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Ron Paul: U.S. “Democracy Promotion” Is Destroying Democracy

COSTLY AMERICAN MEDDLING IN THE UKRAINE IS NOT PROMOTING FREEDOM By Ron Paul || It was almost ten yeYou must Subscribe or log in to read the rest of this content.

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I'm a logical idiot March 24, 2014 at 8:55 am

“I’ve abandoned free market principles to save the free market system” – George W. Bush

So, as you can see, we must logically also abandon democracy to save democratic system.

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euwe max March 25, 2014 at 3:33 pm

I blame Bush.

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coolhandluke March 24, 2014 at 8:58 am

K. All you ultra-liberals/liberals can’t wait to read your posts giving old Ron hell and tell him how wrong he is.

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euwe max March 24, 2014 at 6:25 pm

Ron isn’t wrong headed. He’s just wrong.

Just because he’s against war, intervention and nation building doesn’t make his reasons for it right.

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JC March 25, 2014 at 12:34 pm

Ron Paul’s reasons for opposing war, intervention and nation building as are as moral and genuine as they come. The non-interventionist foreign policy for which Paul advocates is a direct extension of John Stuart Mill’s non-aggression principle. The concept of preemptive war is fundamentally at odds with the continuation of a constitutional republic, as the government and the establishment media can always scare stupid Americans into thinking any tin pot dictator will bomb us if we don’t invade them. And humanitarian interventions, often the favorite of neoconservatives disguised as liberal internationalists, are merely pretexts for state violence, because assuming that the U.S. military can fix a civil conflict of a sovereign nation-state half a world away, simply by sending in troops, dropping bombs or feeding one side money and weapons, is the folly of arrogance. Our meddling in Ukraine has backfired, just as it did in Iran in the 1970’s, Lebanon in the 1980’s, Iraq in the 1980’s and 1990’s and Afghanistan since we supported them against the Soviets in the 1970’s and 1980’s. You are wrong for continuing to believe that the U.S. has both the moral imperative and economic ability to police the world and remake it in our own image.

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euwe max March 25, 2014 at 3:33 pm

Ron Paul’s reasons for opposing war, intervention and nation building as are as moral and genuine as they come.
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He doesn’t believe in foreign aid… do nothing that doesn’t help your own family. That’s moral – take care of blood first – sure it is. Not Christian, but moral. The point is, don’t let anyone do anything for you, and don’t ask for help. And fuck em if they can’t take a joke, because this isn’t a charitable organization.

War isn’t what bothers him – it’s the cost.

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JC March 26, 2014 at 10:32 am

Foreign aid is more often than not bribe money from our government to support policies that are otherwise contrary to the national interests of the receiver state. We sent foreign aid to Egypt for three decades until Mubarak was ousted, and most of that money served as payment in exchange for their recognition of Israel. We gave foreign aid to Saddam in the 1980’s to assist him in invading Iran on two separate occasions, which resulted in the murder of almost 1 million Iranians. We give billions every year to Israel and shoestring that “aid” to the purchase of weapons from American defense contractors, which essentially then becomes a taxpayer subsidy to the military industrial complex. We have given billions to the Ukraine over the past decade to ensure a pro-western government remained in Kiev, even if meant supporting right-wing nationalists whose views were similar to those of Neo-Nazis. The idea that foreign aid actually goes to those who need it is laughable. And just because our government doesn’t give countries aid in the form of taxpayer dollars does not prevent you or I from voluntarily donating money to the tens of thousands of worldwide NGO’s who actually have a record of assisting those in need. You, like most in this country, seem to take the government at its word when it comes to foreign aid. They are lying to you.

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euwe max March 26, 2014 at 11:49 am

That’s a lot of words to say the same thing.

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coolhandluke March 24, 2014 at 9:05 am

I forgot most liberals do not work, so the overwhelming majority of posters on FITS are probably still asleep or in line for a freebie somewhere. Will check back in to read comments later. Paul

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Smirks March 24, 2014 at 9:17 am

You’re trying too hard.

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Street Smarts March 24, 2014 at 9:48 am

Ghetto’s are almost always safe between 6am and noon.

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euwe max March 24, 2014 at 2:19 pm

I forgot most liberals do not work

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I believe you. Did you know Condi Rice forgot that Saddam Hussein *wasn’t* seeking uranium from Africa? And that Reagan *forgot* about trading arms for hostages?

Forgetting that most liberals do not work is on a much lower plane, I’m sure.

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idiotwind March 24, 2014 at 2:05 pm

still, ukraine is probably better off with yanukovych gone and maybe even better losing crimea and its huge population of soviet malcontents. yanukovych was down to stealing the copper wiring from the palace. his exit might have been urgent. and pointing to one episode in one country is a weak case for dumping on the promotion of democracy. we cannot actually control events. you have to place multiple bets.

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euwe max March 24, 2014 at 2:21 pm

Interfering with Russia and Crimea is protected by the Constitution! It’s in there somewhere about inviting superpowers to intervene in our own civil wars.

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