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SC Episcopal Church Covering Up Child Abuse?

Yet-to-be-disclosed allegations of child abuse are rocking a politically connected Midlands, S.C.-area Episcopal congregation, sources familiar with the rapidly escalating drama tell FITS. In response to the allegations, a super secretive meeting of the membership of St. Mary’s Episcopal Church in Columbia, S.C. has been called for next week. Of…

Yet-to-be-disclosed allegations of child abuse are rocking a politically connected Midlands, S.C.-area Episcopal congregation, sources familiar with the rapidly escalating drama tell FITS.

In response to the allegations, a super secretive meeting of the membership of St. Mary’s Episcopal Church in Columbia, S.C. has been called for next week. Of course it’s unlikely anything will come from this conclave given the extent to which powerful church leaders are endeavoring to keep it under wraps.

“Father Phil Webster and Bishop Andrew Waldo have decided in their pastoral discretion that it is important to the health of the St. Mary’s community to share certain factual information with the members of the parish concerning recent matters affecting the life of that community,” an email from the congregation’s senior warden Steve Mungo reads.

Mungo, of course, is the powerful CEO of Mungo Homes – a regional builder headquartered in Columbia, S.C.

Mungo’s missive further states next week’s meeting will “be open only to the membership and paid staff of St. Mary’s” and that “the matters discussed in the meeting will be strictly confidential.”

In fact to ensure confidentiality, “membership status will be verified at the door, and the signing of a legally binding confidentiality agreement will be required.”

Ummm … what?

Assuming members make the cut (and sign the church’s “speak no evil” blood oath), there’s still no guarantee they will get to the bottom of things.

“This will be an informational meeting with limited opportunity for question and answers to clarify the information presented by Father Webster and Bishop Waldo,” the email concludes, urging members to “sit in silence to listen for the voice of God.”

Wow …

What sort of allegation has prompted such secrecy? According to our sources, the church is grappling with a child abuse allegation involving one of its aforementioned leaders – an allegation which is said to have initially been made by a teacher at Dutch Fork Elementary School. Of course nothing came of the allegation because Dutch Fork is part of Lexington Richland School District 5 – a notoriously corrupt administration which is joined at the hip with the Mungos.

Oh … and Mungo Homes spends huge money advertising on the local mainstream media, too.

Mungo was not immediately available for comment. Nor was Webster, who was vacationing with his family this week. Offices of Lexington-Richland 5 were closed Friday, rendering district officials unavailable for comment.

Stay tuned … the St. Mary’s congregational meeting is currently scheduled for Thursday, August 1 at 7:30 p.m. EDT.

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138 comments

Smirks July 26, 2013 at 12:29 pm

That’s the kind of sign that maybe you should find a new church.

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Frank Pytel July 26, 2013 at 1:07 pm

+5

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Smirks July 26, 2013 at 12:29 pm

That’s the kind of sign that maybe you should find a new church.

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Frank Pytel July 26, 2013 at 1:07 pm

+5

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Finius Nullis July 26, 2013 at 12:39 pm

“This will be an informational meeting with limited opportunity for question and answers to clarify the information presented by Father Webster and Bishop Waldo,” the email concludes, urging members to “sit in silence to listen for the voice of God.”
—- well, that says it all

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Jay Ellington July 26, 2013 at 1:56 pm

Basically they are saying… sit back, shut the f*ck up and when you leave up outta here, stay shut the f*ck up.

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Elfego July 28, 2013 at 5:47 pm

It may shock some of them if God really spoke!

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Finius Nullis July 26, 2013 at 12:39 pm

“This will be an informational meeting with limited opportunity for question and answers to clarify the information presented by Father Webster and Bishop Waldo,” the email concludes, urging members to “sit in silence to listen for the voice of God.”
—- well, that says it all

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The Ghost of Fat Greg Dulli July 26, 2013 at 1:56 pm

Basically they are saying… sit back, shut the f*ck up and when you leave up outta here, stay shut the f*ck up.

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Elfego July 28, 2013 at 5:47 pm

It may shock some of them if God really spoke!

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Jay Ellington July 26, 2013 at 1:15 pm

In fact to ensure confidentiality, “membership status will be verified at the door, and the signing of a legally binding confidentiality agreement will be required.”

What do we have here, a congregation or a coven?

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Finius Nullis July 26, 2013 at 2:43 pm

Right, and this church so large that no one knows who all of the members are? I’m typing this before I see if they have a church membership book with pictures. I’ll let you know what I find.

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Finius Nullis July 26, 2013 at 3:21 pm

Pulled up two sites but no picture directory or membership list. I guess that to prove membership a person has to bring their pledge statement (and probably catch up on past due pledges),

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Finius Nullis July 26, 2013 at 3:22 pm

The church building is first class design.

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Jay Ellington July 26, 2013 at 3:27 pm

Lots of potential victims in their homepage jquery image slider. #nauseating

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Me July 27, 2013 at 7:46 pm

There is a membership directory, but it is not online. The church has three separate services each Sunday (one in Spanish), and many members who regularly attend one service won’t know those who attend the other.

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The Ghost of Fat Greg Dulli July 26, 2013 at 1:15 pm

In fact to ensure confidentiality, “membership status will be verified at the door, and the signing of a legally binding confidentiality agreement will be required.”

What do we have here, a congregation or a coven?

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Finius Nullis July 26, 2013 at 2:43 pm

Right, and this church so large that no one knows who all of the members are? I’m typing this before I see if they have a church membership book with pictures. I’ll let you know what I find.

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Finius Nullis July 26, 2013 at 3:21 pm

Pulled up two sites but no picture directory or membership list. I guess that to prove membership a person has to bring their pledge statement (and probably catch up on past due pledges),

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Finius Nullis July 26, 2013 at 3:22 pm

The church building is first class design.

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Guest July 26, 2013 at 3:27 pm

Lots of potential victims in their homepage jquery image slider. #nauseating

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Me July 27, 2013 at 7:46 pm

There is a membership directory, but it is not online. The church has three separate services each Sunday (one in Spanish), and many members who regularly attend one service won’t know those who attend the other.

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Thomas July 26, 2013 at 1:49 pm

Why don’t you wait and see what happens before you accuse someone of doing something wrong?

I have heard an unsubstantiated rumor that Jay Ellington and Smirks beat their wife and children just like Will Folks. Should I try to confirm this rumor, go to the police, or just do a press release and let the public work it out?

You do realize that if children are involved they may not want their identity blasted all over the news.

Maybe what is being discussed with the Parish is the impact of what is happening on the Parish, so that Parishioners are not blindsided by the press or read about investigations in the paper. Perhaps the police are investigating and have asked the leadership of the Church not to divulge information that could hamper their investigation.

I think its pretty obvious that if you are trying to cover something up you don’t call a Parish meeting.

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Sailor July 26, 2013 at 2:38 pm

Why don’t you take your own advice as contained in your first sentence? What evidence do you have that Will Folks beats his wife and children? All you’ve done is taken some ancient history and twisted it in to something it isn’t.
Next time, try thinking before typing.

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Thomas July 26, 2013 at 2:51 pm

Dude, your making my point. I am presenting the exact same evidence Will Folks has that the leadership of the Episcopal Church is doing something wrong, and I am handling that evidence in the same manner he did. Recklessly.

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GreenvilleLwyr July 26, 2013 at 3:54 pm

You’re, not your.

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Jay Ellington July 26, 2013 at 4:56 pm

Points are lost when you don’t know the difference between your and you’re.

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TontoBubbaGoldstein July 28, 2013 at 10:34 am

TBG (and Rachel Jeantel) sometimes use “UR” for both “your” and “you’re” to avoid looking [even more] ignorant.

For example:

TBG does not put much faith in organizations whose (who’s?) basic message appears to be:

“UR special! Give us UR money.”

Jay Ellington July 26, 2013 at 4:55 pm

Thomas, if you used your real name I’d come and find you and beat you senseless. You might not like my style, but don’t ever mention my family again.

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Jay Ellington July 26, 2013 at 5:03 pm

Come see me Thomas, I’ll help clear things up for you. I play tennis at Mays Park regularly, swing on by.

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Finius Nullis July 27, 2013 at 8:32 pm

You’re saying above that Jay and Smirks are married to the SAME woman? Damn! That is — well, I just don’t have words for that.

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Thomas July 26, 2013 at 1:49 pm

Why don’t you wait and see what happens before you accuse someone of doing something wrong?

I have heard an unsubstantiated rumor that Jay Ellington and Smirks beat their wife and children just like Will Folks. Should I try to confirm this rumor, go to the police, or just do a press release and let the public work it out?

You do realize that if children are involved they may not want their identity blasted all over the news.

Maybe what is being discussed with the Parish is the impact of what is happening on the Parish, so that Parishioners are not blindsided by the press or read about investigations in the paper. Perhaps the police are investigating and have asked the leadership of the Church not to divulge information that could hamper their investigation.

I think its pretty obvious that if you are trying to cover something up you don’t call a Parish meeting.

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Sailor July 26, 2013 at 2:38 pm

Why don’t you take your own advice as contained in your first sentence? What evidence do you have that Will Folks beats his wife and children? All you’ve done is taken some ancient history and twisted it in to something it isn’t.
Next time, try thinking before typing.

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Thomas July 26, 2013 at 2:51 pm

Dude, your making my point. I am presenting the exact same evidence Will Folks has that the leadership of the Episcopal Church is doing something wrong, and I am handling that evidence in the same manner he did. Recklessly.

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GreenvilleLwyr July 26, 2013 at 3:54 pm

You’re, not your.

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The Ghost of Fat Greg Dulli July 26, 2013 at 4:56 pm

Points are lost when you don’t know the difference between your and you’re.

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TontoBubbaGoldstein July 28, 2013 at 10:34 am

TBG (and Rachel Jeantel) sometimes use “UR” for both “your” and “you’re” to avoid looking [even more] ignorant.

For example:

TBG does not put much faith in organizations whose (who’s?) basic message appears to be:

“UR special! Give us UR money.”

Guest July 26, 2013 at 4:55 pm

Thomas, if you used your real name I’d come and find you and beat you senseless. You might not like my style, but don’t ever mention my family again.

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The Ghost of Fat Greg Dulli July 26, 2013 at 5:03 pm

Come see me Thomas, I’ll help clear things up for you. I play tennis at Mays Park regularly, swing on by.

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Finius Nullis July 27, 2013 at 8:32 pm

You’re saying above that Jay and Smirks are married to the SAME woman? Damn! That is — well, I just don’t have words for that.

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chickenoregg July 26, 2013 at 1:57 pm

So what if somebody leaks? What if God tells one of them to lay it all out? You never know what God is gonna tell somebody to do. This sounds risky to me. And if God tells somebody to do it, are you gonna prosecute? My, my. This gets so complicated. Can you join and be a member before August 1? This sounds real juicy.

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Jay Ellington July 26, 2013 at 2:09 pm

The lord works in mysterious ways.

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chickenoregg July 26, 2013 at 1:57 pm

So what if somebody leaks? What if God tells one of them to lay it all out? You never know what God is gonna tell somebody to do. This sounds risky to me. And if God tells somebody to do it, are you gonna prosecute? My, my. This gets so complicated. Can you join and be a member before August 1? This sounds real juicy.

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The Ghost of Fat Greg Dulli July 26, 2013 at 2:09 pm

The lord works in mysterious ways.

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nitrat July 26, 2013 at 2:13 pm

So, if crimes have been committed, and this meeting is abouu covering them up and they sign the confidentiality agreements, this will make them ALL accessories after the fact?

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nitrat July 26, 2013 at 2:13 pm

So, if crimes have been committed, and this meeting is about covering them up and they sign the confidentiality agreements, this will make them ALL accessories after the fact?

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Steven Mungo July 26, 2013 at 6:23 pm

It is unfortunate that some resort to sensationalist journalism with hurtful content. No one made any attempt to contact either me or any member of the church staff to get any actual facts before publishing this and there is no foundation to any allegation of child abuse at St. Mary’s. The Bishop’s visit concerns another matter and has nothing to do with anything related to child abuse.

If anyone has any questions concerning this they are free to contact either myself or the Diocese of Upper SC for clarification.

Steven Mungo
Sr. Warden
803-749-9000 x120

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reasonable July 26, 2013 at 7:32 pm

You won’t be contacted nor will the diocese. Will is not as interested in truth as he is in dirt slinging and hurtful rumor-mongering that has potential to damage lives.

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Polyphemos July 27, 2013 at 2:49 pm

I have never known Will to lie. He and I have differed mightily on interpretation of facts and sources, but he has never lied, so far as I am aware. And I am aware of a whole lot.

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9" July 28, 2013 at 7:16 pm

Will lies.From William Ayers to Jadeveon Clowney…

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TontoBubbaGoldstein July 28, 2013 at 10:37 am

Someone’s credibility will take a hit in the upcoming weeks.

Gentlemen, and ladies:

Place your wagers!

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? July 28, 2013 at 1:51 pm

Why does it seem like it’s always the richest dude in the church that ends up in a senior position within its organization?

That being said, “and the signing of a legally binding confidentiality agreement will be required” would seem to suggest that you wouldn’t have answered any questions even if Folks had called anyway, correct?

It seems absurd to me that you claim harm in Will not sourcing you directly yet you issue the above statement/requirement.

Your organization isn’t exactly being forth coming based on your own release.

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Smirks July 29, 2013 at 10:27 am

Organized religion is more often than not all about the money, LDS and the Catholic church is proof enough of that. He who tithes most is most holy.

Did the disciples have to sign legally-binding confidentiality agreements? If so, I hope Jesus sued the shit out of Judas.

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Steven Mungo July 26, 2013 at 6:23 pm

It is unfortunate that some resort to sensationalist journalism with hurtful content. No one made any attempt to contact either me or any member of the church staff to get any actual facts before publishing this and there is no foundation to any allegation of child abuse at St. Mary’s. The Bishop’s visit concerns another matter and has nothing to do with anything related to child abuse.

If anyone has any questions concerning this they are free to contact either myself or the Diocese of Upper SC for clarification.

Steven Mungo
Sr. Warden
803-749-9000 x120

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reasonable July 26, 2013 at 7:32 pm

You won’t be contacted nor will the diocese. Will is not as interested in truth as he is in dirt slinging and hurtful rumor-mongering that has potential to damage lives.

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Slartibartfast July 27, 2013 at 2:49 pm

I have never known Will to lie. He and I have differed mightily on interpretation of facts and sources, but he has never lied, so far as I am aware. And I am aware of a whole lot.

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9" July 28, 2013 at 7:16 pm

Will lies.From William Ayers to Jadeveon Clowney…

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TontoBubbaGoldstein July 28, 2013 at 10:37 am

Someone’s credibility will take a hit in the upcoming weeks.

Gentlemen, and ladies:

Place your wagers!

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? July 28, 2013 at 1:51 pm

Why does it seem like it’s always the richest dude in the church that ends up in a senior position within its organization?

That being said, “and the signing of a legally binding confidentiality agreement will be required” would seem to suggest that you wouldn’t have answered any questions even if Folks had called anyway, correct?

It seems absurd to me that you claim harm in Will not sourcing you directly yet you issue the above statement/requirement.

Your organization isn’t exactly being forth coming based on your own release.

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Smirks July 29, 2013 at 10:27 am

Organized religion is more often than not all about the money, LDS and the Catholic church is proof enough of that. He who tithes most is most holy.

Did the disciples have to sign legally-binding confidentiality agreements? If so, I hope Jesus sued the shit out of Judas.

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Soft Sigh from Hell July 27, 2013 at 10:24 am

Bishop Waldo

——–

Oh, him again, with his secret tribal meetings.

“urging members to “sit in silence to listen for the voice of God”

——–

While they hear Bishop Waldo’s

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Soft Sigh from Hell July 27, 2013 at 10:24 am

Bishop Waldo

——–

Oh, him again, with his secret tribal meetings.

“urging members to “sit in silence to listen for the voice of God”

——–

While they hear Bishop Waldo’s

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Polyphemos July 27, 2013 at 2:28 pm

How about this scenario, instead:

There may be an incident of child abuse, but that is secondary to St. Mary’s problem, which is financial. St. Mary’s is a “high” Episcopal Church, favored by Mike Mungo, who was a good enough friend, back in the late ’60’s – early ’70’s when he was building plastic houses and wearing green leisure suits and attending Good Shepherd. His heir, Steven Mungo, whose missive you see, below, is one of the few supporters of the parish, of any real substance, left.

As the Episcopal church in South Carolina continues to fractionalize, more and more people in “high church” parishes are walking away, toward the Roman Church. The reason for the meeting could even be theft from the parish. The child abuse charge may only be a secondary bit of leverage to get things to move around.

My conjecture is that they cannot afford their parish priest, and either more people will have to pony up, or they will be placed on mission status, which would be a huge embarrassment – hence the closed doors and signed oaths.

When it comes to what we Southern Cone folks call “the old Episcopal Church” (TEC), run out of 815 in NYC, the problem is always money, even if it does involve morals.

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Bill July 29, 2013 at 11:04 am

The Southern Cone. What a joke. Whenever you hear supposed Christians, speculating about what is going on in other Christian organizations, you know they are about as far from Christian as they can get. So consider the source.

The Episcopal Church has not continued to fractionalize in South Carolina. Lawrence’s group has formed their own Church, and those who want to remain in the Episcopal Church have. No Parishes have left the Upper Diocese of SC and the Parishes of the Diocese of SC who remained in the Episcopal Church have more members than they have had in many years.

If the Southern Cone is so great why hasn’t Lawrence’s group agreed to become a diocese. And why did other US groups, like ACNA choose not to become a province. My conjecture is the South American leadership of the Southern Cone tried to extort to much money out of the US groups. Frequently with third world organizations is all about how many American dollars they can get their hands on.

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Polyphemos July 29, 2013 at 1:55 pm

“The Southern Cone. What a joke.”

I you like. Since I report on TEC for my readers, I do know the following: TEC is in serious trouble. Several Dioceses have left the National church (815, for short) in attempt to preserve the faith. Other thousands have simply stopped attending. IN the Upper Diocese, Christ Church has not left, but they have basically told their bishop that they will not adhere to the new misinterpretations concerning the 39 articles. There is a serious fund shortage in TEC. I know that Trinity Church made a big mistake when they became a cathedral, thinking that all the College people who go there represent the rest of the diocese.

“Lawrence’s group” has not formed it’s own church. It is the rightful heir to the Church of England in the United States and was there 100 years before there was a United States, OR an Episcopal Church.

As to the American Dollars the Southern Cone wants, the Episcopal Church forced themselves on the area, edging out the Anglican Church Army in the 19th Century. Now that they are rejecting TEC and embracing the Australians and Africans in the Southern Cone Movement, the jealousy of TEC is almost Satanic. But when you consider the TEC land-grab in the US, it’s to be expected. ACNA and the SC will eventually come together, depending more on the speed that Africa wants to go and has nothing to do with money – another calumny of 815.

Remember that 70-million of the 77-million Anglicans are people of color, not Episcopalians or Canadians or the 815 catamites.

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Bill July 29, 2013 at 5:40 pm

Well lets hope your readers are not relying on you for accurate information. Maybe you could bother to read a history book regarding the history of the Church of England in the United States, instead of listening to partisans, who only hear what they want to hear.

As far as preserving the faith, I guess that is up for debate. I happen to think your theology is false, but that is between you and god and I will not judge you. To bad those few who have chosen to leave the Episcopal Church cannot simply say the same, and move on. Instead, the hate and anger they express is palpable. They take every opportunity to attack others as you have here.

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Polyphemos July 29, 2013 at 8:52 pm

I helped “write” the book. I and my family have been involved with the Anglican Church in South Carolina for over 300 years. Were it not for me and three others, there would be no women priests in the Episcopal Church – that, alone, either makes me a hero or a goat – and frankly, I still haven’t decided, myself. So, please, don’t go prancing around with your bad self, pretending to be some sort of authority.

Also, you don’t even know what my “theology” is. I doubt, seriously, if you could even have a discussion in hermeneutics or teleology or Christology or even existential phenomenology, for that matter. Trust me, you don’t want to get into theological pissing contest with me. So, I’ll just assume you’ve had one too many. You, on the other hand, can show your good sense by going to a different subject.

Bill July 30, 2013 at 2:05 pm

I am not the one claiming to be an expert. You are. So why would you make statements you cannot support.
You will have no disagreement from me that there is nothing like the original Church of England in the US. In fact that does not exist anywhere. Priests and Bishops were required to disavow allegiance to the Crown during and after the Revolution. At that pointe they were no longer part of the Church of England, and South Carolina disbanded its state religious institutions. Which is why your claim Lawrence’s Church is the “heir to the Church of England” makes no sense.
Everything that happened before the Diocese of SC affiliated with the Episcopal Church is irrelevant to the debate of whether parishioners who want to leave the Episcopal Church can force those who do not want to go with them to do so or lose the right to worship in the properties they and their families have supported for generations.
Your family is not the only one who has been in South Carolina since well before the Revolution.

Polyphemos July 30, 2013 at 9:46 pm

Well, bully for you. And your bully church.

Soft Sigh from Hell July 29, 2013 at 8:22 pm

Schisms bring out the worst in people. But unfortunately for the malicious spectators, they rarely rise to edged instruments or honed implements anymore.

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? July 30, 2013 at 12:24 am

lol….am I to assume you are refering to this particular church springing forth from Henry the 8th’s loins after judicious use of said instruments on wife #2?

Or am I reading into things too much?

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Soft Sigh from Hell July 30, 2013 at 7:23 pm

I wasn’t thinking of that but excellent point (or sharp edge) on your part!
I was more thinking Thirty Years War, but merely as an allusion to the catfight some seem to hope to watch in this case.

Slartibartfast July 27, 2013 at 2:28 pm

How about this scenario, instead:

There may be an incident of child abuse, but that is secondary to St. Mary’s problem, which is financial. St. Mary’s is a “high” Episcopal Church, favored by Mike Mungo, who was a good enough friend, back in the late ’60’s – early ’70’s when he was building plastic houses and wearing green leisure suits and attending Good Shepherd. His heir, Steven Mungo, whose missive you see, below, is one of the few supporters of the parish, of any real substance, left.

As the Episcopal church in South Carolina continues to fractionalize, more and more people in “high church” parishes are walking away, toward the Roman Church. The reason for the meeting could even be theft from the parish. The child abuse charge may only be a secondary bit of leverage to get things to move around.

My conjecture is that they cannot afford their parish priest, and either more people will have to pony up, or they will be placed on mission status, which would be a huge embarrassment – hence the closed doors and signed oaths.

When it comes to what we Southern Cone folks call “the old Episcopal Church” (TEC), run out of 815 in NYC, the problem is always money, even if it does involve morals.

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Bill July 29, 2013 at 11:04 am

The Southern Cone. What a joke. Whenever you hear supposed Christians, speculating about what is going on in other Christian organizations, you know they are about as far from Christian as they can get. So consider the source.

The Episcopal Church has not continued to fractionalize in South Carolina. Lawrence’s group has formed their own Church, and those who want to remain in the Episcopal Church have. No Parishes have left the Upper Diocese of SC and the Parishes of the Diocese of SC who remained in the Episcopal Church have more members than they have had in many years.

If the Southern Cone is so great why hasn’t Lawrence’s group agreed to become a diocese. And why did other US groups, like ACNA choose not to become a province. My conjecture is the South American leadership of the Southern Cone tried to extort to much money out of the US groups. Frequently with third world organizations is all about how many American dollars they can get their hands on.

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Slartibartfast July 29, 2013 at 1:55 pm

“The Southern Cone. What a joke.”

I you like. Since I report on TEC for my readers, I do know the following: TEC is in serious trouble. Several Dioceses have left the National church (815, for short) in attempt to preserve the faith. Other thousands have simply stopped attending. IN the Upper Diocese, Christ Church has not left, but they have basically told their bishop that they will not adhere to the new misinterpretations concerning the 39 articles. There is a serious fund shortage in TEC. I know that Trinity Church made a big mistake when they became a cathedral, thinking that all the College people who go there represent the rest of the diocese.

“Lawrence’s group” has not formed it’s own church. It is the rightful heir to the Church of England in the United States and was there 100 years before there was a United States, OR an Episcopal Church.

As to the American Dollars the Southern Cone wants, the Episcopal Church forced themselves on the area, edging out the Anglican Church Army in the 19th Century. Now that they are rejecting TEC and embracing the Australians and Africans in the Southern Cone Movement, the jealousy of TEC is almost Satanic. But when you consider the TEC land-grab in the US, it’s to be expected. ACNA and the SC will eventually come together, depending more on the speed that Africa wants to go and has nothing to do with money – another calumny of 815.

Remember that 70-million of the 77-million Anglicans are people of color, not Episcopalians or Canadians or the 815 catamites.

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Bill July 29, 2013 at 5:40 pm

Well lets hope your readers are not relying on you for accurate information. Maybe you could bother to read a history book regarding the history of the Church of England in the United States, instead of listening to partisans, who only hear what they want to hear.

As far as preserving the faith, I guess that is up for debate. I happen to think your theology is false, but that is between you and god and I will not judge you. To bad those few who have chosen to leave the Episcopal Church cannot simply say the same, and move on. Instead, the hate and anger they express is palpable. They take every opportunity to attack others as you have here.

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Slartibartfast July 29, 2013 at 8:52 pm

I helped “write” the book. I and my family have been involved with the Anglican Church in South Carolina for over 300 years. Were it not for me and three others, there would be no women priests in the Episcopal Church – that, alone, either makes me a hero or a goat – and frankly, I still haven’t decided, myself. So, please, don’t go prancing around with your bad self, pretending to be some sort of authority.

As it is, neither the Church in England, nor any Anglican or Episcopal Church is ANYTHING like the original Church in England which is the oldest continuing Church in the world. Before the Romans came in and bullied their way to dominance, the Abbots and Abbesses ran the church and the Bishops were second bananas. Women were healers while the male presbyters were the presidents of the Chabura. What we have now is not even close to the original Church, where women were not only honored, but had a genuine say in Church polity. On the other hand, they did not need to be, nor were they Bishops, or priests (while they were also deaconesses). And don’t forget that St. Augustine, Rome’s missionary, was met by British Abbotts, Abbesses, and Bishops! THAT’s the real history.

Also, you don’t even know what my “theology” is. I doubt, seriously, if you could even have a discussion in hermeneutics or teleology or Christology or even existential phenomenology, for that matter. Trust me, you don’t want to get into a theological pissing contest with me. So, I’ll just assume you’ve had one too many. You, on the other hand, can show your good sense by going to a different subject.

Bill July 30, 2013 at 2:05 pm

I am not the one claiming to be an expert. You are. So why would you make statements you cannot support.
You will have no disagreement from me that there is nothing like the original Church of England in the US. In fact that does not exist anywhere. Priests and Bishops were required to disavow allegiance to the Crown during and after the Revolution. At that pointe they were no longer part of the Church of England, and South Carolina disbanded its state religious institutions. Which is why your claim Lawrence’s Church is the “heir to the Church of England” makes no sense.
Everything that happened before the Diocese of SC affiliated with the Episcopal Church is irrelevant to the debate of whether parishioners who want to leave the Episcopal Church can force those who do not want to go with them to do so or lose the right to worship in the properties they and their families have supported for generations.
Your family is not the only one who has been in South Carolina since well before the Revolution.

Slartibartfast July 30, 2013 at 9:46 pm

Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin

Soft Sigh from Hell July 29, 2013 at 8:22 pm

Schisms bring out the worst in people. But unfortunately for the malicious spectators, they rarely rise to edged instruments or honed implements anymore.

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? July 30, 2013 at 12:24 am

lol….am I to assume you are refering to this particular church springing forth from Henry the 8th’s loins after judicious use of said instruments on wife #2?

Or am I reading into things too much?

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Soft Sigh from Hell July 30, 2013 at 7:23 pm

I wasn’t thinking of that but excellent point (or sharp edge) on your part!
I was more thinking Thirty Years War, but merely as an allusion to the catfight some seem to hope to watch in this case.

Same ol' Same ol' July 27, 2013 at 2:41 pm

I’m glad I prefer to remain unaffiliated.

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The thruth will set you free August 1, 2013 at 9:51 pm

I am glad I left this church

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The truth will set you free August 1, 2013 at 9:53 pm

Just because it did not happen to you does not mean it did not happen

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Same ol' Same ol' July 27, 2013 at 2:41 pm

I’m glad I prefer to remain unaffiliated.

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The thruth will set you free August 1, 2013 at 9:51 pm

I am glad I left this church

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The truth will set you free August 1, 2013 at 9:53 pm

Just because it did not happen to you does not mean it did not happen

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9" July 27, 2013 at 5:01 pm

You are not going to find a church in SC that doesn’t have a predominately gay clergy.

That’s the facts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGcM_tcJ6Tk

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Rufus July 27, 2013 at 5:42 pm

9″ you are right my friend. Columbia is full of closeted married gay priest online going to bars, and hooking up. Many Episcopal congregations know their priest are gay and accept it, although it is not advertised. Many parishioners however would be shocked to know their priest are living lies.

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9" July 30, 2013 at 1:45 pm

Hell,I’ve fucked three Baptist ministers in the last five years.Greedy butts.

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* July 31, 2013 at 6:31 pm

Ministers love getting fucked. Done Methodist, Baptist, Jewish, Episcopal, but no Catholic yet.

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9" July 31, 2013 at 7:38 pm

they’re the tightest.have fun on your mission

9" July 27, 2013 at 5:01 pm

You are not going to find a church in SC that doesn’t have a predominately gay clergy.

That’s the facts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGcM_tcJ6Tk

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Rufus July 27, 2013 at 5:42 pm

9″ you are right my friend. Columbia is full of closeted married gay priest online going to bars, and hooking up. Many Episcopal congregations know their priest are gay and accept it, although it is not advertised. Many parishioners however would be shocked to know their priest are living lies.

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9" July 30, 2013 at 1:45 pm

Hell,I’ve fucked three Baptist ministers in the last five years.Greedy butts.

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* July 31, 2013 at 6:31 pm

Ministers love getting fucked. Done Methodist, Baptist, Jewish, Episcopal, but no Catholic yet.

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9" July 31, 2013 at 7:38 pm

they’re the tightest.have fun on your mission

Me July 27, 2013 at 7:44 pm

I expect this has to do with the intense dislike for the rector hired one year ago. Current and former members received a three-page survey recently by a group calling themselves the “St. Mary’s Mutual Ministry” that made it very clear that they are looking to get rid of the man.

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Alphonso July 29, 2013 at 9:28 pm

Why do they dislike him? Specifics.

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Me July 27, 2013 at 7:44 pm

I expect this has to do with the intense dislike for the rector hired one year ago. Current and former members received a three-page survey recently by a group calling themselves the “St. Mary’s Mutual Ministry” that made it very clear that they are looking to get rid of the man.

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Alphonso July 29, 2013 at 9:28 pm

Why do they dislike him? Specifics.

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Going to hell in a hand basket July 27, 2013 at 8:14 pm

As a member of the parish this is just the tip of the iceberg. There are so many other issues going on within the church as well. It’s saddening to see people cannot think for themselves and will listen to anything Steve Mungo has to say. It’s very obvious there are things that the church leadership is trying to hide. If there was was no truth to the countless rumors flying around the church then it would be very simple to hold a church wide meeting to dispel all of these rumors. But instead Steve Mungo has hastily fired back with emails to members of the church telling them to stop “gossiping”. Steve Mungo has been trying to tell members of the church that they can no longer take communion because of the “issues” that they are causing. This is a DISASTER and it is just a matter of time before both legal action and the National Church become involved in this crisis.

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Going to hell in a hand basket July 27, 2013 at 8:14 pm

As a member of the parish this is just the tip of the iceberg. There are so many other issues going on within the church as well. It’s saddening to see people cannot think for themselves and will listen to anything Steve Mungo has to say. It’s very obvious there are things that the church leadership is trying to hide. If there was was no truth to the countless rumors flying around the church then it would be very simple to hold a church wide meeting to dispel all of these rumors. But instead Steve Mungo has hastily fired back with emails to members of the church telling them to stop “gossiping”. Steve Mungo has been trying to tell members of the church that they can no longer take communion because of the “issues” that they are causing. This is a DISASTER and it is just a matter of time before both legal action and the National Church become involved in this crisis.

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9" July 28, 2013 at 9:22 am

That ugly fucking church looks like it was built by Mungo,who ruin neighborhoods with their cheap, poorly built homes,You’d be better off buying a double-wide.

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junior justice July 28, 2013 at 10:41 am

Try to find out where Mungo got some of his “financing” several years ago to build his “little towns in a town” – good luck with that!

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heels1785 July 31, 2013 at 11:22 am

haha

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9" July 28, 2013 at 9:22 am

That ugly fucking church looks like it was built by Mungo,who ruin neighborhoods with their cheap, poorly built homes,You’d be better off buying a double-wide.

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junior justice July 28, 2013 at 10:41 am

Try to find out where Mungo got some of his “financing” several years ago to build his “little towns in a town” – good luck with that!

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heels1785 July 31, 2013 at 11:22 am

haha

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Elfego July 28, 2013 at 5:50 pm

I think this is just something like one of Obama’s phony scandals. Designed to take the eyes off the Lexington County Ring.

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Elfego July 28, 2013 at 5:50 pm

I think this is just something like one of Obama’s phony scandals. Designed to take the eyes off the Lexington County Ring.

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9" July 29, 2013 at 7:57 am

God created man,but man created religion,so it’s bound to be fucked up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRrK2BlhdEA

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9" July 29, 2013 at 7:57 am

God created man,but man created religion,so it’s bound to be fucked up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRrK2BlhdEA

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Gail July 29, 2013 at 3:49 pm

If you are not a MEMBER of St. Mary’s congregation, then you should keep your comments and your mouth shut about what is going on there. And to get on an online chat and use the type of language that is coming up in the comments is appalling. You can bet the people using the f* bomb could care less and are just stirring the pot. And for the rest of the congregation who is against Father Phil, shut the hell up until you know the facts about anything that has been said about him or his family.

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? July 29, 2013 at 3:51 pm

I feel a tremendous amount of christian love here.

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Finius Nullis July 29, 2013 at 10:56 pm

The DEVIL made her post that — and such language!

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Town Crier July 29, 2013 at 4:51 pm

I think you just let the cat out of the bag there, Gail. Stay pissed and keep posting so we can get the rest of the story.

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9" July 30, 2013 at 1:51 pm

How big is Father Feels fucking dick,bitch? Is he hairy?

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Attack Dog August 1, 2013 at 12:15 pm

Fr. Phil is a happily married family man as is this Gail you are berating..you want to come at someone try me….I am bigger meaner and I just don’t give a damn about you or your feelings. Leave my friends and family alone on this board and send all that hate toward the Attack Dog…I will chew it up and spit it right back at you. Allegations are false, there is no theft, you are a nimrod, if anyone had done a shred of journalistic legwork they would have NEVER posted such libel and slanderous material that will get them sues at some point. Who’s next, this dog is hungry???

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TontoBubbaGoldstein August 1, 2013 at 10:11 pm

…you are a nimrod,..

What are YOU, some sort of anti-hunting nut?

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Gail July 29, 2013 at 3:49 pm

If you are not a MEMBER of St. Mary’s congregation, then you should keep your comments and your mouth shut about what is going on there. And to get on an online chat and use the type of language that is coming up in the comments is appalling. You can bet the people using the f* bomb could care less and are just stirring the pot. And for the rest of the congregation who is against Father Phil, shut the hell up until you know the facts about anything that has been said about him or his family.

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? July 29, 2013 at 3:51 pm

I feel a tremendous amount of christian love here.

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Finius Nullis July 29, 2013 at 10:56 pm

The DEVIL made her post that — and such language!

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Town Crier July 29, 2013 at 4:51 pm

I think you just let the cat out of the bag there, Gail. Stay pissed and keep posting so we can get the rest of the story.

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9" July 30, 2013 at 1:51 pm

How big is Father Feels fucking dick,bitch? Is he hairy?

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Attack Dog August 1, 2013 at 12:15 pm

Fr. Phil is a happily married family Christian, as is Gail whom you are berating..you want to come at someone try me….I am bigger meaner and I just don’t give a damn about you or your feelings. Leave my friends and family alone on this board and send all that hate toward the Attack Dog…I will chew it up and spit it right back at you. Allegations are false, there is no theft, you are a nimrod, if anyone had done a shred of journalistic legwork they would have NEVER posted such libel and slanderous material that will get them sues at some point. Who’s next, this dog is hungry??? P.S. anyone who claims to have “Hell,I’ve fucked three Baptist ministers in the last five years.Greedy butts.
Ministers love getting fucked. Done Methodist, Baptist, Jewish, Episcopal, but no Catholic yet.” should you really be the one to be posting on a story about church abuse stories?? Now go sit in your corner and play with your dolls.

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TontoBubbaGoldstein August 1, 2013 at 10:11 pm

…you are a nimrod,..

What are YOU, some sort of anti-hunting nut?

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gail July 29, 2013 at 4:03 pm

You can tell the Devil is alive and well and working amongst the people of St. Mary’s Church to destroy everything that the Church is trying to do for the community. What a shame that the people who have started these vicious rumors can’t see that the Devil is at hand in these matters of the parish. He will try to destroy the church and the people associated with God in any way that He can. People of St. Mary’s Church must put a stop to the evil that has taken possession of the few who are trying to divide this wonderful church. May God have mercy on you for what you are doing to this congregation.

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Jesus loves me July 29, 2013 at 4:14 pm Reply
Soft Sigh from Hell July 29, 2013 at 7:31 pm

“You can tell the Devil is alive and well and working amongst the people of St. Mary’s Church”
Gimme dat ol’ time religion . . .
We just don’t hear enough about satanic influences any more.

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gail July 29, 2013 at 4:03 pm

You can tell the Devil is alive and well and working amongst the people of St. Mary’s Church to destroy everything that the Church is trying to do for the community. What a shame that the people who have started these vicious rumors can’t see that the Devil is at hand in these matters of the parish. He will try to destroy the church and the people associated with God in any way that He can. People of St. Mary’s Church must put a stop to the evil that has taken possession of the few who are trying to divide this wonderful church. May God have mercy on you for what you are doing to this congregation.

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Jesus loves me July 29, 2013 at 4:14 pm Reply
Soft Sigh from Hell July 29, 2013 at 7:31 pm

“You can tell the Devil is alive and well and working amongst the people of St. Mary’s Church”
Gimme dat ol’ time religion . . .
We just don’t hear enough about satanic influences any more.

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heels1785 July 31, 2013 at 11:25 am

Waldo’s had a really rocky start, this coming after he strong-armed Phil Linder out of Trinity and the fallout that followed. Red flags galore.

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heels1785 July 31, 2013 at 11:25 am

Waldo’s had a really rocky start, this coming after he strong-armed Phil Linder out of Trinity and the fallout that followed. Red flags galore.

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Soft Sigh from Hell August 3, 2013 at 4:50 pm

So what happened at the Thursday conclave?
Did the Devil show up to work the crowd, as suspected?
Was anyone burnt at the stake?
(I would have asked, “Was anyone stoned or surrounded with flaming faggots,” but I know that this crowd would totally misunderstand, some on purpose.)

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Soft Sigh from Hell August 3, 2013 at 4:50 pm

So what happened at the Thursday conclave?
Did the Devil show up to work the crowd, as suspected?
Was anyone burnt at the stake?
(I would have asked, “Was anyone stoned or surrounded with flaming faggots,” but I know that this crowd would totally misunderstand, some on purpose.)

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