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LIBYAN DEBACLE THE LATEST RESULT OF OUR “INDISPENSABLE” LEADERSHIP Quick … we’ve got to “do something.”  The United States of America – which has bankrupted its current and future generations by (among other things) intervening in conflicts around the globe – is once again seeing the sad result of its meddling….

LIBYAN DEBACLE THE LATEST RESULT OF OUR “INDISPENSABLE” LEADERSHIP

Quick … we’ve got to “do something.”  The United States of America – which has bankrupted its current and future generations by (among other things) intervening in conflicts around the globe – is once again seeing the sad result of its meddling.

And no … we’re not talking about Iraq this time.

America – bragged on by its president Barack Obama last week – intervened in Libya in 2011 via Operation Odyssey Dawn, which unilaterally (and without congressional authorization) engaged in militarily-driven regime change.  You know … despite the Obama administration’s assurances that our country was “not engaged in militarily-driven regime change.”

“This is not an outcome the U.S. or any of our partners sought,” Obama said at the time. “We cannot stand idly by when a tyrant tells his people there will be no mercy.”

Okay … never mind that the tyrant had been instrumental in holding radical jihadists at bay, and his ouster resulted in a complete and total disintegration of the country.  It’s also led directly to the overthrow of a democratically elected government in neighboring Mali – where stockpiles of arms fell into the hands of groups like al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb and Ansar Dine, who used them to impose a radical sharia regime in the northern part of the country.

Collateral damage, right?

What’s happened since then?  Well for starters … Benghazi happened.

Remember that?

And more recently, a coalition of militia groups has successfully routed Libya’s puppet regime from Tripoli – seizing government buildings and declaring a new revolution under the name “Libya Dawn.”

“The (Libyan) government reiterates that these buildings and the public headquarters are not safe and inaccessible, because they are under the control of armed men,” a statement from the puppet government noted.

In addition to government offices, “Libya Dawn” has seized numerous commercial airplanes at Tripoli airport – jets it could conceivably use in regional terror attacks.

What a mess … and once again, it is a mess of America’s making.  One in which our costly intervention has backfired and made us less safe .

The price is still rising, too.  While the United States is too busy attacking Iraq and warmongering in Syria to re-engage in Libya … for the moment … our government is sending attack helicopters and other military assets to Egypt, which is preparing its own intervention.

Insanity, right?

Right …

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44 comments

Centrist View September 3, 2014 at 10:49 am

For a start, if we are going to send in troops, take out all those pickup trucks with machine guns mounted in the back. Ditto for every other truck and tank. Make them all foot soldiers.

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euwe max September 3, 2014 at 2:53 pm

I say we kill them all…. that’s *our* land! What the hell are they doing on *our* land?

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It's a Happy Global Community September 3, 2014 at 4:28 pm

You aren’t really for property rights anyway, so what does it matter?

Everything is everyone’s.

:)

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euwe max September 4, 2014 at 2:52 am

A species doesn’t deserve to survive that doesn’t act as a community.

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It's a Happy Global Community September 4, 2014 at 8:45 am

There are certain communities that we might want to go away.

For instance, the prison community.

Just because it’s a community doesn’t mean it’s “good”.

euwe max September 4, 2014 at 9:54 am

yeah… sort of like “the greatest good for the greatest number” – prisons are “good.”

It's a Happy Global Community September 4, 2014 at 10:12 am

lol…sure…”war is peace” too. Come on, don’t debate on the axiomatic view that some communities should go away, you’re better than that.

Beyond that, you should really try to work on some cognizant view on how property rights should work so there’s no dissonance.

euwe max September 4, 2014 at 4:57 pm

talk about dissonance. Are you saying prisons should go away?

It's a Happy Global Community September 3, 2014 at 4:28 pm

Btw, I gave you a thumbs up anyway cause I like your comment.

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CNSYD September 3, 2014 at 10:50 am

We never had this problem when Muammar was in charge. Sic Willie must long for those days. Also when Stalin ran things in eastern Europe you didn’t have all that belly aching in places like the Ukraine. Sic Willie, you want him back also?

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Jackie Chiles September 3, 2014 at 10:51 am

We never would’ve had a problem if we supported Assad from the beginning.

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snickering September 3, 2014 at 1:32 pm

Or killed him. Excuse me I meant dethroned him.

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Jackie Chiles September 3, 2014 at 2:07 pm

Killing him would’ve been much, much worse. Putin was right on Syria.

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euwe max September 3, 2014 at 2:52 pm

But…. but… we *have* to destabilize *all* the Arab nations… and Persia, too… it’s our (far away look)… DESTINY!

Bible Thumper September 3, 2014 at 2:16 pm

1. Pan Am Flight 103 (involved in the Lockerbie bombing) was a Pan Am transatlantic flight from Frankfurt to Detroit via London and New York City that was destroyed by a terrorist bomb on Wednesday, 21 December 1988, killing all 243 passengers and 16 crew on board.[1] Large sections of the aircraft crashed into Lockerbie, Scotland, killing 11 more people on the ground.

2. He funded the Black September group who perpetrated the 1972 Munich massacre of Israeli athletes in West Germany, and had the killed militants’ bodies flown to Libya for a hero’s funeral.

3. Gaddafi financially supported other militant groups across the world, including the Black Panther Party, Nation of Islam, Tupamaros, 19th of April Movement and Sandinista National Liberation Front in the Americas,the Provisional Irish Republican Army, Action directe, ETA, the Red Brigades, and the Red Army Faction in Europe, and the Armenian Secret Army, Japanese Red Army, Free Aceh Movement, and Moro National Liberation Front in Asia.

4. In late 1972 and early 1973, Libya invaded Chad to annex the uranium-rich Aouzou Strip.

5. Gaddafi sponsored anti-government militants in Tunisia into the 1980s.

6. Orchestratied the 1986 Berlin discotheque bombing, in which two American soldiers died,

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euwe max September 3, 2014 at 2:51 pm

big bad dictator.. 19 nobodies got a higher American kill count.

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CNSYD September 3, 2014 at 3:05 pm

Suggestion. Buy a dictionary and look up the word sarcasm.

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Bible Thumper September 3, 2014 at 4:19 pm

Well you just saw my sarcasm and didn’t understand it. I’m just laying out your point for those with short memories.

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Forest Hump September 3, 2014 at 2:23 pm

Yes, all those former dictators/allies of ours(even Stalin was our ally at one point too!) need taxpayers dollars allocated for either humane bombing or CIA style coup’s to keep us safe from those who hate our freedoms.

If you want to argue that we should “save the lives” of people outside our country with taxpayer dollars instead, then I suggest we could save more and spend less by simply feeding poor people in Africa.

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GOD BLESS AMERICA September 3, 2014 at 11:16 am

The greatest threat to the USA is NOT Russia, NOT ISIS, NOT AL QUEIDA! The greatest threat to the USA is the administration of BARAK Obama!
Many Americans and future generations will suffer immeasurably from the decisions he makes and the indecissiveness of his actions!
His reelection was a monumental and horrible error, just as Haley’s reelection will be.
The problem is too many people will vote for Haley, just as Obama. They will NOT vote due to their successes (which are non existent) or failures. They will vote to to BLIND party loyalty!

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Crooner September 3, 2014 at 11:59 am

Hey, we survived Dubya. Barely.

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Jim September 3, 2014 at 12:24 pm

That probably means we can survive anything.

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euwe max September 3, 2014 at 1:18 pm

actually, we haven’t yet.

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EJB September 3, 2014 at 3:41 pm

Just curious, just when do you expect to start holding the Democrats responsible for the things they do? Obviously you don’t think 6 years is enough, even though for two of those years Democrats had control of both houses of Congress, with super majorities, and the Presidency. Do you intend to wait until things somehow magically get better then say “it took 28 years but we finally fixed Ws mistakes”? You are one sad individual.

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Soft Sigh from Hell September 3, 2014 at 7:35 pm

Droolin’ Ronnie (currently of Hell) was still blaming Carter for all manner of ills well into Ronnie’s second term.

EJB September 4, 2014 at 7:00 am

eh bullshit, I’m not believing that and you can’t prove it. I don’t recall him even dogging Carter at the start of his first term. I do recall the US improving greatly during his presidency though.

euwe max September 4, 2014 at 2:54 am

Just curious, just when do you expect to start holding the Democrats responsible for the things they do?

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What do they do, besides stand aside and let the Republicans fuck us all over?

EJB September 4, 2014 at 7:06 am

So, you agree, Democrats aren’t being help responsible for the utter disaster they have created and it will continue to get worse. Why not just get rid of them? Things really can’t get worse with a Republican. Even you doves, with the peace prize President and the door mat Democrats, acknowledge that the world is on the precipice of a third world war. You have the Senate and the Presidency so there is nothing, nothing the Republicans can do to advance a war footing, so with the US creeping its way towards war its all Democrats, and has been Democrats for six years. You want to hate, hate them.

RogueElephant September 3, 2014 at 5:47 pm

I have long said Obummer is not the problem. He is a symptom of a much bigger problem- a country that would elect a BHO in the first place.

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EJB September 3, 2014 at 12:22 pm

upp, there it is, time to watch the worm channel again.

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idiotwind September 3, 2014 at 1:10 pm

man they had it so good under qadafi. you didn’t see atrocities making the news when he was in charge. unless they did make the news, but that was entirely not the point. or at least Fits didn’t give a shit about the folks being raped, tortured and murdered under the colonel.

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Smirks September 3, 2014 at 1:14 pm

Say what you will about Gaddafi, but if I were a dictator, I’d totally have hot women for bodyguards too.

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euwe max September 3, 2014 at 1:17 pm

it’s so good to be bad.

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snickering September 3, 2014 at 1:34 pm

You are a wise man. I bet you enjoy every minute of life. Kudo’s to you.

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Bible Thumper September 3, 2014 at 1:54 pm

Hot? They looked like East German swimmers.

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Smirks September 3, 2014 at 2:32 pm

Not all of ’em were lookers, but a number of them were.

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Smirks September 3, 2014 at 1:11 pm

Benghazi happened. Remember that?

Oh, lord, do we ever. Republicans only brought it up every five minutes. And yet the Congressional report never found a gosh darn trace of cover up. Better start up another committee, amirite?

BENGHAZI!

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euwe max September 3, 2014 at 1:17 pm

benghazi! (the new banzai)

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euwe max September 3, 2014 at 1:16 pm

Don’t you remember PNAC and the whole reason we did this in the first place? Creative Destruction ring a bell? how about Richard Perle?

Hasn’t *anyone* woken up from this dream yet?

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+1 September 3, 2014 at 2:16 pm

Love this comment.

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Soft Sigh from Hell September 3, 2014 at 7:39 pm

The neocons envisioned a sort of New Caliphate ruled from Wall Street. Didn’t quite turn out that way did it?

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euwe max September 4, 2014 at 2:50 am

They really believe if you stir shit long enough, it becomes a smooth, creamy, aromatic chocolate worth billions of dollars.

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Soft Sigh from Hell September 3, 2014 at 7:39 pm

The neocons envisioned a sort of New Caliphate ruled from Wall Street. Didn’t quite turn out that way did it?

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Deo Vindice SC September 3, 2014 at 10:13 pm

Start up another IRAQ !!!!

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