John McCain Is “McWrong”

Just goes to show: If you tell a F*#king idiot, that his urine is Kool-aid…that Stupid Some Beech will drink it, and tell you how good it is…

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so…. how good is it?

If you’re accusing me of drinking it,

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How could you know?

and jails are full of innocent people.

What do you expect him to say, “I just decided to blow people up, so there.”?

Next you’ll be taking foreign policy cues from Assad or Ahmadinejad.

Mistakes, not lies. Big difference. Forgive me if I’m a little sensitive, but I was part of some of the mistakes. Saddam was telling even his inner circle that he was getting ready to use his “enormous stockpile” of WMD. We did a really good job of tapping into those coms and turning key human intel; not so good on figuring out that the douche (and his primary accomplice “Chemical Ali”) was even lying to his own commanders and moving old, barely toxic tankers around. I know the “Bush is a murderer” and “Lies” stuff sells really well on the Bill Maher / Cindy Sheehan far-left, but the truth is actually a lot more mundane. Besides, I’ll tell you like I tell the 9/11 Truthers, JFK Grassy-Knollers, and the no-Moon shot people: the federal gov’t I worked for simply wasn’t (and isn’t) capable of keeping a secret that big for more than a few months. Ask Snowden. Sorry, I had to chime in. That shit wears me out sometimes. Namaste…

The Niger/Italian thing does nothing to show Bush lied.* The Italian document was forged by an Italian, unless you think the NYT is lying about that to protect the Bush administration. I guess you could claim the paper is being misled, but that would violate the liberal standard on Iraq where anything that is incorrect is tantamount to a lie.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/04/international/europe/04italy.html?_r=0

Especially when you make the same leap in logic on curveball. Unless you can show Powell knew that the information from curveball was false at the time and then repeated it, it simply is not a lie. A shoddy way to make a case for war, I’ll grant you. But it is not a lie.

* What Bush actually said about yellow cake and Niger was:”The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.” The British did share with the US a report that made that assertion, without any reliance on forged Italian documents (see link below). I have no problem if you want to criticize Bush for relying on the intelligence of others, as the qualification “the British government” implies Bush was not confident making that statement based upon our own intel. But quit pretending it is a lie.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2006/07/case_closed.html

The Italian forgery is treated as evidence by the Left that Bush lied in his State of the Union. Glad you don’t disagree with me that this is BS, but it is odd that you cited it to no purpose in this discussion of whether the administration lied to build its case for the Iraq War.

* What Bush actually said about yellow cake and Niger was:”The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.” The British did share with the US a report that made that assertion, without any reliance on forged Italian documents (see link below). I have no problem if you want to criticize Bush for relying on the intelligence of others, as the qualification “the British government” implies Bush was not confident making that statement based upon our own intel.

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You missed something, Sherlock. The director of the CIA told the administration 3 months before the SOTU address to remove it from the Cincinnati speech because it was unfounded. Condi said “everyone forgot.”

You don’t read for comprehension, do you?

It was a weaselly thing to use British intelligence for cover. But that does not make it a lie.

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It was *based* on a lie. Are you insane? The forgery was a lie. The British information was based on the forgery. The director of the CIA knew that, and told the administration that it was based on a forgery 3 months before the SOTU address. Condi said she and everyone else “forgot.”

Sheesh!

DR. RICE: The president quoted a British paper. We did not know at the time, no one knew at the time in our circles—maybe someone knew down in the bowels of the agency, but no one in our circles knew—that there were doubts and suspicions that this might be a forgery. Of course, it was information that was mistaken.

MR. RUSSERT: “No one in our circles.” That has proven to be wrong.

DR. RICE: No, Tim, that has not proven to be wrong. No one did know that they were forgeries. The notion of the forgeries came in February or in March when this was—when this came to the CIA. It is true that we learned, subsequent to my comments to you, that Director Tenet did not want to stand by that statement. And I would never want to see anything in a presidential statement—speech—that the director of Central Intelligence did not want to have there.

And I’m the national security adviser. When something like this happens, I feel personally responsible for it happening because it obscured the fact that the president of the United States did not go to war over whether Saddam Hussein tried to acquire yellow cake in Africa. He went to war over a threat from a bloody tyrant in the most volatile region of the world who had used weapons of mass destruction before, and was continuing to try to acquire them. And so, of course, this should not have happened.

DR. RICE: in October for the Cincinnati speech, not for the State of the Union, but the Cincinnati speech, George Tenet asked that this be taken out of the Cincinnati speech, the reference to yellow cake. It was taken out of the Cincinnati speech because whenever the director of Central Intelligence wants something out, it’s gone.

MR. RUSSERT: How’d it get back in?

DR. RICE: It’s not a matter of getting back in. It’s a matter, Tim, that three-plus months later, people didn’t remember that George Tenet had asked that it be taken out of the Cincinnati speech and then it was cleared by the agency. I didn’t remember. Steve Hadley didn’t remember. We are trying to put now in place methods so you don’t have to be dependent on people’s memories for something like that.

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This shows that the forgeries existed, and they claimed they didn’t know that they existed – and they forgot that the CIA director told them the information was unreliable.

You aren’t arguing with me, you’re arguing with Condi.

You’ve found the missing WMD!

There weren’t any WMD.