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Barack Obama’s Fiscal Cliff “Deal”

“BEND OVER AND TAKE IT” U.S. President Barack Obama has a deal for “Republicans” in Washington D.C. – except it’s not so much a “deal” as it is an ultimatum, one which would further cripple an economy that’s still struggling to regain its footing. Obama proposes to address the nation’s…

“BEND OVER AND TAKE IT”

U.S. President Barack Obama has a deal for “Republicans” in Washington D.C. – except it’s not so much a “deal” as it is an ultimatum, one which would further cripple an economy that’s still struggling to regain its footing.

Obama proposes to address the nation’s skyrocketing debt in a rather curious manner – by raising taxes and authorizing additional deficit spending.  Under the terms of a proposal delivered to Congressional leaders by his Treasury Secretary, Timothy Geithner, Obama is asking for $1.6 trillion in new tax hikes, $50 billion in new “stimulus” spending as well as a permanent increase in the nation’s debt ceiling.

Huh?

It’s another private sector bloodletting, in other words …

Does Obama’s plan include even a penny of spending cuts to a hopelessly bloated federal government?

Of course not … and astoundingly, even if Obama’s tax hikes are approved, the nation’s debt will still increase by more than $7.7 trillion over the coming decade.

“It’s not just a bad deal, this is really an insulting deal,” commentator Charles Krauthammer said of Obama’s proposal. “What Geithner offered … Robert E. Lee was offered easier terms at Appomattox, and he lost the Civil War.”

Why does Obama think he can get away with something like this?

That’s easy:  Because “Republicans” in the U.S. Congress have made it perfectly clear that they have absolutely no intention of holding the line against new tax increases.  In both the U.S. House and the U.S. Senate, key leaders like House Speaker John Boehner and U.S. Sen. Lindsey Graham have already caved by announcing their willingness to support “revenue enhancements” proposed by Obama.

It’s yet another unconditional betrayal of everything the GOP claims to stand for – and the latest proof that this party is no different than the very worst tax-and-spend Democrats.

So where is all of this headed?

Straight up your ass, America … straight up your ass.

There will be a “deal,” don’t get us wrong … but if you think that the GOP is in any way, shape or form going to insist on any meaningful concessions from Obama, you’re crazy (click here and here to see what we mean).

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74 comments

hawk November 30, 2012 at 10:40 am

And dont you love the Pres’s version of spending cuts – they are future cuts in spending. ie We will spend less in the furture – well DUH that’s cause in the future you will be out of the office and there wont be anymore money to spend.
The solution is simple – for every tax dollar the Pres wants raised there MUST be an immediate decrease in spending for the exact same amount. You say you want 1.6 Trill in new taxes – ok as long as there is an across the board immediate cut in spending for ALL Fed programs of 1.6 Trill. You want future cuts ok – you get future tax increase.

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Smirks November 30, 2012 at 10:50 am

That’s where the negotiations come into play. When it goes through Congress there will be a lot more cuts, including immediate ones, going through. And I seriously doubt Republicans would go for a 1-to-1 ratio on tax hikes and spending cuts. They will at least want $2-3 cut for every $1 in tax increases.

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Fiat Geld December 2, 2012 at 6:56 pm

“In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to protect savings from confiscation through inflation. There is no safe store of value. If there were, the government would have to make its holding illegal, as was done in the case of gold.

This is the shabby secret of the welfare statists’ tirades against gold. Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the confiscation of wealth. Gold stands in the way of this insidious process. It stands as a protector of property rights.”

A. Greenspan, circa 1965

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johnb November 30, 2012 at 10:42 am

It is the spending stupid.
DC crapholes are stealing from Americas workers.

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Smirks November 30, 2012 at 10:45 am

$1.6 trillion over ten years. And $50 billion is a lot less than what we piss away on corporate welfare and what we lose on loopholes abused by the wealthy.

60% of Americans want taxes to be increased on the rich.

We can’t afford the spending we have, either, which is why this needs to be coupled with spending cuts. Cuts that should go alongside most, if not all, of sequestration.

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hawk November 30, 2012 at 10:55 am

Dang Smirks I’m beginning to understand and like you…. what’s up with that! I have no problem increasing taxes on the rich as long as we decrease our spending at the exact same time!

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Jan November 30, 2012 at 10:47 am

Actually I think your analysis is partisan and flawed. Obama has made his opening bid. It is now up to Republicans to say what cuts in spending they want in exchange. But they don’t want to do that. That would require them to be specific and expose what programs they are would sacrifice to keep tax rates low on their billionaire contributors.

The bottom line is Republicans want cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, but they want Obama to make those proposals. If everyone will recall they crucified Obama in this past election for making 500 million dollars in cuts to Medicare, event though they had proposed those same cuts themselves. From a purely political standpoint if Obama proposes cuts to these programs Republicans will use that as ammunition in the Midterm elections as they did in the last election. So if Republicans want those cuts they are going to have to be the ones to propose them.

Republicans are very concerned about a recent poll which said 60+% of independents, and 65+% of Republicans wanted no cuts to Social Security or Medicare. Thus there is a disconnect between the Republican donors and the Republican electorate.

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Smirks November 30, 2012 at 10:54 am

Republicans desperately want to put Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, ACA, and anything else that helps the working class on the table, but they’re trying to use the Democrats and have them do it for them.

It isn’t just the polls, they know how badly their “We’re not trying to ruin Medicare! Honest!” shit flopped in the election when Romney got his ass handed to him. They also probably remember Eisenhower’s words regarding the party that tries to end programs like those.

That won’t stop Boehner from thinking he’s got some kind of mandate to protect tax cuts for the rich, though.

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hawk November 30, 2012 at 10:56 am

I think across the board spending cuts – EVERY program gets hit! 1.6 trill in tax increase needs to be a 1.6 Trill Spending decrease in EVERY program. No pet programs are safe – Defense, SS, Med, Welfare, etc. ALL programs!

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Smirks November 30, 2012 at 11:55 am

The problem is, defense spending IS safe. We won’t pull out of Iraq or Afghanistan, we won’t stop investing billions in drone warfare, and we won’t stop meddling in other countries’ affairs. I fully expect at least SOME of defense spending cuts from sequestration to be undone.

I agree that most programs need to be cut, but Social Security I don’t think should be one of them. Social Security should be fixed via upping or eliminating the payroll tax cap. The biggest road block to this, other than GOP opposition, is Obama’s promise to not raise taxes on those making less than $250k because the payroll tax is capped once you pass a little over $100k in earnings.

Medicare is quite a beast, one that can only be tamed along with taming the overall beast of rising health care costs. Problem is, health care costs have been rising past the rate of inflation for the longest time. Depending on how cuts are managed, they may not be bad, but it is going to be a political football either way. Obama already sliced off $700 billion in future Medicare spending and it caused an uproar, even though Paul Ryan wanted the exact same cuts himself.

What I worry will cause this deal to not actually fix enough shit is (1) because most congressmen in both parties are bought and serve their masters, and (2) because both parties will try to play politics.

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Not Smirks November 30, 2012 at 12:01 pm

“Social Security should be fixed via upping or eliminating the payroll tax cap”

Correction – Social Security should be eliminated

Sorry.

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SCBlues November 30, 2012 at 12:43 pm

Jan –

I am shocked – yes shocked – that you would deem something that FITS reports on President Obama as “partisan and flawed”!!

That ought to be Fits News tagline (sort of like the “Fair and Balanced” of Fox “News” . . .

Fits News – Partisan and Flawed!

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Jan November 30, 2012 at 1:12 pm

Smirks corrected my earlier post I had inteneded to say 500 billion not million, but it was 700 billion. And the uproar came from Mitt Romney. So Republicans are going to have to say we want to cut Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, if they want the cuts.

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Smirks November 30, 2012 at 2:20 pm

Correction – Social Security should be eliminated

No, it shouldn’t, Frank.

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Frank Pytel December 1, 2012 at 6:45 pm

Oh Yes Smirks;

Without hesitation and post haste.

Have a Great Day!! :) There won’t be many left with the Demlicans and Republicrats in charge.

Frank Pytel

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Frank Pytel November 30, 2012 at 10:50 am

I love it. Obutthead is going to spend us into oblivion. Finally they can finish ruining the country. The libtards, boner and gramnesty along with the commies, polosi and reed are going to finish running it into the ground.

1 week before christmas the deal will be more spending and more taxes and no tax cuts.

BBBBwwwwwahahaahhaah. I’m so happy I voted for Oshitforbrains. Finally it will be over.

Acme pitchfork stock just jumped 50 points. I’m so glad I bought in. Tee Hee :)

Have a Great Day!! :) There won’t be many left with the Demlicans and Republicrats in charge.

Frank Pytel

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ludwigvonStepladder November 30, 2012 at 10:59 am

Why are all these “deals” over the past several years always done in the dead of night, shrouded in complete secrecy, during the weekends??…Never let a crisis go to waste…How Stalin.

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Frank Pytel November 30, 2012 at 11:02 am

Because if they do it on M-F all hell will break loose on the markets. After 5pm friday is the new prime time news hour.

Have a Great Day!! :) There won’t be many left with the Demlicans and Republicrats in charge.

Frank Pytel

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? November 30, 2012 at 11:05 am

It’s all theater. The deal is done. The Republicans will(have already) cave, taxes will be raised and platitudes mouthed in regards to cuts that will be against baseline growth spending(which are not cuts) or the “cuts” that will be on some far away time frame after the economy “recovers”(which it won’t) and then the distant cuts will be chipped away over time and under less scrutiny….if the dollar even has that long before the process begins.

Even if it’s not dollar destruction it’s certainly QE-Infinity.

The can will be kicked in perpituity until something nasty happens that the pols can’t control.

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Frank Pytel November 30, 2012 at 11:07 am

Your opinion simply and eloquently sums up 75 years worth of politics in These United States of America.

Have a Great Day!! :) There won’t be many left with the Demlicans and Republicrats in charge.

Frank Pytel

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Jan November 30, 2012 at 11:53 am

The negotiation is over tax cuts not tax increases. Look, during the Bush Administration Republicans pushed through a law which gave the wealthiest Americans major tax cuts through the year 2010. That year was picked because all projections showed we could not sustain those cuts for longer than that without running up significant deficits. So under the budgeting rules we were operating under at the time the tax cuts had to be allowed to sunset. Bush was spending the Clinton surplus on tax cuts for the wealthy.

Well along came the wars and the great recession and we spent the surplus on that plus more, but kept the tax cuts for the wealthy. Then comes 2010. Because we are in the middle of a crisis, Obama caved to Republican demands to keep the tax cuts beyond their original expiration.

So now we are again at the expiration date. The current law calls for tax rates next year to be at the level they were in 1999. Thus any law congress passes will be a tax reduction bill. The only question is will we decrease taxes on those earning below 250k, everyone, or no one.

Our current law is a Republican sponsored law, passed under a Republican President. Consequently Republicans are responsible for the current tax structre. Democrats never agreed with the tax cuts in the first place.

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Frank Pytel November 30, 2012 at 11:59 am

Jan;

Your fuzzy math does not work. This country has had debt since before the First Great Depression. Therefore this country has never had a surplus in funding because it has had debt.

If you use your credit card to buy something, you do not have a surplus of funds until you have completely paid of your credit card and all of your other bills.

You own a business?? WTF

Have a Great Day!! :) There won’t be many left with the Demlicans and Republicrats in charge.

Frank Pytel

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Jan November 30, 2012 at 12:10 pm

Frank, we are talking about annual surplus, not an absolute surplus. The annual surplus could have been put toward debt, but Bush argued the tax cuts would produce more revenue and we could pay down more debt. Ok, so we see how that went.

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? November 30, 2012 at 12:31 pm

“The negotiation is over tax cuts not tax increases.”

lol…whatever Jan.

Taxes are going up from what everyone pays now. You can word it any way you want but it doesn’t change the fact taxes are going up from what everyone pays now.

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Not Smirks November 30, 2012 at 12:34 pm

Uh,no Jan. You might be speaking of that, but everyone living in the real world is doing math by using plus and minus, not future theft against present spending.

Have a Great Day!! :) There won’t be many left with the Demlicans and Republicrats in charge.

Frank Pytel

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Jan November 30, 2012 at 1:06 pm

“Taxes are going up from what everyone pays now. You can word it any way you want but it doesn’t change the fact taxes are going up from what everyone pays now.”

If Republicans do not agree to a tax reduction bill acceptable to Democrats that is true. And spending is going down. I can actually live with that; though I don’t think it is ideal.

I think even your arch nemesis, Paul Krugman, has agreed that going over the fiscal cliff, is not the worse thing that could happen. His analysis is it will cause an avoidable recession next year, but would ultimately lower the deficit.

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Not Smirks November 30, 2012 at 1:10 pm

Jan;

Which Demlican is calling for Tax Reduction? Not delaying or making permanent current tax rates. Tax Reduction? All I hear is more spending?

Have a Great Day!! :) There won’t be many left with the Demlicans and Republicrats in charge.

Frank Pytel

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Jan November 30, 2012 at 1:23 pm

Frank, the Democratic controlled Senate has already passed a tax reduction bill for couples making less than 250k per year. The house has rejected that bill.

As for spending cuts, Obama has identified the revenue he would like to raise. It is now up to the Republicans to identify the spending cuts they want in exchange so negotiations can begin.

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Frank Pytel November 30, 2012 at 1:27 pm

Jan;

Bill please. Senate bill number please.

“As for spending cuts, Obama has identified the revenue he would like to raise”

WTF is that Jan. Since when do spending cuts (reduction in spending) equal raising revenue (Increased Taxes)?

More libtard fuzzy math.

Please note Jan, and if you answer actually answer the question.

“Which Demlican is calling for Tax Reduction? Not delaying or making permanent current tax rates. Tax Reduction?”

Have a Great Day!! :) There won’t be many left with the Demlicans and Republicrats in charge.

Frank Pytel

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Robert November 30, 2012 at 11:13 am

Everytime I hear any of them mention Social Security, I turn away. Social Security is not part of the problem. It pays for itself. The only reason it is in the red right now is because tax revenue went down due to unemployment and Obama and Congress cut tax rate 2%.

Medicare needs its 2% back also.

The extra spending is on other things in the budget and all things not in the budget.

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Frank Pytel November 30, 2012 at 11:18 am

BS. SSA is one of the biggest drains on our economy. 50% of your paycheck goes to SSA. Of that only half goes to retirees. 25% is admin and the other 25% is disabled (Alcoholics, ADD, ADHD) fee loafers.

Moron.

Have a Great Day!! :) There won’t be many left with the Demlicans and Republicrats in charge.

Frank Pytel

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Jan November 30, 2012 at 11:56 am

Frank, there is only one moron in this thread and its not Robert. It may be me, but I don’t think so.

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Not Smirks November 30, 2012 at 12:47 pm

BBBbbwwwahaahhhaahhahhahaahahahahahh

Have a Great Day!! :) There won’t be many left with the Demlicans and Republicrats in charge.

Frank Pytel

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marty November 30, 2012 at 1:16 pm

Without Social Security and Medicare, America is dead, gone and buried. The Greatest Depression imaginable.

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Not Smirks November 30, 2012 at 1:22 pm

Please marty

Enlighten us. How is returning 50% of my paycheck to me going to create a depression?

Have a Great Day!! :) There won’t be many left with the Demlicans and Republicrats in charge.

Frank Pytel

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Frank Pytel November 30, 2012 at 1:22 pm

Crapola. I gave myself away. Crapola

Have a Great Day!! :) There won’t be many left with the Demlicans and Republicrats in charge.

Frank Pytel

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Jan November 30, 2012 at 1:44 pm

Enlighten us. How is returning 50% of my paycheck to me going to create a depression.

That’s easy, without Soc Sec 50+% of people over the age of 65 will fall below the poverty line. They will be unable to afford to stay in their homes, and to pay for heating, and food. In addition without Medicare they will not be able to afford health care.

This will result in hundreds of thousands of foreclosures, Thousands of doctors offices, nursing homes and hospitals going out of business. All businesses which sell goods and services to senior citizens will suffer. Many will go bankrupt.

There will be hundreds of thousands of seniors with inadequate health care, food and housing. The states will turn to their decades old filial responsibility laws to force children to support their parents, and pay for their health, long term care and housing. Many will be unable to pay for their bills and support their parents and will be forced into bankruptcy as well.

People who are paying for their children to go to college will not longer be able to do so as they will need to pay for the support of their parents, while trying in vein to save enough to pay for their health care and housing when they are too old and too sick to work. Many colleges will shut down, many more will lay off thousands and thousands of workers. Unemployment and poverty among those under 65 will sky rocket.

Can I stop now?

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Robert November 30, 2012 at 1:53 pm

If you want to debate philosophy, fine. But be truthful that that is what you’re debating.

But if you want to debate facts, you can’t. Facts are facts and SS is self-sufficient, when not robbed.

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Frank Pytel November 30, 2012 at 1:57 pm

Jan;

In paragraph order

2. Good. Then land will become worthless and likewise rent will drop like a rock. By more people renting all of those homes that no one has taken care of will be repaired by employees that are hired to correct the mistakes of lazy people. More job creation through less taxes. What a concept.

3. When people or businesses go bankrupt the products, machinery and property they have is sold at AUCTION. You can buy amazing things at auction dirt cheap. When the buyers turn around and resell them, for half or less of there value now they will still turn a nice profit and the cost of goods and services have fallen through the floor. As for the doctors and nurses, now they still have to make a living. There will be less demand for their services which will result in, you guessed it, lower prices. Again, more job creation and this time cheaper products and services through less taxation. What a concept.

4. Please site your reference to filial laws. Never seen these. Not doubting, but if you can’t prove it I don’t believe it. Jan will baulk. Anyone else? Child welfare laws prevent child labor in this country. Or maybe you didn’t here of the Atlanta police chief wanting to arrest kids for selling lemon aid??

5. Same bullshit

As I read your paragraphs they are all saying the same thing over and over. That was very easily proven to be incorrect. Please provide more facts and less emotional attachement. “Unemployment, Poverty, Bankruptcy, ad infinitem”

There are zero facts in your arguement. Please do go on. With this line of thought you couldn’t prove a wet paper bag, was a bag.

Please do continue.

Have a Great Day!! :) There won’t be many left with the Demlicans and Republicrats in charge.

Frank Pytel

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Frank Pytel November 30, 2012 at 2:03 pm

Robert;

No it’s not self sufficient. The number of people paying in must match or exceed the number that is being paid out. The number of people paying into SS has been declining for 20 years.

Have a Great Day!! :) There won’t be many left with the Demlicans and Republicrats in charge.

Frank Pytel

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Jan November 30, 2012 at 2:48 pm

See:

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/health/NOA/30states.pdf

What you are describing is what happens in a depression.

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Robert December 1, 2012 at 3:45 pm

The number paying into SS has declined for the last 10 years????? Listen, every person that earns a LEGAL paycheck is required to pay SS and Medicare, as well as their employer.

You’re telling me that the workforce in America is smaller now than 10 years ago????

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Frank Pytel December 1, 2012 at 6:53 pm

Robert;

No sir. I’m telling you that the ratio of victims (payers) to theives (retirees and disabled [Alcoholics, ADD, ADHD, Autism) has changed. The number of thieves has increased relative to the number of victims. If you don’t understand ratios let me know and I’ll try to explain it.

Short explanation is stated above.

But now that I read your question, actually yes. Unemployment is also higher than it was 10 years ago. So yes, their are fewer victims from which more must be stolen to keep the theives happy.

Have a Great Day!! :) There won’t be many left with the Demlicans and Republicrats in charge.

Frank Pytel

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Robert December 2, 2012 at 6:22 pm

The rate of contributors to recipients is nearly 3 to 1. As of 2010, Social Security still had a surplus.

Don’t know what rag you get your “facts” from, but they are far from facts.

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BradWarthenSucks November 30, 2012 at 11:23 am

In other news, Obama heads out for his 21 day, $4 million dollar Hawaiian vacation. As usual, Michelle and her extended family will likely fly out on another flight.

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lance November 30, 2012 at 11:49 am

Will he have Larry Sinclair or Mr. Reggie Love with him as his “personal” assistant on this vacation?

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mph November 30, 2012 at 11:59 am

Yesterday, Limbaugh lamented, with much pain in his voice, that the economy was about to take off. And, sniffle, Obama would get the credit.

You poor bastards. The deficit will start to drop. People will be back to work. People will go off gov’t assistance.

We’ll finally be out of Trashcanistan.

What will you have to piss and moan about next?

I guess y’all will start calling it the “Bush Recovery.”

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lance November 30, 2012 at 3:00 pm

Weren’t we promised by Obama 6% unemployment if we passed the First Stimulus?

Promises. Promises.

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Stephan November 30, 2012 at 12:19 pm

“Robert E. Lee was offered easier terms at Appomattox, and he lost the Civil War” – and see what that got us.

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SCBlues November 30, 2012 at 12:44 pm

FITS News – Partisan and Flawed!!

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hawk November 30, 2012 at 1:43 pm

I think the one question that I have not seen answered is – WTH is he gonna do with more revenue??? Unfortunately I think the new tax money is simply going to get spent and we acrue more debt.
They need to agree not to spend a penny of this “Additional revenue” until the debt is under “X”.

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Jan November 30, 2012 at 1:52 pm

Obama has asked for 1.6 trillion, he has proposed to spend 50 billion of that on infrastructure construction. That leaves 1.55 trillion to apply elsewhere. That would be added to any agreed upon spending cuts proposed by Republicans, which have yet to propose.

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Jan November 30, 2012 at 1:53 pm

Excuse me. Which they have yet to propose.

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Frank Pytel November 30, 2012 at 2:01 pm

Jan;

We spend 1/2 trillion a year on debt payment. The remaining 1 trillion doesn’t even cover proposed expsnes.

Have a Great Day!! :) There won’t be many left with the Demlicans and Republicrats in charge.

Frank Pytel

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Jan November 30, 2012 at 2:37 pm

Frank,

Spending cuts have not even been discussed yet, because the Republicans have not offerd any.

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hawk November 30, 2012 at 3:54 pm

Jan – Why do the Repubs have to offer Spending Cuts. Unless what you are saying is the Dems ONLY are responsible for taxing us all.
Nope BOTH parties need to come to the table with CUTS AND REVENUE ideas THEN there can be compromise.
Its as much the Dems responsibility to propose spending cuts as it is the Repubs to agree to increase in taxes.
Dollar for dollar – immediate spending cuts across the board and NO spending increases. You want 1.6 Tril in new tax revenue (when during the campaign you only asked for 800b) then there must be immediate 1.6 Tril spending cuts. None of this tax me now cut spending later.
And I noticed the Dems never answered the question. “Spend 50bil now of the new revenue” – Nope NO spending any of the new revenue. IT all goes to pay down the debt.
I could just as easily say spending cuts havent been discussed yetm because the Dems havent offered any. Finger pointing got us exactly where we are. The ONLY way to get us out of this is a deal BOTH sides hate. Increase taxes without the possibility of spending the revenue AND decrease spending immediately without the possibility of increasing the spending later.

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Jan November 30, 2012 at 4:20 pm

That’s easy. Because Republicans have made it clear the only spending cuts they are interest in are cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, but they don’t want to be tagged with those cuts by the voting public. How many times have we heard them say any agreement must have “entitlement reform”. Reform to them means cuts, but they do not want to say that.

I agree both sides need to come up with cuts, but so far Republicans have been unwilling to offer any specifics. They want the other side to take the political heat on everything.

If Republicans had not used Obama’s proposed Medicare cuts to attack him in the election, it would be much easier to discuss those cuts now. As it is I think it is politically foolish for Obama to offer cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and Soc. Sec. Republicans should have to identify those cuts as their priority.

If they do, I think Obama should respond with proposed cuts of his own, like oil subsidies, defense cuts, etc.

By the way I am not necessarily opposed to just letting sequestration go forward.

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Jan November 30, 2012 at 3:00 pm

Frank, go to google and type in “filial responsibility states.”

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Frank Pytel December 1, 2012 at 7:08 pm

Ok. I’m not reasearching all that BS. I checked a couple and it said you have to feed them. It didn’t say anything about housing them ‘on the lake in their current 5000 sf residence in a life style they currently enjoy.’

So I’ll buy my mom 50 dollars worth of groceries a week. After she sells her 5000 sf house on the lake, her 2nd car, and all the stocks and bonds she owns. Her 4th husband isn’t blood. He can go to his kids for help, though I suspect the 50 dollars would feed them better than I’m allowed to feed myself in my current situation.

Besides, SC is not a filial state. The others have decided this is states rights. More power to them. If they don’t like that states laws, move to SC or any one of the other 20+ states that don’t have filial laws.

Have a Great Day!! :) There won’t be many left with the Demlicans and Republicrats in charge.

Frank Pytel

PS. Common Jan. At least make these little bleeding heart liberal tirades of yours somewhat challenging. Tisk Tisk.

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I Like Ike! November 30, 2012 at 4:10 pm

Obama isn’t raising taxes on the rich near enough.

Marginal rate Needs to be 70% like it was back in the Republican administration of Dwight D. Eisenhower!

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? December 1, 2012 at 4:18 pm

So do you know what the effective tax rates were?

Doubtful that were higher than now:

economicpolicyjournal.com/2012/12/what-top-1-really-paid-when-top-tax.html

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BigT December 1, 2012 at 6:09 am

Didn’t FITS Tell us there is NO difference between Rs and Obama…???

Stupidity, hate and Bigotry lead to Collapse…it was true for the democrat Slave-owners…it’s true of the Anti-American, Racist, Obama-voters….

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Cold Pizza December 1, 2012 at 12:18 pm

Serious?

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Frank Pytel December 1, 2012 at 7:09 pm

Unfortunately I’m rapidly coming to believe he is.

Have a Great Day!! :) There won’t be many left with the Demlicans and Republicrats in charge.

Frank Pytel

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BigT December 2, 2012 at 4:12 pm

Frank it’s STUPID F%*ks like you…who end up putting S!* like Obama back in the WH…and these Lazy, hand out-loving Elites LOVE guliiable IDIOTS like you…

The Ds have a Platform and the Rs have one…READ THEM…and watch the Rs who actually Abide by it…Support them…

Same w/ the Ds, and Work w/ all you have to Put them out…and if you EVER Vote D over R, or help the Ds in any way (like Frank)…you need your Ignorant @$$ Kicked…

He’s as big a problem, w/ FITS, as the Failed Ds.

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Isotope Soap December 2, 2012 at 4:49 pm

I see I haven’t missed much this week…Same shit from he same lunatic.

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Frank Pytel December 3, 2012 at 5:56 am

T

It’s not stupid shits like me that put Obutthead in the WH. Its many people like me that have in fact read the platforms and look for those who abide by it. I looked carefully.

The only one I saw with an R that actually followed the platform was Ron Paul. It was folks like yourself that declined to vote for someone that actually followed the platform with his vote, not just espoused it with their voice.

As for having my @$$ kicked. Come get some bitch. I’ll give dollars to donuts that you’ll beat the shit out of me. But I promise you that I’ll take a Tbone and a Porterhouse out of your ass before its over bitch

email me. I’ll send you my address.

conservative for obama at gmail dot com

Have a Great Day!! :) There won’t be many left with the Demlicans and Republicrats in charge.

Frank Pytel

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BigT December 3, 2012 at 6:23 am

Frank..You Paul-Bots are just like democrats. You don’t want to (or can’t account) account for your ideas…so you just lie, or play STUPID…

Paul could not move 5% of the CRACK-POT (he supports both) Stupidity he stands for…

Check out Jim DeMint…but I bet like the rest of the Dumb@$$#$ on the left..you Hate DeMint more than you hate Christianity or decent Hetero White poeple…

Grow a BRAIN…idiot…Paul is Finished…and not many as mis-guided as him out there…

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Frank Pytel December 3, 2012 at 12:09 pm

T

I would agree. I’m somewhat on the fence with him as he has endorsed Mittenhead, but in general DeMint is close to being a conservative.

You on the other hand are not. You are a Republi-bot, to paraphrase. You come on here and scream Repuklicrat all day. I’m done with you.

As for my faith, you don’t have the moral fortitude or the authorization from God to question my Christianity. My Faith.

I am not a 9am sunday Christian son. You need to step back from that ascertion. I have always tried to be polite to you, but you have crossed the line. Your a troll. No more. I will not respond to your BS as you haven’t the guts to back it up. Its clear to me that you are just a whiny little brat, sim to the libtards, the spew whatever the MSM throws at you (with a few of your quaint symbolic curse words). Fuck You T. Fuck You and the whole that brought you forth, sir.

Have a Great Day!! :) There won’t be many left with the Demlicans and Republicrats in charge.

Frank Pytel

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This just in. . . December 2, 2012 at 2:57 pm

Boehner: Obama Needs to Stop Acting Like He Won Election

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report) -— Tensions over the so-called fiscal cliff reached a boiling point today as House Speaker John Boehner accused President Obama of acting like he won the November election.

“Our message is clear: Mr. President, we are ready to negotiate with you,” Mr. Boehner told reporters. “But this nonsense of acting like you won the election has got to stop.”

Lashing out at Mr. Obama’s “delusional arrogance,” Mr. Boehner added, “I don’t know what planet he thinks he won an election on, but this whole ‘the American people elected me’ act is getting a little old.”

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell echoed Mr. Boehner’s sentiments, stating, “The President’s budget proposal sounds like the ravings of a man who thinks he won fifty-one per cent of the popular vote and three hundred and thirty-two electoral votes. When he decides it’s finally time to return to Realityville, he knows where to find us.”

Sen. McConnell denied earlier reports that he “burst out laughing” when he heard Mr. Obama’s latest budget proposal, telling reporters, “Actually, it would be more accurate to say I peed myself.”

“That business about raising taxes on the rich was — pardon my French — freaking hilarious,” Sen. McConnell said. “I’m glad that losing the election hasn’t made the President lose his sense of humor.”

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BigT December 2, 2012 at 4:14 pm

Mr. President: Your were ELECTED to LEAD…not BLAME…

Now STFU and HEAL this EFFIN MESS your ignorant, lazy, golf-playin’ @$$ has made of my country….

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Bitch Slap December 2, 2012 at 4:33 pm

You shut the fuck, BigTits. You have no clue why your party’s shitty platform failed, so why you buggn’?

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BigT December 3, 2012 at 6:25 am

That ALWAYS GETS yall…

You’re SCARED to DEATH someone might figure out that Obama has done Nothing but EFF UP…and maybe he’ll get called on it…

What if that happens…you gone keep blaming Bush???

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Common Sense December 3, 2012 at 9:34 am

ahhh the village idiot..the guy who could fuck up picking the winner in a one horse race..the racist, ignorant redneck simpleton who screamed for a year and half about how stupid everyone was, how he guaranteed a Perry, bachman, Gingrich, Santorium and finally a Romney win..how we would all see how the tiny t picked and then told us how the election would..you mean that same ignorant asshole is still posting daily..HAHAHAHA…every site needs a village idiot, a fucking simpleton..our little Sarah palin..folks i give you our very own little T.

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