This week’s much-anticipated debate between Mark Sanford and Elizabeth Colbert-Busch in the topsy-turvy South Carolina first congressional district wound up being quite the dud … if you’re a supporter of free markets, anyway.
If you like crony capitalism it was no doubt an enjoyable exchange … as both candidates expressed their support for more of the same failed top-down command economic planning.
(To read our recap of the debate, click here).
Anyway … while the candidates are obviously on the same page when it comes to picking winners and losers in the economy, they differ dramatically in their outlook regarding the future of the American Republic.
Sanford – regurgitating one of his favorite new phrases – said during his closing statement of his debate that our civilization was at a “tipping point.”
Not so, Colbert-Busch maintained.
“The sky is not falling, Henny Penny,” she said during her closing statement, referring to Sanford. “Our best days are ahead of us.”
Henny Penny, of course, is an iteration of “Chicken Little” – the fear-mongering fowl of folk tale fame who attempts to convince his fellow animals that the sky is falling after an acorn lands on his head.
So … which candidate is right? Vote in our poll and post your thoughts in our comments section below …
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Hell, Sanford wishes he had a tongue in his pecker.
Hell, Sanford wishes he had a tongue in his pecker.
This poll question seems disingenuous. How about Is America likely to approach a debt tipping point? Yes or No.
Since Reinhart-Rogoff and their “tipping point” numbers that have been the basis for ALL of the GOP hysteria over the debt have been found to be the result of an Excel “error”, cherry picking data, and cooking books in general – by a grad student, no less – it’s the whole “tipping point” meme that’s disingenuous.
This poll question seems disingenuous. How about Is America likely to approach a debt tipping point? Yes or No.
Since Reinhart-Rogoff and their “tipping point” numbers that have been the basis for ALL of the GOP hysteria over the debt have been found to be the result of an Excel “error”, cherry picking data, and cooking books in general – by a grad student, no less – it’s the whole “tipping point” meme that’s disingenuous.
At the end of the day, how do you know I am lying?
A. My lips are moving.
Si no ganas, te dejaré rápido.
True dat.
At the end of the day, how do you know I am lying?
A. My lips are moving.
Si no ganas, te dejaré rápido.
True dat.
Most folks who say the growing debt crisis threatens our way of life aren’t necessarily saying that America’s best days are behind us, just that they COULD be if we’re not careful. That’s an entirely different statement.
Agreed – our best days are behind us fi we do not get the debt issues behind us – if we straighten our Congress, the Executive branch, job issues and our debt issues, we have a future.
That’s what Mark was talking about and ECB does not get it.
ECB gets the same thing I get…tell people enought times the world is coming to an end and they believe…tell them enough times that life will be great again and we have to keep hope alive and they will believe it….I’ll choose hope anyday over gloom…..Thank you ECB for that statement.
ECB believes its the governments job to provide jobs! She is a radical liberal who wants high taxes, abortion on demand and believes the 2nd amendment can be infringed!
In addition to this her payback to the unions will be to ship those jobs at Boeing to Seattle where the unions are demanding them from Pelsoi and the Democrats. Sanford will protect them when he joins the House majority.
Most folks who say the growing debt crisis threatens our way of life aren’t necessarily saying that America’s best days are behind us, just that they COULD be if we’re not careful. That’s an entirely different statement.
Agreed – our best days are behind us fi we do not get the debt issues behind us – if we straighten our Congress, the Executive branch, job issues and our debt issues, we have a future.
That’s what Mark was talking about and ECB does not get it.
ECB gets the same thing I get…tell people enought times the world is coming to an end and they believe…tell them enough times that life will be great again and we have to keep hope alive and they will believe it….I’ll choose hope anyday over gloom…..Thank you ECB for that statement.
ECB believes its the governments job to provide jobs! She is a radical liberal who wants high taxes, abortion on demand and believes the 2nd amendment can be infringed!
In addition to this her payback to the unions will be to ship those jobs at Boeing to Seattle where the unions are demanding them from Pelsoi and the Democrats. Sanford will protect them when he joins the House majority.
Who is the third candidate again? After last night it may be time to consider a new alternative.
I think it is the Green Party guy named Platt. All three candidates are debating tonight in Goose Creek at some NAACP sponsored event.
Who is the third candidate again? After last night it may be time to consider a new alternative.
I think it is the Green Party guy named Platt. All three candidates are debating tonight in Goose Creek at some NAACP sponsored event.
Was Maria there? Were his boys present? Inquiring minds want to know these critical issues.
why, none of them can vote?
Maria can vote – she is preggers with Marks baby er anchor baby!
Is she an American citizen and a resident of Dist. 1?
Pregger? Maria preggers? Is that why she was covered up so completely at the party? Thought she was just trying to look matronly. LOL
Was Maria there? Were his boys present? Inquiring minds want to know these critical issues.
why, none of them can vote?
Maria can vote – she is preggers with Marks baby er anchor baby!
Is she an American citizen and a resident of Dist. 1?
Pregger? Maria preggers? Is that why she was covered up so completely at the party? Thought she was just trying to look matronly. LOL
So let me get this right: She’s pro-choice, would not support the reppeal of the “train wreck” Obamacare, wants to restrict the 2nd amendment, is supported by unions that want to shut down Boeing’s Charleston factory moving the thousands of jobs to Democrat Oregon where they diss South Carolinian workers and would be a reliable vote for liberal Nancy Pelosi in Congress which is why they’ve given her over a million dollars.
Her supporters can spin it any way they want but she would be a disaster for the taxpayers and residents of SC-1.
The only vote is for Republican Mark Sanford.
This emotional and hysterical woman will become the mistress of our Tea Party Patriot Mark Sanford once he wins the election!
heh! heh! …… and heh!
Please enumerate how the AHCA is a disaster. It isn’t even implemented until next 2014. Apparently you have a hell of 8 Ball.
Colbert supports expanded background checks. So do 94% of Americans, including 2/3 of Republicans.
The use of “diss” – enough said.
Nancy Pelosi – flog that strawman brother. It never grows old.
Taxpayers? Well, we’re talking about the guy that had the taxpayers pick up the tab for him to fly down business class to S America with an entourage so he could get laid, right? Oh and the guy that took the state plane to birthday parties, campaign events and even to get his hair cut? This was at the same time he was furloughing state employees. What a fine steward of my tax dollars.
This is also the guy that voted against dredging the channel that’s important to the health of the district. He also voted against the bridge. Also kind of important.
Yeah, he’s your guy.
Obamacare is raising premiums 80% and as Democrat Senator from Montana Baucus who wrote the law said is a “train wreck” which must be repealed. Sanford will vote and work to repeal and ECB won’t.
The choice has never been clearer. If you like your health insurance and don’t want to pay 80% more or even worse lose it from your employer which is also likely then vote for the Republican Mark Sanford not the Pelosi stooge.
I am so sick of the God damned lies you Christianists perpetrate, I want to vomit.
What lies? Everything i’ve said is the truth ask Sen. Max Baucus who calls the Obamacare a “train wreck” even ECB has to admit its “problematic” but will do whatever Pelosi tells her to do and will not vote for repeal of this monstrous legislation that she shoved down the throats of the American people in 2009.
Continuing to lie only makes it clearer that Republicans will lie to win. See Romney “will not be dictated to by fact checkers.” Sanford is a piece of human trash!
Just a guess here John Duncan…..but I’m thinking you might be a Fox titty baby.
“Obamacare is raising premiums 80%”
Well, that sounds ominous. And sounds very authoritative. Can you provide a source for said Apocalypse? The highest I’ve seen is 32% in a study by the Society for Actuaries. It’s been passed around the conservative echo chamber as fact, but largely panned as nonsense by everyone with a passing knowledge of the law. It’s also for individual plans, not employer plans. Beside, inflation in healthcare grew by the same rate (32%) from 2005 to 2012. So this isn’t something new.
Max Baucus: ““That was interpreted as meaning I thought the bill was a train wreck. It’s not a train wreck. I was not referring to the bill. I was referring to if we don’t implement this thing correctly, then it’s going to be a train wreck.”
Well, there goes one of your reliable talking points.
And who exactly is coming for your insurance? Is it the people that flew the black helicopters during the Clinton Administration? Or is the people compiling gun confiscation lists?
Sanford is your guy. You both live in alternate realities.
WSJ this morning – good enough for you?
The Coming ObamaCare Shock
Millions of Americans will pay more for health insurance, lose their coverage, or have their hours of work cut back.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324874204578441032081716170.html
Sen. Max Baucus says the law is a “train wreck”. Only Sanford supports full repeal in this race. WAKE UP. and vote for Sanford.
No. Not least because the article says no such thing.
You asserted that the healthcare premiums will go up across the board by 80% and then link to an opinion piece in a conservative newspaper that never says anything of the sort. Yes, according to the author, premiums will go up among some groups. But your 80% percent assertion was created from whole cloth.
Max Baucus quote: “It’s not a train wreck. I was not referring to the bill. I was referring to if we don’t implement this thing correctly, then it’s going to be a train wreck.”
Beside, it’s not going to be repealed. The Dems control the Senate (and the filibuster if they lose it) and Obama has the veto that requires 67 votes in the Senate to override. Barring they rewrite the constitution, ain’t going to happen.
You should google School House Rocks. It’ll help.
Actuary groups estimate 80% increase in premiums for Ohio and Wisconsin:
http://www.washingtonguardian.com/study-health-overhaul-raise-claims-cost-32-pct-1
Sanford is the only candidate who is opposed to Obamacare and will work to undo it once the disaster unfolds.
Now is it not the time for a liberal, rookie and Pelosi Democrat.
Ah, Ohio and Wisconsin. Not across the board. And in a study widely panned. Got it. So you’re conflating two states with the entire country hoping nobody checks up on your bullshit.
You’re truly a Sanford guy. Neither of you is moored to reality and you both lie.
Or maybe you’re a software program that just repeats the same gibberish no matter the facts.
Here are three facts: First, the AHCA is not going anywhere unless they rewrite the constitution. Second, Sanford is toast. Lastly, Clinton will wipe the floor in the next presidential election with whatever chump the Republicans put up. Accept it.
Look Wes, nobody is shutting down Boeing and nobody is taking our guns.
The unions who back her and the liberals from the west coast want the jobs in Seattle. Spin it as much as you like but that’s why they’re giving her so much money. They want the expansion in Seattle not Charleston. Wake up. This will affect thousands of residents and businesses directly in Charleston and the district. Sanford will protect them as he will join the House majority.
If you want this pro-choice liberal to be your voice and to send those much needed jobs to Seattle then vote for her instead!
You’re good and have made many valid points…….you’ve convinced me to vote for ECB.
So let me get this right: She’s pro-choice, would not support the reppeal of the “train wreck” Obamacare, wants to restrict the 2nd amendment, is supported by unions that want to shut down Boeing’s Charleston factory moving the thousands of jobs to Democrat Washington state where they diss South Carolinian workers and would be a reliable vote for liberal Nancy Pelosi in Congress which is why they’ve given her over a million dollars.
Her supporters can spin it any way they want but she would be a disaster for the taxpayers and residents of SC-1.
The only vote is for Republican Mark Sanford.
This emotional and hysterical woman will become the mistress of our Tea Party Patriot Mark Sanford once he wins the election!
heh! heh! …… and heh!
Please enumerate how the AHCA is a disaster. It isn’t even implemented until next 2014. Apparently you have a hell of 8 Ball.
Colbert supports expanded background checks. So do 94% of Americans, including 2/3 of Republicans.
The use of “diss” – enough said.
Nancy Pelosi – flog that strawman brother. It never grows old.
Taxpayers? Well, we’re talking about the guy that had the taxpayers pick up the tab for him to fly down business class to S America with an entourage so he could get laid, right? Oh and the guy that took the state plane to birthday parties, campaign events and even to get his hair cut? This was at the same time he was furloughing state employees. What a fine steward of my tax dollars.
This is also the guy that voted against dredging the channel that’s important to the health of the district. He also voted against the bridge. Also kind of important.
Yeah, he’s your guy.
Obamacare is raising premiums 80% and as Democrat Senator from Montana Baucus who wrote the law said is a “train wreck” which must be repealed. Sanford will vote and work to repeal and ECB won’t.
The choice has never been clearer. If you like your health insurance and don’t want to pay 80% more or even worse lose it from your employer which is also likely then vote for the Republican Mark Sanford not the Pelosi stooge.
I am so sick of the God damned lies you Christianists perpetrate, I want to vomit.
What lies? Everything i’ve said is the truth ask Sen. Max Baucus who calls the Obamacare a “train wreck” even ECB has to admit its “problematic” but will do whatever Pelosi tells her to do and will not vote for repeal of this monstrous legislation that she shoved down the throats of the American people in 2009.
Continuing to lie only makes it clearer that Republicans will lie to win. See Romney “will not be dictated to by fact checkers.” Sanford is a piece of human trash!
Just a guess here John Duncan…..but I’m thinking you might be a Fox titty baby.
“Obamacare is raising premiums 80%”
Well, that sounds ominous. And sounds very authoritative. Can you provide a source for said Apocalypse? The highest I’ve seen is 32% in a study by the Society for Actuaries. It’s been passed around the conservative echo chamber as fact, but largely panned as nonsense by everyone with a passing knowledge of the law. It’s also for individual plans, not employer plans. Beside, inflation in healthcare grew by the same rate (32%) from 2005 to 2012. So this isn’t something new.
Max Baucus: ““That was interpreted as meaning I thought the bill was a train wreck. It’s not a train wreck. I was not referring to the bill. I was referring to if we don’t implement this thing correctly, then it’s going to be a train wreck.”
Well, there goes one of your reliable talking points.
And who exactly is coming for your insurance? Is it the people that flew the black helicopters during the Clinton Administration? Or is the people compiling gun confiscation lists?
Sanford is your guy. You both live in alternate realities.
WSJ this morning – good enough for you?
The Coming ObamaCare Shock
Millions of Americans will pay more for health insurance, lose their coverage, or have their hours of work cut back.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324874204578441032081716170.html
Sen. Max Baucus says the law is a “train wreck”. Only Sanford supports full repeal in this race. WAKE UP. and vote for Sanford.
No. Not least because the article says no such thing.
You asserted that the healthcare premiums will go up across the board by 80% and then link to an opinion piece in a conservative newspaper that never says anything of the sort. Yes, according to the author, premiums will go up among some groups. But your 80% percent assertion was created from whole cloth.
Max Baucus quote: “It’s not a train wreck. I was not referring to the bill. I was referring to if we don’t implement this thing correctly, then it’s going to be a train wreck.”
Beside, it’s not going to be repealed. The Dems control the Senate (and the filibuster if they lose it) and Obama has the veto that requires 67 votes in the Senate to override. Barring they rewrite the constitution, ain’t going to happen.
You should google School House Rocks. It’ll help.
Actuary groups estimate 80% increase in premiums for Ohio and Wisconsin:
http://www.washingtonguardian.com/study-health-overhaul-raise-claims-cost-32-pct-1
Sanford is the only candidate who is opposed to Obamacare and will work to undo it once the disaster unfolds.
Now is it not the time for a liberal, rookie and Pelosi Democrat.
Ah, Ohio and Wisconsin. Not across the board. And in a study widely panned. Got it. So you’re conflating two states with the entire country hoping nobody checks up on your bullshit.
You’re truly a Sanford guy. Neither of you is moored to reality and you both lie.
Or maybe you’re a software program that just repeats the same gibberish no matter the facts.
Here are three facts: First, the AHCA is not going anywhere unless they rewrite the constitution. Second, Sanford is toast. Lastly, Clinton will wipe the floor in the next presidential election with whatever chump the Republicans put up. Accept it.
Look Wes, nobody is shutting down Boeing and nobody is taking our guns.
The unions who back her and the liberals from the west coast want the jobs in Seattle. Spin it as much as you like but that’s why they’re giving her so much money. They want the expansion in Seattle not Charleston. Wake up. This will affect thousands of residents and businesses directly in Charleston and the district. Sanford will protect them as he will join the House majority.
If you want this pro-choice liberal to be your voice and to send those much needed jobs to Seattle then vote for her instead!
You’re good and have made many valid points…….you’ve convinced me to vote for ECB.
This was all Jenny’s Sanford’s fault, she let herself “go” and forced
Mark to outsource their martial relations to Argentina. Now Jenny is one
of the “takers” that Mitt warned us about with her excessive alimony
and so called “child support” demands! Typical lazy and unmotivated US
worker that Mark so often talks about!
And
Mark only used our Tax Dollars because he could get some hot Argentina
poontang, and any red blooded family values guy can understand that, I
understand why his hysterical and emotional opponent does not.
Further, his son put Mark in a bad situation by wanting to leave the
Superbowl party. What was Mark to do – the only place this new
technology called “Television” is available is in downtown Charleston
and Jenny’s house.
This was all Jenny’s Sanford’s fault, she let herself “go” and forced
Mark to outsource their martial relations to Argentina. Now Jenny is one
of the “takers” that Mitt warned us about with her excessive alimony
and so called “child support” demands! Typical lazy and unmotivated US
worker that Mark so often talks about!
And
Mark only used our Tax Dollars because he could get some hot Argentina
poontang, and any red blooded family values guy can understand that, I
understand why his hysterical and emotional opponent does not.
Further, his son put Mark in a bad situation by wanting to leave the
Superbowl party. What was Mark to do – the only place this new
technology called “Television” is available is in downtown Charleston
and Jenny’s house.
Mark Sanford has a Strom problem.
Definition: WHITE, REPUBLICAN POLITICIAN WHO FATHERS AFRICAN-AMERICAN CHILD OUT OF WEDLOCK? That kind of Strom problem???
Mark Sanford has a Strom problem.
Definition: WHITE, REPUBLICAN POLITICIAN WHO FATHERS AFRICAN-AMERICAN CHILD OUT OF WEDLOCK? That kind of Strom problem???
Is John Duncan Big T’s love child?
I don’t think big idio”T” has discovered the joys of sex yet.
He did at one time, when he lived near a sheep farm.
Is John Duncan Big T’s love child?
I don’t think big idio”T” has discovered the joys of sex yet.
He did at one time, when he lived near a sheep farm.
Good for her. She has defined the 21st century GOP.
The GOP is not only the party of stupid and insane, it is the party of negativism and pessimism and fear mongering and war mongering. What kinds of warped individuals vote for a lie about the past when they can choose to vote for the future?
Oh, BTW, crony capitalism = privatizing government services = GOP philosophy of corporate welfare.
Good for her. She has defined the 21st century GOP.
The GOP is not only the party of stupid and insane, it is the party of negativism and pessimism and fear mongering and war mongering. What kinds of warped individuals vote for a lie about the past when they can choose to vote for the future?
Oh, BTW, crony capitalism = privatizing government services = FITS greatest goal = GOP philosophy of corporate welfare
How long until the next election? During that time period, Sanford can do a lot of damage to fiscal conservatism. His poor example will be used as a rationale NOT to move toward austerity measures. The democratic dogs are on the hunt for easy pickings.
During that same time period, ECB will either be an independent voice as she claims or show her true colors as we suspect. Maybe before she goes she will get the Port situation squared away. This is short term stint of an election and should not be tied up with social issues, IMHO. They are just a distraction.
How long until the next election? During that time period, Sanford can do a lot of damage to fiscal conservatism. His poor example will be used as a rationale NOT to move toward austerity measures. The democratic dogs are on the hunt for easy pickings.
During that same time period, ECB will either be an independent voice as she claims or show her true colors as we suspect. Maybe before she goes she will get the Port situation squared away. This is short term stint of an election and should not be tied up with social issues, IMHO. They are just a distraction.
I ask tongue in cheek….Why isn’t he allowing his soul mate to campaign along side of him? If she is his fiancee… why keep Maria in the shadows only to have her brought out and rubbed in our face after the election? It makes her look even more like his mistress.
I ask tongue in cheek….Why isn’t he allowing his soul mate to campaign along side of him? If she is his fiancee… why keep Maria in the shadows only to have her brought out and rubbed in our face after the election? It makes her look even more like his mistress.