Only two Democrats voted against the pay raise. The Republicans understand that the real money is in converting campaign funds to personal use. In the unlikely event that you get caught, they just return the money like Harrell does.
The other lucrative income comes from representing clients before boards, commissions and judges that they elect.
The final way to supplement income is to pass or block legislation that benefits them, their family or campaign contributor in an insider fashion.
They don’t need a raise. They have plenty of creative sources of income.
You miss the point that a free market keep self interest in check, I have no idea where you get the notion that libertarians are some paragons of selfless virtue(or claim to be), in fact it’s the very opposite…the only difference being libertarians admit that generally unlike most of the people that look up to gov’t/pols and think they are “selfless”…which is ridiculous.
You miss the point that a free market keep self interest in check
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Unless it doesn’t.
Uh huh June 23, 2014 at 1:27 pm
I understand that you think that a “free market” that works is non-sense, I think “magic” is the term you use. But, it’s pretty well documented and not as controversial as you might suggest….we just don’t see the actual free market in much anymore(if at all if you count money printing as central planning)…so no one really knows what the fuck it looks like.
So from that perspective, a tribe of Amazons never exposed to technology sure thinks a jumbo jet flying above them is fucking “magical”, understandably.
euwe max June 23, 2014 at 2:22 pm
it’s pretty well documented
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I’m sure they’re on the verge of discovering the Free Market boson… the “dog particle.”
It’s just a matter of time before we discover the elemental forces in matter that contribute to efficient markets… I suspect the “weak force” is connected to the ground plane and multiplied by duplicity and greed.
Santa, are you listening? They’re comparing your marvelous sleigh with crude physical flying machines.
Uh huh June 23, 2014 at 4:55 pm
“Through a glass darkly, it looks like worthless derivatives given AAA ratings, sold to customers at a premium out the front door and shorted out the back like hot potatoes. But in the quickening we’ll see its face without the veil…. whale?”
And the guilty party is? The TBTF’s, all supported by the discount window and saved by taxpayer dollars….
Who’s responsible for giving them the keys to both? The government.
Who’s responsible for creating a tax/investing environment where Joe Sixpack mindlessly dumps a % of pretax money(trying to avoid getting stomped) into the TBTF casino? The government.
Who sanctioned the one agency with the balls to buck the TBTF’s and downrate their garbage? The government.
But Republicans Rejected Obama’s $11 Trillion Medicaid expansion, that we could NOT afford, and you Hate them, for that too.
PS: Which party is the majority in the Senate?…Dumb@$$…
Can’t have it both ways: Unless you’re an immature, and irresponsible Liberal-Tarian, when you’re not playing Liberal.
You do realize this is the state legislature, where republicans control the house, senate, governors mansion, and pretty much everything else, right? Oh, never mind, I see how this works…….Obamacare! Benghazi!
they are not as brave as you might like to believe, lay off the Kool-Aid and buy a clue.
From The Nerve –
“But when Sen. Nikki Setzler, D-Lexington, who was the acting Senate president at the time, initially called for the vote just before 10 p.m., there were 22 “yes” votes for the pay raise to 18 “no” votes, with two senators not voting, The Nerve’s tally showed.
Apparently sensing, however, that they ultimately weren’t going to meet the two-thirds threshold when the voting was formally closed, some senators, including Setzler, quickly switched their votes from “yes” to “no,” with the two senators who didn’t vote initially voting “no” as well in the end.
Besides Setzler, 11 other senators switched their votes from “yes” to “no”: Thomas Alexander, R-Oconee; Karl Allen, D-Greenville; Paul Campbell, R-Berkeley; Creighton Coleman, D-Fairfield; Tom Corbin, R-Greenville; Mike Fair, R-Greenville; Larry Grooms, R-Berkeley; Brad Hutto, D-Orangeburg; Gerald Malloy, D-Darlington; Billy O’Dell, R-Abbeville; and Danny Verdin, R-Laurens.”
In case anyone is interested in comparing SC to other states. (NB – some states are “full time” legislatures. Also, the inclusion of “in-district expenses”, or their equivalent, doesn’t seem to be complete.). http://ballotpedia.org/Comparison_of_state_legislative_salaries
I wouldn’t object to a salary increase. I’m not sure why they chose to raise in-district expenses instead.
Is anybody really surprised? These antics are part and parcel of “business as usual” in SC state government. Will the ignorant and credulous voters hold them responsible? Not a chance.
What do you expect? A pragmatist who won’t take the money? Or a kook who thinks the aliens from another dimension will pay his mortgage?
You have to be suspicious about someone who would take the salary, and do their job while everyone else is partying… and no one would ever notice you working by yourself… not to mention the target growing on your back.
What about the senators who initially voted “yes,” but changed to “no” when they realized the veto wasn’t going to be overriden? They’re in the same boat as those jokers in the house.
Do legislators like John Courson and other locals take a per diem for housing during session? If I am correct, doesn’t Courson live less than three miles from the State House? Does he really need that $4000/month for housing and meals?
Congress and the US Senate is no different. I mean, look at how much all of them make? Over $3000.00 (+) a week, not to mention aaaalllllllll the benefits and perks they get. And they certainly are NOT worth it. $174,000.00 a year for lip, lip, lip, talk, talk, and more talk? And as to these good old boys in the SC House of Representatives? Pffftttt!!! Its all nothing but a country club setting … lots and lots of narcissist who need attention. And what better place to get their supply of it. Now, I am not against a raise. But $12,000 more a year is excessive, to say the least (especially with all the perks that get … the kickbacks … the stuffed envelopes with cash … the campaign donations they use for personal things … … Nawwwww … cut that raise, kick Leatherman and Harrell to the curb while we are at it. Harrell is going to prison … Leatherman might be not too far behind him *winks*
According to ballotpedia.org, the current annual salary of members of the House of Representatives is $10,400 a year during legislative sessions. Did they just vote themselves a 115% raise?
If your rep is NV most of the time, like the ones in our county, vote them out. Problems is .. so few know .. and that’s the power of ignorance that these elected folks have.
To be honest, how will we get people more representative of the state of South Carolina to run for office unless the pay is worth their while? Our state legislature receives one of the smallest salaries in the nation. If we want to get people into office who are truly “average” South Carolinians that do not have bundles of money then we must provide them with just compensation. From January to June these men and women give up their day jobs to act on behalf of the citizens of SC. They face criticism from all angles yet they still frequently work into the late evening hours in attempt to pass various legislation. Believe it or not, they would probably be making much more money if they were to stay at home and run their own businesses instead of coming to Columbia during session. If we want to recruit a small business owner, teacher, or “Joe the Plumber”, who make ends meet by working day in and day out, we must give them enough money so that it’s financially feasible to serve in the Senate or House. I believe their last pay raise was over 10 years ago because they have voted to raise their staff’s pay instead of their own during these times of financial crisis. Point the finger, be mad at whatever politicians piss you off, but if you want the system to change then I believe a pay raise is necessary.
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Is that… chicken fat?
— the games people play?
Sweaty palms… the fat pigs!
… or pee stains ? Was that smuggled out in someone’s undies?
Only two Democrats voted against the pay raise. The Republicans understand that the real money is in converting campaign funds to personal use. In the unlikely event that you get caught, they just return the money like Harrell does.
The other lucrative income comes from representing clients before boards, commissions and judges that they elect.
The final way to supplement income is to pass or block legislation that benefits them, their family or campaign contributor in an insider fashion.
They don’t need a raise. They have plenty of creative sources of income.
Some of them may be working class or middle-income when they arrive, but we don’t see too many poor ones retiring a few terms later, do we?
It’s a good thing libertarians are selfless and altruistic – otherwise the “market forces” wouldn’t be so powerful.
You miss the point that a free market keep self interest in check, I have no idea where you get the notion that libertarians are some paragons of selfless virtue(or claim to be), in fact it’s the very opposite…the only difference being libertarians admit that generally unlike most of the people that look up to gov’t/pols and think they are “selfless”…which is ridiculous.
You miss the point that a free market keep self interest in check
—————-
Unless it doesn’t.
I understand that you think that a “free market” that works is non-sense, I think “magic” is the term you use. But, it’s pretty well documented and not as controversial as you might suggest….we just don’t see the actual free market in much anymore(if at all if you count money printing as central planning)…so no one really knows what the fuck it looks like.
So from that perspective, a tribe of Amazons never exposed to technology sure thinks a jumbo jet flying above them is fucking “magical”, understandably.
it’s pretty well documented
——
I’m sure they’re on the verge of discovering the Free Market boson… the “dog particle.”
It’s just a matter of time before we discover the elemental forces in matter that contribute to efficient markets… I suspect the “weak force” is connected to the ground plane and multiplied by duplicity and greed.
Santa, are you listening? They’re comparing your marvelous sleigh with crude physical flying machines.
“Through a glass darkly, it looks like worthless derivatives given AAA ratings, sold to customers at a premium out the front door and shorted out the back like hot potatoes. But in the quickening we’ll see its face without the veil…. whale?”
And the guilty party is? The TBTF’s, all supported by the discount window and saved by taxpayer dollars….
Who’s responsible for giving them the keys to both? The government.
Who’s responsible for creating a tax/investing environment where Joe Sixpack mindlessly dumps a % of pretax money(trying to avoid getting stomped) into the TBTF casino? The government.
Who sanctioned the one agency with the balls to buck the TBTF’s and downrate their garbage? The government.
The government….the government…..the government.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO2eh6f5Go0
What an innocent.
libertarians are some paragons of selfless virtue(or claim to be), in fact it’s the very opposite
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lol!
It’s good to be king(s).
But Republicans Rejected Obama’s $11 Trillion Medicaid expansion, that we could NOT afford, and you Hate them, for that too.
PS: Which party is the majority in the Senate?…Dumb@$$…
Can’t have it both ways: Unless you’re an immature, and irresponsible Liberal-Tarian, when you’re not playing Liberal.
You do realize this is the state legislature, where republicans control the house, senate, governors mansion, and pretty much everything else, right? Oh, never mind, I see how this works…….Obamacare! Benghazi!
Who (which party) vetoed, and stopped the pay raise: DUMB@$$?????
they are not as brave as you might like to believe, lay off the Kool-Aid and buy a clue.
From The Nerve –
“But when Sen. Nikki Setzler, D-Lexington, who was the acting Senate president at the time, initially called for the vote just before 10 p.m., there were 22 “yes” votes for the pay raise to 18 “no” votes, with two senators not voting, The Nerve’s tally showed.
Apparently sensing, however, that they ultimately weren’t going to meet the two-thirds threshold when the voting was formally closed, some senators, including Setzler, quickly switched their votes from “yes” to “no,” with the two senators who didn’t vote initially voting “no” as well in the end.
Besides Setzler, 11 other senators switched their votes from “yes” to “no”: Thomas Alexander, R-Oconee; Karl Allen, D-Greenville; Paul Campbell, R-Berkeley; Creighton Coleman, D-Fairfield; Tom Corbin, R-Greenville; Mike Fair, R-Greenville; Larry Grooms, R-Berkeley; Brad Hutto, D-Orangeburg; Gerald Malloy, D-Darlington; Billy O’Dell, R-Abbeville; and Danny Verdin, R-Laurens.”
So Haley’s Veto was successful, you IGNORANT F*#k….
BINGO!
You are the only one that figured it out.
This is passé: Much better: reading:
Strippers, pay-offs, indictments, could democrat Mayor Steve Benjamin be in trouble, electoral or criminal?
http://scdigest.blogspot.com/
Hey, Willie, doesn’t GrandTango’s constant linking every day to what is quite obviously his own blog constitute spam?
Boy, those comments are off the chain on that blog of yours…
Do you feel even slightly dirty advertising your site here?
Aiken Rep Bill Taylor (Republican) also voted “No” the first time but switched to “yes” on the 2nd vote.
But he gotta have the “fair tax”!
Ah yes. Taking a walk. Usually performed when the legislature in question is a coward or has been bought and paid for!
One big Fraternity.
” Silly,silly SC House “REPUBLICANS”……..That works for me,didn’t need to read the article.
In case anyone is interested in comparing SC to other states. (NB – some states are “full time” legislatures. Also, the inclusion of “in-district expenses”, or their equivalent, doesn’t seem to be complete.). http://ballotpedia.org/Comparison_of_state_legislative_salaries
I wouldn’t object to a salary increase. I’m not sure why they chose to raise in-district expenses instead.
Salary is reportible as income on tax returns, expenses (per diem, etc.) are not.
Wrong. In-District expense money is treated as regular income for tax purposes.
Is anybody really surprised? These antics are part and parcel of “business as usual” in SC state government. Will the ignorant and credulous voters hold them responsible? Not a chance.
I’m very disappointed in my Rep. Shannon Riley. I do believe the evil empire has gotten to him.
What do you expect? A pragmatist who won’t take the money? Or a kook who thinks the aliens from another dimension will pay his mortgage?
You have to be suspicious about someone who would take the salary, and do their job while everyone else is partying… and no one would ever notice you working by yourself… not to mention the target growing on your back.
I’m just sayin’
Gave the state employees 2% percent raise just to take it away via Haley and the PEBA Board. Time to clean house in the next elections.
What about the senators who initially voted “yes,” but changed to “no” when they realized the veto wasn’t going to be overriden? They’re in the same boat as those jokers in the house.
Do legislators like John Courson and other locals take a per diem for housing during session? If I am correct, doesn’t Courson live less than three miles from the State House? Does he really need that $4000/month for housing and meals?
Congress and the US Senate is no different. I mean, look at how much all of them make? Over $3000.00 (+) a week, not to mention aaaalllllllll the benefits and perks they get. And they certainly are NOT worth it. $174,000.00 a year for lip, lip, lip, talk, talk, and more talk? And as to these good old boys in the SC House of Representatives? Pffftttt!!! Its all nothing but a country club setting … lots and lots of narcissist who need attention. And what better place to get their supply of it. Now, I am not against a raise. But $12,000 more a year is excessive, to say the least (especially with all the perks that get … the kickbacks … the stuffed envelopes with cash … the campaign donations they use for personal things … … Nawwwww … cut that raise, kick Leatherman and Harrell to the curb while we are at it. Harrell is going to prison … Leatherman might be not too far behind him *winks*
According to ballotpedia.org, the current annual salary of members of the House of Representatives is $10,400 a year during legislative sessions. Did they just vote themselves a 115% raise?
Or am I missing something?
If your rep is NV most of the time, like the ones in our county, vote them out. Problems is .. so few know .. and that’s the power of ignorance that these elected folks have.
To be honest, how will we get people more representative of the state of South Carolina to run for office unless the pay is worth their while? Our state legislature receives one of the smallest salaries in the nation. If we want to get people into office who are truly “average” South Carolinians that do not have bundles of money then we must provide them with just compensation. From January to June these men and women give up their day jobs to act on behalf of the citizens of SC. They face criticism from all angles yet they still frequently work into the late evening hours in attempt to pass various legislation. Believe it or not, they would probably be making much more money if they were to stay at home and run their own businesses instead of coming to Columbia during session. If we want to recruit a small business owner, teacher, or “Joe the Plumber”, who make ends meet by working day in and day out, we must give them enough money so that it’s financially feasible to serve in the Senate or House. I believe their last pay raise was over 10 years ago because they have voted to raise their staff’s pay instead of their own during these times of financial crisis. Point the finger, be mad at whatever politicians piss you off, but if you want the system to change then I believe a pay raise is necessary.