KATHLEEN SEBELIUS STEPS DOWN AFTER FIVE ROCKY YEARS …
U.S. President Barack Obama’s top health care official resigned her post this week. Kathleen Sebelius – who oversaw the disastrous rollout of Obama’s socialized medicine law – is leaving the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) after five tumultuous years.
“Hold me accountable for the debacle,” Sebelius said last fall in response to questions about Obamacare’s botched rollout. “I’m responsible.”
Guess she got her wish …
Sylvia Mathews Burwell – one of Obama’s top budget officials – will be nominated to take Sebelius’ place.
The former governor of Kansas, Sebelius was a rising star in the Democratic Party in 2008 and was frequently touted as a possible running mate for Obama.
Now? She’s Obamacare’s latest victim …
Sebelius’ resignation comes as health care costs continue to rise. According to a recent Morgan Stanley survey of insurance brokers, the average premium hike for customers who are renewing their plans is 12 percent in the individual group and 11 percent in the small market group.
These hikes come on top of fourth quarter 2013 increases of nine percent in the individual group and six percent in the small market group.
According to Morgan Stanley analysts, the “increases are largely due to changes under the ACA.”
All of this is precisely the opposite of what Obama promised.
“In an Obama administration, we’ll lower premiums by up to $2,500 for a typical family per year,” then-U.S. Senator Obama said during a June 2008 campaign swing through Virginia. “We won’t do all this twenty years from now, or ten years from now. We’ll do it by the end of my first term as President of the United States.”
Really?
At the end of Obama’s first term premiums for the average family with an employer-provided plan had actually increased by $2,400, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation.
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Suck on it, Folks. Obamacare is a success with over 10,000,000 now insured. Your frothing at the mouth is now covered even as a pre-existing condition.
Dude! Debate the ACA all you like, but you’d best put down that Kool-Aid first or you’ll choke…
Choke…more like drown.
Not a covered anamoly
Yea dumb ass but they did not get to keep their plan as Obama promised.
No one will miss the worthless junker plans that pay out jack.
Non-bullshit plans can be modified slightly by the insurance companies to comply.
“No one will miss the worthless junker plans that pay out jack.”
Is it not obvious that many people do miss their plans that you deem “worthless”? It wasn’t worthless to them, they like having choices even though you don’t.
He didn’t carry any so why should he care, but he loves for everyone to subsidize him. Never willing to help pull the wagon but will be the first to jump in it.
Lets see. 6.5 million had their plans cancelled. The Chavez Jr.regime is telling us 7.5 million have signed up on the exchanges.20-50% have NOT paid or will stop paying after 3 months.In some states 80% of the sign ups are on Medicaid (FREE).Deductibales are so high now you have to take a loan out before you can even use your insurance.
Only reason anybody signed up was threats of fines and JAIL in the future-kinda like the threats Vladinir Obama Putin is making to Ukraine about natural gas.
The people in the middle of cancer treatment that now have to pay more for their drugs, deductibles, and premiums, people with AIDS got screwed as well, when they could afford their previous insurance and it covered their medical needs, and you call them junk? Junk is the high premiums and unaffordable deductibles of obamacare. Do you not care about those people? Or are you willing to throw them under the bus to defend obama?
You are so full of shit it literally oozes from you. When did YOU start caring about anyone with AIDS?
I think you are making that up. Please provide examples that are not debunked GOP ads.
They don’t care about deductibles. They would not pay them anyway. This will only drive premiums higher and higher and, probably, higher deductibles.
How wonderful of you to make that assumption on behalf of millions of people who saw their plans get flushed down the toilet. How the fuck do you know their former plans didn’t meet their needs? Did you talk to them?
How the fuck do you know their former plans did meet their needs? Did you talk to them? All of the people the GOP put up in ads and the Faux News examples have been debunked.
Its sort of like voter id laws. We need them because of fraud, but we can’t find any fraud. So we just assume its out there.
And that’s the rub, you fucking idiot. The people who had those plans apparently liked those plans or were plans they could afford for themselves and/or their families. They suited their needs and/or income. So who the fuck are you to tell them their plans were “junk”? Who are you? It wasn’t your place nor was it the government’s place to tell people that, at least not in a “free” society. I’m sure all those who had their plans cancelled, premiums skyrocket, coverage limited, lost their doctors, etc., sure do appreciate your fucking concern over their lives.
You can’t argue with a moron.
10 million are NOT insured. 7.5 million have chosen a plan, but what percentage of them have PAID for it???
Zackly- and even that heavily inflated number doesn’t address the NET difference in overall insureds due to policy losses (it also absolutely disregards the large premium increases already showing up). It’s all good, though. I was reading through some polling a little while ago- the average American doesn’t even know that the ACA and “Obamacare” are the same thing. I don’t think we’re doomed because of Obamacare, I think we’re doomed because we’ve gone stupid.
Uh-huh. You have gone stupid – way stupid – if you are believing all of these numbers on here. If I start pulling stuff out of my ass on here and put them in ALL CAPS will you believe my crap too?
I’ll believe *anything* you pull out of your ass, even if you say you buy Obama’s numbers hook, line, and sinker!
Oh well, believe whatever you’d like. I’ll believe President Obama’s numbers before I’ll believe Fits’ numbers 100% of the time.
Easy, killa. I never said I bought Will’s numbers (not that I necessarily don’t either)…I was just talking about how fucked up ALL of the numbers are because this beast is so ridiculously complex and screwed up (and that Sebelius got shitcanned versus resigning). My position on the numbers is that *nobody* knows them. Team BHO even said that at the presser the other day – they can’t even tell us how many applicants have actually paid, but they did say that they would know within a few months, maybe. Now that’s a well-run program…
What does “Zackly” mean? Of course you said you bought his numbers – it is right there in black and white for everyone to read. And then when confronted with the fact that you bought his numbers based on nothing more than someone slinging some slop out on an internet blog and using ALL CAPS you try to throw up smokescreens. That WAS too easy, killa.
I know this probably doesn’t matter to you, but I’ll try anyway.
Mike is one of the few people on the “other” side of the political spectrum that treated you decently. With your recent spewing and general shitty treatment of him, you really just proved that on the whole you are just a bitter person with no real desire to have substantive discussion.
You’ve in effect, become the Big T of the progressive side.
Hey Brigid – nice try – sad describes you. If you had any balls you’d come in her under your own posting name but you are obviously too chickenshit!
You’ve officially crossed into Grand Tango delusion land, congrats. Too bad you missed the message, it was to be expected I guess.
It’s okay, Sad/Brigid. Oh I got the message alright – you’re a pitiful case. LOL
In both my personal and professional lives, I try to treat everyone at least halfway decently, right up until I have to smack the ever-lovin’ shit out of them… ;-)
I did not realize you were so fragile and that you cannot take care of yourself and have to rely on posters that come in under assumed names (Brigid/Sad) to take up for you – I’ll remember that going forward and definitely steer clear.
As said the GEICO caveman, “Uhhhh, what?!”
http://youtu.be/M79WDmOSRAU
What, you think I called a few of my chic friends to jump on here because your silly, angry invective somehow rendered me fragile? I was kidding about the whole bubble bath and crying thing, you know. I think they simply noticed that you usually seem kinda angry and resort to pejorative silliness like calling people “shit for brains” rather than debating specific points of fact, but I am cool with it. Rhetorical training is a thing of the past in education these days (for the most part), and I pinky-promise that I have lost not a single minute of sleep or shed a single tear attendant to anything that’s been hurled at me on here, ever. Now *that* would be silly. I’m actually pretty laid back. Hell, I’ve had whole countries trying to kill me and only got pissed off enough to do our thing and come home. It’s all good…
Okay – I’ll play one more time. Brigid is the one who made up a second, unregistered posting name (Sad) to come in to attack me – she is the most hate-filled and vicious poster on this site – go review some of her posts – and she is definitely that pathetic to do something like that. Do you recall “Sad” posting on here previously and why is “Sad” not a registered poster? I see Brigid has thumbed up you on this little spiel – don’t look for one from “Sad” as “Sad” does not exist – but I’m glad you’ve allowed Brigid the satisfaction of knowing her little pathetic charade succeeded – at least with you. I will say that in terms of “silly, angry invective” I’ve certainly been guilty of it – and you might want to even review some of your own posts in that regard. I’m not an angry person at all – many of the things I say in my posts are more tongue-in-cheek than anything else.
It’s all good, baby. I just don’t know I had to do with them popping up…
As said the GEICO caveman, “Uhhhh, what?!”
http://youtu.be/M79WDmOSRAU
What, you think I called a few of my chic friends to jump on here because your silly, angry invective somehow rendered me fragile? I was kidding about the whole bubble bath and crying thing, you know. I think they simply noticed that you usually seem kinda angry and resort to pejorative silliness like calling people “shit for brains” rather than debating specific points of fact, but I am cool with it. Rhetorical training is a thing of the past in education these days (for the most part), and I pinky-promise that I have lost not a single minute of sleep or shed a single tear attendant to anything that’s been hurled at me on here, ever. Now *that* would be silly. I’m actually pretty laid back. Hell, I’ve had whole countries trying to kill me and only got pissed off enough to do our thing and come home. It’s all good…
I have to smack the ever-lovin’ shit out of them… ;-)
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AHA! I knew it…. replace “smack” with “slap” and shit with s#!t, and.. voila! you’re posting as Damned Tango!
Keep those browsers sorted out, bro!
Tango?! Yer dead ta meh!
I knew you were a spook instructor! You’re using the Damned Tango persona to illustrate the principles of psy ops.
The only thing that would be demonstrating would be that I needed to be institutionalized.
I thought teaching *was* institutionalized.
Aaaaah, very true! I, however, get to leave whenever I like (unlike the type of institution to which i was referring). I’m not sure I could do it full-time; I have great respect for those who do, however. It can be extremely rewarding, and it can also make you want to swim laps in brown liquor…
You’ve in effect, become the Big T of the progressive side.
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ooooohhhh no you don’t! That’s *my* title… I’ve earned it! and no lil’ Wayne wanna be is gonna strip me of it without a fight.
I’m sure- it’s always easy to ramble along when you don’t require yourself to make real points. My “Zackly” (which is how all the “cool kids” in my college classes say exactly- that was my homage to Will’s under-30 readers) was to Will’s point that no one (including the White House) can tell us how many of these signups have actually paid. That is just a fact. They admitted themselves that it could be months before *anyone* knows how many actually pay. I simply find that a little odd, that’s all. Either the system is so wacky that there’s no way to tell who’s paid (can you imagine a business operating at that level?) or, they are lying. Either one is a little weird. Deep breaths…
“If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan. Period.”
“If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. Nobody is taking that away from you.”
“There are no death panels.”
“The mandate is not a tax.”
“I will not raise taxes on anyone making less than $250,000.”
Yeah, I can see why you would believe him since he’s been completely honest about this from the get-go. Idiot.
LOL Dandy Bungler strikes again. DEATH PANELS!!!! Is that what Fits meant when he said that Secretary Sebelius was “Obamacare’s latest victim”??? Did the DEATH PANELS get her??? Oh Lord – please help me – I went to my doctor yesterday and he said he could not treat me till I passed muster with the DEATH PANEL – EEEEK!
There are no death panels and Obama did not raise taxes on anyone making less than $250,000.00. He was wrong about the plans, although I would guess that is because he did not think anyone would really want to keep the total crap plans that are not permissible under the ACA when they could probably get a plan in the exchange that was better. In fact, no one who had such a plan has really stepped forward and described what plan they had and how much they were paying for it and what they could buy a bronze plan under the ACA for. All of the people the GOP put up in ads turned out to be bogus.
As for keeping doctors, that is no different from any other insurance policy. If doctors are not in contract with your insurer, you have to pay out of network prices. Two years ago, BCBS could not reach an agreement with my doctor and I had to get another doctor or pay out of network prices.
You are in a rage today, maybe it was me busting your chops with left wing news sites reporting about the high deductibles and premiums of this new junk insurance. I know it must be hard to continue defending the indefensible. You seem to think if it didn’t effect you, it didn’t happen. Well, It is happening, and no amount of denial will stop it.
Interesting timing, I just posted a similar comment.
LOL “Interesting timing” indeed! Is it even remotely possible that “sad” and the delusional Brigid are the same person? LOL You are PITIFUL Brigid!
Nope, yet another thing you got wrong.
LOL Nope – I got it right, Sad/Brigid! And I think Mike is a big enough boy to speak for himself anyway – and I never considered Mike to be from “the other side” either. You’re delusional as usual, Sad/Brigid!
I think you really ought to stick with the “sad” posting name – no, I take that back – use PITIFUL
Sad . . I mean Brigid . . I mean Sad . . how pathetic it must be to have to log-in under a second posting name to try and boost yourself. PATHETIC.
Her Daddy was broke
And her Momma was frigid
The little bitch popped out
And they named her Brigid!
You believed the “president” when he said to all Americans 30 plus times “if you like your plan, you can keep your plan. Period” didn’t you? Talk about going way stupid.
“Though [the people] may acquiesce, they cannot approve what they do not understand.” –Thomas Jefferson: Opinion on Apportionment Bill, 1792. ME 3:211
2,700 pages of law and 21,000 pages of regulations, even if [the people] read all from beginning to end understanding would be elusive.
I am really tired of the number of pages issue. There are many many laws with this many pages, and acts with many more regulations. Intelligent people can in fact read and understand laws that must by their nature be complicated. The tea party maybe not so much. But then they don’t really try. They are just against it because Obama is for it, and they love short sound bites.
I don’t care what you are really tired of, they didn’t read the
2,700 pages before they passed it. Got pass it to know what’s in it,
so said Nancy Pelosi, apparently they weren’t “intelligent” or it was
too “complicated” for them. That’s a hell of a way to run a railroad,
unless you are trying to railroad someone.
“Policy losses” do not necessarily have to go through the exchanges. For instance, you can “lose” your policy and be offered the same policy but added to for ACA compliance.
Since no official numbers have been released, we can only go on studies for previously uninsured now covered. RAND says 36%, UIHPC says 77%. Another says 53%.
we’ve gone stupid.
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our childrern isn’t learning?
No they is not.
Now, now boys – “gone stupid” is in common colloquial usage and is acceptable as a natural manner of speaking between native speakers – google it – that is unless you are so hoity-toity that you do not accept “google” as a verb.
I could have sworn the context was the tea party, and their strupidizing of America… at least that’s what I’m going with.
Heck, you didn’t have to explain it. We, already, accept your stupidity.
I remember with some amusement, hearing similar bursts of insight from grade school from the little sociopaths still forming their world view.
I’m sure they grew older and took up their rightful positions among us…
…and here you are.
http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-79710095/
Estimates say between 80-85%. And not all of them have hit the deadline for their first payment, ESPECIALLY late enrolees.
Do you really think these types will pay premiums? Don’t get in the banking or loan business. Their discipline will not get them to first base.
Two new surveys clearly show that the number of people who lack health
insurance in the United States has dropped — but largely not because
people have enrolled in Obamacare exchanges.
http://news.yahoo.com/number-uninsured-dropping-not-thanks-obamacare-exchanges-133753178.html
That’s weak, Billy
That does not include people who were able to stay on their parents plan until age 26. Many of them would have been uninsured. Prior to the ACA the 23 to 26 year old group was heavily uninsured.
I’m glad you’re on the case Will… with your help, we’ll eventually get to single payer, and show the world how the big boys take care of their own.
How many millions of those signed up are just transferred Medicaid leeches? The real numbers will be how many actually pay into the program. I suspect there are plenty of hood rats that’ll be “fuck that, Obama said it be free”.
Squishy the Racist strikes again! Which “college” did you say you got that engineering degree from? I’m sure they are proud of you.
How many of the ones signed up were getting free medical care at emergency rooms that everyone else (except for you as I figure you do not even have a job and are on the public dole) was paying for???
You got that right!
Suck on it, Folks…
Zat you, BigT/GrandTango?
*asks metaphorically*
Muhammad Saeed al-Sahhaf…is that you?
Michele Bachmann . . . is that you?
SCDumbass…that’s you!
Louie Gohmert . . . is that you?
Not sure how I feel about this one. I’m not a fan of Obamacare as I’ve always stated I prefer a single payer system, but it’s better than the GOP plan of hoping the poor and sick die off as quickly and cheaply as possible.
The roll out was a true clusterf**k and it allowed an opening for the GOP and Fox and Limbaugh and all the other windbags to pummel the president and the dems for months and months instead of focusing on its successes and benefits. I suppose it’s good she waited until the enrollment period ended so as not give up her scalp too soon, but why not finish the job and stay on board?
You really think that this was her decision?! That’s so cute…
I get where you’re coming from. The pressure on her would have been immense but I doubt it was the administration that literally forced her to step down and by this point she’d weathered the GOP storm pretty well.
Perhaps what happened is that somebody in the white house explained to her how it might be better for everyone at this point if she resigned but that nobody was going to force her hand. From there she made a personal decision to step down.
I think you’re closer to it now. I certainly have no personal insight here (BHO doesn’t call me much for advice- OK, never), but that’s not how it works up in that level of the stratosphere. They didn’t want to shitcan her in the middle of the fray, because that smells like defeat. Most folks in the know said all along that as soon as the optics improved juuuuuust enough to dump her, they would do so posthaste. The optics improved a little this week (albeit only because the public is so amazingly ill-informed about this whole issue); when they hit their self-identified, totally arbitrary number that’s not, of course, at all related to the net number of paying insureds OR the net increase/decrease in number of insureds overall, so they dumped her ass. This was no consensus decision or retirement. She got fired, but took one for the team (naturally) to save face on both sides). That’s just how it works. Neither you nor I will ever know for sure, of course, unless you know Sebelius. I do not, so I doubt she’ll be calling me either.
Couple of things. You seem to have a pulse beat on who and who isn’t informed about the ACA. I suggest you look here: http://www.factcheck.org/2013/09/obamacare-myths/ to see what’s what before continuing that line of attack.
Secondly, I think we’re sort of agreeing…although I don’t think she was fired per se. I think they probably said something akin to…”You know, it might not be a bad idea if you stepped down but you can stay if you’d like”. Sort of like giving the prisoner a loaded gun and walking out of the room for a few seconds.
OK. Call it what you like, but without the “you can stay if you like” part and we’re tracking! If she had a choice one would think that she would want to see this thing through, no? Why do the shittiest part, then “quit” and let your successor ride in the parade? That’s just not human nature, and you don’t need BHO’s BlackBerry number to be fairly certain of that. Not gonna argue about it with you, though. We’re close enough for gubmint work…
Why do the shittiest part, then “quit” and let your successor ride in the parade?
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True believer?
And how do you know it is not her decision? ‘Cause Fits says “She’s Obamacare’s latest victim”??? You’re hilarious. Better stick to trolling for grammatical errors to get your jollies.
Please know that I find your histrionics equally amusing. Is this a great country, or what?! If you genuinely believe in your progressive little heart that she decided to quit of her own volition *just* as things look like they may turn around just so Burwell could finish her job and get all of the credit while she goes down as the clown who pooched the rollout, far be it from me to shatter your dreams!
In other words, you do NOT know – yet you’re on here making all sorts of assumptions because Will Folks puts a few things in ALL CAPS and calls her “Obamacare’s latest victim”. Get back to me when you have some factual data to back anything up. I’d rather have a “progressive little heart” than shit for brains.
Uh, I’m pretty certain that I not only didn’t assert that I had factual data, but even explicitly admitted (in some other posts) that ol’ Barry O. doesn’t call me for advice- ever. I ceratinly didn’t come to my opinion because of Will (not that I disagree with him). It’s just my common sense and working knowledge of the political world. This is just how it’s done. I used to be in the politically-appointed world, and I knew that my elected boss would have to hang me out if the situation warranted; nothing personal, that’s just how that world operates. I knew that going in, so no hard feelings (luckily enough for me I didn’t have to get kicked to the curb, but it certainly could have happened). Only a few peeps will have your “factual data,” and they won’t be calling us or making any honest announcements either, because they are Sebelius, Obama, and maybe a handful of senior advisers. She got shitcanned. Relax, it’s no big deal.
By the way…U mad bro? You get really riled up and personally insulting over little stuff. I do have a brain, and feelings, too. How do you know that I am not sitting in a bubble bath, drinking white zin, listening to Yanni, and crying my eyes out? OK, I made the part about having feelings up, but you are an excitable thing.
Don’t drive angry! http://youtu.be/uBpw1sdFu2w
Liberalism is like Communism. Leave it to itself and it will collapse. This is just the beginning.
Conservatives – Trey Gowdy- are now ready to rip their limbs apart. Take no f*#king prisoners. Scorched earth. Eat these America-hating B@$t@RDS alive.
This going to be exilerating to watch. I’m giddy. Will be better than a Lewinsky.
There is more to the resignation than the healthcare roll-out debacle. David Wright (HHS head of ORI) resignation and tell-all threat is one motivation. There are other big stories waiting to come out…from what my colleagues say, this is just the tip of the iceberg.
*TBG is popping corn as he types….*
Oh my gosh no! Your “colleagues” say – this sounds SERIOUS. And not the dreaded “tell-all threat” – this is scaring me to death! Be fun to see how many bozo’s give you a thumbs up!
I voted him up just to cement my spot in your head! ;-)
And what happened to that “messenger” thingy you lectured me about?
As I said…”just to cement my spot in your head.” I am now not only in your head rent-free, but I’m on your sofa up there, eating Doritos and wiping the orange crumb dust on your upholstery! I keed, I keed! Luvyameanit… ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5QVK1tY5Pk
Most excellent choice…
Hope your “colleagues” are more reliable than some of FITS’ sources can be, then. Guess we will see.
Well, did you know that some owls aren’t that wise?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8N2SftkPmQ
It’s called, “rats leaving the ship”.
Better late than never.
Obama really looks bad for keeping her on so long when was obvious she – and Obamacare – are such a disaster.
Sebelibortion(Tiller the Killers best friend in Kansas) is an evil lady,supporting late term abortions in Kansas.She was the perfect,souless shill too sell Obamacare, as in order too pay for it in the next decade, the most vulnerable in our society will have to be eliminated (seniors and the sickest).This wicked abortion mill supporter knows America’s accumulate 98% of their health care costs in the last two years of their lives.Death Panels DO exist!!
Sebelious sees thw writing on the wall for Lerner and some other IRS employees.She is out before the can prosecute her.
How cute…BigT has an imaginary friend.
How cute…mommy lets pee wee lard arse use the computer after he takes a shower this week!
What language do you post in? Mike at the Beach ought to be having a field day . . .
That old hag Sebelius probably never met a colored person until she was in her twenties. I have loved them and they have loved me. God, I long for the old days. You could leave them in charge of your house while you went off on a trip and they wouldn’t think of stealing a thing. It would have been unheard of. Good God, for the old days.
That old hag Sebelius probably never met a colored person until she was in her twenties
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I just love it when the intellectual level reaches the heavens.
Archangel Sandalphon already has some tunes picked out . . .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmNTKmMwMB8
LOL – too funny!
The real damage has yet to come…taxing people who can’t afford insurance is inhuman. I just learned from a vendor of mine, a one women business that does delivery, that the Obamacare subsidies you don’t get until AFTER you have paid upfront for a year.
If that’s the case, this is going to destroy a lot more people as it goes on…not to mention what it’s going to do to what’s left of the healthcare infrastructure….
The fun is just starting.
Btw, if you believe “10 million” have signed up, you are a total rube that deserves to suffer from every government lie that is told.
Remember that REVENGE Obama told us about?……
The D@*n fools that voted for him, did not realize that much of the revenge would be exacted upon them…not the “other guy” that Obama hates, and taught them to hate, too…
I can’t find anything regarding zero subsidies until after you pay for a full year.
Link plz. From what I’ve read, subsidies are applied directly to your cost based on what you will make. If you end up making more, you pay some back. If less, you get a tax credit.
“From what I’ve read, subsidies are applied directly to your cost based on what you will make.”
Just telling you what she told me. I have no reason to doubt her. I thought you were on it? I did I misunderstand?
Or did I
That’s bullshit. You don’t have to pay 1 year upfront. The subsidies are applied at the beginning. Such misinformed bullshit.
Look, even on the ACA website it says you get a “choice”. This women told me that the local tax funded start up in SC(“health choice” I believe) wasn’t applying the subsidies she was supposed to get.
What do you want me to say? I believe her. Maybe it will come out in media this is happening to other people.
I don’t think she has any reason to bullshit me because she really isn’t a political type, she’s just a working person of modest income.
I have a friend that has tried to enroll in Medicaid in his state.Filled out application months ago on federal website.Didn’t hear anything as the federal government did not have a way to transfer the application.He finally got a call that he needed to go to the STATE benefis site in his state and fill out application and open an account.He did that and still has not been contacted about his eligibility and insurance information.They do say he is covered from the time of the application however he can’t go to doctor as he has no proof he has Medicaid.
My guess is millions are in the same boat and the federal government is counting these people as insured when in reality they have NO access to the insurance.
Enrollment is over now too, they are in essence screwed, it’s sad.
I think what he meant is some premiums have gone up so much that what used to be a yearly premium for those insured is now their monthly payment!
No man, she’s just not getting the subsidies and this bullshit company is telling her she’s got to pay up and wait for her money for next year’s taxes.
Interesting.I bet this happening all over.Thanks for the info.
Oh good grief! Once “a rising star” and now “Obamacare’s latest victim” – this entire little ditty from Fits is pure horseshit – with all the little buzzwords guaranteed to titillate the usual yahoos that suck up anything and everything negative about President Obama! So Secretary Sebelius is resigning – big effin deal. Cabinet appointees in every administration resign – it happens more often than not. And all this crap about these huge increases in healthcare premiums is another load of manure. My premium went up this year – just like it has gone up every single year for the last 20 years. And to see the suckers on this site frothing at the mouth over this crapola is pitiful – just pathetic.
Hardly.Sebelielous has apparently been advised by the DOJ/Holder too get out as they can’t defend 5 years of felonious behavior anymore from these clowns.
When they play the ‘race card’, as Holder did today at Al Sharpton’s coming out “I ain’t a RAT, I am a CAT” party,you KNOW the party is SOON too be over!!
Name anyone who has been convicted of a felony in President Obama’s administration. Your entire post reeks of WorldNetDaily. Uh-huh – clowns indeed.
First of all, pResident Obama,in my opinion,only occupies the peoples’ house.Hard too convict anyone in this corrupt administration when the attorney general is apparently morally and ethically bankrupt,much like pResident Obama.
Second of all,Al Sharpton ‘Ain’t no CAT,he is a RAT’. Wait till the MOB figures out who he nailed.
Hell, it won’t take much of a Dick Tracy moment for the mafia thugs to figure that one out! Most of them can read. This is going to be genuinely entertaining (watching him lie and squirm, that is, not get whacked, hopefully).
You two ought to just go ahead and get a room – and a dictionary.
Did…*you* just…advise me…to get…a………..dictionary????????
Wow. I’ll look into that.
Ooh, I forgot to ask…with whom am I to get a room? Will there be strippers there?
Will there be strippers there?
If so…count TBG in!
Brown liquor, strippers, fun political discourse….
What’s with “brown liquor?”
I drink El Patron, gin, and vodka too… is that so wrong?
In certain parts of the old South, “white” liquor is considered girl booze, unless a guy named Cooter made it and sold it to you in a canning jar. Don’t ask me why…
Sounds like an Horry County Saturday night, boys…
“pResident Obama,in my opinion,only occupies the peoples’ house.”
Is that the same as Bush after the election he did not win, but was installed by Republicans on the Supreme Court anyway? Obama won both elections, get over it.
In other words you cannot name one person charged with a felony and you’re just full of shit, huh?
If I was Bufford Pussor, I would arrest Rep.Cummings’ after reading THAT email.Perry Mason and Paul Drake ain’t gonna get him out of THAT one! :-)
The ACA exceeded the sign up goals. She’s going out on a good note and her place in history will be determined by the success of the ACA. I don’t think she has a thing to worry about. The ACA is successful, poll numbers are up and even many republicans who are finally covered love it. Too bad for the GOP.
No preexisting conditions, no lifetime maximums, millions more insured. Boo hoo GOP, you lost.
Sebelius did oversee the crappy start with the website, so no hard feels in watching her go out the door. Obama made a good pick with her replacement.
“No preexisting conditions, no lifetime maximums, millions more insured.”
…and no balanced budgets or free markets either, I’m sure no pricing signals in our new health care system will add stability while increasing quality and reducing cost…on fantasy island.
Our costs are higher than any other country, of course a lot of those other countries have even more govt interference in the market.
I think the ACA will be a net gain. Guess we’ll see.
“Our costs are higher than any other country”
That’s not true. Link please.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/health-costs-how-the-us-compares-with-other-countries/
That link only compares us to OECD countries, not “all” as Smirks put it.
Regardless, there is a fundamental problem with its base rate of % of GDP calcuation:
http://www.cms.gov/Research-Statistics-Data-and-Systems/Statistics-Trends-and-Reports/NationalHealthExpendData/NationalHealthAccountsHistorical.html
“NHEA measures annual U.S. expenditures for health care goods and services, public health activities, government administration, the net cost of health insurance, and investment related to health care.”
You can’t compare apples to oranges, which is what the above figure of 17.2% does. It does this several ways:
First, it does so comparing “mixed” economies to ones run solely by government-specifically when the US private sector makes an “investment related to health care” it’s treated as a factored cost per person, which is total nonsense. That cost is not carried by the person directly using said services, it’s a ridiculous data point. It’s a sunk cost by the corporation itself and may or may not have an impact on the cost per patient. The US has more infrastructure than all those OECD contries, WAY MORE. That factor alone is a major problem.
Let’s not ignore though the general dysfunction of our government with the factors surrounding “public health activities” and “government administration”. We’ve a 330 million person country, which is being compared to the tiny governments of the OECD countires, it’s absurd. If anything, what you linked suggests that we should push more private, not less.
“I think the ACA will be a net gain. Guess we’ll see.”
We don’t have to wait, the premiums are rising faster than ever before:
http://dailycaller.com/2014/04/07/survey-u-s-sees-sharpest-health-insurance-premium-increases-in-years/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottgottlieb/2014/04/07/health-plan-premiums-are-skyrocketing-according-to-new-survey-of-148-insurance-brokers-analysts-blame-obamacare/
I always thought the idea was to get something on the table, and then remove everything that didn’t look like health care, and replace it with something better until universal health care was humming like our other excellent infrastructure and defense.
2,700 pages of law and 21,000 pages of regulations for “No preexisting conditions, no lifetime maximums, millions more insured.” a little over kill wouldn’t you say? And don’t forget if you like your plan you can keep your plan not to mention your doctor, I guess lies don’t bother you, It’s not the GOP that lost it’s America.
The ACA can’t work because z0mg 2,700 PAGES!!!!! 21,000 werdz!!!!!!
Thanks for refuting the entire bill not by its merits or flaws, but by your ability to regurgitate page/word numbers.
Hope this reply doesn’t have too many words, wouldn’t want to cause a buffer overflow in any small brains out there.
That’s right forget the lies not to mention the number of pen strokes and phone calls that Obama has made to Obamacare because it works politically for him.
Follow blindly Smirks, most small brains do.
It’s 38 times now, but who knows since I last saw that number, more could have occurred.
Yes indeed.38 times the law has been delayed or changed.If the Employer Mandate had been allowed to go into affect as scheduled as many as 90 MILLION workers could have lost their insurance plans.
Only winners here are those enrolled on public dole-Medicaid and wait until the taxpayers have to write the insurance companies that BIG check to pay for this.
Obamascare is nothing but a Ponzi scheme to feed the federal government and control our lives.
Reb, I predict a bailout for the insurance industry in the near future.
As I said above I am really tired of the number of pages issue. There are many many laws with this many pages, and acts with many more regulations. Intelligent people can in fact read and understand laws that must by their nature be complicated. The tea party maybe not so much. But then they don’t really try. They are just against it because Obama is for it, and they love short sound bites.
I don’t care what you are really tired of Tom, they didn’t even read the 2,700 pages before they passed it. Got pass it to know what’s in it, so said Nancy Pelosi, apparently they weren’t “intelligent” or it was too “complicated” for them. That’s a hell of a way to run a railroad, unless you are trying to railroad someone.
Got to pass it to know what’s in it
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This old, tired canard is the truth for most legislation. You have to take the marked-up draft to each person.. they are supposed to have read the original draft, and decided on what they like and don’t like… and they “make deals” on each thing they like and dislike… it disappears, and everyone else marks it up.. and bring it back, you look at the changes.. just the changes… and decide if it’s now something you can live with… if so, and everyone else has agreed with the changes they want, it goes up for a vote – to see if there’s anyone left who still disagrees with the final draft – the whole group looks at the final changes.. and if most agree… they vote yes.
Only when most vote yes does the marking up stop.
It’s not some kind of silly process.
Pelosi’s words not mine.
“This old, tired canard is the truth for most legislation.”
There in lies the problem.
Originally I was responding to Smirik’ “No preexisting conditions, no lifetime maximums, millions more insured,”, 23,700 pages is overkill. What about the millions becoming uninsured because of Obamacare, the net gain…ain’t that great.
they didn’t even read the 2,700 pages
23,700 pages is overkill.
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I don’t know what it takes to spell out national health care. I would imagine there are hundreds of pages of boiler plate to describe conflict of interest, indemnity, limitations of lawsuits, oversight, penalties…etc… not to mention the exact language concerning current policies, conversions… the detail to satisfy doubters…
have you seen the Texas “constitution?”
I don’t know either and neither do the Feds. It wouldn’t have taken much of a law or regulation to tell insurance companies they can not refuse insurance because of preexisting conditions and they must eliminate lifetime maximums. The Feds have been telling the auto industry what they must do for a long time but it’s been piece meal, the same thing should have been done to the health insurance industry.
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Ain’t the internet great, you can bull shit without consequence.
Not me, man. Hold my feet to the fire. I burn… I bleed.
I really expected more from her.
Job well done!! Thanks!!
“If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan. Period.”
“If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. Nobody is taking that away from you.”
“There are no death panels.”
“The mandate is not a tax.”
“I will not raise taxes on anyone making less than $250,000.”
Saddam sought uranium from Africa
Sebelius should have been fired immediately after the complete clusterfuck that was the Obummercare “rollout.” These fucking idiots had 4 years to put together the system and look what happened. An incompetent Democrat disaster. It’s one delay after another, one exemption after another and one fuck up after another. Six million plus policies cancelled after our “president” promised that would not happen. And some other idiots like you see here are pleased as donkeys in shit handing over their healthcare – and mine – to these same bunch of clowns for them to run.
Yet she was able to resign after enrollment exceeded expectations – thanks for your service Secretary Sebelius!
Exceeded expectations…you’re stupid enough to believe that bullshit, aren’t you? Then again, their expecations all along were that millions would lose their current coverage (despite all their lies to the contrary) so you may, for once, be right. Yes, speaking on behalf of the millions who lost their plans….thanks for your service Secretary Sebelius!
It’s okay – there’s treatment for your condition – Obama Derangement Syndrome will go away when he leaves office (hopefully). And your posts have certainly reached a fever pitch with all the profanity – and no surprise that the Queen of Obama Hatred, Brigid/Sad, rushes to give you thumbs-ups. You two make a precious couple – although Brigid usually buddies up with Grand Tango. A Menage a trois maybe?
Oh, and did you see her going away speech SCDumbass? Even that was a clusterfuck. “There’s a page missing” or some such silly shit. You just have to shake your head at the idiocrats running this country into the ground. Totally encapsulating of the abject incompetence which got her fired and illustrates the last 5 years of this entire incompetent regime.
Don’t know were some folks are getting the numbers as they have never been revealed and probably never will be. Sounds like a scam similar to the phony T-Bone baseball park.
All that bitch needs is a broomstick. Coyote ugly!