“JUSTICE” DEPARTMENT URGED TO MOVE INVESTIGATION FORWARD
The U.S. House of Representatives wants Barack Obama’s “Justice” Department to pursue criminal charges against Lois Lerner, the former Internal Revenue Service (IRS) staffer at the heart of the agency’s discrimination against limited government groups.
By a 23-14 vote, the House Ways and Means Committee sent Lerner’s name to U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder this week along with a request that he pursue the evidence against her.
Holder’s agency is already investigating the IRS, but if you believe there will ever be a legitimate exposure of its shameful practices – your definition of the word “Justice” differs from Obama.
Lerner infamously pleaded the Fifth Amendment last year in response to questions about her role in the scandal.
“She has not committed any crime or made any misrepresentation but under the circumstances she has no choice but to take this course,” Lerner’s attorney said at the time.
Mmmm-hmmm.
House members disagree. They believe Lerner not only participated in illegal discrimination, but obstructed justice in an effort to evade accountability.
In fact they believe she is still obstructing justice today …
Lerner’s attorney is doubling down on her innocence.
“This is just another attempt by Republicans to vilify Ms. Lerner for political gain,” he said in a statement. “Ms. Lerner has done nothing wrong. She did not violate any law or regulation. She did not ?mislead Congress. She did not interfere with the rights of any organization to a tax exemption.”
Wow … done nothing wrong?
That’s a pretty bold statement to make in light of the calculated way Lerner revealed the IRS “irregularities” – and then sought to minimize them amid the initial political firestorm last spring.
“Of all the scandals hanging over the Obama administration, its use of the IRS to silence political opposition in advance of the 2012 election – and the subsequent coverup of the scandal – is by far the most egregious,” we wrote earlier this year. “That’s why Obama is doing his best to sweep it under the rug.”
He cannot be allowed to do that …
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You have no idea what it’s like to be an IRS target. They have all the money in world and all the political power they could ever need behind them. I know. In South Carolina.
shades of Al Capone.
LOL . . I love you euwe max – please marry me!!
My wife wouldn’t like that… maybe we could grow old in different places instead.
Ooops – my bad. My apologies to The Missus.
She cool. :)
Oh for Christ’s sake.
Oh lighten up for Christ’s sake.
Feinstein (Joker) gets all emotional about 3 terrorists getting tortured to save American lives YET Feinstein (Joker) and Boxer (Riddler) have an orgasm when 1,000,000 children are aborted a year!
Definition of modern day Democrat Party!
Another example of meaningless posturing by our feckless Congress and the continuation of the Anti-Obama jihad.
‘jihad’? Hey pal we ain’t talking bout Obamascare!
“Among those tools is the House’s “inherent contempt” authority under the Constitution, which was initially exercised in 1795 during the First Congress and on multiple occasions thereafter. Lerner could be held until January 2015 when a new Congress is seated, which could issue another subpoena and throw her in the clink again if she still balks at testifying.” (Washington Examiner)
Might as well put Holder in the ‘clink’ as well.
BRAVO to Congress. This is what the Country is BEGGING you to do..
And, I LMAO hearing Louie Gohmert slapping the livin’ S#!* out of that pious elitist Holder. Holder ain’t used to someone talking to him like the arrogant @$$hole he is..
Another good reason to clean house in the Senate, in Nov. then finish the job w/ the White House in 2016…
The Rot we’ll find left by Obama will send a stench across the nation…There are some corrupt, American-hating
Damn.I got a son that has been brainwashed at one of the academic slums called a college-apparently spends his time boozin and runnin around promoting the policies of racist losers like Clyburn,Cummings and Sharpton.
Loves Planned Parenthood and abortion on demand. From reading his hateful shit on social media he apparently lives to promote radical,alternative lifestyles while mocking people of the Christian faith.How does one create a son with apparently no soul or moral values?
Makes me weep. :-(
Grand Tango, the ‘stench’ is real!
We all did stupid $#!* when we were young. Then we grew up.
A lot of Obama voters in the 18-34 range, thinking they had a messiah sent to them from Kenya…are broke, busted and disgusted.
And now they are going to get hit w/ an exorbitant forced insurance tax bill, just for being alive. An insurance payment, or fine, to finance old people, or those who have neglected to care for themselves, or their children…
Liberalism collapses on itself. You cannot pay food stamps and welfare forever. The payers dry up…and there is not a infinite tree of money that the government can keep harvesting, to feed its idiots and deadbeats, so the corrupt Obamas and the dishonest Pelosis and Reids can live like Kings and Queens.
GT, let’s also not forget that ALL insurance markets are closed for the next seven months, mandated by the unaffordable care act. CLOSED. When people figure that out, they are going to hit the ceiling. When progressive regressivists figure out their rubbish insurance has a 6500 deductible and only pays 60% after that, they’ll really be pissed.
Good point BB. Something more absurd comes out every day, about this gargantuan screw-up, called Obamacare…
It’s like me getting elected by telling you I can turn lead into gold…the promise stage is euphoric. The wine flows and fattens the investors tab…but sooner or later, the dumb@$$#$ who took me on my word to give them everything, for nothing (or
less)….are going to demand their precious metal…
The check’s in the mail, or “I’ll gladly repay you on Tuesday” stops working…..and then you see the suave, thin and good-looking alchemists in the White House as a gaunt and bumbling skeleton….that he always was to us who knew better….
We MUST MUST MUST offer a 100% alternative to this Liar and charlatan…so the people can see the success that Conservatives will deliver….
You are delusional. My insurance does not have a “6500 deductible” – it has the same deductible that it has always had. And my insurance pays 100% after the deductible is met and has EXPANDED coverage mandated by the ACA. But don’t let any of these FACTS get in the way of your usual deluded rants on here . . .
A breakdown of the high deductible and co-pays
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/09/us/on-health-exchanges-premiums-may-be-low-but-other-costs-can-be-high.html
My plan does NOT have a deductible of $12,000.00 for a husband and wife both age 35 or even 45 or even 55 – but please stay up all night and copy and paste all this stuff. You are NUTS.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obamacare-deductibles-deliver-hefty-sticker-shock/
My plan does not have a deductible of $12,700.00 for family of even 10 – but keep copying and pasting – do it all night.
Finally, there is the enormous problem of deductibles and co-pays. Depending on the level of coverage selected and the amount of subsidy a family is receiving, the out-of-pocket expenses can vary significantly. Still, many people are going to find that they have a deductible as high as $6,000 and are expected to pay 40 percent of the cost of their treatment as a co-pay. According to Scott Gottlieb, families qualifying for the largest subsidies face limits that can still be as high as $4,500 in total out-of-pocket spending for a family. If you did not previously have insurance because you could not afford it, why would policy makers think that you can now suddenly come up with several thousand dollars to cover such large deductibles and co-pays?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffreydorfman/2014/04/05/get-ready-for-the-real-obamacare-disasters-as-people-start-to-use-it/
My deductible is NOT $6,000.00 – keep copying and pasting.
If you buy a bronze plan– the cheapest available for anyone 30 and older — you’ll have a $3,250 deductible for individual coverage; it’s $6,500 for family coverage. Once you spend that much on medical care, including medication, you’ll still have to pay 40 percent of the cost for many services, including visits to specialists, outpatient hospital services,emergency room visits and lab work.
You’ll also have to pay 40 percent of the cost of non-generic drugs. But each customer’s out-of-pocket costs will be capped at $6,250, or $12,500 for a family plan.
Silver plans have similar deductibles to the bronze ones — $3,000 for medical services, plus $400 for prescription drugs; both of those figures are doubled for family plans.
But the deductible applies to a narrower range of services, including inpatient hospitalization, outpatient procedures, and non-generic drugs. You’d pay fixed copays for office visits ($30 to see a primary care doctor for an injury or illness, $45 for a specialist), lab work and urgent or emergency care.
As with the bronze plan, your out-of-pocket costs would be capped at $6,250 for an individual or $12,500 for family coverage.
http://ctmirror.org/obamacare-premiums-are-what-about-deductibles-and-copays/
You can copy and past stuff all night on here – tell me why my premiums and my benefits are NOTHING like ANYTHING that you’ve posted??
Can you read, you solipsistic idiot? Does the world revolve around you? Your plan may be different, I could care less, but don’t pretend others aren’t getting high premiums and high deductibles. Do you really believe that all plans are the same, or that because YOU have a certain plan, millions of others do also? Maybe you should call the NY Times reporters and ask them why they saw fit to put in their paper descriptions of plans that are not your exact plan, I’m sure they’d love to hear from you.
“If the 33-year-old single father wants the same level of coverage next year as what he has now with the same insurer and the same network of doctors and hospitals, his monthly premium of $233 will more than double. If he wants to keep his monthly payments in check, the Carpentersville resident is looking at an annual deductible for himself and his 7-year-old daughter of $12,700, a more than threefold increase from $3,500 today.”
“But a [Chicago] Tribune analysis shows that 21 of the 22 lowest-priced plans offered on the Illinois health insurance exchange for Cook County have annual deductibles of more than $4,000 for an individual and $8,000 for family coverage.”
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-10-13/business/ct-biz-1013-obamacare-deductibles-20131013_1_health-care-overhaul-health-insurance-health-coverage
My plan does NOT have a deductible of $4,000.00 dollars for an individual – it is the same $1,500.00 that it has been for the past 5 years – please keep copying and pasting Looney Tunes!
A $5000 Deductible Is Not “Affordable”. Three PCPs in Your County Is Not “Care”
“I am talking about the lower middle income workers who make just enough to qualify for a federal subsidy but who live from paycheck to paycheck without an extra $100 to $200 a month to pitch in to supplement the federal government’s portion. I am talking about those folks who can afford only one “Affordable Care Act” option, the one they call HMO.”
“The second problem with HMO–the huge deductible. I have heard figures that range from $5000 to $12000 a year. I have heard the $5000 more often so I suspect that is the single member deductible and the $12000 is the family deductible. Correct me if I am wrong, but was not that one of the things that the ACA was supposed to fix?”
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/04/07/1290204/-A-5000-Deductible-Is-Not-Affordable-Three-PCPs-in-Your-County-Is-Not-Care#
My plan does NOT have any deductible anywhere near what is posted here. And I do not believe anyone who has “heard figures” and then post them as fact – please stay up all night copying and pasting! LOL
And ALL insurance markets are not CLOSED for the next seven months – you can type the entire sentence in ALL CAPS and it still will not make it true. There are numerous extensions and numerous special enrollments that go through the end of 2014 for millions of persons with “hardships”. Did you get that one from WorldNetDaily?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/federal_government/health-insurance-isnt-a-year-round-thing-anymore/2014/04/04/4e4f30a4-bbce-11e3-80de-2ff8801f27af_story.html
Millions of people will be able to buy insurance through the end of this year. Group Health Plans are being sold year round. Please keep copying and pasting to your heart’s content – please stay up all night!
You and GT make a precious couple! “Heartwarming” comes to mind . . .
Thanks, man! When I was young I was talked into the homosexual lifestyle for three years… so I know where you’re coming from.
GrandTango, my s/n has been hijacked.The “real” rebellozit will be easy too identify.
They do that to me, too….It’s actually a compliment…it means you have kicked their @$$ so thoroughly, rhetorically, they have no recourse, except to try to imitate you. The highest form of flattery.
Fuck you, Dad…you hypocrite, bigoted, Christian(?) bastard.
Son, are you watching Rev.Jerimiah Wright sermons again on Youtube?Now get out of bed,brush your teeth and try and make that “Obama Youth 101” class at noon.:-)
Thanks, Pops…we’re studing how gay people enjoy sex with one another. You know I don’t want to miss that shit.
Lois Lerner?A lying,smug and corrupt government official.Why does the Democratic/Socialist Party always pick ugly women too promote their un-American, public policy agenda?
As opposed to unfuckable Republican men?
Meanwhile, Syria used chemical weapons on their own people and have ignored Jean-Claude Kerrier’s negotiated deadline to destroy them. Russia invaded Crimea in February and Obama sends one US Destroyer into the Black Sea to arrive no later than this Thursday. And he/she Michelle is in China for 22 days for a much needed sex reassignment surgery update? With no press and a babysitter for he/she’s surrogate mother children? And while this author is here, Webster Hubbell’s baby-momma is running for President despite her signature State Department policies of missing billions of dollars and four dead Americans in Benghazi. And will DOJ’s Holder faithfully execute the law asks Rep Gowdy (R-SC).
Obama to prosecute Lois Lerner? Right. He was the one who ordered her and her agency to discriminate against conservative groups to begin with. Of course she’s not going to talk. Nixon got run out of town for a helluva lot less. Obama? You kidding me? He just gets another round of golf, more fawning press coverage for all his Obamascare lies, Moochelle and kids get a nice taxpayer-funded vacation to China and he can go on some show with ferns.
And here you are again babbling about something of which you know nothing – please provide any proof that President Obama ordered Lois Lerner to “discriminate against conservative groups” . (Waiting . . . . ) You are actually stupider than I thought you were – if that is even possible.
The President said we’re gonna punish our enemies.
And he said that in what context? (And I would imagine most Presidents might have made such a statement) When and where did he instruct Lois Lerner to “discriminate against conservative groups”?
I don’t think he instructed Lerner to do anything but have you ever heard of commander’s intent? I place this President right along the side of Nixon.
Watch Fox much?
I don’t need Fox, CNN or any other news organization to come to my own conclusions. All that needs to be done is listen to what the President has to say and observe what his administration does. I guess if I made it through the Nixon era I’ll make it through the Obama era.
What do you watch?
I watch all kinds of stuff – Animal Planet, Bravo, PBS, The History Channel, – and yes, I watch MSNBC (EEEK!). What has President Obama done that would even remotely compare to President Nixon?
If you choose not to see the compressions what ever I say will not matter. It’s going to be a nice day today and I’m headed to the golf course, maybe you should get out and enjoy it also.
Have a nice day.
Yes – I think we are on opposite sides of a high fence – but no worries. I wish I could enjoy it but I am off to work. I am not much of a golfer so don’t know any smart “golf lingo” to throw into the conversation – hope you score low? (Isn’t that the object of golf? See how out of it I am on that subject!) You have a nice day too – talk at you later.
Hitler YES, Nixon NO ?
Same strategy used by the mob, they can never pin a mob hit on the top guy, because he doesn’t tell them anything, he doesn’t have to, they have lackeys for that, to keep the head of the mob protected from prosecution.
“You are actually stupider than I thought”
Another gem by the two time grammar champion.
LOL – if that is the best you have then you are even STUPIDER than the other bozo. I ain’t practicing no Royal English on here no way. (Hope you blow a gasket!) LOL
It’s important to use the word stupid correctly when calling others stupid, lest you send the wrong message.
I wasn’t calling anyone stupid – I was calling him stupider. (LOL) I’ll bet you are a barrel of laughs to be around – do you fancy yourself Miss Manners as well?
You don’t have to be overly smart to be hot-tempered and reactionary…
And of course you’re right, Mike – as always. The overly smart folks are the ones that spend their waking hours trolling internet blogs proving how overly smart they are (to themselves) by pouncing on any words or even colloquialisms that they deem suspect as if anyone else really gives a shit. Surfs up, Mike.
How did you know I surf? That’s creepy…
Don’t go gettin’ all hot…it’s just the messenger thing. Even if the Queen’s English isn’t one’s thing, at the very least one should be careful when calling someone stupid to do it correctly. That’s all. Like it or not, we are all judged by our dress, manner, and speech.
Honey, I stay hot! And thank the good lord that you cannot see how I dress!
I don’t know…that could be a good thing (I mean, strictly from an inappropriate objectification of women angle)…
Objectify away – at my age I take anything I can get.
And for the record, the spellchecker or error-flagger or whatever you call it of Disqus does recognize “stupider” as a word . . .
I hear you on the age thing! As for citing Discus’ spell checker…I don’t want to go there. Next thing you know we’re all using Wikipedia as our source material… ;-)
Hmmm…imagine this….Lois Lerner is now being held in contempt because of emails traced back to Rep Elijah Cummings (DEMOCRAT) who…got his marching order from…well, you guessed it. The White House. Then again, YOU probably didn’t guess it. You’re still just as big of an idiot and hopelessly naive as I’ve known you to be. Here’s a clue, cause you need one – this “administration” is the most crooked bunch of criminals and thugs in the history of this republic.
Hmmm . . . imagine this . . . The Republican controlled House Oversight and Government Reform committee headed by greasy and sleazy Darrel Issa with sock puppet Trey Gowdy tagging along voted to hold Lerner in contempt – all of the Republicans voted for and all of the Democrats voted against – she is not “being held in contempt” – this one committee has voted that she be held in contempt – and this is the first time since the McCarthy era that a congressional committee has voted to hold someone in contempt for asserting their Fifth Amendment Rights – the full house has to vote to hold someone in contempt for them to be held in contempt – but don’t let these FACTS get in the way of your usual babbling and bungling on here. Prove me wrong with what I have corrected for you if I am such an idiot, dumbass.
Awesome…since you can’t play the race card here, it’s time to scream “McCarthy!” You dipshit liberals are all alike. When caught in your typical unethical and illegal behavior, start the name calling and obfuscation. Here are some FACTS: the committee has uncovered uncontrovertible evidence that Lerner was directly involved in targeting conservative groups and communicating – illegally – with Rep Elijah Cummings (DEMOCRAT) about said groups and said targeting. I’m not sure if you’re aware of this (as this may be more than your brain can handle), but using the power of the IRS against private citizens for political gain is sort of a no-no. At least to those obey laws (unlike this bunch). Lerner was then held in contempt because she made statements pertinent to this investigation prior to the hearings but, lo and behold, once it became incumbent upon her to testify during the hearings, only then did she plead the fifth. So now that I have proven you wrong – AGAIN – I expect that since you are an ethical and law abiding liberal, you will condemn the actions and lawlessness of this WH and their minions. No?
Oh and here’s a clue, cause you need one – you won’t find anything factual or true over at WorldNetDaily!
Keep in mind, these are the kinds of petty doucehbags still continuing in this nonsense:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsv6fmXu4gQ
Why does Issa need to pull shit like this if it is a true scandal with a smoking gun? Why do Republicans continue to ignore the fact that Issa requested information solely on conservative groups in order to gin up a fake controversy? Why do Republicans continue to pretend that the IRS never targeted liberal groups when it clearly did?
Why does anyone act surprised that when a party that is in a full-on witch hunt questions someone in a threateningly aggressive manner, that person is told to plead the fifth by their legal council to avoid getting railroaded by a bunch of crazed old fucks with a political axe to grind?
I really hope this kind of shit turns out to be the death throes of a dying party that went off the deep end trying to save itself.
Jesus, if the writing wasn’t on the wall already, the real reason Republicans hate this is because they LOVE money in politics, they LOVE being bought. It’s why they love the Citizens United decision, why they love the McCutcheon decision. The IRS clearly needs to be as considerate as SCOTUS is to legalized bribery and just completely ignore 501(c)4s entirely.
Hey Smirks.You show yourself to be a more uninformed dumbass than the days when you supported Elizabeth Colbert Busch and predicted victory over Sanford.What a stooge!
Not suprised you liberals/socialists don’t believe in the ‘rule of law’.
The IRS NEVER targeted ‘liberal groups’.That fact was sent to the DOJ today.Lerner’s emails will convict her.
As far as creating ‘fake controversy’ ,you must be thinking of your Christ Hating soulmate,Buz.Waiting on Buz to blame the MABCC for Lois Lerner’s crimes at the IRS and David Wren at TSN to explain it all. :-)
“Why does anyone act surprised that when a party that is in a full-on
witch hunt questions someone in a threateningly aggressive manner, that
person is told to plead the fifth by their legal council to avoid
getting railroaded by a bunch of crazed old fucks with a political axe
to grind?”
Yes, like the Democrats did Scooter Libby, convicted of not remembering correctly, who’s persecution was pushed by Democrats. Yes, Democrats had their fun with him and having used that tool themselves will try to avoid falling into the same trap he did. Makes one wonder about all the other unconstitutional crap Mr. 0bama has been doing. Makes one wonder about all the unconstitutional crap Mr. Holder has been doing. That is what scares me the most about the garbage the Democrats are pulling, when the GOP gets back on top, and they will, they MAY be too appreciative of the size of the playing field the Democrats have created.
Don’t leave out that Elijah Cummings sent an email requesting the IRS go after True the Vote, that email has now come to light, and it is no wonder that Cummings has shown his ass in these hearings every chance he gets. If they get too close to the truth, he’ll be revealed as complicit.
You tell ’em girl! You’d think that boy (Representative Cummings) would know his place at his age!
no such thing as rule of law…Lois knows she has nothing to worry about….she probably will get taxpayer- funded pay raise and a golden parachute, to boot!
Let’s see,…ad nausium covrage about inconviencing drivers over a bridge lane closure and no concern or coverage about the IRS run rampant. I wonder which of these two investigations is the biggest and which will conclude with answers?
Odder still is the fact that Trey Gowdy is leading the charge on making the administration obey the freaking law in the House, and has become a national figure in a short period of time, yet FITS never mentions him, it’s like he doesn’t exist, even when there are fresh news items about him.
LOL Trey Gowdy will never, ever distinguish himself in any way – the “national figure” that he has made for himself is being a Darrel Issa hanger-on – and Issa is about as greasy and sleazy as they come.
You’re right sbout Issa. Spoiled rich guy on a personal jihad. But Trey is not and is not viewed as Darrel’s lapdog. Trey’s a smart prosecuter who is clearly trying to get answers no matter where they lead. He is “distinquishing himself” quite separtately and responsibly from the Chairman. He is viewed by his colleagues as the top reponsible prosecuter in either house. He has a clarity of logic coupled with an ability to communicate to all levels of legal understanding. Respected by both sides of the aisle, even by Elijah.
this is no democracy when Karl Rove and Koch bros. cannot operate in utter secrecy and tax exemption. No taxation, only secret representation!
These guys could take a dump on the White House lawn
and you’d defend them. How do you explain the drop in press freedom
rankings, the prosecution of whistle blowers, esp as it was the year of
the whistle blower under Bush, they were celebrated and put on the cover
of magazines, this administration persecutes and prosecutes them. The
seizure of the AP’s phone records, the use of IRS to intimidate
political activity only on the conservative side while they fast track
every liberal group to the front of the line. Where are the financial
fat cats that were perp walked under Bush, has there been a single
prosecution of anyone in the financial industry by the DoJ? NO! Obama is a tool
of Wall Street, and yet you keep defending him. When the constitutional duty of congressional oversight is impeded by refusing to comply with legally mandated FOIA requests, you get held in contempt, as Holder was in 2012. You piss yourselves over the Koch bros. and turn a blind eye to Soros, whose meddling in US politics makes the Koch’s look like chump change. I hope every progressive stays the hell out of the Metropolitan Museum of Art in NY, since the Koch’s gave millions to that museum, and they better not use any of the hospitals they supported with their money.
I hate when Liberals try and twist the rules, and then let people off the hook. Like when they fired a whole bunch of US Attorneys back in 2005 and then tried to hide behind some lacky in the White House, and descriminated against people in their job interviews to join the Justice Department. The Libs are always doing this stuff. And none of those Libs went to jail. And then they had that Hispanic Attorney General – pandering – and then forced him to take the blame and resign. Golly – those Libs have no integrity at all. How about when they were funneling weapons to Iran back in the 80s. And outing the CIA operative in 2004. Those Libs should have been shot for that one. They’re just plain liars and cheats.