298 PEOPLE DEAD … BLAME GAME UNDERWAY
A Malaysia Airlines jetliner carrying 298 passengers and crew has been reportedly shot down over Ukraine – killing all aboard.
The Boeing 777 – bound from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur – was reportedly felled by a surface-to-air missile. Accounts of charred bodies and burning wreckage quickly littered international media accounts.
“A Boeing Malaysian Airlines that was flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur began to descend about 50 kilometers before entering Russian airspace, and was subsequently found burning on the ground in Ukraine,” Russian news agency Interfax reported.
Ukraine’s government – installed by a U.S.-led coup earlier this year – denied any involvement in the incident.
“The Ukraine Armed Forces did not fire at any targets in the sky,” Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko said.
Two days ago, a Ukrainian Su-25 fighter jet was shot down as part of escalating hostilities between Ukraine and Russia. Ukraine’s puppet government blamed that incident on Russian fighter jets.
“Military aircraft of the Russian Federation carried out a rocket attack on a Su-25 plane of the armed forces of Ukraine,” a spokesman for Ukraine’s government said.
Malaysian officials called for an immediate investigation into the attack – which occurred while the jet was at a cruising altitude of more than 33,000 feet. Meanwhile on the ground in the disputed border regions of Ukraine fingers were pointed.
Pro-Russian separatist groups blamed the attack on the Ukrainian air force.
“The portable air defense systems which we have, they work at a maximum of three to four thousand meters,” separatist spokesman Sergey Kavtaradze said, according to the BBC. “Therefore, it is possible to say virtually before the start of the investigation that the Ukrainian armed forces destroyed this.”
Western officials – including former UK ambassador to Russia Sir Tony Brenton – hinted that the separatists themselves had shot the plane down, warning of “world condemnation” in response.
This is the second tragedy to befall Malaysia Airlines this year. In March another Boeing 777 traveling from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing carrying 239 passengers and crew disappeared over the ocean.
That plane has not been found …
U.S. president Barack Obama and Russian president Vladimir Putin held a previously scheduled conference call in the aftermath of the crash, with Obama threatening “additional sanctions” against Russia over its involvement in the Ukraine.
Really? Aside from the terrible timing of such a political threat, Obama needs a refresher on what prompted this crisis in the first place.
UPDATE: Russia’s Life News was among the first media outlets on the scene. Be warned, though, some of these images are exceedingly graphic. To view them, click here.
UPDATE II: Hillary Clinton blames the tragedy on Putin.
UPDATE III: Who altered this plane’s flight path?
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If this story is true………watch the OIL markets. The cost at the pump should jump this weekend ….if not in the next hour…!!
Boomerang 101, 404, 901
No one reading or writing this blog has a clue as to what actually happened, but I doubt that will deter commentary.
Such as yours …
——-“Ukraine’s government – installed by a U.S.-led coup earlier this year – ……. Ukraine’s puppet government ———-
I do recall Ukraine had an election, but don’t you respect it and you do respect the Crimea referendum that had two choices: Leave the Ukraine or Leave the Ukraine and join Russia and was subject to Russian military intimidation.
It seems you don’t respect any elections unless they are conducted by the Russian military, North Korea or Syria. Graham, and Poreshenko are puppets, but Putin, Kim Jong un, Bashar al-Assad are certainly not puppets. You never have any thing bad to say about those who hate the USA like yourself or are authoritarian.
Nope, actually installed by the US State Department and their band of merry neocons. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QxZ8t3V_bk
Poreshenko was never mentioned in this conversation. Three others were motioned and none of the outcomes suggested in this conversation ever happened.
That conversation is proof that we at least had an interest in toppling the government of Ukraine and setting up something else more friendly to the US. More on the puppet angle from the WikiLeaks Cables.
http://scgnews.com/leaked-documents-ukraines-new-president-works-for-the-us-state-department
I started reading some of the Wikileak transcripts and SCGnews does some cleaver editing. (OU) sounds like a code name but is the initials of Our Ukraine (a political party). Poroshenko’s price had to be paid” was and coalition agreement between the Orange movement and OU to give Poroshenko the speakership of the Rada (Ukrainian parliament) in 2006. This is typical political horse trading. The State Department document appears not to support this. That is not a puppet.
I found this prophetic statement from 2009 that SCGnews did
not choose to reveal of a meeting between Hillary Clinton and Poroshenko. http://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/09STATE129520_a.html
“Poroshenko was pleased by the U.S.-Russia statement
reaffirming the Budapest Memorandum security assurances. He proposed bilateral consultations to establish new security “guarantees” for Ukraine, saying such consultations were needed to avoid an incident similar to the Russia-Georgia war. Poroshenko lamented that Montenegro and Bosnia, which had not voluntarily given up nuclear weapons, were on their way to NATO membership. Ukraine felt that NATO had demanded greater reforms from it than from other countries. He claimed that both Prime Minister
Tymoshenko and opposition leader Yanukovych had agreed to avoid raising NATO in their campaigns.”
The Memorandum originally signed by three nuclear powers, the Russian Federation, the United States of America (Clinton Adm.), and the United Kingdom gave assurances against threats or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine as well as those of Belarus and Kazakhstan. As a result Ukraine gave up the world’s third largest nuclear weapons stockpile between 1994 and 1996.
SCGnews states “Poroshenko’s role as an informant for the U.S.” Everything in this transcript refers to conversation between an ambassador and a foreign minister (Poroshenko). I would hardly characterize such conversations as involving an informant. That is not a puppet. https://search.wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/10KYIV246_a.html
I have never heard of SCGnews. It uses no by lines and does not identify the owner. I found in their acticles only criticism of Kiev and the west and none of Russia or the separatist.
So, President Obama’s State Department is consorting with neocons???
The Yale boys / Neocons / etc have ran the State Department for years. Kerry is a Yaleie, look up the background on Nuland, the Kagans, etc. All of which are in the upper reaches of the State Department. The Neocons are actually apolitical and have switch parties before. They were attached to the Democrats through the 70s and switch to the Republican side in the late 80s. It appears there may be another switch in play. Determining their actual motives is the more difficult part, though the MIC loves them as does various international organizations. They are a mess.
I know. They are either members of the Trilaterial Commission or they are Bilderbergers or both. Right?
I never said that. Bilderbergers are nothing but a rich people drinking club, the Trilateral Commission is likely the same. I didn’t even mention skull and bones because I don’t really believe it has anything to do with anything other than being a dumb frat at Yale. There is however a connection between Yale graduates and the State Department. There are factions in the State Department that appear to be pushing a neocon agenda that in some cases runs counter to the best interests of the USA. This has been going on since at least the 70s. I’m not calling it a conspiracy theory or anything of the sort, just something that’s going on.
So the short version is that it doesn’t really mean anything.
Someone’s playing a game for the MIC. Contractors and lobbyist are likely getting to them at certain schools. Yale is a know spook school, as is UC Berkeley and many others. CIA, Department of State other agencies recruit heavily from these schools and I’m sure the industry knows it as well. Some of it is job preservation. No persistent threat, no need for a big diplomatic and intelligence organization. Yeah, I just made conspiracy theories boring.
Now they are Zombie’s a cult that serves itself. They call it, Republican !
The entire state of SC was Dem until the civil right’s movement.
I know. Different paradigm, but and the switch was a bit later. Who knows what drove it, and what’s driving it now. Dems were in control of most of the fed gov for the time period from WW II through the 70s (Eisenhower and Nixon being the exceptions and a republican senate a few times). Maybe they are just better at picking the “power” party, but again who really knows.
” Power ” great comment. There is no power, ” there is right and wrong ” that is the power.
I pretty much hate them both equally at this point and there really isn’t a dimes worth of difference between the parties. Both are trying to screw over the country just in different ways. I really would like to see us switch to a mixed member proportional voting system for legislative elections and an alternative vote system for executive elections. I hate have to hold my nose and vote lesser of two evils and I hate the damn two party system.
Mixed Member Proportional Vote – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT0I-sdoSXU
Alternative Vote – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y3jE3B8HsE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p2BjhSEnNI
only if you don’t mind dying.
I know, 295 people died, that’s easy.
Obviously the folks that President Obama paid to attack the embassy in Benghazi and then paid to infiltrate the IRS and target Tea Baggers and then paid to take away guns from all Americans and then paid to be the Death Panels would be the most likely culprits . . . IMPEACHMENT NOW!!!
Seeing you list the crazy right wing opinions out like makes me laugh about all the crazy left wing conspiracies when Bush was president.
Bush was placed on this planet by the evil Ming the Merciless.
You forgot a Brain, to see the real deal !
Come on, Obama didn’t give anybody SAMS.
Got any updates for us Tommy?
I really don’t care about “who did what to whom” on this one. I do know I won’t be booking a ticket on Malaysian Airlines anytime soon.
What I have learned in 2014: Never fly Malaysia Airlines!
Why the fuck would anyone route civilian air traffic over a war zone at any altitude?
….to save on JET FUEL costs and make more PROFIT than a competitor that re-routes their aircraft for safety reasons…!!
So…sailor,….why was the Panama CANAL built…?
A group of people with no recon and Air to Air combat seems not good for the world.
So…sailor,….why was the Panama CANAL built…?
To keep the brothas down?
Before Obama was elected, he told us this kind of thing would not happen. He told us it was all Bush and Cheney’s fault. Obama promised us, under him, these counties would solve their problems by joining hands for a multi-cultural round of the Hokey-Pokey..
What happened?
6 years of incompetence. That’s what happened.
You know that is Blasphemy among certain religious cults in America.
What’s the unofficial name?
stupid ?
I’d rather have 6 years of incompetence than 12 years of a useless war. That’s what happened. The useless war put Obama in office, do you get that ?
Oh, I forgot George W. Bush was running for a 3rd and 4th term.
any other dem is the name
For all you know, the plane may have just caught fire.
Ya know….Mr. Wil Folks, the comment by SAILOR is very telling. If you Mr. Folks were fighting in a WAR ZONE, would YOU shoot down everything that flew over you if you had the chance..? Does Malaysia Air pay the people to FLY over their property..? Is it not the same principle that drives “terrorists” to fight over OIL revenue…?
Mr. Folks……how much are you going to get PAID if a pipeline is built from North Dakota all the way to Charleston via Columbia in royalties and property easement “security”…!?
Would YOU be mad if JIM CLYBURN got paids wads of cash to approve and vote for the pipeline deal and diverted all the royalty loot to a charity in …MOSCOW….or LAGOS..??
Mr Folks….how come YOU have not informed your readers about the OIL infrastructure “upgrades” in our state on a daily or weekly or “war schedule”…?
Come on now …Wil, we feel sure you want to be better than the Post and Courier…or do you.!?
President Obama said the incident “looks like it may be a terrible tragedy”
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The news is:……..IT IS A TERRIBLE TRAGEDY..!!
Somebody wake up the pissant and pull the golf balls out of his asshole…..
He got the news too fast to be on the golf course, must have been watching TV.
Not necessary, he can read about it in the morning.
Why wasn’t the airliner armed? An unarmed aircraft is an invitation to get shot at.
“armed”… or “armored”…??
AK-47 w/30-round clip
AGGGGGHHHHH! Grammar Nazi time! Clips are devices, almost always without springs, used to load magazines. Magazines are the spring-loaded devices used to feed ammunition into the action of a semi-automatic or fully automatic firearm.
Magazine was also a cool album released by Heart back around 1978 as well as the title cut for that album. The better cuts, IMHO, were Heartless, Devil Delight, Just The Wine, and Without You.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOr1nV9p_XE&list=PL5605B08D24D17B8A
OMFG! Did I fuck up AGAIN???
I’m still trying to live down that moon phase thing.
Was that the ‘waxing’ and ‘waning’ thing?
it was the “waning gibbous crescent moon”… and when are going to get the details of your meth run?
Got it — had to look it up though. Seems that when you posted that I thought you meant to use ‘gibbon’, and I was trying to get that image out of my head.
I was trying to show off. I just can’t help myself… when I’m in the presence of South Carolinians, I feel like a GENIUS!!!
…but I didn’t know gibbous means more than 50% lit. Fucking Bible Thumper saw it, and rubbed it in.
You have to remember that your nemesis is now monitoring your comments now, even if he doesn’t know grammar or spelling.
Now that I’ve committed the fact that you’re using a cell phone to memory, my steps on the internet will be as tritium enhanced hydrogen bombs, ripping through the mantle, and splitting the sky.
All hydrogen bombs are tritium.
oh yeah? Oh yeah?
Well.. that may be…
but… are neutrinos dangerous?
Illusory superiority: Look it up.
It won’t help, I suffer from Anosognosia.
What? I don’t understand. I have visual agnosia.
I have acquired pure alexia.
Oh my.
Here we go…
Keep quiet, you!
That double drum Glock mag looks interesting, but it would be hell to conceal under my shirt. I’d have to convince people I had a huge hernia or tumor on that side when out and about.
:-D
Use it as a butt pad.
I put a picture in there of a 150 round drum for an M16. Now that would be an interesting accessory at a redneck cocktail party!
I did think they were installing some of those flares on US planes after 9/11.
When they put parachutes on board, get back to me
If you ever have the opportunity, check out the belly of an El-Al airliner.
All those little “antenna” looking apparatus, amazingly similar to the belly of a B-52.
El-Al also has one more person on the flight deck. Electronics counter-measure officier, I believe to be the title.
Yet Ukraine accidently took down an Israeli passenger plane over Crimea in 2001 during a training mission. I wonder if they had that technology then.
Read it Again. I said El-Al Air Lines.
You know, the one owned by Israel.
And FYI, it was in the early 80’s when I noticed all the antenna on the fuselage of El-Al Airlines.
I know. I was relying on my memory of the crash(Siberia was my edit). That flight was bringing Jewish refugees from Russia to Israel. I would expect that Israel has some additional security requirements for other airlines using their airports.
I’ll bet those sons a bitches have parachutes, too!
— don’t think a parachute would have helped me….at all!
Was it wing sar? Were you in training as a mule?
Get used to it, reports a few years ago were that the Russian military was missing several hundred of these missiles. Only a matter of time before one gets smuggled into this country and used.
Two *lost* Malaysian Airlines 777s in less than 4 months.
What are the odds?
What are the odds?
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1
Tell Ms Grahamnesty to shut up. I don’t want to hear anything about this out of “it’s” pie hole.
How many nations have shot down a civilian airliner now? Even including state-terrorism bombing (like Muammar and Lockerbie).
USSR – Korean
US – Iranian
Miami Cubans (acting as “Free Cuba”) – Cuban
Libya – American
Didn’t someone shoot down an Israeli airliner in the 50s or the Israelis some Arab airliner back then?
Am I missing any?
Pretty rare. Fortunately.
US – Iranian – I call Bullshit. That aircraft was filled with naked bodies and no luggage. That was a planted plane for the Vincennes to shoot down to create an international incident.
Source?
*Not being a smartass….genuinely curious. *
This is the closest internet description I can find of what I was told. My dad had a naval intelligence officer that was one of his employees at the time that relayed what I posted above. Dad is an ex-army spook.
http://maydaytvshow.wikia.com/wiki/USS_Vincennes_(CG-49)
Was an ex-army spook at the time working for a city goverment in the midlands.
The Iran Air 655 shoot down by the USS Vincennes was the result of an overly aggressive crew and skipper, nothing more.
*Not being a smartass
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How does one go about that? …. genuinely curious.
USSR – KAL 007 AND KAL 902
(The) Ukraine – Siberian Airlines 1812
Libyan Arab Airlines Flight 114 – 1973
There must be some way in which this is Obama’s fault — what isn’t? People foolishly believe it was Mrs. O’Leary’s cow that started the Great Fire in Chicago, but it was Obama. Plate tectonics, bah! That’s just scientific mumbo-jumbo. It was Obama who caused the San Francisco earthquake. Also, he’s to blame for the Cubs not winning the World Series since 1908. Just ask George Will!
I can’t believe it, you didn’t blame Bush.
How can I? This is Obama’s fault.
Although TBG *assumes* this was just another unfortunate “center fuel tank explosion”; he would still like to know the whereabouts of Capt. Will Rogers earlier today.
PRO TIP:
Never assume something is true until a government unequivocally and absolutely denies it.
Don’t ask Obama where Capt Rogers is because Obama’s at a fund raiser.