Barack Obama Drops Plan B Challenge
Last month I wrote about the battle over Plan B, detailing the struggle between the administration You must Subscribe or log in to read the rest of this content.
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Well then LazyBee. I suspect we’ll be hearing from you soon well wishing your 8 year old daughter on her first abortion.
“Mommy’s so proud. My little baby is growing up. Yeah!! ”
:P
And PieInHisFace totally misses the point about this leading to fewer abortions…
Abortion on demand is abortion on demand. I won’t begin to profess when life starts, and you’re pompous for doing so.
And you missed the point that you are relinquishing your responsibility to your children and family to the gubmint.
I would have thought that your alias would have informed you about what happens when you let the gubmint take over your life.
Plan B doesn’t cause abortions, so what are you talking about?
Yeah, your 12.
You’re terribly uninformed. This is not about “abortion on demand.” This is about preventing abortions by preventing pregnancies.
I’m quite well informed and you clearly did not read my post, therefore I will help you simpleton.
I do not profess to know when life begins. Anyone that says they know the exact moment when life begins are… well edumacated. If use gots an edumacation then use is a whole lot more books smart than me.
Hence the condition of our country today.
I read every single word of your post. The scientific consensus, even among people who are pro-life, is that life begins at conception (when an egg is fertilized by sperm). Plan B prevents fertilization/conception. Thus, it does not cause abortions.
If life began earlier than conception, then you would be guilty of ending a life every time you masturbated and spilled sperm, which I’m sure is quite often. So now you’re educated with a bit of very common scientific knowledge – or, in your words, “edumacated” – I prefer to use real words in a discussion.
This article is not about abortion – it is about contraception and sex education. There, that’s a little reading comprehension to go along with your “edumacation.” Now, kindly let the grown ups discuss this issue. If you would like to read an educated point of view that is different from mine but that is educated, I refer you to the comments by “Smirks” above.
Allright, lets get this shit straight. Plan B’s primary vector of efficacy is not that it ‘prevents fertilization’.
From Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levonorgestrel
“Levonorgestrel (or l-norgestrel or D-norgestrel) (Plan B, Next Choice, and others[1])”
“…contraceptive pill is to prevent fertilization by inhibition of ovulation”
From the Plan B website
http://www.planbonestep.com/faqs.aspx
“… It works mainly by stopping the release of an egg from the ovary.”
“… MAY (emphasis mine) also work by preventing fertilization…”
You just go ahead and keep on spouting your BS feminista MSM lines. I can read. Every other website that promotes this crap through sales or advertising (WebMD) state concisely and clearly that it MAY prevent fertilization. This drug definitely prevents implantation, thereby making it an abortifacient. More easily stated, this is abortion on demand. It’s not right that a child should die because he/she simply came into existence.
If a woman, or a husband and wife (where the wife is ill) can have her life saved by an abortion, it’s none of my business. That’s between her/them and God. Everything else is murder, plain and simple. You can’t sugar coat it any other way. Personally I know that you purposefully fail to use the brain God gave you when you choose to believe anything else. But, I guess that’s why military people die for you. So you can spout BS all day. Why don’t you go find a dead soldier to protest. Leave the thinking to those of us that have a brain.
Have a Fracked Day you commie socilista feminsit nazi whores!! :)
Regarding your offer to educate me, lets try using your real name first. Then I know whom is educating me, and if they are capable of doing so.
Plan B, and other products that contain Levonorgestrel, used for the purpose of birth control are abortifacients. There primary vector of efficacy is to prevent implantation of a fertilized egg. That’s an abortion. Plain and simple.
You’re kind of a dick.
I can totally understand this post after reading the one left on sheeple. You really are a lawyer aren’t you?
Well then LazyBee. I suspect we’ll be hearing from you soon well wishing your 8 year old daughter on her first abortion.
“Mommy’s so proud. My little baby is growing up. Yeah!! ”
:P
And PieInHisFace totally misses the point about this leading to fewer abortions…
Abortion on demand is abortion on demand. I won’t begin to profess when life starts, and you’re pompous for doing so.
And you missed the point that you are relinquishing your responsibility to your children and family to the gubmint.
I would have thought that your alias would have informed you about what happens when you let the gubmint take over your life.
Plan B doesn’t cause abortions, so what are you talking about?
Yeah, your 12.
You’re terribly uninformed. This is not about “abortion on demand.” This is about preventing abortions by preventing pregnancies.
I’m quite well informed and you clearly did not read my post, therefore I will help you simpleton.
I do not profess to know when life begins. Anyone that says they know the exact moment when life begins are… well edumacated. If use gots an edumacation then use is a whole lot more books smart than me.
Hence the condition of our country today.
I read every single word of your post. The scientific consensus, even among people who are pro-life, is that life begins at conception (when an egg is fertilized by sperm). Plan B prevents fertilization/conception. Thus, it does not cause abortions.
If life began earlier than conception, then you would be guilty of ending a life every time you masturbated and spilled sperm, which I’m sure is quite often. So now you’re educated with a bit of very common scientific knowledge – or, in your words, “edumacated” – I prefer to use real words in a discussion.
This article is not about abortion – it is about contraception and sex education. There, that’s a little reading comprehension to go along with your “edumacation.” Now, kindly let the grown ups discuss this issue. If you would like to read an educated point of view that is different from mine but that is educated, I refer you to the comments by “Smirks” above.
Allright, lets get this shit straight. Plan B’s primary vector of efficacy is not that it ‘prevents fertilization’.
From Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levonorgestrel
“Levonorgestrel (or l-norgestrel or D-norgestrel) (Plan B, Next Choice, and others[1])”
“…contraceptive pill is to prevent fertilization by inhibition of ovulation”
From the Plan B website
http://www.planbonestep.com/faqs.aspx
“… It works mainly by stopping the release of an egg from the ovary.”
“… MAY (emphasis mine) also work by preventing fertilization…”
You just go ahead and keep on spouting your BS feminista MSM lines. I can read. Every other website that promotes this crap through sales or advertising (WebMD) state concisely and clearly that it MAY prevent fertilization. This drug definitely prevents implantation, thereby making it an abortifacient. More easily stated, this is abortion on demand. It’s not right that a child should die because he/she simply came into existence.
If a woman, or a husband and wife (where the wife is ill) can have her life saved by an abortion, it’s none of my business. That’s between her/them and God. Everything else is murder, plain and simple. You can’t sugar coat it any other way. Personally I know that you purposefully fail to use the brain God gave you when you choose to believe anything else. But, I guess that’s why military people die for you. So you can spout BS all day. Why don’t you go find a dead soldier to protest. Leave the thinking to those of us that have a brain.
Have a Fracked Day you commie socilista feminsit nazi whores!! :)
Regarding your offer to educate me, lets try using your real name first. Then I know whom is educating me, and if they are capable of doing so.
Plan B, and other products that contain Levonorgestrel, used for the purpose of birth control are abortifacients. There primary vector of efficacy is to prevent implantation of a fertilized egg. That’s an abortion. Plain and simple.
You’re kind of a dick.
I can totally understand this post after reading the one left on sheeple. You really are a lawyer aren’t you?
I still say to have no age requirement has a certain tinge to it that I can’t support, due to:
1) As a minor, the parent(s)/guardian(s) are tasked with making decisions regarding your health and should at the very least be aware of your health needs or medication you are taking.
2) Plan B, when requested by someone under the age of consent, likely means that some form of sexual abuse and/or statutory rape has occurred. This is not something that should be kept secret from a parent/guardian for obvious reasons, unless the parent/guardian is the abuser or rapist, at which that should not be kept secret from the authorities for obvious reasons.
3) While the “emergency need” of Plan B does dictate that timely dispensing of the medicine is often necessary and therefore partly justifies relaxed rules, I’m concerned that a minor does not necessarily fully understand the health risks that come with Plan B (which are admittedly few and rarely serious, but still), how to properly take it (for instance, a preteen taking three Plan B’s “just to be safe”), does not properly understand that it does nothing to prevent STD’s, does not properly understand it is not a pill to take in lieu of actual birth control, etc.
I’m someone who would talk to my daughter about birth control
And when the abuser is a parent who is not willing to talk to his daughter about birth control… What would you do in that situation? Most children that age who are abuSed are abused by a parent or other close relative. I would like for this medicine to be available in those cases, as well as in cases where there is just no parent willing to discuss it.
A policy of handing out Plan B to anyone regardless of age usurps a parent’s control over a minor’s health care. Keep in mind that a minor is someone who is young enough to be deemed unfit to make certain decisions regarding health (plastic surgery, tattoos, smoking, drinking, etc.).
I feel that a parent who isn’t engaging with their child about sexual activity, regardless of whether or not they intend to purchase birth control, is being negligent. Then again, a parent that doesn’t engage with their child about drugs and alcohol, or guns, or strangers, or gangs, or anything else that could pose danger to their children, is being negligent. A lot of those have age restrictions or laws against such activities, too, and for good reason. There’s very little health risks linked to very moderate consumption of alcohol, but we still limit selling a single can of Bud Light to a 12-year-old.
If a parent/guardian is the abuser, or another family member, or the person doesn’t feel safe reporting the abuse to their parents for good reason, law enforcement should be notified instead so that they can handle it. I wouldn’t deny Plan B to a girl who was raped or was in an incestuous relationship of some kind, far from it, but I want whoever did it to be prosecuted for their acts.
If the child is taking Plan B in lieu of birth control, that’s a problem. If it is due to the fact that their parent(s)/guardian(s) won’t buy it for them, then if they are going to directly disobey their parents, they should at least take some other precautions, such as condoms or other contraceptives that do not have age limits, restrictions, ID requirements, etc. Parents should not be “obligated” to purchase birth control, and purchase of birth control doesn’t give a teen a free pass to get laid by whoever. Birth control doesn’t stop STDs and has the potential to not work, especially if used improperly.
My beef isn’t that we are handing out Plan B to minors at all, period, it is that there is no instrument to report an obvious crime, no requirement to instruct the teenager of proper use, and no notification of any sort to anyone that this person, who is not able to make decisions about their healthcare on their own, has received some sort of medicinal care.
“Should” being the operative word to most of your arguments. How do you ensure a 13 yr old raped by her father get to law enforcement in the 72 hours it will take her to possibly get pregnant, and is law enforcement going to buy emergency contraception for her? Also, yes, kids should know about other forms of contraception – that’s where sex-ed comes in, especially for the kids who aren’t getting it at home. I hope Skelton, who seems to be realistic about all this, gets his bill passed.
The emergency need for contraception doesn’t negate the emergency need to capture and prosecute a criminal. The teenager in such a circumstance should be able to get Plan B, but the pharmacist should legally be required to alert the cops.
“Should.” And I’m pretty sure a scared and abused 13 year old isn’t going to the cops to tell them her daddy rapes her. Make no mistake, I’d love for the guy to get caught, too, but I’d also like to prevent the incest baby.
But your entire argument is based on the worst case scenario. These things, abortions for these actions, just aren’t prevented, nor should they be. Illness, Rape. What about the hundreds of thousands of babies that are murdered on demand. When is that ever appropriate?
This is my concern. I agree with those who say that the best place for sex ed is in the home, but let’s get real – way too many kids live in homes where they don’t have parents like Smirks, who makes some good points. These are the kids who need the info, and yes, the morning after pill, the most. It makes me uncomfortable, sure, but I’d rather have that option available to those kids.
I still say to have no age requirement has a certain tinge to it that I can’t support, due to:
1) As a minor, the parent(s)/guardian(s) are tasked with making decisions regarding your health and should at the very least be aware of your health needs or medication you are taking.
2) Plan B, when requested by someone under the age of consent, likely means that some form of sexual abuse and/or statutory rape has occurred. This is not something that should be kept secret from a parent/guardian for obvious reasons, unless the parent/guardian is the abuser or rapist, at which that should not be kept secret from the authorities for obvious reasons.
3) While the “emergency need” of Plan B does dictate that timely dispensing of the medicine is often necessary and therefore partly justifies relaxed rules, I’m concerned that a minor does not necessarily fully understand the health risks that come with Plan B (which are admittedly few and rarely serious, but still), how to properly take it (for instance, a preteen taking three Plan B’s “just to be safe”), does not properly understand that it does nothing to prevent STD’s, does not properly understand it is not a pill to take in lieu of actual birth control, etc.
I’m someone who would talk to my daughter about birth control
And when the abuser is a parent who is not willing to talk to his daughter about birth control… What would you do in that situation? Most children that age who are abuSed are abused by a parent or other close relative. I would like for this medicine to be available in those cases, as well as in cases where there is just no parent willing to discuss it.
A policy of handing out Plan B to anyone regardless of age usurps a parent’s control over a minor’s health care. Keep in mind that a minor is someone who is young enough to be deemed unfit to make certain decisions regarding health (plastic surgery, tattoos, smoking, drinking, etc.).
I feel that a parent who isn’t engaging with their child about sexual activity, regardless of whether or not they intend to purchase birth control, is being negligent. Then again, a parent that doesn’t engage with their child about drugs and alcohol, or guns, or strangers, or gangs, or anything else that could pose danger to their children, is being negligent. A lot of those have age restrictions or laws against such activities, too, and for good reason. There’s very little health risks linked to very moderate consumption of alcohol, but we still limit selling a single can of Bud Light to a 12-year-old.
If a parent/guardian is the abuser, or another family member, or the person doesn’t feel safe reporting the abuse to their parents for good reason, law enforcement should be notified instead so that they can handle it. I wouldn’t deny Plan B to a girl who was raped or was in an incestuous relationship of some kind, far from it, but I want whoever did it to be prosecuted for their acts.
If the child is taking Plan B in lieu of birth control, that’s a problem. If it is due to the fact that their parent(s)/guardian(s) won’t buy it for them, then if they are going to directly disobey their parents, they should at least take some other precautions, such as condoms or other contraceptives that do not have age limits, restrictions, ID requirements, etc. Parents should not be “obligated” to purchase birth control, and purchase of birth control doesn’t give a teen a free pass to get laid by whoever. Birth control doesn’t stop STDs and has the potential to not work, especially if used improperly.
My beef isn’t that we are handing out Plan B to minors at all, period, it is that there is no instrument to report an obvious crime, no requirement to instruct the teenager of proper use, and no notification of any sort to anyone that this person, who is not able to make decisions about their healthcare on their own, has received some sort of medicinal care.
EDIT: Here’s an important question. The whole “pro choice” movement is that it is a woman’s body, she has the right to choose. At what point does one have the right to choose what to medically correct, alter, add, remove, etc., to their body? Parents can refuse to allow a hospital to perform treatments and surgeries on their children, sometimes with catastrophic results to the child (for which the parents are then prosecuted for usually), but we give parents this ability of choice over their own child’s choice because more often than not a parent has more sensibility and knowledge and maturity. So, answer me this: When does the “choice” become yours to do anything regarding your body? Because surely we should adapt all laws to encompass that age, right?
“Should” being the operative word to most of your arguments. How do you ensure a 13 yr old raped by her father get to law enforcement in the 72 hours it will take her to possibly get pregnant, and is law enforcement going to buy emergency contraception for her? Also, yes, kids should know about other forms of contraception – that’s where sex-ed comes in, especially for the kids who aren’t getting it at home. I hope Skelton, who seems to be realistic about all this, gets his bill passed.
The emergency need for contraception doesn’t negate the emergency need to capture and prosecute a criminal. The teenager in such a circumstance should be able to get Plan B, but the pharmacist should legally be required to alert the cops.
“Should.” And I’m pretty sure a scared and abused 13 year old isn’t going to the cops to tell them her daddy rapes her. Make no mistake, I’d love for the guy to get caught, too, but I’d also like to prevent the incest baby.
But your entire argument is based on the worst case scenario. These things, abortions for these actions, just aren’t prevented, nor should they be. Illness, Rape. What about the hundreds of thousands of babies that are murdered on demand. When is that ever appropriate?
This is my concern. I agree with those who say that the best place for sex ed is in the home, but let’s get real – way too many kids live in homes where they don’t have parents like Smirks, who makes some good points. These are the kids who need the info, and yes, the morning after pill, the most. It makes me uncomfortable, sure, but I’d rather have that option available to those kids.
At the high cost of $55 a pill,many young women who need them won’t be able to buy them.
That’s a bargain compared to a $300+ abortion or the lifetime cost of raising a child.
Not to mention the fact that girls who had the $55 before but couldn’t have access to it without a prescription (and the cost of a doctor’s visit) will be able to get it. You think a teen who needs this carries around her parents’ insurance card, which would make it cheaper?
That’s a bargain compared to a $300+ abortion or the lifetime cost of raising a child.
At the high cost of $55 a pill,many young women who need them won’t be able to buy them.
That’s a bargain compared to a $300+ abortion or the lifetime cost of raising a child.
Not to mention the fact that girls who had the $55 before but couldn’t have access to it without a prescription (and the cost of a doctor’s visit) will be able to get it. You think a teen who needs this carries around her parents’ insurance card, which would make it cheaper?
Of course, you dimwit, teens are already having sex. That’s not the worrisome part. The thing that should occur to anyone with half a brain is the inevitability that making it so easy to stop unplanned pregnancies, we will undoubtedly see a spike in sexually transmitted diseases since there will be less of an urgency to “wrap it up”.
Of course, you dimwit, teens are already having sex. That’s not the worrisome part. The thing that should occur to anyone with half a brain is the inevitability that making it so easy to stop unplanned pregnancies, we will undoubtedly see a spike in sexually transmitted diseases since there will be less of an urgency to “wrap it up”.