” First, I am a “greenie” in that I believe in the Biblical notion of stewardship – of respecting “woods and waters” and all other places (indoor or out), and leaving things better than I found them upon my arrival. You know, like jam band leader Dave Matthews told a crowd of
thousands in Central Park, New York – giving them instructions to “leave only (their) footprints” when departing a concert.
But I also believe in dominion – the right of human beings to take from the land what they need to survive so long as they do not waste or needlessly kill.”
So how do you feel about landfills and garbage dumps? The garbage remains long after we are all gone.
Not that I speak for Will, but in a society where private property is emphasized and respected, someone would be making money on landfills/dumps…probably generationally…and all the associated issues could be handled on the basis of harm(or not), etc. Have gov’t run land fills eliminates any aspects of “harm” restitution because generally speaking they are immune from responsibility.
How does our society to get such a place today? I have no earthly idea.
That being said, it’s always good to examine the “ideal”(which we all don’t agree on) and go from there.
“…government policies under fiscally liberal president Barack Obama have created the greatest upward concentration of wealth in human history.” – That’s a really disingenuous statement, even if the current divide between the rich and the poor could be easily explained based on a mere five years of governance. Sure there was the stimulus spending in 2009, but since then we’ve had enormous cutbacks to federal and state government spending nationwide, including the sequestration measures which most economists would credit for weakening our economic recovery. And I’m sure you would agree that, looking at the numbers alone, the nation has gradually been consolidating wealth at the top of society over the last 50 years, not just in the last 6. Blame liberalism if you want to, but laying the blame at the feet of one administration is a rhetorical move quite similar to the mis-labeling you are bemoaning in this post. A liberal’s two cents, anyhow.
Actually most income groups saw comparable gains in income and wealth from the end of the Great Depression through the first half of the 1970s. The divergence in income and wealth gains between the top 5% and the rest of the country, accelerated dramatically during the Reagan administration and has essentially continued to accelerate ever since. Maintaining that trajectory is what Citizens United, the new Supreme Court case where Republicans are asking the court to eliminate all restrictions on contributing money to politicians, restrictions on voting rights, etc. are all about.
The only people receiving any attention in this country is the very rich and the poor. Its time for the country to refocus on making the middle class successful. That is the key to prosperity, and you do not do that by cutting taxes on the rich and paying for it by raising taxes on the middle class and cutting programs designed to support middle class stability and security. Unfortunately that is exactly what the Republican Party wants to do.
Are you saying the success of the ‘middle class’ depends on political parties? Hmm…. I thought my success depends on what I do. So who do I thank for my success…er…blame for my failures….being that I am at the mercy of a political party?
What a stereotypical Tea Party question. No, each person is responsible for his success and failure. However, not all government is bad for success. Believing that is the mistake the Tea Party has made. We can have good government,and good government can enhance the ability of groups to compete and prosper. For, example, roads and highways enhance the ability of Transportations companies to succeed. A stable society enhances the ability of business to prosper. Government does not have to be an adversary.
All Government spending benefits someone, but the benefits of government are not uniform. Mostly now the government benefits the wealthy and wealthy companies, and that has been the direction our government has been moving for the past 30 + years. However, that has not always been the case. I am simply suggesting we try to get back to government that concentrates its efforts more on Main Street than Wall Street. And no that is not what the Tea Party was all about. The Tea Party was created by Republicans as a way to turn out Republican voters. It just got out of control.
The Teabaggers are coming out to get you during Halloween this year!
katfay October 17, 2013 at 5:02 pm
This response seems to be a ruse, it’s so foolish. It’s a remarkable hodgepodge of absurd emotional ranting, while entertaining, completely irrelevant to my post. My questions disturbed you, did they?
Characterizing a person’s individual trait or conduct, by group
indicates the writer’s propensity to bigotry, by justifying righteous
attachments and hatreds behind nonsensical arguments. Instead of responding to my questions, you deflected, fabricated an association or sentiment for my post with the TP so you could rant about that group. Are you a TP groupie?
Your post infers an implication my posts would never ever suggest. I don’t waste my time with such trash – opinion on
what constitutes the subjective concept of ‘good’ or ‘bad’ gov.
But, thanks for the entertainment.
Gregory Geddings October 17, 2013 at 2:53 pm
Dammit, Quit confusing Will’s readers with irrefutable facts!
As Margaret Thatcher explains in the attached, I don’t care much about what the gap is doing as long as everyone is moving up. Liberals would rather make us all poorer out of envy of the successful.
Or maybe an old joke from the Soviet Union expresses the point better:
“During my stretch in the Soviet Union (1986–1991), there was a popular joke making the rounds among the Russians. It seems there were two subsistence farmers, Ivan and Mikhail, both equally poor. Then one day, Ivan somehow acquires a cow. His life immediately improves. Instead of the wife, the cow pulls the plow; the cow gives milk; it produces calves for meat and the market. Quickly, Ivan far outpaces Mikhail.
One night, starving and miserable, Mikhail drops to his knees and prays. ‘Oh, God,’ he implores, ‘Ivan and I were always equal. And now look at him — rich, like boyar. So God, please, make us equal once more.’ There’s a sudden thunderclap and suddenly Mikhail hears the Voice of God. ‘Your prayers will be answered,’ says the Lord. ‘You shall once more be equal again.’
Mikhail practically screams with joy. ‘Great!’ he exclaims. ‘You’re going to kill Ivan’s cow!’”
More schmaltz B.S. from a hack writer and paid off shill for corporate governance. There’s a label for you, Will. But, then again, what do I know? You labeled me a no-talent ass clown in a recent article and, judging by the comments, that pretty much backfired on you.
How about an article about the stenographer in congress who berated our elected officials. Some of her comments were a little too close to home?
It’s certainly true practicing what you preach is not required when the preacher makes no pretense to practice, consistency, or message substance. There’s no hypocrisy that FITS articles uses labels ‘liberal”conservative”RINO’ instead of measurable, quantifiable data, to support the personal opinions to which writers love to jump. You’re never said FITS wouldn’t use the labels you assert it’s time for America to peel back, nor have you ever advertised FITS follows real journalistic standards. As long as people are willing to buy oceanfront in Arizona, there are people who will sell it.
How many times have you seen this clown refer to people as ugly, fat, drunk, etc. then come out with a hypocritical POS article like this? Cut the crap, Will and recognize that name calling and personal attacks have been an honored and integral part of human communication since God knows when.
Mark Twain, Dorothy Parker, H.L. Mencken…to name a few…not to mention others whose names were lost to history…
“Cursed be your mother’s anus. Cursed be your father’s testicles.”
-Traditional Yoruba verbal duelling curse
“I love Wagner, but the music I prefer is that of a cat hung up by its tail outside a window and trying to stick to the panes of glass with its claws.”
-Charles Baudelaire (1821-67) on Richard Wagner
“Actually I always loathed the Viennese quack. I used to stalk him down dark alleys of thought, and now we shall never forget the sight of old, flustered Freud seeking to unlock his door with the point of his umbrella.”
-Vladimir Nabokov (1899-1977) on Sigmund Freud (1856-1939)
For more of my favorite personal attacks click link. Don’t forget to read the obituary for William Jennings Bryan by H.L. Mencken. It is a priceless attack on a pompous ass by a masterful American writer…
The Republican brand is damaged, to be sure. But these things happen. Kind of like how the whole eugenics and fascism thing soured the progressive name and led to the use of liberal. Then liberal went out of fashion and lefties are back to progressive. The circle of life, I suppose.
All I can say is my Rottweiller would eat up your Lab………………..
How many more Southern panty-assed dudes do I have to see with their arms wrapped around a Labrador Retriever with their “master” wearing some kind of head covering do I have to see???
The only thing missing it the bandanna around the Lab…………
If I’ve seen this type of picture once. I’ve seen it over 100 times
Hug your friendly Lab all you want but this picture is so damn played……………..
But then again, this is what passes for South Carolina “Coolness” which is only 5-10 years behind everyone else!!!
Let alone the Charleston “Bros”
Wish I had a dollar for every time I’ve seen it………….
Shave your beard,ditch the sunglasses and let your fucking hair grow out.!!!!
Anytime you want to take a big “slag” of water from the Broad River flowing from your beloved Columbia,SC I’ll be more than willing to pull that said “slag” bring it to you and watch you drink approximately 250-500 milliters of said “slag”
When do you want me to pull the “slag” for you since you are such a “greenie”
No shit, I’ll drive down from Spartanburg just to personally pull the “slag” just for you
Just let me know since its all about personal responsibility – because there is no reason not to drink the water straight our of the Broad River – Right?????
Actually how about any stream south of the NC line for that matter.
You name the stream and I’ll pull the “slag” for you===== no shit
As long as you drink that “pure natural South Carolina water” straight from the source – I’ll do ‘er for ya!!!
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A-1 write up my friend. Kudos to you.
” First, I am a “greenie” in that I believe in the Biblical notion of stewardship – of respecting “woods and waters” and all other places (indoor or out), and leaving things better than I found them upon my arrival. You know, like jam band leader Dave Matthews told a crowd of
thousands in Central Park, New York – giving them instructions to “leave only (their) footprints” when departing a concert.
But I also believe in dominion – the right of human beings to take from the land what they need to survive so long as they do not waste or needlessly kill.”
So how do you feel about landfills and garbage dumps? The garbage remains long after we are all gone.
Not that I speak for Will, but in a society where private property is emphasized and respected, someone would be making money on landfills/dumps…probably generationally…and all the associated issues could be handled on the basis of harm(or not), etc. Have gov’t run land fills eliminates any aspects of “harm” restitution because generally speaking they are immune from responsibility.
How does our society to get such a place today? I have no earthly idea.
That being said, it’s always good to examine the “ideal”(which we all don’t agree on) and go from there.
I find it amusing he invoked Dave Matthews as he quite literally dumped a $hit$torm on those poor tourists in Chicago.
Fuck a bunch of Dave Matthews (the panty wasted favorite of Mark Sanford and his minions including Will Folks = big surprise there)!!!)
If it ain’t Led Zepplin,Jimmy Hendrix,The Allman Brothers (when Duane was alive),Muddy Waters,Elmore James,Robert Johnson or Leadbelly it ain’t shit.
Everything else is pure copycat or day-old cold oatmeal!!!
“…government policies under fiscally liberal president Barack Obama have created the greatest upward concentration of wealth in human history.” – That’s a really disingenuous statement, even if the current divide between the rich and the poor could be easily explained based on a mere five years of governance. Sure there was the stimulus spending in 2009, but since then we’ve had enormous cutbacks to federal and state government spending nationwide, including the sequestration measures which most economists would credit for weakening our economic recovery. And I’m sure you would agree that, looking at the numbers alone, the nation has gradually been consolidating wealth at the top of society over the last 50 years, not just in the last 6. Blame liberalism if you want to, but laying the blame at the feet of one administration is a rhetorical move quite similar to the mis-labeling you are bemoaning in this post. A liberal’s two cents, anyhow.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha
“Sure there was the stimulus spending in 2009, but since then we’ve had enormous cutbacks to federal and state government spending nationwide”
Oh, please, stop you’re killing me.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha
If we’ve had these “enormous cutbacks” shouldn’t the debt be going down?
Actually most income groups saw comparable gains in income and wealth from the end of the Great Depression through the first half of the 1970s. The divergence in income and wealth gains between the top 5% and the rest of the country, accelerated dramatically during the Reagan administration and has essentially continued to accelerate ever since. Maintaining that trajectory is what Citizens United, the new Supreme Court case where Republicans are asking the court to eliminate all restrictions on contributing money to politicians, restrictions on voting rights, etc. are all about.
The only people receiving any attention in this country is the very rich and the poor. Its time for the country to refocus on making the middle class successful. That is the key to prosperity, and you do not do that by cutting taxes on the rich and paying for it by raising taxes on the middle class and cutting programs designed to support middle class stability and security. Unfortunately that is exactly what the Republican Party wants to do.
Are you saying the success of the ‘middle class’ depends on political parties? Hmm…. I thought my success depends on what I do. So who do I thank for my success…er…blame for my failures….being that I am at the mercy of a political party?
What a stereotypical Tea Party question. No, each person is responsible for his success and failure. However, not all government is bad for success. Believing that is the mistake the Tea Party has made. We can have good government,and good government can enhance the ability of groups to compete and prosper. For, example, roads and highways enhance the ability of Transportations companies to succeed. A stable society enhances the ability of business to prosper. Government does not have to be an adversary.
All Government spending benefits someone, but the benefits of government are not uniform. Mostly now the government benefits the wealthy and wealthy companies, and that has been the direction our government has been moving for the past 30 + years. However, that has not always been the case. I am simply suggesting we try to get back to government that concentrates its efforts more on Main Street than Wall Street. And no that is not what the Tea Party was all about. The Tea Party was created by Republicans as a way to turn out Republican voters. It just got out of control.
Boogity! Boogity!
The Teabaggers are coming out to get you during Halloween this year!
This response seems to be a ruse, it’s so foolish. It’s a remarkable hodgepodge of absurd emotional ranting, while entertaining, completely irrelevant to my post. My questions disturbed you, did they?
Characterizing a person’s individual trait or conduct, by group
indicates the writer’s propensity to bigotry, by justifying righteous
attachments and hatreds behind nonsensical arguments. Instead of responding to my questions, you deflected, fabricated an association or sentiment for my post with the TP so you could rant about that group. Are you a TP groupie?
Your post infers an implication my posts would never ever suggest. I don’t waste my time with such trash – opinion on
what constitutes the subjective concept of ‘good’ or ‘bad’ gov.
But, thanks for the entertainment.
Dammit, Quit confusing Will’s readers with irrefutable facts!
As Margaret Thatcher explains in the attached, I don’t care much about what the gap is doing as long as everyone is moving up. Liberals would rather make us all poorer out of envy of the successful.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnOGaQX04Cs
Or maybe an old joke from the Soviet Union expresses the point better:
“During my stretch in the Soviet Union (1986–1991), there was a popular joke making the rounds among the Russians. It seems there were two subsistence farmers, Ivan and Mikhail, both equally poor. Then one day, Ivan somehow acquires a cow. His life immediately improves. Instead of the wife, the cow pulls the plow; the cow gives milk; it produces calves for meat and the market. Quickly, Ivan far outpaces Mikhail.
One night, starving and miserable, Mikhail drops to his knees and prays. ‘Oh, God,’ he implores, ‘Ivan and I were always equal. And now look at him — rich, like boyar. So God, please, make us equal once more.’ There’s a sudden thunderclap and suddenly Mikhail hears the Voice of God. ‘Your prayers will be answered,’ says the Lord. ‘You shall once more be equal again.’
Mikhail practically screams with joy. ‘Great!’ he exclaims. ‘You’re going to kill Ivan’s cow!’”
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/292671/iameritopiai-and-death-ivans-cow-michael-walsh
“Liberals would rather make us all poorer out of envy of the successful.”
Yes, but they couch this as wanting “equality”.
It’s not equality of opportunity mind you, it’s equality of condition.
Their particular subset of sheeple don’t understand the difference between the two.
Your hat’s on backwards.
“They lie, in other words.”
“These days, the only time politicians tell the truth is when they call each other a liar.” ~Alfred E. Newman
More schmaltz B.S. from a hack writer and paid off shill for corporate governance. There’s a label for you, Will. But, then again, what do I know? You labeled me a no-talent ass clown in a recent article and, judging by the comments, that pretty much backfired on you.
How about an article about the stenographer in congress who berated our elected officials. Some of her comments were a little too close to home?
http://www.alternet.org/visions/true-history-libertarianism-america-phony-ideology-promote-corporate-agenda
“No talent ass-clown” was an observation, not a label. Know the difference.
pot-A-to—poh-tat-oh
tom-A-to—tom-ah-to
Does this mean you’re going to stop slapping “RINO” labels on everyone you disagree with?
Hahahaha, just kidding.
It’s certainly true practicing what you preach is not required when the preacher makes no pretense to practice, consistency, or message substance. There’s no hypocrisy that FITS articles uses labels ‘liberal”conservative”RINO’ instead of measurable, quantifiable data, to support the personal opinions to which writers love to jump. You’re never said FITS wouldn’t use the labels you assert it’s time for America to peel back, nor have you ever advertised FITS follows real journalistic standards. As long as people are willing to buy oceanfront in Arizona, there are people who will sell it.
How many times have you seen this clown refer to people as ugly, fat, drunk, etc. then come out with a hypocritical POS article like this? Cut the crap, Will and recognize that name calling and personal attacks have been an honored and integral part of human communication since God knows when.
Mark Twain, Dorothy Parker, H.L. Mencken…to name a few…not to mention others whose names were lost to history…
“Cursed be your mother’s anus. Cursed be your father’s testicles.”
-Traditional Yoruba verbal duelling curse
“I love Wagner, but the music I prefer is that of a cat hung up by its tail outside a window and trying to stick to the panes of glass with its claws.”
-Charles Baudelaire (1821-67) on Richard Wagner
“Actually I always loathed the Viennese quack. I used to stalk him down dark alleys of thought, and now we shall never forget the sight of old, flustered Freud seeking to unlock his door with the point of his umbrella.”
-Vladimir Nabokov (1899-1977) on Sigmund Freud (1856-1939)
For more of my favorite personal attacks click link. Don’t forget to read the obituary for William Jennings Bryan by H.L. Mencken. It is a priceless attack on a pompous ass by a masterful American writer…
http://2big2fall.wordpress.com/2011/05/18/a-defense-of-personal-attacks/
I would expect an effort by the Teapublicans to de-label, given what they have done to their brand.
http://www.people-press.org/2013/10/16/tea-partys-image-turns-more-negative/
The Republican brand is damaged, to be sure. But these things happen. Kind of like how the whole eugenics and fascism thing soured the progressive name and led to the use of liberal. Then liberal went out of fashion and lefties are back to progressive. The circle of life, I suppose.
All I can say is my Rottweiller would eat up your Lab………………..
How many more Southern panty-assed dudes do I have to see with their arms wrapped around a Labrador Retriever with their “master” wearing some kind of head covering do I have to see???
The only thing missing it the bandanna around the Lab…………
If I’ve seen this type of picture once. I’ve seen it over 100 times
Hug your friendly Lab all you want but this picture is so damn played……………..
But then again, this is what passes for South Carolina “Coolness” which is only 5-10 years behind everyone else!!!
Let alone the Charleston “Bros”
Wish I had a dollar for every time I’ve seen it………….
Shave your beard,ditch the sunglasses and let your fucking hair grow out.!!!!
You Gen X’s,Y’s and Millennials don’t have a clue
BTW:
Anytime you want to take a big “slag” of water from the Broad River flowing from your beloved Columbia,SC I’ll be more than willing to pull that said “slag” bring it to you and watch you drink approximately 250-500 milliters of said “slag”
When do you want me to pull the “slag” for you since you are such a “greenie”
No shit, I’ll drive down from Spartanburg just to personally pull the “slag” just for you
Just let me know since its all about personal responsibility – because there is no reason not to drink the water straight our of the Broad River – Right?????
Actually how about any stream south of the NC line for that matter.
You name the stream and I’ll pull the “slag” for you===== no shit
As long as you drink that “pure natural South Carolina water” straight from the source – I’ll do ‘er for ya!!!
Or I suppose everyone could just slash their wrists since its so damn fucked up…..