were not Arab. So you need to choose one or the other, it isn’t both. They aren’t the same people. It’s like saying the Pilgrims from the Mayflower and the Cherokee are the same people, which I am sure you’d agree that if you said it, we’d all consider you an idiot…
The Philistines predate the Israelites in the Levant. The Arabs do not.
In any event, the Israelites did fight the Philistines to a sort of standoff sometime after 1160 BC and eventually the Philistine civilization was demolished completely by the Assyrians. The Arabs came later, around 600 AD, and took the land by force. There were virtually no Arabs in Palestine before 600 AD. The Arabs (“Palestinians”) of today (whose lineage can be traced back to around 600 AD) are separated by the Philistines of old (whose civilization was destroyed around 700 BC) by over 1200 years.
I didn’t say they had a writ.. I asked whether they had one or not. And I didn’t say the Philistines were Arabs… but you could respond to this – were the Jews justified in wiping out surrounding nations who worshiped Baal?
Besides, when it comes to religion, it’s all about the person interpreting the “justification.” For instance – are you aware of the borders of Israel that some Orthodox proponents believe already belong to the Israelis? It’s just a technicality that no Jews live there yet.
Exodus 23:30 By little and little I will drive them out from before thee, until thou be increased, and inherit the land.
Deuteronomy 7:22 And the LORD thy God will put out those nations before thee by little and little: thou mayest not consume them at once, lest the beasts of the field increase upon thee.
Numbers 33:55 But if ye will not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you; then it shall come to pass, that those which ye let remain of them shall be pricks in your eyes, and thorns in your sides, and shall vex you in the land wherein ye dwell.
Judges 2:1 And an angel of the LORD came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said, I made you to go up out of Egypt, and have brought you unto the land which I sware unto your fathers; and I said, I will never break my covenant with you. 2 And ye shall make no league with the inhabitants of this land; ye shall throw down their altars: but ye have not obeyed my voice: why have ye done this? 3 Wherefore I also said, I will not drive them out from before you; but they shall be as thorns in your sides, and their gods shall be a snare unto you.
Genesis 15:18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
plenty of justification there, if you hold your tongue just right.
Remember, Jacob stole Esau’s birthright before he became Israel by twisting the meaning of attaining his father’s “blessing.”
The way it looks to me, he was REWARDED for it.
– scripture is just a puzzle without an external set of rules.. if you can figure out a way to make 1 and 1 equal 3, by pairing up the right mechanisms, some from here… some from there.. then “by god” it’s 3!
You can even justify revoking an entire nation’s right to travel, bulldozing refugee camps with residents still in them, carpet bombing civilians, or shooting a little girl in the back…
but religion has no lock on that, lest we become proud – the CIA probably has a similar set of mechanisms that can be used to create any desired reality Republicans want to name.
“were the Jews justified in wiping out surrounding nations who worshiped Baal?”
There is no need for justification. Why are you searching for it? It happened over 3000 years ago and there isn’t much we can achieve in a search for justification for the Israelites conquering the Baal worshipers. Why did the Assyrians conquer the Israelites? Why did the Babylonians conquer the Assyrians (and again, the Israelites)? Why did the Persians conquer the Babylonians? Why did the Greeks/Macedonians conquer the Persians (and again, the Israelites)? Then the Seleucids, then the Hasmoneans, then the Romans (and again, the Israelites), and so on?
Why are you so deeply troubled by why the Jews wiped out the Baal worshipers? It’s ok for you to worship Baal Euwe. The Israelites aren’t coming for you.
were the Jews justified in wiping out surrounding nations who worshiped Baal?”
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There is no need for justification. Why are you searching for it? It happened over 3000 years ago and there isn’t much we can achieve in a search for justification for the Israelites
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aha! well now, you see?
Justification for something that was done in the bible stands as a “precedent,” that can be used as a springboard for current political behavior…
like – oh.. Levitical prohibitions against homosexuality… an eye for an eye.. paying a fine for causing a miscarriage…. death penalty for blasphemy.. etc. Even a committed dismisser of historical tradition can’t fail to realize that yesterday’s justifications become today’s initiatives.
Why did the Assyrians conquer the Israelites? Why did the Babylonians conquer the Assyrians (and again, the Israelites)? Why did the Persians conquer the Babylonians? Why did the Greeks/Macedonians conquer the Persians (and again, the Israelites)? Then the Seleucids, then the Hasmoneans, then the Romans (and again, the Israelites), and so on?
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You’re not getting it – this is about what passes muster today among those who use biblical history as a template for political behavior.
Why are you so deeply troubled by why the Jews wiped out the Baal worshipers? It’s ok for you to worship Baal Euwe. The Israelites aren’t coming for you.
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See.. if they are justified in wiping out a whole culture because they worship the ‘wrong god,” it follows that if “allah” is ‘as wrong’.. well, you know
Yep, we only see the atrocities against Israelis posted…hardly ever the Palestinians.
The dunce writing this piece thinks that “hate” comes from nothing and is consistently irrational. Her parents probably told her that terrorists hate us for our freedoms too.
You might look up Dr. Goldstein.
“He gave his life for the people of Israel, its Torah and land.”
Yeah… me too. Only I have better posture, and nicer clothes.
and cheese….”bread and cheese”…the two most difficult things to eliminate from my diet. My brother actually tried and could only do it for a few days and then told me I was crazy
Such a shallow piece. Be sure to stop by Rush’s for a celebratory Cheeseburger Basket. It’s befitting the lack of thought.
Bet you wrote for the “Old Gold and Black.”
I agreed with every word you wrote until I got to the last sentence. Israel likes to promote itself as the only democracy in the middle east and sharing western values.
What human rights respecting democracy would support purposely and specifically destroying the homes of the families of terrorist knowing the terrorists themselves are not present.
Many times in the past, other democracies have engaged in such policies (Zippo raids in Vietnam), but for it to be supported publicly from the top to bottom by policy makers is disturbing. The basic foundation of western Judeo-Christian values is that you only purposely punish the guilty not their families. Collective punishment is a war crime according to the Geneva Convention.
Some of the family members have confirmed connections to organized terrorist groups, including a confirmed terrorist who was freed in the Gilad Shalit Swap. I think Israel is right to, with the utmost respect for international laws, see that justice–not revenge–but lawful justice is met.
Israel doesn’t investigate those connections. Often children live in those homes. The US uses it’s UN veto to prevent condemnation and investigation. I favor Israel but they aren’t guiltless.
The IDF investigates ALL Israeli atrocities!.. and finds the parties guiltless.
I think Israel is right to, with the utmost respect for international laws,…
You do realize that you used “Israel” and “respect for international laws” in the same sentence, right?
Problem? Don’t confuse your hatred of Christians for your hatred of Israel.
which came first, the chicken or the Hague?
UN lover!
What human rights respecting democracy would support purposely and specifically destroying the homes of the families of terrorist knowing the terrorists themselves are not present.
Ain’t it kind of the same thing that Sherman did 150 years ago and, on a much smaller scale, what we did to Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima…?
Sherman was 150 years ago and was to destroy the economy.
Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima…. we’re also to destroy the economy and military industry. It didn’t specifically target the families of individual war criminal or individual enemies as a form of punishment.
The Geneva Convention which the US and Israel are signators did not exist until 1949 . This makes no difference to the people of Hiroshima, but the treaty is clear.
” It didn’t specifically target the families of individual war criminal or individual enemies as a form of punishment.”
No, it did it indiscriminately, which is far worse. The US evaporated hundreds of thousands of women & children in a purposeful but indiscriminate manner. It was enough to outrage US generals & scientists that helped develop the bomb at the time, but their dissent was buried.
Don’t judge Israel as you and the Democrat/Socialist party are ‘indiscriminate’ in your murder of 1.2 Million unborn children a year.
You people could care less about human life and just hate Christians and Israel.
Your drivel is old and tired and totally untrue. God bless your stupid, vapid heart and soul.
Bless your heart ,you ugly bitch.
hey! take that back! She’s hot!
It’s usually the hot ones that can afford to be bitches, not the ugly ones. So he’s definitely got something wrong.
Now, you’re just being foolish. Bless your heart.
Too bad they missed you. Your kind is the best reason to make abortion legal heck in your case we should make your abortion legal now.
Vomit, swallow this. Hiroshima and Nagasaki caused the deaths of probably less than 225,000. The number of deaths on Okinawa was 240,931 including 149,193 Okinawan civilians. If you agree that Japan had to be defeated then the atomic bombs probably saved lives.
” If you agree that Japan had to be defeated then the atomic bombs
probably saved lives over the alternative of invasion of the Japanese
main islands.”
and I don’t. It’s quite clear the Japanese were desperate to surrender. It’s not even controversial anymore. They were rebuffed twice 10 days before the first bombing.
The only sticking point for them was they wanted to keep their god king…but the US gov’t would have none of it.
That’s why the story about the land invasion fatalities was so important from a PR standpoint. The atrocity of it otherwise couldn’t be justified so the truth had to be dispensed with.
Believe what you wish everything on the internet is true.
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2008/08/hiroshima_hoax_japans_wllingne.html
That piece has no footnotes and is simply opinion.
Try this accurate and cited piece instead:
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n3p-4_Weber.html
You bet.
The Institute for Historical Review (IHR), founded in 1978, is an organization primarily devoted to publishing and promoting books and essays that deny established facts concerning the Nazi genocide of Jews
You’d think them having an NSA historian on board would have sway with you.
Regardless, if you find the organization dubious and I assume you are killing the message because of the messenger, then let’s switch gears and go to another source. (you did check their sources in 7 minutes that it took you to respond, right?)
Per Wiki:
” But so long as England and the United States insist upon unconditional
surrender, the Japanese Empire has no alternative but to fight on with
all its strength for the honor and existence of the Motherland” (Togo/Sato to Mother Russia around Potsdam)
later, Togo reaffirms:
“With regard to unconditional surrender we are unable to consent to it
under any circumstances whatever. … It is in order to avoid such a
state of affairs that we are seeking a peace, … through the good
offices of Russia”
and wiki explains further:
“American cryptographers had broken most of Japan’s codes, including the Purple code used by the Japanese Foreign Office to encode high-level diplomatic correspondence. As a result, messages between Tokyo and Japan’s embassies were provided to Allied policy-makers nearly as quickly as to the intended recipients”
The US gov’t knew PRECISELY that the Japanese were willing to surrender.
Case closed.
It only took me seven minutes because everything on the internet is true, right?
When you used the IHR it spoke volumes, believe what you wish.
I Don’t Care You Don’t Matter.
*Case closed*.
Awwww….did I hurt your wittle feelings?
How many more citations from different sources do you need for it to be true Mr. Speed Reader?
If I don’t matter, why respond?
Because you’re fun to fuck with.
Oh, cool. Yea man, you fucked with me good!
As you’ve said, lmao,
:)
“bon jour!”
Revisionist history is very compelling. There is the benefit of 20/20 hindsight. Over 60 million people were killed during WWII. Some might say that unconditional surrender and allied forbearance in preserving their emperor was necessary for its future progress. Unconditional surrender was part of an allied agreement. It took two world wars, unconditional surrender, evacuation of Prussia and partitioning to finally squelch German militarism. Would Japanese militaristic ambitions been completely extinguished without the bombs and unconditional surrender?
Even during the peace overtures before the A-bombs, there were Japanese cabinet divisions. They also had an opportunity to surrender before the second A-bomb. Remember the 60 million deaths that came before the A-bombs. Would Japan be the peace loving nation they are today if but the totality of their defeat? Hindsight is our luxury. The American mood for the lose of life and the vicious nature of our enemies did not engender any sympathy. The objection of the bomb developers was also after the fact when passions mellowed and the extent of destruction was understood.
The only Truman advisor who was in favor of dropping the big bomb was James F. Byrnes and his reasoning was not to force Japanese surrender but to scare the Soviets.
MacArthur, Eisenhower, Martshall and a host of others were against this action.
Huh? They teaching that bullshit in the state controlled schools today?
No, asshat. They teach the lies that you happily ingest. Read “A People’s History of the United States” by Howard Zinn.
Still up voting your own posts?
Howard Zinn, seriously?
Another historical illiterate weighs in…
Whatever advice Truman received, Truman stated that his decision to drop the bomb was purely military. A Normandy-type amphibious landing would have cost an estimated million casualties. Truman believed that the bombs saved Japanese lives as well. Prolonging the war was not an option for the President. Over 3,500 Japanese kamikaze raids had already wrought great destruction and loss of American lives.
The President rejected a demonstration of the atomic bomb to the Japanese leadership. He knew there was no guarantee the Japanese would surrender if the test succeeded, and he felt that a failed demonstration would be worse than none at all. Even the scientific community failed to foresee the awful effects of RADIATION SICKNESS. Truman saw little difference between atomic bombing Hiroshima and FIRE BOMBING Dresden or Tokyo.
A delay in ending the war might have resulted in Soviet partition of Japan, similar to Germany. 85% of the American people approved the decisions and only 10% disapproved.
Rebuttal: I won’t just paste it out and pretend that these are my words. Do you make it a habit to copy and paste articles without attribution?
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/10/the-real-reason-america-used-nuclear-weapons-against-japan-to-contain-russian-ambitions.html
Usually not. It was a copy of that actual committee report. The bracketed numbers and content make it clear that it was pasted. It isn’t easy cutting and pasting from a smart phone.
The only person who can answer the question of why the bomb was dropped is Truman. Quotes from Japanese or US officials after the facts are tainted. There is a psychological incentive to distance yourself from responsibility for such tragic events both for Japanese and Americans. When new information conflicts with existing beliefs, ideas and values, people experience “cognitive dissonance.” It is so easy looking back on the destruction of the A-bomb and distance oneself from the US soldiers. It is also easy to look at the cold war with the Soviet Union and think that was at the top of their minds in 1945. The fact is that Japan had the ability to hold out like Germany did. Germany didn’t surrender and the mind set of the Japanese was that Americans were Devils. What was Japan’s response after the first bomb? Nothing. If they were so eager to surrender they had 3 days to do so. Some suggested a demonstration, but Japan got their demonstration at Hiroshima and still no surrender. Each year as the opposition to nuclear weapons increases the opposition to the Japanese bombing increase. People must resolve their issues with “cognitive dissonance.” You can’t resolve being for one and against the other.
Whether he was right or wrong, Truman said it was a purely military decision to save soldiers lives.
They can measure “cognitive dissonance.” I remember reading about a poll when Obama was low in the polls, a majority of the people who said they voted denied voting for Obama yet Obama got 51%. Go figure. Or people meet some one and are told later the he was a bad person they will claim that suspected it all along.
That was a thoughtful reply. Well written and persuasive but, despite Truman’s statement about the “military” nature of the decision, one must to consider the political situation. Had Truman admitted later on that he was swayed by James Byrnes to drop the bomb as a message to the Soviets, it would have negated all that the American people had been told to date.
I believe that Henry Wallace should not have been replaced by Truman on the 1944 ticket. He was not as confrontational as Truman and was less inclined to give carte-blanc to the Military- Industrial Complex to create a new enemy.
A warning to the Soviets is something you might want to send, but could never say publicly. It would be seen as aggressive. I just believe that Truman was war weary. He was receiving the casualty reports from Okinawa and reasoned that the main islands would be worse. I’m sure some Japanese wanted to surrender, but it was so contrary to their culture that the cabinet and Emperor feared taking the lead or couldn’t reach consensus. They also could hold off the decision.
The Soviets weren’t scared until Ronald McDonald had that expo, so they could see all the great stuff we have over here… or at least that some of us have.
Two excellent examples of spare the rod, spoil the child.
Maybe if we would start destroying the homes of the criminals families in this country, parents would start taking the responsibility of raising their children seriously? Maybe Ferguson wouldn’t happen again.
I like it!
Maybe you can get Louie Gohmert to add it to his list of solutions.
I doubt Bain Capital would go for it, though.
All of the Palestinian settlements in the West Bank and Gaza need to be removed via incendiary bombs launched from high altitude bombers. See Dresden and Tokyo in WWII for examples.
Be careful when talking to pro Palestinians about Israeli occupation. They don’t mean occupation beyond the 1967 border. They mean occupation of Tel Aviv, Haifa and all of Israel.
“Last time I checked, jihad is never justifiable.”
lmao!
Who did you check with? If someone slaughtered your entire family for no apparent reason(like a errant drone strike), would you feel justified in some jihad style retribution against them?
Muslims who have lived peacefully in Europe and America for generations are joining jihad.
They are killing minorities, women and children who never did anything to them. There jihad has little to do with revenge. It has to do with radical ideology. It is being supported by Arabs recruits who have lived in safety and oil driven luxury for generations. Look at the Shiites who have suffered thousands of suicide bombings at the hands of Sunnis. Shiites are engaging in revenge killings, but that is not jihad.
Jihad is totally different. Their recruits are not coming mostly from victims. They are not limiting their destruction on those who have attacked them.
You haven’t asked “why”.
If you say it’s because of their religion, then why now? Why did they take a break?
If you seriously just haven’t considered the “why”, you should. Otherwise you are claiming that potentially 1/3 of the world is insane.
I think you’re more logical than that.
Read my last paragraph. It is mass media TV and Internet That undermines their values. What does Boko Haram mean? Western education is evil. That is the true motive. Western values cannot be resisted without violence. They believe pluralism is incompatible with Islam. It can’t be left to the individual to decide for him or herself about religion and values.
IDK, that seems too far a stretch. Sure, I remember the pissing and moaning in the 80’s about American culture import/export to Islamic countries…but I really think it’s more than that.
Our presence in their lands is akin to beating a hornets nest with a stick IMO. (exacerbated by killing, whether inadvertent or not)
They can beat back the cultural waves via restriction on internet(like China), TV, etc. I don’t hink it’s enough to drive them to suicide runs.
I just can’t buy your argument at this point in time.
Look at this list of conflicts around world. Almost all of them involve Islam in some way. Except for Ukraine and the Mexican drug war, it is all jihad.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflicts
Huh, I just noticed you must have went and edited/added to your answer.
Anyway, let’s not do the whole “wet sidewalks cause rain” thing, I’m just not up for a lengthy debunking right now.
vengeance is mine, sayeth the white man.
Maybe he asked a Reform Rabbi.
I really have no idea. The line between Zionism and adherence to Judeo principles is so distorted/convoluted by Israelis that I have no idea where each starts/stops, nor do I think they know themselves.
Not that it means anything.. I’m curious about shit like that.
Another thing I’d like to see is a daily survey of Southern Baptists from 1847 to today…
I’d love to see the results over the years…
Do you believe black men are the descendants of Cain? If yes, do you believe black men are paying for the sin of Cain through slavery?
Should free black men be allowed to vote?
Should women be allowed to vote?
Do you believe the Pope is the anti-Christ?
Should homosexuals be put to death?
Should alcohol be illegal?
Are Jews responsible for killing Christ?
Is the word “nigger” offensive in any way?
Should blacks be prevented from marrying outside the black race?
Wouldn’t it be exciting to be able to see how information percolated through the bigotry? To look at the news stories on the days with the biggest change… to assess the power of ideas, and the impermeability of tradition and culture.,.. the naivete of hate…
Hell, you only have to go back 30 years in the Mormon faith to have fun with the racial questions. Bop them over their heads with the book of Moroni.
The internets have been devastating to them too, forcing the church historians to now get in front of the train coming towards them…lol
I love watching Hell on Wheels btw…their Mormon treatment is fascinating.
Moroni… :)
Yeah, well, it sure was interesting watching the camel-haters whistling in the graveyard around Romney. No matter how hard he tried to pretend, it was an embarrassment to him.
Jesus went up into the clouds like evaporating water.. no special physical destination specified.. while Mormons have that whole Kolob thing to deal with, and the planet-per thing… the added specificity is even more mysterious than the “it’s a mystery” dismissal.
I was hoping someone with a pair of balls would ask him (being a deacon and all) about how the book was read out of a hat.
Doesn’t she mean “OMG! I’M SO PREDICTABLE!”
This ought to be a new media word. (naar
?????)
It is the Hebrew for ‘shaking off’ Round up all Balestinians ALL…and set them in the desert. Let the Balestinians move home to Jordan, Syria and Egypt. No Balestinians in Jerusalem or Israel = secure state for Israel.
Like a dog with fleas, Israel should dispose of the Balestinian fleas to enjoy freedom and peace.
I suppose that Israelis were defending themselves from “terrorists: when they engaged in a prolonged attack on the USS Liberty in 1967.
Not that old Canard… it was only one little ship! Hell, we’ve probably sunk plenty of our own ships along the way… oopsie!
False flag makes foreign policy SOOOO much easier for the warmongers.
These days, all you have to do is run a story about something that never even happened, quoting “unnamed sources,” to get everyone on board for another war…
The CIA could get us into a war today with the death of less than a hundred people.. say, by cutting their heads off, onesy-twosy and daring us to do something about it… or saying “nanny nanny boo boo” and leaving a rug at the border.. with a Koran nearby.. and no sign of O’Keefe ANYWHERE!
Witness the Chinese Fire Drill in the media surrounding ISIS beheadings. 64 people in Saudi Arabia have been beheaded this year for crimes including adultery and sorcery. Nobody in the media is raising a fuss about that.
British and US citizens are made of gold, unless you’re talking about their health or welfare here at home. Saudis would NEVER jeopardize their good standing by lopping one of *our* blonde-blue-eyed heads off.
But any other heads? Who cares?
“British and US citizens are made of gold”
We are the Golden Geese as far as the Saudi’s and our pols are concerned.
ISIS is a lot more savvy with the media.
“Feelings about Israel and the area that calls itself Palestine seldom strike a tone of indifference.”
sorry, but I couldn’t get past this first excruciatingly awkward sentence.
It’s like an uncomfortable seat belt.
I don’t stand for either one of them. I don’t think the US should get involved with it. It simply comes down to crazy people and their religion. “I’m right and you’re wrong!” … “NO! I’m right and you’re wrong”
I stand with the idea that logic and rationale should be the deciding factor.
Take your heart off of your sleeve and don’t let one isolated incident define your “stance”.
The history of atrocities, on both sides, is significant and utterly ridiculous. Whether it be a group of crazies pulling a stupid jihad, or tanks bulldozing innocent civilians homes, the level of aggression between these folks only grows and is only fomented by simple minded and emotionally driven “stances” such as yours.
You can have your cute little stance. See, it’s easier to spread hatred from the bravery of being out of range. But, what if we plopped you and your indignant moral platitude down in palestine or somewhere in the hot areas of the strip.
Then, maybe you wouldn’t be so quick to develop such a callous and ignorant position. Then maybe you wouldn’t be so quick to advocate further destruction and violence.
But, who knows? Even in the crosshairs, maybe you would still prefer to keep your “stance”.
Pfc. Steven Dale Green raped and killed a 14-year-old Iraqi girl in 2006 after shooting and killing her parents and younger sister. Then he and five of his combat buddies from a nearby U.S. Army checkpoint set the girl’s corpse on fire.
We got to the bottom of *that* one in a hurry!
On June 16, a checkpoint manned by soldiers in the perpetrators’ unit was attacked and overrun. Specialist David Babineau was killed and Pfcs Thomas Lowell Tucker and Kristian Menchaca were captured, tortured, and killed. When Yribe heard this, he told Pfc Justin Watt that Green was a murderer. On June 22, 2006, the rape and the murders came to light when Watt revealed them during a psychological health counseling session. Watt stated that he asked to speak with a mental health counselor because he wanted to bypass what he thought would be a skeptical command structure and get an audience with Army investigators.
Green had been honorably discharged from the Army on May 16, 2006, before the crime was recognized, with “antisocial personality disorder”. The FBI assumed jurisdiction for the crime committed by Green under the Military Extraterritorial Jurisdiction Act and charged him with the killings.
I wonder if those guys who attacked the checkpoint were thinking “jihad?”
how about you stand 10 or 12 miles down the road?
Blood libel of Israel, like slander and libel of conservatives by the left remains obdurately sacrosanct. JHVH will see to them.
Blood libel
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You mean the baby eating thing?
I thought the whole “Jews eating babies” thing died with Hitler. I suppose having the viewpiont that Israel is partially responsible for the ongoing problems there make me a Neo-Nazi now.
Oh well, I’ve been called worse.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_libel
In general, you’d better be well-prepared if you intend to criticize any part of Israeli political behavior. The Storm Front guys keep that ground permeated with Antisemitism, so you can’t just doop-dee-doo your way through that neighborhood.
Nazis treated the Jews like they were uneducated savages… I sometimes wonder what they would have done with a few crates of Katyusha -class rockets after the Nazis kicked them out of their homes…. if they hadn’t put them in camps, that is.
If all the “Palestinians” laid down their weapons tomorrow nothing would happen. If Israel laid down all their weapons tomorrow Israel would cease to exist by midnight.
“We must condemn the taking of human lives.”
If you truly believed that, you would not stand with Israel. Forget the expulsion of 700,000 Palestinians from their homes in 1948, forget the refugee camps in Jordan, Syria and Lebanon, forget the fact that Palestinians essentially live within a walled ghetto, forget that Palestinians cannot travel from one village to another, even within Palestinian territory, because the Israeli army controls transportation, forget it all. There is infinitely more blood on Israeli hands than Palestinian hands when it comes to killing civilians. Palestinians have been killed at a rate of 10 to 1 compared to Israeli’s. Look at Israel invasions of Gaza and the West Bank: on one hand you have kids throwing rocks and bottles, on the other you have a tank destroying an entire apartment complex, because there are 2 “suspected militants” inside. And Palestinians are the aggressors? Give me a break. Stop listening to the propaganda from the AIPAC and the rest of the Israel Lobby.
Jews, huh? watch this…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfEBupAeo4&feature=player_embedded