It’s official: The Charleston School of Law (CSOL) has imploded.
Five days before its students were scheduled to take the 2013 bar exam – and ten days after a critical transfer deadline elapsed – the school has pulled the ultimate shocker, announcing a “management agreement” with a shady company specializing in the creation of what critics call “diploma mills.”
“If I even pass the bar – I now a have a degree from DeVry University,” one livid law school student told FITS.
Meanwhile a prominent legal blog – Above The Law – wrote that CSOL students “woke up this morning feeling a bit like exotic dancers who just found out that their strip joint was being sold to a whorehouse.”
The surprise decision – news of which broke exclusively on FITS – is being described as a “coup d’etat” on the part of the school’s founders, one undertaken without the knowledge or consent of alumni, faculty, staff or students.
“All of this was very planned,” one source says of CSOL’s deal with InfiLaw, a company which runs three other high-cost, low-outcome law schools across the country.
FITS has spoken with at least four students who have withdrawn their acceptance at the school – while three other students tell FITS they have spoken with attorneys about their options in the wake of CSOL’s “deliberate deception.” Same goes for members of CSOL’s alumi association and faculty – two groups which also appear to have been deliberately misled regarding the negotiations between the school and InfiLaw.
“We were told it was a consulting agreement,” one faculty member tells FITS. “They lied to our faces.”
Several key staffers at the school – included a prominent and well-respected dean – also tell FITS they were misled.
What a shame … and what a sh*tty way to do business.
We’ve had plenty of not-so-nice things to say about CSOL in recent years. In fact, this website broke the infamous bar exam scam story six years ago – in which the S.C. Supreme Court tossed an entire section of the bar exam in an effort to artificially inflate passage rates at the school.
Having said that, the school has done much better on recent bar exams – and with a few notable exceptions appeared to be progressing toward some semblance of respectability.
Not anymore, though …
Stay tuned to FITS. We’ll let you know in the event lawsuits are filed in this case … given that everybody involved here is a lawyer (or an aspiring one), we suspect it is inevitable.
UPDATE: In the meantime, here’s an interesting blog post with some more info on InfiLaw …
UPDATE II: Here, for now, is the official response from the head of the CSOL Alumni Association …
UPDATE III: And here is an especially eager email sent out by the school’s student body president …
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CSOL has always been a diploma mill!
They learned from the Tier IV school located in Columbia.
CSOL has always been a diploma mill!
They learned from the Tier IV school located in Columbia.
People talk a lot of shit about how USC is a fourth tier law school, but it is head and shoulders above this mess. I would never hire a CSOL grad for my firm just like I would never hire somone with an online degree. Thousand of wasted dollars borrowed for a worthless degree.
USC is a 4th tier by who? There are no valid reasons for any such ranking.
Since it was the only Law school in the state that shit means absolutely nothing.
Rankings like those are absurd. Clempson only likes them because they can get some crap to make it look better.
NO validity at all !
You are correct. USC’s law school is infinitely better than Clemson’s law school.
Whoa that is a clempson zinger if I ever saw one !
How about Parks and Rec, Huh?
Better get with it or you’ll be working alone. Your kids definitely will be. All secondary education institutions will be online shortly (2 generations max?).
Brick and mortar schools, colleges, hell stores and banks will be mostly on-line in a couple of generations. As internet services like Skype evolve and mature, things like true video phones become closer to reality (ie no lag time). Once the hurdles of connectivity and costs are reduced to consumer acceptable standards, why would you need to go to a class?
Yeah. You know, I grew up in Anaheim. Disney had that shit down about 40 years ago. Booth to booth. It was a rush. :)
4th tier is a bit of an exaggeration… It’s a good law school. Rankings are misleading in ranking law schools, just like they are in the normal US News BS rankings.
CSOL is, though, a pretty pathetic school. Huge waste of money.
That dump should be sued for fraud,neg. misrepresentation, breach of K…with fraudulent intent, etc.
Sounds like a great class action suit !!!
Oh, it WILL be sued, if the papers haven’t been filed already.
Don’t waste your time filing in State Court. I will take care of my friends down there by assigning my very favorite and most loyal circuit court judges to hear the motions. I will take care of my friends again, just like I did with the bar exam changes were needed to get the school accredited. Oh. And don’t forget, Alex Sanders’ former son-in-law is the US Attorney. So sue away. We’re ready.
People talk a lot of shit about how USC is a fourth tier law school, but it is head and shoulders above this mess. I would never hire a CSOL grad for my firm just like I would never hire somone with an online degree. Thousand of wasted dollars borrowed for a worthless degree.
USC is a 4th tier by who? There are no valid reasons for any such ranking.
Since it was the only Law school in the state that shit means absolutely nothing.
Rankings like those are absurd. Clempson only likes them because they can get some crap to make it look better.
NO validity at all !
You are correct. USC’s law school is infinitely better than Clemson’s law school.
Whoa that is a clempson zinger if I ever saw one !
How about Parks and Rec, Huh?
Better get with it or you’ll be working alone. Your kids definitely will be. All secondary education institutions will be online shortly (2 generations max?).
Brick and mortar schools, colleges, hell stores and banks will be mostly on-line in a couple of generations. As internet services like Skype evolve and mature, things like true video phones become closer to reality (ie no lag time). Once the hurdles of connectivity and costs are reduced to consumer acceptable standards, why would you need to go to a class?
Yeah. You know, I grew up in Anaheim. Disney had that shit down about 40 years ago. Booth to booth. It was a rush. :)
4th tier is a bit of an exaggeration… It’s a good law school. Rankings are misleading in ranking law schools, just like they are in the normal US News BS rankings.
CSOL is, though, a pretty pathetic school. Huge waste of money.
That dump should be sued for fraud,neg. misrepresentation, breach of K…with fraudulent intent, etc.
Sounds like a great class action suit !!!
Oh, it WILL be sued, if the papers haven’t been filed already.
Don’t waste your time filing in State Court. I will take care of my friends down there by assigning my very favorite and most loyal circuit court judges to hear the motions. I will take care of my friends again, just like I did with the bar exam changes were needed to get the school accredited. Oh. And don’t forget, Alex Sanders’ former son-in-law is the US Attorney. So sue away. We’re ready.
CSOL is merely a symptom. Once Higher Ed starting acting like businesses that were basically immune from anti-trust laws, this was inevitable. Investors chase money, and student loans became an ever-broadening spigot of cash that couldn’t be defaulted on. According to Forbes, law school costs increased something like 317% from 1989-2009. If law schools sold wheat, their deans would be in jail for price-fixing.
Now a generation of lawyers is swallowed in debt, can’t buy houses, is putting of marriage and family-formation, all so schools can pad their revenues and law profs can write masturbatory law review articles no one will read. To Hell with them all.
So that’s what those law review articles are for. Good to know.
How’s this for cranial spank-lit from the latest SCLRev? “A Jurisprudence Clarified or “McLeod-ed”?: The Real Constitutional Implications of Court-Mandated Post-Secondary Educational Support.”
CSOL is merely a symptom. Once Higher Ed starting acting like businesses that were basically immune from anti-trust laws, this was inevitable. Investors chase money, and student loans became an ever-broadening spigot of cash that couldn’t be defaulted on. According to Forbes, law school costs increased something like 317% from 1989-2009. If law schools sold wheat, their deans would be in jail for price-fixing.
Now a generation of lawyers is swallowed in debt, can’t buy houses, is putting of marriage and family-formation, all so schools can pad their revenues and law profs can write masturbatory law review articles no one will read. To Hell with them all.
So that’s what those law review articles are for. Good to know.
How’s this for cranial spank-lit from the latest SCLRev? “A Jurisprudence Clarified or “McLeod-ed”?: The Real Constitutional Implications of Court-Mandated Post-Secondary Educational Support.”
CSOL is so bad that US News refused to published their rank (probably out of fear of some sort of defamation lawsuit). Say what you want about USC but (1) it’s ranked, (2) it pass rate is higher, (3) they actually turn students down where in CSOL will accept anybody who can pay or whose daddy is a lawyer, and (4) USC didn’t flood the market with shitty lawyers in the last 10 years (as a whole, because I know some shitty lawyers). This state never needed a second law school churning out an extra 200+ lawyers a year but a bunch of connected people thought they could rich and when that didn’t work out, the bailed. This state sure as hell does not need an extra 400+ lawyers a year that will not be churned out of that place.
Damn I made a lot of typos in that post. Oops. You would have thought I attended CSOL
Must be a lawyer.
OK, I think I have it now —- your ex-wife IS a lawyer!
Nah
I got all of your points. I just thought you were apologizing for being a Clemson grad.
I laughed my ass off at this. I am not, though I sounded like one.
CSOL is so bad that US News refused to published their rank (probably out of fear of some sort of defamation lawsuit). Say what you want about USC but (1) it’s ranked, (2) it pass rate is higher, (3) they actually turn students down where in CSOL will accept anybody who can pay or whose daddy is a lawyer, and (4) USC didn’t flood the market with shitty lawyers in the last 10 years (as a whole, because I know some shitty lawyers). This state never needed a second law school churning out an extra 200+ lawyers a year but a bunch of connected people thought they could rich and when that didn’t work out, the bailed. This state sure as hell does not need an extra 400+ lawyers a year that will not be churned out of that place.
Damn I made a lot of typos in that post. Oops. You would have thought I attended CSOL
Must be a lawyer.
OK, I think I have it now —- your ex-wife IS a lawyer!
Nah
I got all of your points. I just thought you were apologizing for being a Clemson grad.
I laughed my ass off at this. I am not, though I sounded like one.
“FITS has spoken with at least four students who have withdrawn their acceptance at the school”
They’ll be better off. According to the Post & Courier, tuition at the school is $38,000.00 a year. That’s $114,000.00 to get a degree from a so-so school, for a profession that is already inundated.
“FITS has spoken with at least four students who have withdrawn their acceptance at the school”
They’ll be better off. According to the Post & Courier, tuition at the school is $38,000.00 a year. That’s $114,000.00 to get a degree from a so-so school, for a profession that is already inundated.
Whoever says that South Carolina Law is 4th tier is terribly uninformed and clearly not a lawyer or law student.
USC Law is ranked #98 by US News. Admittedly it doesn’t hold a candle to an ivy league school but its a public institution housed in a badly aging building. By definition any school that is ranked is a 1st tier school.
CSOL is “rank not published” along with every other for-profit school.
God knows it’s a better bargain than CSOL.
I’m not sure, nor care, what kind of rank they have. I just checked and there is only 250 in country. My guess is that somewhere around 10 would be where the 10th to 15th percentile would end. I hate statistics. Anyone know the formula?
True. That’s not fair USCL has made leaps and bounds since it was a 3rd tier school 15 years ago.
Two years ago, USC Law was “rank not published” too. Furthermore, being ranked 98th out of 250 isn’t exactly something I’d be bragging about. It’s like some chump bragging about being in the top 40% of his class.
Whoever says that South Carolina Law is 4th tier is terribly uninformed and clearly not a lawyer or law student.
USC Law is ranked #98 by US News. Admittedly it doesn’t hold a candle to an ivy league school but its a public institution housed in a badly aging building. By definition any school that is ranked is a 1st tier school.
CSOL is “rank not published” along with every other for-profit school.
God knows it’s a better bargain than CSOL.
I’m not sure, nor care, what kind of rank they have. I just checked and there is only 250 in country. My guess is that somewhere around 10 would be where the 10th to 15th percentile would end. I hate statistics. Anyone know the formula?
True. That’s not fair USCL has made leaps and bounds since it was a 3rd tier school 15 years ago.
Two years ago, USC Law was “rank not published” too. Furthermore, being ranked 98th out of 250 isn’t exactly something I’d be bragging about. It’s like some chump bragging about being in the top 40% of his class.
Why did Alex Sanders resign, Fits? Surely some of your special anonymous sources can give you the scoop.
Why did Alex Sanders resign, Fits? Surely some of your special anonymous sources can give you the scoop.
Your “free market” at work. Nothing is more imporatant than ROI. Not loyalty. Not compassion. Not honesty. Nothing.
But where is the ROI if you have to go to THE school. That’s not ROI, that’s crony capitolism
Yeah, ain’t capitalism a bitch…commrade
Let me tell ya bro, my brother unfortunately works for one of these “lead generation” internet houses that feed “higher” education leads to both “for profit” and “not for profit”(which really isn’t the case, but I digress) schools.
The whole model and profit structure is sooooo far from the “free market” you have no idea.
If you simply pull the gov’t guarantees and the whole system falls like a house of cards…and falls bad….massive debts & defaults wipes the whole industry and takes down a ton of schools with it.
It would be a great, cathartic thing if it happened. It probably will happen some day…but make no mistake that the benefactors(schools/admin, professors, and associated industries) of the massive crony capitalism going on all have one entity to thank for the gravy train-gov’t.
Your “free market” at work. Nothing is more imporatant than ROI. Not loyalty. Not compassion. Not honesty. Nothing.
But where is the ROI if you have to go to THE school. That’s not ROI, that’s crony capitolism
Yeah, ain’t capitalism a bitch…commrade
Let me tell ya bro, my brother unfortunately works for one of these “lead generation” internet houses that feed “higher” education leads to both “for profit” and “not for profit”(which really isn’t the case, but I digress) schools.
The whole model and profit structure is sooooo far from the “free market” you have no idea.
If you simply pull the gov’t guarantees and the whole system falls like a house of cards…and falls bad….massive debts & defaults wipes the whole industry and takes down a ton of schools with it.
It would be a great, cathartic thing if it happened. It probably will happen some day…but make no mistake that the benefactors(schools/admin, professors, and associated industries) of the massive crony capitalism going on all have one entity to thank for the gravy train-gov’t.
With less 50% of law school grads actually finding jobs in the legal field, these “students” should be worrying more about employment than what management company runs their fourth tier law school.
With less 50% of law school grads actually finding jobs in the legal field, these “students” should be worrying more about employment than what management company runs their fourth tier law school.
If you want to practice law in South Carolina, go to USC Law. It’s as simple as that. It’s been around for a very long time, and it’s a terrific law school that’s housed in an ugly building. I feel really bad for all those students who paid all that money to go to Charleston School of Law and thought that they were getting a comparable degree.
If you want to practice law in South Carolina, go to USC Law. It’s as simple as that. It’s been around for a very long time, and it’s a terrific law school that’s housed in an ugly building. I feel really bad for all those students who paid all that money to go to Charleston School of Law and thought that they were getting a comparable degree.
Not really sure why this has become a USC vs. CSOL debate. I know that most USC grads know a CSOL attorney or two that are reputable and worthy of their degree. It’s not fair to say otherwise. Of course there are plenty of people who should not have but that’s the case with USC also. I know a ton of DB’s that had daddy pay $$$ to weasel their way in.
And didn’t we all have to pass the same bar exam? Just sayin….
The top 20 (30?, 40?) students graduating CSOL are probably reputable and worthy of their degree. Of course, they could have just gotten in at some other law school and then come back and still practiced (or transferred in to USC) without the need for another law school in the state. However, we are now stuck with 150 (200?) of them every year proliferating the market looking for jobs that don’t exist. I guess there is a percentage of them that go back and practice with a member of their family, as there seem to be a lot of lawyers kids who get and go there. What is truly sad is the people that choose CSOL over USC because they love Charleston, thus incurring twice the debt with half the reputation (less than half now).
Anthony, is that you?
“What is truly sad is the people that choose CSOL over USC because they love Charleston, thus incurring twice the debt with half the reputation (less than half now).”
There can’t be that many people would voluntarily go to CSOL if they were also accepted at USC.
I have known probably 10-12 over the last 3-4 years. Not a lot, but still….
Not really sure why this has become a USC vs. CSOL debate. I know that most USC grads know a CSOL attorney or two that are reputable and worthy of their degree. It’s not fair to say otherwise. Of course there are plenty of people who should not have but that’s the case with USC also. I know a ton of DB’s that had daddy pay $$$ to weasel their way in.
And didn’t we all have to pass the same bar exam? Just sayin….
The top 20 (30?, 40?) students graduating CSOL are probably reputable and worthy of their degree. Of course, they could have just gotten in at some other law school and then come back and still practiced (or transferred in to USC) without the need for another law school in the state. However, we are now stuck with 150 (200?) of them every year proliferating the market looking for jobs that don’t exist. I guess there is a percentage of them that go back and practice with a member of their family, as there seem to be a lot of lawyers kids who get and go there. What is truly sad is the people that choose CSOL over USC because they love Charleston, thus incurring twice the debt with half the reputation (less than half now).
Anthony, is that you?
“What is truly sad is the people that choose CSOL over USC because they love Charleston, thus incurring twice the debt with half the reputation (less than half now).”
There can’t be that many people would voluntarily go to CSOL if they were also accepted at USC.
I have known probably 10-12 over the last 3-4 years. Not a lot, but still….
Lawyers screwing lawyers!!!!!!! Ha ha ha ha haha ahahha ass puckering ha ha ha oops peed a little ha ha ha ha ha fucking ha!
Law school grad seeking attorneys advice about options!!!! Haa ha aha ahahhha haa ha ha haa ha ha ha fucking ha ha ha ha ha shit in pants ha de hardy fucking har ha ha
Ha!
Technically speaking, it’s a bit more like grown fish eating their own guppies…but I agree, somewhat humorous none the less. Unless you happen to be the guppy.
Lawyers screwing lawyers!!!!!!! Ha ha ha ha haha ahahha ass puckering ha ha ha oops peed a little ha ha ha ha ha fucking ha!
Law school grad seeking attorneys advice about options!!!! Haa ha aha ahahhha haa ha ha haa ha ha ha fucking ha ha ha ha ha shit in pants ha de hardy fucking har ha ha
Ha!
Technically speaking, it’s a bit more like grown fish eating their own guppies…but I agree, somewhat humorous none the less. Unless you happen to be the guppy.
i know one fat cunt lawyer in Charleston who went to a shitty law school in Michigan and has has like 8 or 9 jobs is 6 years. They are working his ass out the door while he is still unpacking. The other night he was sitting in a well-know bar on the peninsula bad-mouthing Jean Toal, so drunk that everyone in the place could hear him. It was a pure pleasure to watch this idiot in action. Apparently word got back to his newest firm and they are twisting his nuts to get out of town. What a fucking loser this guy is. Ran out of HH twice and now this – must be the coke affliction. Maybe its diabetes acting up.. that seems to work lately.
Mr. Funido, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
What “room” are you in, and who is with you, and how many?
Yes, but there is one lawyer in town right now who is dry-heaving into a paper bag under his desk while his bosses are sitting in a conference room debating whether it will be today at 4:45 or next Friday.
Thanks Lane…
“A simple no would have sufficed”
My opinion of Duke’s Law School just took a big hit.
Don’t all good lawyers in Charleston start Fridays with Bloody Mary’s anymore. Looks like Big Daddy hit a nerve already. I knew your lazy ass would be laying around here instead of working. Perhaps you should catch the last train Iho. You’ve got a pissed off Blue Devil on your trail.
“i*** know one fat cunt lawyer in Charleston who went to a shitty law school in Michigan and has has*** like 8 or 9 jobs is*** 6 years. They are working his ass out the door while he is still unpacking. The other night he was sitting in a well-know*** bar on the peninsula bad-mouthing Jean Toal, so drunk that everyone in the place could hear him. It was a pure pleasure to watch this idiot in action. Apparently word got back to his newest firm and they are twisting his nuts to get *** out of town. What a fucking loser this guy is. Ran*** out of HH twice and now this -*** must be the coke affliction. Maybe its*** diabetes acting up..*** that seems to work lately.”
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I think I might have someone else work on a contract.
I also wonder how his firm found out about the bar bluster?
i know one fat cunt lawyer in Charleston who went to a shitty law school in Michigan and has has like 8 or 9 jobs is 6 years. They are working his ass out the door while he is still unpacking. The other night he was sitting in a well-know bar on the peninsula bad-mouthing Jean Toal, so drunk that everyone in the place could hear him. It was a pure pleasure to watch this idiot in action. Apparently word got back to his newest firm and they are twisting his nuts to get out of town. What a fucking loser this guy is. Ran out of HH twice and now this – must be the coke affliction. Maybe its diabetes acting up.. that seems to work lately.
Duke Law, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
What “room” are you in, and who is with you, and how many?
Yes, but there is one lawyer in town right now who is dry-heaving into a paper bag under his desk while his bosses are sitting in a conference room debating whether it will be today at 4:45 or next Friday.
Thanks Lane…
“A simple no would have sufficed”
My opinion of Duke’s Law School just took a big hit.
Don’t all good lawyers in Charleston start Fridays with Bloody Mary’s anymore. Looks like Big Daddy hit a nerve already. I knew your lazy ass would be laying around here instead of working. Perhaps you should catch the last train Iho. You’ve got a pissed off Blue Devil on your trail.
“i*** know one fat cunt lawyer in Charleston who went to a shitty law school in Michigan and has has*** like 8 or 9 jobs is*** 6 years. They are working his ass out the door while he is still unpacking. The other night he was sitting in a well-know*** bar on the peninsula bad-mouthing Jean Toal, so drunk that everyone in the place could hear him. It was a pure pleasure to watch this idiot in action. Apparently word got back to his newest firm and they are twisting his nuts to get *** out of town. What a fucking loser this guy is. Ran*** out of HH twice and now this -*** must be the coke affliction. Maybe its*** diabetes acting up..*** that seems to work lately.”
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I think I might have someone else work on a contract.
I also wonder how his firm found out about the bar bluster?
I know more than my fair share of dumbasses that went to both USC and CSOL for law school. It seems to be more of a problem with the profession than the school.
I know more than my fair share of dumbasses that went to both USC and CSOL for law school. It seems to be more of a problem with the profession than the school.
CSOL’s nightmare continues…
http://abovethelaw.com/2013/07/i-bet-you-thought-going-to-charleston-law-was-already-rock-bottom/#more-260120
I had the same thought as the Above the Law blogger when I read that P&C story about the lady moving her whole family, kids and all, to Charleston so she can attend CSOL. Utter folly.
CSOL’s nightmare continues…
http://abovethelaw.com/2013/07/i-bet-you-thought-going-to-charleston-law-was-already-rock-bottom/#more-260120
I had the same thought as the Above the Law blogger when I read that P&C story about the lady moving her whole family, kids and all, to Charleston so she can attend CSOL. Utter folly.
Charleston Sh*t Out of Luck
Charleston Sh*t Out of Luck
It’s true that three CSOL students have spoken to attorneys about this matter, but unfortunately for the students the attorneys they spoke to are CSOL graduates and thus too fucking stupid to render legal advice of any value.
It’s true that three CSOL students have spoken to attorneys about this matter, but unfortunately for the students the attorneys they spoke to are CSOL graduates and thus too fucking stupid to render legal advice of any value.
Daniel Cooper just chocked on his own cum. Bet he got paid under the table too.
Daniel Cooper just chocked on his own cum. Bet he got paid under the table too.
Shady,shady,shady – that should be in the S.C. Slogan somewhere…
Shady,shady,shady – that should be in the S.C. Slogan somewhere…
Where will we get free labor and paralegals if CSOL closes?
Where will we get free labor and paralegals if CSOL closes?
Ka-ching! Gedney and Alex are cashing out! HAHAHAHAHA
Ka-ching! Gedney and Alex are cashing out! HAHAHAHAHA
As one who has seen a few USC attys in action, Never underestimate anyone, from USC, or Bumfuck U for that matter. Especially if they have a thick southern drawl or look like death sucking on a lifesaver.
As one who has seen a few USC attys in action, Never underestimate anyone, from USC, or Bumfuck U for that matter. Especially if they have a thick southern drawl or look like death sucking on a lifesaver.
The founders can smell the stink of a bad economy and are merely making a sound business decision. They know it’s a fixed game and but for federal subsidies they wouldn’t have even dreamed of opening up a school. You think they wanted to further the profession of law with prestige and integrity or just take advantage of cheap credit that only exists because of federal mandate? This is merely how the new “economy” works. One man’s debt is another mans asset, just need a vehicle to perpetuate the scheme. They don’t teach crony economics at law schools, nor how to recognize bubbles.
The founders can smell the stink of a bad economy and are merely making a sound business decision. They know it’s a fixed game and but for federal subsidies they wouldn’t have even dreamed of opening up a school. You think they wanted to further the profession of law with prestige and integrity or just take advantage of cheap credit that only exists because of federal mandate? This is merely how the new “economy” works. One man’s debt is another mans asset, just need a vehicle to perpetuate the scheme. They don’t teach crony economics at law schools, nor how to recognize bubbles.
The students & faculty act surprised that they’re on a low-flying, slow-flying, South Korean airline on approach to America with a rookie pilot at the wheel. They should look at the tickets they purchased.
The students & faculty act surprised that they’re on a low-flying, slow-flying, South Korean airline on approach to America with a rookie pilot at the wheel. They should look at the tickets they purchased.
Its a turd. Close it.
Its a turd. Close it.
Wouldn’t a law degree, or even just coursework, be valuable in a number of other responsible jobs? I realize that a law degree usually (always?) is a graduate degree obtained after a bachelors degree, but many other disciplines feed occupations outside their own even at the graduate degree level. Most persons with biology or chemistry or English or anthropology, and many other disciplines do not work specifically or centrally in their fields of graduation (though more with masters+ degrees would). I know of MDs and Ph.D.-Medicine or Pharmacy who work in investing, for example, judging new medically-related technologies and companies rather than patients. Does the law profession consider a similar refocusing as “failure?” Does percentage of graduates obtaining jobs in law completely trump percentage gaining good jobs? Engineering, say, would lean more toward the former, biology more toward the latter.
Wouldn’t a law degree, or even just coursework, be valuable in a number of other responsible jobs? I realize that a law degree usually (always?) is a graduate degree obtained after a bachelors degree, but many other disciplines feed occupations outside their own even at the graduate degree level. Most persons with biology or chemistry or English or anthropology, and many other disciplines do not work specifically or centrally in their fields of graduation (though more with masters+ degrees would). I know of MDs and Ph.D.-Medicine or Pharmacy who work in investing, for example, judging new medically-related technologies and companies rather than patients. Does the law profession consider a similar refocusing as “failure?” Does percentage of graduates obtaining jobs in law completely trump percentage gaining good jobs? Engineering, say, would lean more toward the former, biology more toward the latter.
In most cases, a law degree is about as useful as a savings account for a Democrat. There are about 17 good lawyers in this state, eighteen, if you’re still counting our esteemed former ambassador. Fourteen of them are practicing privately. They are good, because they are brilliant thinkers and good stage performers, not because they were brilliant or even good students. Passing the bar and performance in court is what is important, not a JD, which in most cases is a joke, even at Harvard. I wish we could go back to simply “reading” for the bar. We would have better lawyers, if not fewer.
In most cases, a law degree is about as useful as a savings account for a Democrat. There are about 17 good lawyers in this state, eighteen, if you’re still counting our esteemed former ambassador. Fourteen of them are practicing privately. They are good, because they are brilliant thinkers and good stage performers, not because they were brilliant or even good students. Passing the bar and performance in court is what is important, not a JD, which in most cases is a joke, even at Harvard. I wish we could go back to simply “reading” for the bar. We would have better lawyers, if not fewer.
You want fries with that?
You want fries with that?
Ha ha. Quit teasing. No way there is really a law school in charleston. It’s just a joke right?
Ha ha. Quit teasing. No way there is really a law school in charleston. It’s just a joke right?
This pretty much says it all:
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=210775
This pretty much says it all:
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=210775
OK. I got my taxidermy degree doing home correspondence study. Does that make me less of a stuffer than someone who attended a top tier taxidermy institution? My fish and my ducks will stand up next to anybody’s work. I’ll be honest, I’m still not quite there with the deer head mounts. My last one looked like it had a goiter. Its neck was bigger than an Alabama lineman. If you apply yourself you can make a name for yourself in any field. In fact, I am outstanding in my field. I am currently a taxidermy lobbyist and hopefully we will get Clemson to offer an undergraduate degree in artistic wildlife preservation. Its a natural fit.
OK. I got my taxidermy degree doing home correspondence study. Does that make me less of a stuffer than someone who attended a top tier taxidermy institution? My fish and my ducks will stand up next to anybody’s work. I’ll be honest, I’m still not quite there with the deer head mounts. My last one looked like it had a goiter. Its neck was bigger than an Alabama lineman. If you apply yourself you can make a name for yourself in any field. In fact, I am outstanding in my field. I am currently a taxidermy lobbyist and hopefully we will get Clemson to offer an undergraduate degree in artistic wildlife preservation. Its a natural fit.
Let me describe with just one phrase what life is like after graduating from an Infilaw school…… CHAPTER 13 PERSONAL BANKRUPTCY.
Let me describe with just one phrase what life is like after graduating from an Infilaw school…… CHAPTER 13 PERSONAL BANKRUPTCY.