Racist Black People

Talking about me, instead of the subject matter really is boring. I’m not that exciting..

You hate me…we KNOW that. We GET IT…you look like a vapid idiot expressing it over and over..

I’d REALLY like to see how liberals respond to content…do you really have any thoughts, that are sincere..and not fed to you by the DNC and MSNBC…????

Let us all reflect on the unsung praises of the well placed WOOT.

Your inability to communicate anything but tripe, proves my point.

You liberals are pretty empty-headed and pretty much serve as a mass voice for democrat dogma, that they have to feed you, so you’ll have something to say. You are lost when asked to exchange ideas or express sincere purpose.

It is still too reductionist to say all camp prisoners were filled with hate towards their captors. But I am glad you felt the need to be more specific, it shows your understand that your initial sarcasm was misplaced.

The complexity of this issue is well captured in The Sunflower, which is about Wiesenthal’s time in a camp. He was being forced to tend to a dying German soldier who asked Wiesenthal for forgiveness for specific atrocities the soldier had committed against other Jews. Wiesenthal was kind to the soldier, holding his hand and swatting away a fly that was irritating the dying man, but ultimately Wiesenthal walked away without offering any forgiveness. But he was immediately conflicted and asked his fellow inmates (i.e. while still in the camp) whether he had done the right thing. Their response was not “f*** the Nazis.” It was, essentially, “who are you to speak for the dead and offer forgiveness for what he did to them?”

“since there were Jews who didn’t – that makes the Nazis less culpable and deserving of hatred, scorn and historical condemnation… ”

Are you drunk, stupid or just a liar? I never said anything remotely like this.

Apparently you can be all three. Caterwauling? You are the one who started snarking about my use of the phrase “many Jews” as opposed to your attempt to speak for all Jewish people. You have as much as conceded the point in your follow ups, but keep rambling if it makes you feel better.

Oh make no mistake, the Democratic Party is still plenty racist. Look at its treatment of black people who do not toe the party line. The Democrats had a stated policy of opposing minority and female judicial appointments under Bush (see Supreme Conflict by Jan Crawford, an ABC legal correspondent, for the dirty details). That is racism in its purest form.

The supposed racism of the Republican Party is another liberal myth that can be supported only from tendentious arguments of disparate impact from facially neutral policies. But using that logic, Democrats still come out looking like Bull Connor. “Progressive” policies have had a profoundly damaging impact on minorites. As Thomas Sowell has noted, the Great Society did what Jim Crow never could – cause the “disintegration of the black family, which survived centuries of slavery and generations of government-imposed discrimination in the Jim Crow era, but began coming apart in the wake of the expansion of the liberal welfare state and its accompanying social dogmas.” http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2012/03/20/race_and_rhetoric/page/full

As Clarence Thomas said, the worst treatment he has received in his life was at the hands of Northern liberals. Coming from someone who grew up in the segregated South (where he suffered under a different set of Democrats), that is disturbing. But I’m sure you know more about racism than he does.

Afraid I am not familiar with a Mark Thurman. Friend of yours?

Wouldn’t be the first or the last, whoever he is.

Actually, they do, as Thomas pointed out they get a total pass by calling themselves liberals, which frees them up to act in the most illiberal ways.

But I’m sure you know more about racism than he does.

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More about racism than Clarence Thomas?????

No one knows more about it than him.. except maybe you of course.

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The supposed racism of the Republican Party is another liberal myth

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Yeah… Republicans love Mexicans and blacks – if they’re wearing a suit.

So I don’t love or hate “blacks” or “Mexicans.”

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or white boys.. or nazis… or..

Do you think it’s genetic? and is it better referred to as sociopathy or pychopathy?

You prove the point
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yep.

I note you were not unable to support your BS claim that I was apologizing for Nazis.

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Thanks for noticing. Your claim that all Jews didn’t hate Nazis was a great addition to our conversation… I have a tendency to make a blanket statement about Nazis that includes them all!

The complexity of analyzing the psyche of those Nazis that might not have been culpable for the oppression of the Jews… too much for my feeble mind.

I didn’t introduce that subject. You objected to my use of the phrase “many Jews,” so I had to defend its accuracy.

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of course you did. Your integrity was on the line!

No, just felt like puncturing your unearned smugness

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so how is that working out for you?

I thought your claim to fame was not getting it because there was nothing to get.

You were painting with to broad a brush, about Jewish people. You have now repeatedly lied and claimed I was somehow drawing distinctions among Nazis. But I should not be surprised. You cannot make an actual point, so you have nothing else to offer than lies.

Spare me the sanctimonious nonsense about how I do not get your idiotic analogy. There is nothing to get. Even if every Jew everywhere hated Nazis with a universal and undying passion, it has nothing to do with racism because there is no evidence to support the notion that Jewish people hated Nazis because of their race.

If you want to slander them by suggesting otherwise, then prove it. But you are not kidding either of us by pretending there is something I am missing or by again trying to mischaracterize how the discussion proceeded.

I did not avoid your analogy or try to disable anything. I directly pointed out the obvious and idiotic flaw in your “logic” that would require us to conclude skinheads in this country were not racist (which you still have not addressed in these countless, pointless posts of yours). It was you that tried to change the subject by quibbling about my word choice. That did not end well for you either, since you conceded the point.

At some point, you just need to realize how pitiful you sound and stop trying to salvage your undeserved intellectual vanity.

“my point was hating one’s oppressor isn’t racism. If Nazis claimed Jews were racist because they resented the holocaust, they couldn’t be right, because Jews were not in power during the holocaust, no matter what else may have been the case.”

No, its not racism because the Jews in this example don’t give a crap about the color of the folks ushering them into a gas chamber.

“We call it racism when a group in power oppresses another group because of recognizable racial characteristics.”

No, that is not the definition of racism, it is an example of racism. The Oxford English Dictionary defines racism as “the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.”

Nary a mention of power. Check any mainstream dictionary and you will see that it is belief that is the touchstone of racism, not power. You are wrong. Just admit it. You’ll feel better.

“The color? The “master race” did not identify themselves solely by color, neither is race mainly concerned with color (despite what pappy may have told you). ”

I was unaware of the vast number of non-white Aryans. I also never realized racists did not care about skin color. Please tell me more. I expected you to try to change the subject again, but this is pathetic even for you. You can call me or my father whatever moronic insults you can dream up, but that does not change the fact that you are still advocating a definition of racism that excludes Adolph Hitler while he was dictating Mein Kampf in prison.

“I’m afraid you are also unaware that race is not exclusively concerned with color.”

I never said that, and you are still trying to change the subject.

Show me a single definition in a credible dictionary that adds at the end “unless those beliefs are directed at a group with greater power.” Hitler believed a Jewish conspiracy was oppressing him, so he still gets to avoid being a racist under your made up definition.

I must be missing in your post the dictionary cite I asked for. When you post it, can you flesh out the exact moment when Hitler was eligible to be considered a racist. Silly me, going my whole life thinking he was pretty much one his whole life. Darned SC public schools.

And there is still the tiny problem with your made up definition that we would pretty much have to have passed this mystical rite of passage where a black person can be considered racist, given that a black man is running the country and all. So your original argument is still refuted, just by you this time instead of me.